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1. “So he did. And he says, What do you think? He says, Yeah, it feels like mine. And it was just, you know, it's at the risk of it's stereotypical, maybe, but it's a truth. Hair is important to black people, and it's a very, and it was a very, it just sort of captured.”

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2. “Parents had encouraged them to think of a question they could ask the president, but the parents didn't ask what the question would be. And Jacob, who was the little boy's name, Jacob Philadelphia, five years old at the time. When it was time for his question he looked at President Obama and said I want to know if your hair feels like mine. I mean, I think my heart stopped when I heard that was the story behind this picture. And then said bent down and that's where you see him bending down so that Jacob can touch his hair and And Jacob hesitated. I mean, you know, this is not something they're very polite kids. I spent Easter Sunday with them. Very strictly raised, and he hesitated, and the president said Come on, dude, touch it.”

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3. “I found him took a while and I can't really remember how I found them, but I found them and the father had been working for the National Security Council as an aide for a stint and was now was overseas. I think he might have been posted by now in Afghanistan and that picture was taken because he was leaving the NSC to go to the foreign posting in Afghanistan. And so as you know, the president will have people who are leaving his staff. At every level can bring their family in and get their photo taken. And that's what was happening on this day. And so the parents stood off to the side and the older brother, who I think was seven at the time. And the poor”

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4. “As a symbol, I mean imagine so it really drove it home to me. So I wanted to get behind that picture and so I got this story, but it took a long time, I'll tell you that. The White House, there were people who charged some sort of Obama haters and New York Times haters who wrote to me after that story appeared suggesting that I was just like had been spoon-fed by the Obama White House to get out a story that reflects. I had to fight to give it up.”

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5. “Bowing at the waist and And to me, I didn't know the story behind the picture, but to me it's sort of captured. Something we had begun to take for granted with Barack Obama having been elected president, and that's the power of having a black man as president for a little black child. And, you know, we talked about Mary Tyler Moore, this fictional character and the impact she had on me?”

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6. “The president in the Oval Office with this little black child stayed, and it had stayed and stayed. In fact, if anything, I kicked myself I didn't get to this story sooner than And I started”

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7. “If I had to pick one story I've done in thirty eight years, that would be my favorite, and it wasn't even that in the end it was only about eight hundred words and a standard story is like eleven or twelve hundred words. What happened was, you know, I'd pass through the part of the west wing for two or three years of covering President Obama, and there is, as you know, there's under all presidents, I think going back to at least Gerald Ford, the White House photographers would put photos of recent photos of something the president had done, pictures of the president with crowds, really, you know, casual shots, and they would change Monthly or so it seemed, but they changed frequently with the latest shots from the president on the road or with foreign leaders or with constituents. And this one photo of”

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8. “Absolutely. And here I'm talking, I'm sitting across from the chief strategist here, but I still don't understand why he didn't do more of that. And maybe it is as simple as there just wasn't time and he had to prioritize his travel, but I think it would have helped.”

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9. “Even as aware as I am about the premium on a president's time and especially a president who comes to office in the midst of a crisis is he didn't go enough to those parts of the country that were suspicious or even outright opposed to him. And I think he had shown in his 2007 2008 presidential campaign initially he had gone into places that had not seen a Democratic presidential campaign.”

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10. “Yeah, and having said that there was no Mitch McConnell was not going to come around no matter how many bourbon on the rocks got poured at the White House. I do think that President Obama could have done a lot more to work the personal angle. I realize he wanted to spend have sort of a normal family life in the evenings. But I saw, you know, people like revisionist history has it that Bill Clinton did a lot of that work in Congress, and I remember covering Congress at the time how many complaints I heard from both parties that Clinton both did not do it enough and when he did have people over, he did all the talking. And I also complains from the people his aides who were his liaisons to Congress who just threw up their hands a lot. Anyway, Barack Obama could have done more. And I also think, and one thing I would have confessed to being a little personally disappointed in.”

