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James Clapper

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first: 2018-05-31
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“When I went there, studied the Korean Peninsula ever since I served there in the mid 80s. And I was blown away by the magnitude and depth of the paranoia and siege mentality that prevails among the elite in North Korea.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I think it would be a win-win, mutually reciprocal on both parts to establish a regular mechanism for communicating back and forth which could serve to maybe restrict some of the bellicose rhetoric that we've seen publicly in the past. What would really be useful in this case and our presence not known for this would be for him to go on a listening tour. I think it would be extremely useful to hear from the horse's mouth the first time ever You know, North Korea is a family-owned country and get from the horse's mouth what is it? The question that I'd like to hear answered what is it that what would it take for you to feel secure enough so you don't need nuclear weapons now that could be a pretty steep price tag so you shouldn't commit to anything but I think it would be very useful if we could hear what it is what it would take so they don't they feel they don't need nuclear weapons”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, first, this is one case where I actually agreed with something President Trump has done, and I thought his letter to Kim Yong-un was appropriate, and it elicited, it got the right response, a conciliatory response from Kim Mong-ung-ungun. So I think I do think they should have the summit. I think though we should not have great expectations for a summit, but I think there'd be great value in gripping and grinning and meeting and greeting and all that, but not to expect the grand bargain on denuclearization, because that won't happen.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We both participate in that environment. Yeah, exactly. And it's so ripe for manipulation where people with nefarious purposes in mind, whether foreign or domestic, can exploit that and create uncertainties, make it seem as though you cannot arrive at truth because we have alternative facts or truth is relative, to use quote a couple phrases. And that's very dangerous to a democracy, where truth and facts, empirical evidence are crucial. Those are fundamental underpinnings to an effective and true democracy, in my opinion.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, a lot. I will tell you that the biggest single force for change in the intelligence community has been technology. That is what has brought huge change just to the intelligence community. And we've gone from a situation where there's consistent dearth of information to an abundance of information. And the problem today, because information is so ubiquitous. And there's this constant volume of it at very high velocities. And this leads to, I think, sloppiness in journalism, the 24-hour news cycle thing in our worship of soundbites. Because there's so much information you have to move on to the next event. And of course.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, they're not good because The concern I've had throughout all this is the jeopardy to our institutions, which are fragile. I mean, there's not much, when you think about it, there's not much difference between any institution operating in a democracy and the same institution operating in an autocratic. Environment. And I think the president is compromising that and is compromising these crucial institutions like a free press, like an independent judiciary, like an independent FBI. And an intelligence community that will tell truth to power, even the power doesn't listen to the truth. And these are important institutions in our country, and they're under assault. And both internally and then the Russians, of course, they're exploiting that. And we, unfortunately, the nation is a ripe target.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, absolutely. I mean, this is regrettably comports with Russian tradecraft. And this is a case study in the skillful use, I might add, effective use, because I think what he's doing is sticking in a court of public opinion, which is regrettable. But this is a patented Russian, and before that Soviet technique. And the whole objective, so doubt, discord. So that Know you can't get to truth. It could be this, it could be that. And this is what the Russians exploited, by the way, in a campaign. And they're very good at it. I think this is exactly the strategy that the president and his team are taking.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The president or any of his campaign were colluding with the Russians, all that. I don't know. I still don't. And that's why it's very important that somehow there be a resolution to this, that the Mueller investigation one way or another clear this up and remove this cloud over the nation”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“David, I've often thought about if it hadn't been for President Obama tasking us to do that intelligence community assessment. I wonder what would have happened because that was a catalyst for a whole series of events that are yet unfolding to include the establishment of the Special Council. It all started with that intelligence community assessment documenting the Russian meddling. And it was only because President Obama told us to do it and also do it before the end of his administration and put out as much of it as possible unclassified. So the key judgments that were rendered in the unclassified version are identical to the key judgments in the highly classified version. And the substantiation for which was overwhelming. Now, the business about the extent to which”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it's not a good thing when the president is berating and demeaning these important institutions of ours. I mean, I think right now intelligence community is not exactly in the crosshairs and most of the president's wrath is focused on Department of Justice and the FBI. And it's clear to me, in fact, Rudy Giuliani acknowledged as much Sunday that the objective here is in the Court of Public Opinion undermine the investigation, undermine the credibility of Bob Muller and his team. And that's not good for the long-term health of our institutions in this country.