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Jameeka Green Aaron

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“Yeah, it seems very important to me in this security space. In particular, that you understand the people, like all the people, not just some of the people, but this, you've given us so much time to make it. This has been an incredible conversation. That's a great place to leave it. It sounds like you have a lot of problems to solve. So we gotta, we gotta let you guys.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“When we think about these big jumps, there's someone out there who's going to solve this AI security problem, and we don't know where they are in the world. And if we're not looking for them, we're not talking to them, we're never going to have the answer. And there are other answers out there in the world that we're not going to get because we don't have diverse audiences. And so that's kind of my soapbox on that. But I think it's important to me. I've got a long time left in industry. And I think that it is going to continue to be a big part of what I do to make sure that we have diverse spaces where people can drive.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so we've got to be intentional. The leaders in security have got to be intentional. What they have gotten is some of my very best work and some of my very best thought leadership because I'm not thinking about are they concerned of what Jamika looks like? Are they concerned about how she talks? Are they concerned that they're not concerned about these things? They're concerned about, number one, how can Jamika bring her very best thought leadership? But number two, Jamika also has unique challenges that the rest of us don't face. And we want to make sure that we're not a part of perpetuating that problem for her. This is not just a tech problem or a security problem. It's happening everywhere in every industry because we have not been intentional about diversity. And we looks like we're walking it back a little bit in many cases. And so I think that we have to be really intentional about diversity and we have to be really intentional when we bring diverse candidates and employees in. We are also intentional about making sure that they are welcome and that their ideas are welcome and that we're listening because ultimately”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not lowering the bar when you go and look for candidates of color, you're going out of your comfort zone. And that's what I want the community to be honest about, that we are going to have to get out of our comfort zone to create the community, a technical community that represents the world we actually live in. There is not a place where one person with one train of thought can do everything for everyone because you're not going to be able to include everyone's hopes and dreams and wishes in that. when you go and you seek out a diverse community and diverse thought then you will get a larger intersection of the world and it is my hope that someday i will look around and the world that i live in doesn't look like the world that i work in i want the world that i work in to look like the world that i live in because it is incredibly diverse and it is a beautiful community of people who are brilliant and bright and who have all these great ideas”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's my life's work to diversify the community that I'm a part of. It's important to me because diversity of thought is important to your point, the 73-year-old mom, the person of darker complexion or darker skin. And so, you know, we have a ways to go. We didn't create the society that we live in overnight. This didn't just happen to us. This is hundreds of years in the making. It's been done through various mediums. And so what we're seeing now is the end result of intentional behaviors. And so what we need to fix this is intentional behaviors. We need people who are leaders who are willing to go and find diverse candidates and not say things like we're going to lower the bar. That's bullshit.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Do you see that changing? Do you see that pipeline of people from the military, for example, from other walks of life coming into the industry? How do you accelerate that? Because it feels like that's the key. You've got to understand the 73-year-old mom if you want to make Paskis work. And that the community kind of understands itself right now.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I want to end with kind of just a bigger picture question. We've talked a lot about people in this episode and how they behave and what they like and what they'll do and how you can get them to act in a more secure way by making it easier, by reducing friction. You have a pretty unique background here, right? You came out of the Navy. You're a woman of color in the security industry. That's fairly rare. It seems like understanding people's behavior broadly is really important to security. kind of cast of characters in the community has been pretty narrow, been pretty insular. They've all pretty much looked the same from the same backgrounds.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And those deep fakes are still going to happen, except for now, those deepfakes are just going to be using username and passwords. And so it's one of those things where it's like you shouldn't stop because ultimately the answer could be an AI technology. It will likely be we fight AI with AI. And if we don't keep moving to advance these technologies, AI is not going to stop. It's not. As much as the flag has been raised and people said, no, no, no, you don't see it slowing down at all. And so why would we slow down when we know that this technology is moving that we need to be able to protect and defend against? And so I would say no, actually what needs to happen is that we need to move faster. And we need to be uniquely acquainted with AI and all of the risk and vulnerabilities and threats that it presents. And we need to continue to evolve these technologies to go right along with AI.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, no, I don't. Will be times when technology doesn't move at the same pace. And so I think that as ferociously, as AI is moving forward, we are going to have to move forward as well. Because if we stop the rollout of pass keys in biometrics, AI is still going to keep going.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't have the answer yet. It's one that we are all digging into in the security community and trying to figure out how do we not create these scary stories, but really get finite user-centric details around what can actually happen with generative AI and what are the threats that are out there.