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Jamie Kalven

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  1. “Well, yeah, some of them. Yes, some of them are in fact getting the thing on the doorstep. In any case, they're reading the content.”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “Side by side, and also the dynamic by which, I mean, there are all sorts of things about life in Hypark Henwood that I love and shaped by, you know, I said initially I'm a native. But I think there's also something that I found myself pushing back against. And to this day, I do. I mean, I live among people and struggle not to be one of them who get three newspapers, read the New York Times every day, have NPR on all day, read the right books, and are completely...”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. “It's in a balkanized. Against the poor. So within walking distance of this enclave of racial tolerance. At every point in my life, although the broader South Side has undergone changes, are some of the most distressed, abandon communities of overwhelmingly African American anywhere in the country. And so it just, there was a fascination for me in that geography. And I think the way in which Patsy's fact”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  4. “Yeah, so I don't want to suggest that it was as direct as A to B or cause and effect. I was already sort of engaged in trying to get a better sense of the South Side and explore this place that was my place, but I grew up in Kenwood in Hyde Park. And for those who aren't familiar with this part of the South Side, integrated middle class community. It's an island.”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  5. “Black living in certain parts of the south side, but we're not cruel, we're not monsters. There's something that happens after, so somebody with green hair assaults you. And again, this is all secondary for me. I don't want to, you know, there's certainly ways in which the rest of us in the family were victims, but there's a primary victim. And Patsy was extraordinarily eloquent about this, and it drives the narrative in the book. You're assaulted by somebody with green hair. It's not a question of your attitudes and your tolerance that you recoil, that just your nerve endings fire when you see somebody with green hair. And so how do you avoid having that dynamic that lives in your cells shape your life?”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  6. “And the idea that she was frightened to go from the car to the front door was so, I mean, that was the loss. And so it was a question of how to remap and recover the world. The question for me that became pretty powerful, although I don't want to suggest that I was clear-sighted at this time, it's kind of groping. And then you find yourself somewhere and you can look back and see what the path was. The question that drove me was or the need was to find men who fit the description who weren't cruel.”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  7. “Attacking others, but I didn't feel that compulsion, and it felt to me kind of, I'm not sure what word to use, but almost like a sort of male infantile thing, because that's a fantasy, you know, unless you're right there at the moment, you're not going to be able to intervene. And it also, if it's not a fantasy, it's actually a lynching. Yeah, I mean, that sort of impulse for rough justice. And what was much more compelling for me and sort of drove me, but I have to say, this was an expression of where Patsy was coming from. Her greatest grief was that something had been done to her body that robbed the world. It was the theft of her world. She had traveled widely. We'd been in race riots, in Wars together. As journalists”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  8. “Right, so part of what was interesting, so I toured with this book. It got a lot of attention. Virtually every interview, every media appearance, as if there was only one story that men particularly knew about violence against women, I was asked if I was obsessed with As if that John Wayne, the searchers or something, was the only story. And I'd written this extended, complicated narrative. And my response then was always, I hope he's caught. I don't want him to see justice done in this case, but also take him out of circulation in terms of...”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  9. “I don't know how young, but African American. Disappeared into over the bridge at 43rd Street over the drive in the vicinity of Ida B. Wells.”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  10. “Was to try to tell the story of one single act of violence and moral stupidity as it sort of radiated through time and through relationships. And I read a lot of the literature of torture and rape as I was trying to bring the project into focus. And what often happens, I think more often than not, is the narrative, it's as if there are two people in the world, the perpetrator and the victim. The rest of the world is kind of eclipsed. And so this was an effort to. Keep Patsy's experience at the center of the narrative, but bring in by degrees the”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  11. “This and other sorts of loss and trauma in their lives. And I think one of the things, I'm sort of coming back to me now as we talk about it, I think there was a hope that I could, on her part, that I could write a book that we hadn't been able to find in the aftermath of the assault on her. And what that book ended up being was an extended narrative, the title of it is working with available light, and an extended narrative of the life of the family in the five years following the assault. And much was made of the fact that it was a man, a male perspective violence against women. And there were people who thought that was wonderful, people who thought that was presumptively suspect. I didn't really think, I mean, obviously I'm a man and speak and perceive the world that way. The compelling thing for me as a writer.”