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, there are all kinds of theories about. Why is it that the president refuses to be critical of the Russians or particularly of Vladimir Putin? Of course, that's one explanation. Maybe he has something on them? I don't know. Or there's a financial entanglement or entanglements plural that he doesn't want to expose. Or as my cadence suggests, it's just a question of incompetence. President Trump is just taken with strong men, with autocrats. He admires him. Or some combination thereof. I don't know.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I mean, you know, they have had dealings and attempted dealings with the Russians. I'm given to understand that the Trump organization turned to the Russians for financing bank loans and this sort of thing. But I don't know any of the details. I certainly didn't know any of them”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly, and keep it as discreet as possible And of course, since then, there have been all kinds of criticism about our doing that. But some of what is in those memos has been validated.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So in the no good deed goes unpunished department, we did that and try to be as discreet about it as possible, so we neck down to just Jim and So it's not to”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I felt, and the four of us, that as John Brennan then Director CIA, Jim Comey, Director, then Director of the FBI, and then Admiral Mike Rogers, who just retired as director of NSA, Our general sense was that we owed it to the President-elect to tell him that this thing was out there, because our understanding was it was widely held throughout by the media. At least two members of Congress had it. So we felt as a duty to warn it we should tell the president-elect about this. Jim Comey was concerned about the potential counterintelligence implications. The Russians are big on what they call compromise. Their acronym for compromising material. Whether it's real or contrived, and that how they might try to use that to leverage or influence the president. And Jim felt strongly about he should be warned about that.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, first of all Another point I always have to make here. We did not use the dossier, which is actually a compendium of 17 separate memos. We did not use it as a source for the intelligence community assessment. Some things in the dossier were corroborated in our intelligence community assessment. And other things have been corroborated since, but we didn't use it because we couldn't validate the second third order collection sources that were used to compile”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I thought it was unfortunate Lapse in judgment on somebody's part We, the IC, got involved in that because of the referral of a sampling of emails from the State Department Inspector General to the intelligence community inspector general. And that was the predicate actually for the beginning of the FBI investigation on those emails. And it was just a very bad practice, security practice to do that. And I think it's very regrettable”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Thought she was excellent in her job. My observations of her were primarily just sitting next to her in the situation room. She always came to meetings prepared. She was thoughtful, had tremendous work ethic. So on a personal level, I admired her.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think he took it pretty gracefully and we had a wonderful send-off for him the following summer of 14. I surmise I don't know because I have not had much contact with him. Became an angry man, and I think it ate at him that his time was curtailed. Which is kind of sad. The Mike Flynn I watched at the Republican convention was not the Mike Flynn I had known. He's a different person.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, no. This had more to. For me, it was just sort of management issues. He was having a negative impact on the employees. And I was concerned about the So what provoked him?”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, first it's only appropriate to acknowledge and salute Mike's long service in the Army. He was a great military intelligence officer. I helped officiate at his promotion ceremony, The Three Stars in the Women's Memorial, a wonderful ceremony. And he worked for me for about 11 months. His first job as a three-star. And I supported him to be appointed as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency a job I had much earlier. Things didn't work out for a number of reasons. Both Dr. Mike Vickers, who was my successor as Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, who also has a responsibility for the intelligence agencies embedded in DOD, Department of And he had his issues with Mike Linden, as did I. And we just mutually agreed that we need to shorten his term. None of those”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I thought it was awful. I just think it was just completely inappropriate for a candidate, for the office of President of the United States to call on an adversary to help him publicly, to help him with his campaign”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Whether it was the Russians or UAE or anybody else. It would appear to me as a layman, not a lawyer That there was certainly an intent to collude, and if the Russians, if the Russian interlocutors at that meeting came across with dirt, so-called on Hillary Clinton, it looks to me they would have accepted it. The president himself as a candidate exhorting the Russians to go out and find 30,000 missing emails is, again, I thought a public exhortation to collude.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Would it mean an intent to collude? Now collusion obviously, as we all know, that's not a legal thing. But it seemed to me that they were interested. The campaign was interested in help from whatever quarter it came.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well It's hard to say. I can't tell whether this was kind of The old radio show, Ted Max's original amateur are? They just didn't know what they were doing. Or they did know. But when a guy like Mataford who had such experi”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was doing what I point out in the book is the striking parallelism between the themes and the things that the Trump campaign was saying and doing and what the Russians were saying and doing was almost like an echo chamber, particularly on the subject of Hillary Clinton, her alleged scandals, her alleged maladies, both mental and physical. And it was striking parallelism. I don't allege collusion. I don't know that. I didn't know it before I left the guy.