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The entire source code in there, they would have to know how to use it. You'd have to have all the secrets in there. And so, yeah, I mean, I don't want our developers doing that, but at the same time, in order for it to actually go into a public large language model that's crawling the internet, you've got to really put a lot of instances out there for it to pick it up. I am much more concerned about what you've talked about here. And I think that it's”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it is as important to us as it is the folks who are making AI to do this work and to secure this work. We've let something out in the loose. I look at some of the AI generators around like headshots and I'm like, these look great and they look just like me. And how would you know if I sent you a headshot that wasn't really me at this point? It's kind of hard to know. That's the good part of it because Jamika looks great all the time. The bad part of it is when you take what I've sent you and use it biometrically to log into everything that I own. So it's both. I think we're going to have to be very, very thoughtful about security in the AI space. And I think, you know, there's lots of talk about like, hey, what happens when my developers dumped all of my code in? I'm not super concerned about that. And the reason for, and I'll tell you why. The reason for that is you have to have a lot of data to change your large language model. And then the person who's attacking you has to know that your data's out there and that it's a part of the model. And so it's pretty sophisticated. You would have to dump all of”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Still, a lot of thought around if it's going to be the defenses that have been proposed are effective. And none of them are talking about biometrics kind of man-in-the-middle attacks. They are talking about like, you know, adversary in the middle, but not this particular example that you've given. We're not there yet. And when we think about why there is so much consternation about AI, this is the reason why. Because we all can come up with these various examples that none of us have thought about how we defend against yet. And so while I am a super fan of AI also, I'm like, we also can't get so far behind the Mark With security as we do with other technologies. We've done it over and over again. We should know better by now. We really are going to have to get really, really good at this particular space of security and defensibility in this space of AI. Not happening at a rapid pace the way I would like to see it. But what I do know is that”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and this is the CISO's journey, right? This is a part of what, you know, oftentimes they're like our CISO's crazy and they're telling us about all these things. I know it. I know they say it. You know, we're telling these horror stories, but this is, you know, AI is real. It's not new technology. We've been using machine learning to defend against bots for years. It's not new to us. And so in that case, it's not new. What's new is how generative AI is being used. And so, yeah, I'm concerned. I think we, and I don't have an answer for how we fix this yet. Was just came out with, you know, top 10 for large language models. And I've been, you know, ferociously reading through it. It's like 30 pages. It's a great read, though. And the cloud security alliance has also put out some really great information around how we defend against it, but it's not solid. It's still very much a, you know, there's we can use AI to defend against it.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's where the attack happens between the camera and the security system. And I deepfake your face and you've only got one face That's over, right? That's the trade off with biometrics. It's easy and convenient and the most secure right now, but it's also once you're off the cliff, you're done.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“AI is that it mimics us. And so our ability to detect if it's a human or if it's a bot is diminishing, it's going to diminish. And so this is where the challenge becomes really critical because what happens when those deepfakes can also mimic our faces and our biometric.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Locally, right? Locally, right? When I say yourself, what I mean locally, I'm a fan of that technology because we're holding on to it with the death grip, but it also allows us to have some ownership and protection of it, I think that, and because there are tons of ways to wipe and delete remotely, there's tons of things that we can do with cell phones to really protect that. And so I think that's one of the reasons why I like the technology. But I am very worried about how we protect the data. We have not gotten to where we are, I think, universally good at protecting data and protecting databases. I think even more so, you talked a little bit about AI. When I think about AI, I think about these large language models that are being built and the ability for me as a CISO, one of the things that we can do right now is understand if it's a human or if it's a bot. AI is bringing generative AI is bringing in deepfakes that are human-like. The thing about generative...”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm worried. If I had to say there's the biggest thing that I'm worried about is what happens when they lose my fingerprints, what happens when those are breached and what are we going to do about it? The tenets of protecting data and protecting PII, those are not new as we start to think about how we're storing and how we're handling data and encryption and at rest, we're going to have to, I think, up level our skill set around protecting biometric data. It is I think again the thing that I am most worried about what not and again, not as a CISO, but as a human being. What happens when they lose my retinal scan? What happens? And I think that that's one of the reasons why I'm such a fan of having the capability on your cell phone because you're holding.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The big trade off in biometrics is once it's breached, it's done right, at least not yet. How are you thinking about those trade-offs, especially in a time when AI systems seem poised to be used by bad actors to attack them?”