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11. “Weeks in Destruction, you know. Absolutely. And, you know, it's funny that Obama himself seems to represent such a break from that mentality, and yet he inadvertently encouraged it by the Bringing up or, you know, inciting a hate in people and in some people that was picked up in conservative media or it was sort of a chicken and the egg which came first.”

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12. “Yeah, I think it underestimates what I'd seen as the hardening of the Republicans and their willingness to obstruct. We now know that on the night of the inaugural, about fifteen Republican leaders got together over dinner in Washington and planned to obstruct him at every turn so that by the midterm elections he would be seen as a failed president. And one thing I agree Obama likes to say that no amount of bourbon on the rocks was going to make Mitch McConnell.”

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13. “The status quo. Right. And you probably are with me that I don't find that such when people marvel that there could be people that voted for Trump. I mean, Obama in 2008 and Trump in 2016. I don't find that all that contradictory or hard to understand Really at all, but I thought, you know, That Barack Obama was so He was so rational. I hate to say cool, but steady, especially considering the crisis he inherited when he came in. I just can't say enough about how he handled himself and his presidency having come in in crisis. I think, and I also along those lines, More forgiving than a lot of people about this idea that he didn't work Congress hardly. I was asking you to ask you.”

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14. “Well, I mean clearly he was charismatic and just so different and historic I really didn't think I wasn't didn't think America was ready to elect a black president except early on I'm speaking by the time he became known to the country I really do think a lot of people saw him enough people saw him as you know without seeing color including”

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15. “You know, and when he tried to remake Social Security and sort of partially privatize it, even that policy, which of course was doomed because his Republicans wouldn't go along given its unpopularity. But the reason he went after that was a large part of it was because they thought it would appeal to Latino Americans because they were savers and would see that this would be a good way for them to benefit from investing their own money rather than just letting the government do it.”

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16. “As it turned out And Bush, I used to say he's smart in about nine or ten of the fifteen, you know, he doesn't have a lot of curiosity, he's not an intellectual, but he was, he got people better and better than a lot of Republicans did. And, you know, it's really interesting now that we've got Trump to see how different, what a different vision George W. Bush had for the Republican Party back then, because he”

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17. “And I came to say that I think there's like 15 ways. When I was a little girl growing up in Catholic schools and stuff, you felt like people were either smart or they were stupid and teachers saw it that way too. There was no spectrum almost. Your grades told which you were. But by the time I was covering politics and by then I thought, you know, president Just one or two ways of showing your smart. There's about 15 of them when it comes to politics, and Clinton was smart in about thirteen of those ways and the ways in which he wasn't smart were like self-awareness and self-control. Not insane.”

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18. “No, no, George W. Bush. He, what was striking to me, people, you know, so many people, even those who were somewhat supportive of him, would ask, is he really as stupid as he seems, or is he as stupid as people say he is? And I always thought that was just so unfair and just so wrong.”

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19. “What about George? What about George W. Bush? So let me add one other thing about Clinton, though, because I think it goes to Trump. I can tie it, is that impeachment was a lesson to me that no matter how popular a president is nationally, or if two-thirds of the country is saying they don't want, say, in this case, him to be impeached, the important thing is to look at what's happening in the members districts. And in those Republicans districts back then in the late nineties, two thirds of their constituents did want Clinton to be impeached in these very gerrymandered conservative Republican districts. I think the same is true you want to look at for Trump now in that He's got low national ratings, but the thing to watch is his popularity in those, which is quite high.”

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20. “It was his gift, but he also throughout this scandal continued to just go on and on about what he was doing for the trying to help Americans. And wages were coming up and the economy was well.”