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“However, break break. As a private citizen, having a pretty good understanding of the massive effort that the Russians mounted, the diversity of sources and social media that they used, and the number of American voters that they reached with their message. That to me, and then if you consider that the fact that the election turned on 80,000 votes or so in three states states, It stretches credulity in my mind to think that all of that had no impact on the election. In fact, I believe, because it didn't have to be that many votes that the Russians swung it.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I do. I have to point out, David, whenever this topic comes up, just to reemphasize that the intelligence community assessment that we produced published on the 6th of January in unclassified form, Did not render a judgment on whether the Russian meddling had any impact on the outcome of the elections. It's important that I say that. That was the official because the intelligence community doesn't have the charter or the resources to do that.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've been asked that question a lot like when did the light bulb come on when what was the exact moment when you knew this was different because the Russians have a long history of interfering in elections theirs and other people's goes back to at least the 60s you know the heyday of the Cold War where the Russians were trying to influence our elections But never as direct and aggressive and as multifaceted as what they did in 2016. And it sort of gradually unfolded. I think in the summer and fall of 16 is when we got more information from more sources, we began to understand the magnitude of what they were doing. It really was at a visceral impact on me. I've seen a lot of bad stuff in 50 plus years in intelligence, but nothing like this really shook me because this was intended to undermine the very fundamental pillars of our system.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, this is an open session. I've probably been an up to the hill for 20 or 25 years testifying in hearings both open and closed. I've answered probably dozens of hearings, answered maybe hundreds, thousands of questions, and always endeavor to be truthful and straight about them. So, G, just for change of pace on this one question, I guess I'll lie just to be different. And by the way, do it on live television in front of one of my oversight committees, which on his face to me is incredulous. So yes, I made a mistake”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Adjustments Act, Amendments Act, excuse me, is awkwardly worded, which governs the collection on non-US persons overseas. Ergo, my attempt at an explanatory comment, amplification comment, that if such collection happen on U.S. persons, it would be inadvertent. Well that comment, by the way, makes no sense in the context of Section 215, which at least to me proves I wasn't even thinking about it. And by the way, had I been thinking about what Senator Wyden was asking me about, he wouldn't have answered. I'd have still been in a bad place because at the time the program was classified.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I do regret it. That statement you just quoted was at the end of a longer discourse preamble that he spoke about. This was at the end of a hearing in March of 2013. And the subject of the hearings worldwide threat. So we'd already gone about two and a half hours on that subject, and then he brought this up. And I simply wasn't thinking about what Senator Wyden was asking about. What he was asking about, so I made a big mistake, but I didn't lie. There's a big difference. But what he was asking about was the limited storage of telephony business records metadata governed by what was then Section 215 of the Patriot Act. What I was thinking about was another program, Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the interest of confidence, so the American public and trust that we're doing the right thing, or do we protect it so that we can continue it because of the valuable intelligence we gain from this particular source or method?”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of the House and Senate, respectively, who are on those two committees because they have to be proxies or surrogates for the rest of the public to represent them. To ensure that what the intelligence community is doing is legal, ethical, and moral. That works when they are bipartisan. And when they're not, it doesn't work. One other thought I might add here. As desirable as transparency is in the interest of gaining the faith, trust and confidence of the American public, transparency is a two-edged sword. So the adversaries go to school on that very same transparency. So there's always a risk-gain judgment that intelligence people have to make about should we expose this capability or explain this program?”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Maybe not anymore, but it used to be. Maybe that's not a good example, but intelligence can't be. So that's why there's a double burden, a extra heavy burden placed on members.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And the stand-up of the church bike hearings, which led to the stand up of the two oversight committees. In the House in 1976, in the Senate in 1977, I think. And those are an important fixture in the oversight of the intelligence community. And the problem is intelligence inherently cannot be fully open and transparent because of the nature of the work. It's not like Department of Agriculture or Department of Commerce, because most of what they do is completely transparent. Well, it can't be that way.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I will say, though, that the lesson learned here was the need for transparency. You know, the intelligence community needs to be more transparent. There's always an aura of mystery about the intelligence community and what the intelligence people in the intelligence community are doing, and that aura of mystery inherently gives rise to suspicion that we're doing something untoward, illegal and moral, unethical, whatever. And unfortunately, history's replete”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And although I think the portrayal of that program was profoundly exaggerated and it became a big narrative that we in the government just could never Could never defeat. But the fact is that he exposed so much else that had nothing to do with so called domestic intelligence that had profoundly damaged our intelligence capability. And if you're a taxpayer, you are paying for the recovery from the damage that he's done.