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's the real answer, right? You got me to say, yeah, I don't know, you know. I think a lot of people want us to go away. And I think it's comforting to people. I want to come back to that, actually, that thought of the fact that it's real people that are going to drive this shift. But one more question pass keys in general. You mentioned biometrics, you really like it. There are big trade-offs with biometrics. You mentioned that you're a black woman and facial recognition systems generally have not been trained well on people with darker skin. I've experienced this as well. There's bias in that data. We're also coming up on a time of massive AI development. And it seems like a lot of AI bad actors are going to point it right at biometric systems.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We can do that. That's a good plug. But I think that I think we're still a ways out because people are emotionally tied to it. I think that they want it there. They think it's important. And so I think we're still a ways out because of the emotional connection, not because of the technical capability. I think the technical capability is there. I think that as we, again, as we continue to partner and we continue to release, do software releases and hardware releases that this is available, people will just naturally migrate to it and then it'll become a part of how they do business every day. If you had to nail me down, I'd say we're five to ten years away from the password going away.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I don't. I think that it will speed up the adoption. And I think that this is what has to happen. I think that we have to have these kinds of releases where they speed up adoption. But ultimately, in order for passwords to go away, everywhere that there's a password, it has to have the technology built in for it to go away, or they have to use a product in front of their login box for it to go away. Now, obviously, we can do that for you. But I think that.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh gosh, you know, one interview I say forever, one interview I'm like tomorrow. I don't know. You know what? That's a question that I really don't know. I don't know how long it's going to be. I would like it to be in the next like five to ten years. That's still a long time. I don't have the answer. I think we're really pushing towards it going away, but I don't know. That's one I just can't answer. I would love to say that it's sooner rather than later, but I don't think that that's true.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“On each other, and the failure of one technology, it's like dominoes falling. We get compromised in the identity space and many, many other areas are compromised as a result of that. We don't want that. And so we are really, really focused on not just only being a good partner, but building those good partnerships. And sometimes that means bringing everyone along, even if they don't want to come along.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so, what we are trying to do is to get the companies that be to say, yes, this is something that we all should do. Is it hard? Is it difficult? Absolutely. But is it the right thing to do? Absolutely. And it's a task or a challenge that OCTA is willing to do. Because if we're going to say that we're neutral, we have to get as many partners on board as we can. And so that's what we're doing. And I'll tell you, we have been wildly successful in that. And talking to some of the larger companies and saying it is important that this particular standard pass keys is the one that we agree on because it's about people. If we keep that in mind, it makes the conversations different and a lot more smooth because ultimately nobody wants to be the company that is on there and saying three million of our customers data has been breached. That is what we are all facing when all of us don't get on board. We all are reliant.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, some of it is just, well, in some cases, they just say no and we go, okay. You know, and sometimes you'll hear us say we're 80% of the way because not everyone always wants to get on board. That's going to happen. We know that. When you have your own ecosystem, you have flexibility to say, no, I'm not going to participate. It is our hope that when we think about identity, this is about people. This is not about market share. This is not about having your own ecosystem for Octa. This is about people. And this is about protecting people. And so It is my hope, it is Octa's hope that that becomes the forefront of standardizing. If it is a benefit to people in protecting our consumers, because ultimately when our consumers are compromised or when we are compromised through our consumers, we lose trust. Trust like rides in on a tricycle and leaves in a Rolls-Royce. It comes in slowly and it goes out on a jetpack. And so when we lose consumer trust, we all”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm just saying that that's a pattern I see happen over and over again. For you as Okta, building on top of that, how do you manage that as you try to push out the consumer products that you're building in a secure way?”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Now, are some of them built on standards? No. Some of them are like, no, we just really need to make this API work. And so that's what we're doing. But we take that challenge, right? There are some that will be standards-based. There are some where we will just partner and say we need to make this work because it's going to be a benefit to our customers. Let me give you an example”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, but it is a standard. And I think that sometimes you have to have a standard for the sake of interoperability. And I think that that's what these standards are about is it's interoperability because capturing market share is really, really challenging. And in many cases, you cannot capture market share when you do not have that interoperability. There is no one company that owns the space completely. In many cases, we all work together in vast ways in order for us to have that level of improperity, we are working from a set of standards. OCTA has 15,000 connections.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think there's tons of buy-in around FIDO2 and WebAuth. And I think, I mean, I guess I'm kind of a forward-leaning technologist, so of course I'm going to say yes. I haven't seen a space where I just couldn't use it yet. But again, I think I'm biased because I'm a technologist at heart. And so, you know, I'm trying to figure out more ways in which I can use it. But no, I think there has to be industry buy-in for certain standards USB-C. It's all over the place now.