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21. “That was underestimated. You know, that's what I was going to say, he seemed to connect. He was the real deal. I remember, I used to say to people that I met a lot of famous people in the years I was covering Congress and then started covering White House. And nine times out of 10, I don't know what your experience is, but if you meet somebody famous, whether they're from Hollywood or a foreign capital here in politics, they almost always disappoint both sort of physically and personally. Clinton does not disappoint that you felt a charisma. And it did seem, someone said if they wrote a book about him, they'd call it rope line because he was so good at working the rope line and, you know, everybody felt like... He was, you know, he'd never shaken hands with anyone else like he just That was his gift.”

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22. “Oh my God, it was, you know, because it's one of those things you never think you're going to see the impeachment of a president, you know, that was Andrew Johnson in the nineteenth century. But it was so interesting. I mean, you learned so much from these things. And, you know, Gingrich, we were talking about Newt Gingrich. It was his idea to really push this to impeachment. And our polls, Wall Street Journal, NBC polls, among others, were consistently saying that two-thirds of the country were opposed to impeaching President Clinton. So I wrote a story one time”

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23. “You know, they each had Their strength and very different strengths, and I Clinton, I came in in his second term, and so by then he was doing, you know, he had taken the training wheels off and he'd gotten re-elected and was Best of all for him the economy was doing well and we were heading towards budget surpluses. So he was riding pretty high until his self inflicted wounds of the Monica Lewinsky scandal which broke about three months after I started covering him. But as a leader I think it was sort of forced a person.”

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24. “Right. And in fact, was succeeded on the first boat in the House in bringing it down so that the Bush administration had to, and the combined Democratic and Republican leaders had to put it to a second boat. But you know what? I'll be darned if Newt Gingrich didn't turn out to be right. Once Bill Clinton was president, the Republicans took advantage of the advantage they were.”

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25. “The leader out by Michael. And push the leader out, Bob Michael eventually. And it's interesting one time Gingrich told me that if only George HW Bush, the first president Bush, Republicans would finally get their chance to be a majority, and he was like openly and his, he Alexis No, it certainly wasn't, and wasn't lost on the sun when he would come on the scene either, but by that point Mr. Gingrich was gone, but he was more or less cheering for the defeat for Bill Clinton to defeat George H.W. Bush, and in fact Gingrich did do a number of things to undercut the first President Bush. Well, Bush.”

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26. “Right. He did not come to Congress to legislate or for public service. He came to break the Democrats' long hold and argue that Democrats did have a hold on the House of Representatives for too long. It would be 40 years. And he so Gingrich was a backbencher bomb thrower, as we so often called him, and But it got to the point where the Republicans, the more traditional Republicans, were so fed up themselves by the high handed tactics of the Congressional Democratic leaders that Gingrich's way started looking better and better, and so ultimately Gingrich got a hold on the leadership ladder.”

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27. “Well, that's what I thought because there was a congressman, a Democratic congressman in Washington State named Mike Lowry. So I thought that's what this young aide was telling me about because her boss Newt Gingrich had told her to tell me this. But then she starts describing things in California and I'm realizing she's describing Congressman Bill Lowry, a Republican of Southern California. And I said to her, let me stop you. Do you know you're talking about a Republican congressman? I said, don't get me wrong. I'm all for equal opportunity dishing here. But she said, Oh, no. Let me get back to you. And of course, she never did. But that's the kind of.”

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28. “Early on he would he knew I had done a number of stories for Congressional Quarterly on ethics scrapes in Congress and people whose members of Congress who came before the Ethics Committee, so he began having his staff feed me things and he had a staff member who did nothing as far as I could tell but dig dirt on congressmen all over the country and one time I got a call about some Congressman Lowry and some problem he was having back home in a alleged scandal.”

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29. “They're impactful people there were. And if you're talking just about Congress alone, or as opposed to the White House national politics, I think Gingrich could be the single most impactful figure. And not in a good way, and I don't mind saying that because there's plenty of Republicans who agree with me. I think he coursened the debate from the time. I got to know him very early on. I came to Washington in 1984 and I worked for a publication called Congressional Quarterly, which published weekly. So I had time, I got to know people. In fact, for a year, I worked for the Atlanta Constitution as its congressional reporter and his congressional district was in suburban Atlanta.”

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30. “You know, in what will it soon be true that I've covered politics and government for forty years, and in that forty years I would consider Newt Gingrich among the most What's the word, the most significant people of the”

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31. “That's all we have to do. We, they have to do is do their job. And my worry is the economics of journalism. We still haven't figured out You know, with advertising revenues down in paper papers going out and being replaced by the internet, we haven't figured out how to Good business out of this. So I do worry that, you know, we talked about when I grew up Toledo, Ohio had two newspapers, and then I worked in Texas, I worked for the Dallas Morning News in Austin, and there were two newspapers in Dallas, and now we thought the big problem back in the day was that cities were getting down to one newspaper. Now we're worried about cities keeping the one they've got.”

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32. “Yeah, and you know, you mentioned my eight plus years at the New York Times before that I was 18 years at the Wall Street Journal in Washington, and I don't do anything, I didn't do anything different at the New York Times than I had in all those years at The Wall Street Journal or any place else, it's just reporting the facts and trying to put them in context and help people understand why their elected officials are doing what they're doing or why forces, you know, why an election turned out the way it did or whatever. And there's a, so I think people get up every day, go to bed too late, get up too early. Given his tweets trying to put report the facts, and yes, there are people who now question what the facts really are. But, you know, at present”

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33. “To be chilly. And I've gotten over the years really some nasty things. A couple of things during the years I was covering President Obama, I turned over to the Secret Service and they sort of pooped both of them because that's nothing compared to what they had seen. But with Trump, it's like it really has been threatening. But having said that, there's a part of me that wishes I hadn't sort of stepped away from the daily newspaper game because there is on the one level while there's a trepidation among reporters who are having to cover this on a daily basis. It's also energizing because this is what we get out into it for.”

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34. “It is real pressure, I've thought that some of the reporters who were embedded, for instance, with the Trump campaign for the last two years or year and a half should get combat pay or have post-election therapy for PTSD.”

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35. “People have been able to choose their news and they end up I wouldn't even really call a lot of what some of these sites do is news. It's just commentary because they're not out there. They're not in Baghdad or St. Louis or the state capital or anything reporting these news, but they're just commenting on it. So these people that get their news as they see it from these sites and it validates the biases they bring to it and it happens on the left too, although the studies show that people who are self-described liberals or left of center tend to get their sources are more diverse. But people who are self described conservatives tend to get all their news or nearly all from the likes of Fox and Breitbart and the Daily Caller and those sites.”

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36. “Well, so that has been something where people, it has prompted, you know, not just conservative educated conservatives who like to read about, you know, the treatment of conservatism as an intellectual exercise, but it's been a very popular, but not just talk radio. Like I say, these websites too.”

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37. “I think she's suffered a lot, but it wasn't unique to this campaign. This has been a process that has been underway this sort of The rise of conservative media has the history goes back to pre-World War II, but what I'm seeing now is this the past 20 years and with the rise of the Internet, the expansion of conservative media so that it's less, you know, it used to be a highly intellectual thing like National Review and Human Events where conservative principles were written about in rejection of what they considered as the mainstream media that traditional media that didn't really cover conservatism. But now it's a more populist conservatism that Donald Trump has come to reflect and with the internet you had this proliferation of these websites like Breitbart, which is now familiar to people because of Steve Bannon.”

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38. “You know better than anyone how the appeal of change and she was just as in two thousand eight she was not change and and then there was this sense that all they heard about she just her message was drowned out by talk of the emails her private server as secretary of state her speeches to for which she got large sums of money to the likes of Goldman Sachs and you know it just seemed to if they themselves people would cite those and if they but if they didn't think it was all that bad it just sort of seemed to feed a sense of her sense of entitlement that the rules didn't apply to her and you know it simply drowned out her message of what she was trying to say otherwise it's”

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39. “Oh yeah, and an anti elitist and Hillary Clinton I knew early on just looking and talking to people in Northwest Ohio that there was at best a lack of enthusiasm for her and at worst just a rejection she was She was just seen as Establishment and”

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40. “You know, absolutely, and he, even though he seemed to represent, you know, here's this billionaire from New York City. that they're relating to and it's i think that there's an element i don't think there's an element i know there's an element of well he's successful he's um at everything he's done you know they don't disregard the bankruptcies and the like but But they think let's give him a chance. Nothing else seems to have worked and It's interesting. I just sort of think that he gets.”