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The major takeaway Well, first of all, Aunt Snowd himself, if he had limited what he had exposed only to so called domestic intelligence, I could almost understand what he did.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, that you got them, but also part of the imponderable here was whether the Pakistanis would detect. The raid had a long way to fly from Afghanistan and back. What their reaction might be, and would there be a hostile reaction? How in danger would our troops be and all those kind of factors? And I just thought it was a very brave, courageous decision that the president made on less than perfect information and not unanimous advice from his advisors.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I just said that to him, and I said, for me, I am going to go with the analysts, the experts who have been following this for years. And their assessment, their instinct, really, is they're sure he's there And I also felt that we should do it with a raid as opposed to a standoff weapon because you have thinking people on the ground that can make decisions given whatever the situation is.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Decision. I'll tell you, David, That was a tremendous A courageous decision that President Obama made for two reasons. We didn't have the intelligence we had was less than perfect. We did not have certitude that Osama bin Laden was in that compound. I'll never forget the last meeting we had, and I'm sure Tom will recall this as well, which I think was on a Thursday. And the president went around the table, as he typically did and asked everybody's thoughts on should we do it? And if so how? And he got responses all over the map. There was not unanimity among his national security team. And we put a lot of discussion about. Percentage of confidence, which to me is not very meaningful. In the end, it's all subjective judgment anyway.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I don't think so. I think military serves the commander in chief, whoever it is. And it was kind of that. Sort of ethos that I grew up in, and certainly that's what I adapted when I came in the military myself.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I voted both ways. I voted, but I voted for Republican presidents and Democratic presidents. The family environment I was brought up in was political neutrality.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One day he summoned me to his office, and we had a little one on one meeting in April of 2010, and he said we really need you to do this, the DNI. And I said, no. At the time, I was pushing 70 years old. Now I'm dragging it. And the big thing was I did not want to go through another political confirmation, as I had for Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, which was awful. Prolonged, I was held, and I just hated it. So I didn't want to do that anymore. When they run you in the Oval Office, and it was the first time I ever met President Obama The commander in chief says, I need you to do this job. And I'm duty guy at heart. So I said, I'll give it a go. And that turned into six and a half years. Now I am definitely done.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A Democrat asked Bob Gates, a Republican, to stay on as Secretary of Defense never happened before. It was a great choice, a great decision, a great admiration and respect and esteem for Bob Gates. So the 19 months that I promised my wife turned into three and a half years and I thought, well, my plan was when Bob walked out the river entrance of the Pentagon, I was going to fall in about a millisecond later.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Bob, we actually go back to when I served as director of DIA and then Bob was director of CIA and then Dual Hat as Director of Central Intelligence. And he's a friend and actually a mentor of mine. And it was he who asked me to understand. Back when he became Secretary of Defense just to finish the Bush term, which would have been about 19 months. And I asked a small favor of him. I said you could probably ease this for me at home if you call my wife. Which he did, and then he recounted that in his book, which was a little embarrassing. Anyway, the 19 months turned into three and a half years because unprecedented thing happened when President Obama.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, not just me personally, but I think institutionally the intelligence community has contemplated that a lot. And of course, there was yet another commission. That was stood up just to study weapons of mass destruction and reporting, and there were a number of, I think, 76 recommendations, something like that they made to improve intelligence, collection analysis and reporting on weapons of mass destruction. As I say, we try to be a learning organization even when it's forced on us.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's hard to know, but presumably at least that justification for invading Iraq wouldn't have been there. Maybe it would have been invaded anyway, I don't know, but at least the intelligence wasn't the excuse or justification for it. So if there weren't an invasion, whether it's almost an imponderable about how things would have been, probably more stable. Maybe Arab Spring wouldn't have happened. There's a whole, it's hard to know, but there's a whole bunch of sequence of events that may not have happened or would have taken a different course than they did as a result of our invading Iraq.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's footnoted in that National Intelligence Estimate, then the agency head or senior representative has to certify the veracity of that reporting. So there's a lot more discipline now in assessing the credibility of sources. And if we learn later they go bad, we pull that out of those reports. So that was among many changes we made to strengthen the process was, I think, the key one.”
2018-05-31 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 247 — James Clapper · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source