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's what we're doing. These are companies that are our partners. And yes, we compete in some spaces, but they are also our partners. And it is predicated of us as industry leaders to lead the way. And so sometimes we have to work together. But this is also where industry standards become important because in many cases we are building with an industry standard in mind. And so we're not necessarily saying that Okta is the dependency. We're saying build towards the industry standard. And if you build with the industry standard, then Okta will pick up and manage identity for you.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It does its job exactly right, but right to you to the even to that point, she held on to her iPhone 6. You've got your 2015 iMac. And so, and you're both going to get asked. So I think that, yes, this is, we're thinking about making technology accessible to everyone. I know that the manufacturers of hardware products are thinking about that and we're thinking about how we layer software on top of that that makes it accessible and secure.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Their cell phones. And so even when you don't have a desktop or a laptop, I don't know anybody that has a desktop anymore. But even when you don't have a laptop, I'm”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Know in many cases, biometrics has failed me. I don't use facial recognition, but I do use my fingerprint pretty often. And I don't use it because it doesn't work for me. The models have not been trained enough with diversity in mind to get there. But we are going to get there. I do think we're going to get there. And so I think when we think about the future with path keys and with all of these different ways that we can use past keys and we can access them, yes, it's the way of the future. Yes, it's going to happen. And we're all going to march in that direction. And people are going to, I think when they realize that they're going to like it, it just got my mom. It was her birthday two days ago. It was my mother-in-law's birthday. We got her new iPhone. We got her new iPhone. You know, she is used biometrics now. And she thinks this is the best thing in the world. She's 73 years old. She was like, wait a minute. And she had an iPhone. Now, mind you, she had an iPhone 6. So this just kind of.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The technologies that people are really using. We don't want to come out with something new and force people to do it because they're still holding on ferociously to the username and password. And what we've done is iterated, pass keys are an iteration upon that. I love using biometrics. It's one of my favorite things to use. And in many cases, if a login box pops up and that's not an option, I am like, I don't even want to do this. I don't even, if I can't turn it on, but it also is predicated on building a login process that has FIDO technologies. You can't use these new technologies if you've not built those into your stack. And so there's some things that we still need to do to get to the place where everyone can use pass keys. But I do think it's the way of the future and I think it's the right thing to do. Biometrics are insanely secure. There's only one version of Jamaica's face. I think we still have a ways to go around biometrics ability to detect people. I'm a black woman. And so I.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“See a bunch of I think that that is how I see it playing out. And the reason for that is that it's not because of the technology. It's honestly because people hold on to their cell phones with the death grip. If you lose yourself, this is just my own perspective from just watching humans do humanity things. If you lose your cell phone, you lose your mind. You want to find it. You've got a tracker on it. You've got a way to embrace it. So the pass key takes advantage of something that we're already doing naturally. And I think that's why it's going to be more successful. We already are building biometrics. They're not our building. They're there. We're already building this additional vector of authentication into the capability of every cell phone. And we're so serious about holding on to our cell phones, having them near us. You know, most self, it's even when you sleep. You wake up in the morning, you go straight. And so I think we're thinking about the way the world is actually moving and going. We need to build.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The consumer experience of the pass key is I've got my phone, my phone authorizes me usually with some biometrics and every example that I've seen, Touch ID, Face ID, whatever. Now my phone knows it's me and now all logins are handled everywhere because my phone is authed to me. Is that how you see it playing out? Because I see a bunch of big companies saying we still want our employees to log in.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm like, I'm Right, all the motorcycles, all the stoplights. So pass keys are the next version of our ability to log in without friction. They are critical and they are secure. And that's the other thing. And so when you see massive amounts of industry and you're in this industry with us, moving in one direction, it's because we feel like universally it's the right direction to move in. What I love to say that Octa spearheaded that, yes, but I think it's a mutual agreement amongst all of us that safety and security as a consumer is of our utmost importance. And so that's why we're headed in that way.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“At this point, I assume every capture is me training in AI modeling system somewhere. I'm like, I'm just contributing to some AI model somewhere. I've identified all the crosswalks in America at this point.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What is friction? Because I've said it a bunch of times, but I'm not actually talked about what is friction. Anytime you have to stop and think about something else in the login process, it's friction. So I'll give you an example. You're going to a website, you've put in your username and passwords. It says, we don't think this is you. We're going to send you an email. Now you've got to go to your email. That's friction. Or Casha pops up and it's maybe it's not the greatest CAFTA and you can't really figure out how to get through it and you can't at this point.