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  12. “It's a good question. I hesitate to speak to her after all these years. I think it was people respond to Violence and trauma differently. And I think some people have an impulse and we see it often to kind of pull their boundaries in and around them and find a way of being safe. And that can lead to a constriction of people's human sympathies and a capacity to extend themselves to others. Often I've seen this, I was with a group of yesterday with a group of mothers who've lost children to gun violence in Chicago, extraordinary group of women, you know, kind of organizing around this. Sometimes people extend their sympathies, their sense of others through these kinds of experiences. That was the way Patsy responded. So I think it was the idea that if there were things in our story that could be useful to others when they encountered”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  13. “No, it's less that, then, I mean, Patsy's impulse was, yes, let's do it. And I think her feeling was if something... Infinitely regrettable Traumatic event, all the better. Question was could I possibly write a good book about this”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  14. “Our kids were four and eight at the time. And I used the image some years later and it still feels apt to me. And I think this happens to people all the time with the entrance of violence into their lives. We were sort of shipwrecked in the midst of everyday life. I mean, that was for years. Same address, you know, but everything different. And above all for Patsy, but also radiating out into the family and for the kids trying to make sense of this for a wider community. A couple of years after the assault, and actually the editor for my dad's book at Harpert, what was then Harper in Rogue? Suggested the possibility who'd kind of lived through those years with us as a friend, the possibility that I might write a book about the aftermath of violence. And I really was skeptical about the idea when it was proposed.”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  15. “Yeah, that's the first step. Yeah. Step by step. You can't push it. She was out running on the lakefront and part of what's so haunting about it, beautiful September day. And within no great distance of Lakeshore Drive with lots of traffic. And she was overtaken from behind, severely beaten. Really, you know, she could have been killed in the incident and sexually assaulted.”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  16. “So, my father's book, the title of which is a worthy tradition, freedom of speech in America, was published In 1988 and later that year, September, my wife, Patricia Evans, who's a documentary photographer and a great athlete. I mean, she would actually ultimately win the Chicago Marathon in her age group several times. Without training, running on the lakefront three in the afternoon.”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  17. “Yeah, so part of, you know, I grew up on the south side. I now live in Kenwood within three blocks of the different places I lived in growing up. I walk past them every day when I walk the dog. So I'm really placed, you know. But I had traveled a great deal before I came back on the occasion of my father's death. And this, as you characterize it, this work on the book was so immersive and 100-hour weeks just inside this. years of the work I sort of looked up and found that I now lived in Chicago again, was really here, was married, had to small children at the time. So all these different things that bind you into the community. You know, I've always been very attached to the South Side, move widely through the South Side, but it became the sort of compelling thing for me to”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  18. “So it was like this, you know, this ecosystem, this geography of his career. And that was the beginning of a process that ended up taking more than a decade of immersing myself in the US Supreme Court's work on the First Amendment, my father's work on the First Amendment, and completing the book and preparing it for publication.”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  19. “I was just beginning a career as a journalist, but in the very early stages of it out in California and actually had spent a couple of years in South Asia and India and sort of assumed I was going to go back and right from there he died in 74. I came home the day he died from San Francisco and in the midst of grief and disorientation went up to, he lived in one of the big University of Chicago family overhoused in a mansion in Kenwood went up to the third floor where his office was, which had been a ballroom in an earlier era for this house and because he had so much space he had this sort of horizontal Filing system or piles of”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  20. “As in my father, Harry Calvin Jr. was a professor at the law school, a constitutional scholar, and his great passion was the First Amendment. So he wrote constantly about it for legal journals, general magazines. And towards the end of his life, and he died at 60, so he died young, he wanted to bring together his thoughts about the First Amendment that had been scattered in publications of various sorts in a single continuous work. And he began about five years before he finally died. When he died, he left a 1,400-page first draft of this sort of masterwork.”

    2016-04-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 38 - Jamie Kalven · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source