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41. “And more skills. And, you know, in the healthcare industry, a lot of people, that was the growth industry just as it is in a lot of other places like Pittsburgh. Yeah.”

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42. “Ten or fifteen years ago where it seemed like I talked a couple of my old guy friends and it seemed like they'd been laid off more of their adult life than they'd worked. And so there was a lot. So this promise that we grew up with wasn't there when we came of age for a lot of those people who hadn't gone on to get a higher education, which was a lot of them. And then over the years it just didn't, you know, there were ups and downs. mainly Toledo got better by a lot of cities in the so-called Rust Belt, which I hate to use that phrase and rarely do anymore. But they got smaller and they made do with what they had, whether through new industries. But they usually were automated ones that used fewer jobs.”

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43. “competition for autos with these were manufacturing jobs and they And my father was, you know, I didn't know a lot of other people who had gone to college like he had, and none of my friends. father, or very few of my friend's fathers had been to college, and so then so a lot of the guys in my high school were very few went on to college or at least graduated from college, and they expected they would have the same kind of jobs their dads did in the Jeep plant, the auto parts plants and the other, everything would seem to be related to auto manufacturing. They didn't get those jobs, and there was a point I remember being at a high school reunion where”

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44. “You know, I definitely know I was saying this before the election, but I definitely understood the support where Trump was getting his support. I wasn't surprised that Ohio went for him. I was surprised Michigan did, I'll admit to that. You know, in Toledo, you know, is right on the border with Michigan, so a lot of times our advantage was more oriented in that direction. Because, you know, I have seen when I was a child everything seemed to be going great. Detroit was this sort of Big City Nirvana is where we went, or at least my aunts did, to go shopping for really special things. And it was place our school would take school trips to do things. And then by the time by the 70s, Detroit and Toledo, well, you had the riots of the late 60s and then the economy is, you know, very”

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45. “I didn't run across him as a candidate, I would run across him in nineteen eighty during the presidential election that year in Texas because by that point his father during the point where his father had was no longer challenging Reagan for the nomination but was his running mate. And so the Bush boys led by George W. did a couple political events and I met him at those.”

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46. “Well, the home district was a guy named Charlie Stanholm, who was a conservative Democrat and would remain a Democrat. But I remember distinctly on election night. that the bottom of my story about Stenholm's election, I added a few paragraphs which said something like And in the neighboring Congressional District to the big country, which is what we call the Abilene area. As expected, State Senator Kent Hance, the Democrat, defeated the Republican George W. Bush for the empty congressional seat there But Bush did better than expected, and in retrospect we see that was a sign of things to come.”

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47. “Right, right. And I had come, you know, when I arrived, so it was. I was saw firsthand sort of the realignment of the South in the five. There was a congressional rate.”

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48. “That the South was shifting to Republicans and And we elected a Republican governor that year, which I didn't have a big role to play in as a reporter covering it.”

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49. “Margarita, probably. And she said, No, they didn't have the money for it. But then I got, but I had these other big stories, not just the wet, dry election, but I got to cover elections. And if you think back, David, 1978, which is when this was, was really the first election that signaled two years before Ronald Reagan would get elected. Yeah.”

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50. “She wanted to find out whatever happened to the five legged goat. Well, it died and its owner, it was stuffed and put in a museum of weird things in San Antonio. And I said, I'd love to go to San Antonio and write about, you know, take pictures and write about this stuffed, what is now a stuffed goat.”

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