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I talked a little bit about friction, and I think that ultimately what pass keys allow us to do is remove some of the friction from the login process. And in many cases, we've experienced passkeys already. And we're just not completely aware of it because the process is very smooth. If you are using your mobile device in any capacity to log into something, there is likely a passkey involved, most likely with your bank. Banks are really good and really forward leaning in terms of protecting the login space. Why is this important? Because everyone's on board. And the reason that everyone's on board is because we feel like this is the right way to go. This is the way that we need to drive in the industry. Well, why do we think that? Because the consumer ultimately decides how in the ways in which our products were worked and if they're successful or not. Past keys make it very easy to log into things and they remove so much friction from the login process.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So it's both, right? I am selling security, but I also am still the CISO of a line of business. And so we talked a little bit earlier about Secure by Design. I am hardcore about it. What I've had to do is really change my relationships internally with my counterparts. So my CTO, she's my co-conspirator. We spend a lot of time together thinking about”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And one of the things that the adversaries have on their sides is that they share information. They go, I did this. This attack was effective, and you try it now. We're not doing that. And I think we have to get so much better at it. And so one of the things that I get to do is share information about what kinds of attacks I'm seeing in real time with the community so that they can do something about it. And so for me, very different roles. Security is a business enabler now, but it's not just a business enabler to me, it's a business enabler to marketing, to our product officers, really, really helping them to understand how what they're doing in this space can change and uplift the entire community.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Roles were specifically about protecting our intellectual property, protecting the crown jewel. This job is different. This job is about making security a business enabler, using the knowledge that I have of this industry to create better products for Okta and to create better products for our consumers, but also for our CISOs. And so we've got threat intelligence or threat insights coming out where it allows us to really seed information from our systems, which we see billions of logins every day. We get to see the real ones and the fake ones. So it allows us to share information in Intel. The other thing about this role that I think has been fun and unique is that I am a fan of sharing information with other CISOs. We are so secretive, oftentimes because we just can't share. Our companies don't really want to share the details around cyber attacks. But ultimately, CISOs, I think, are a trusted community where we can share information because we're all fighting the same adversaries.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So let me give you an example. We have the ability through Security Center to tell you if an influx of activity is actually consumers trying to log in because you maybe have a new product launch like a sneaker. Or if it's bots that are actually attacking you to take advantage of that new product. And then with that, you can turn our controls up and down. You can turn on advanced attack protection. You can turn on bot protection. And so for me, I was so excited about the product that I leaked it accidentally a bunch of times because I wanted to talk about it. I wanted to share it and I wanted other CISOs to see it. So for me as a CISO, this is like the best place to work ever because I get to really see how our products are going to impact my own peers. And I get to understand if they're going to be helpful, not just from talking to my peers, but from actually testing the products out myself. And so it's a really interesting role. It's very different than all the other roles I've had because my previous.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm a product CISO, and this is my first time being a product CISO. And so over my 25 years, it's changed. I would say when I first started an industry, I was hardcore security. There is no trade-off. It has to be secure. And as little risk as possible, very risk averse. Now that I'm a product CISO and our product is security, security has to be a business enabler. I have the unique position of not only being the CISO of CIC, but also of being the chief tester of products. I get to really look at some of our products. So when I first landed at the company, we were thinking about a product called Security Center. That product is now in GA, but we were thinking about it. They came to me and said, hey, would you like to have this? And I was like, hell yes, this is a dashboard that gives me all of the data around bots, around credential stuffing attacks. And this is something that I would love to see so that I can actually make good decisions around security.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So we have 18,000 customers, we have 6,000 employees, and we're structured into our two primary clouds. So essentially kind of how I've been talking about it, that's how we're structured. We have our CEO, Todd McCannon, and then we're structured into our two primary clouds, our workforce identity cloud, which is focused specifically around workforce logins and employees. And then our customer identity cloud, which is focused around consumer internet, SaaS apps, internet facing applications. And then we have teams that support each of those primary clouds.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's not every time you log in. It's based on licensing and a number of employees. It's based on MAUs. And so it's based on a number of users. And this brings actually up another point, particularly on the consumer side, because in the workforce, you know, I have 10,000 employees. I need 10,000 octa accounts, right? The consumer side, not so. You don't have any employees. You have consumers. And this is also where.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“How do we make money? I mean, that's kind of a, I mean, I guess it's not a tough question, but we essentially, we make money by protecting logins. Do you get”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Got a login box that's facing the internet and you need some extra security, you need capture, you need SMS, you need social logins, you need something else that's going to add an additional factor of protection. And so we're saying don't build it yourself. Let us do this piece for you, the identity piece.”
2023-08-29 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Biometrics? Bring it on: Why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT