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Jamie Metzl

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“Well, really, it's been such a great pleasure. And thank you for creating a forum to have these kinds of long conversations. So I've really enjoyed it and thank you. And if anybody has now listened for what's it been five and a half hours? Thank you for listening. Five hour club.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Process and we all make mistakes and we all kind of travel down wrong paths and just have some love for yourself and recognize that just at every, like I was saying with the Iron Man, just when you think there's no possibility that you can go on, there's a 100% possibility that you can go on. And just when you think that nothing better will happen to you, there's a 100% chance that something better will happen to you. You just got to keep going.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, thank you. I mean, I think there's one, there's lots of, I'm honored if anybody is inspired. But it's the same thing as I said with the science that it's all about values. The core of everything is knowing who you are. And so, yes, I mean, there's the broader thing of follow your passions, a creative mind, and an inquisitive mind is the core of everything because the knowledge base is constantly sharing. So learning how to learn. But at the core of everything is investing in knowing who you are and what you stand for. Because that's the way. That's the path to leading a meaningful life, to contributing, to not feeling alienated from your life as you get older. And just like you live, it's an ongoing.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Each other at scale, but we've come up with these wonderful philosophies about love and all of those things. And yeah, maybe the bonobos have some love in their cultures. But we're kind of a wonderful magical species. And if we just can create enough of an infrastructure, it doesn't need to be and shouldn't be controlling, just enough of an infrastructure so that people are stakeholders feel like they're stakeholders in contributing to a positive story. I just really feel that the sky is the limit.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I do believe that there's a role, I think there's a role for the, at least near term, for governments, but there's always a role for leadership. And I'm, I guess, like a Gramshean in the sense that I think that we need to create frameworks and structures that allow leaders to emerge. And we need to build norms so that the leaders who emerge are leaders who call on us, inspire our best instincts, and not drive us toward our worst. But I really see a lot of hope. And when you say this all the time in your podcast, and you maybe even be more optimistic to me because you look at the darkest moments of human history and see hope. But we're kind of a crazy, wonderful species. I mean, yes, we figured out ways to slaughter.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, one of the things you mentioned cryptocurrency. And then as better than most, there's cryptocurrency. And then underneath the cryptocurrency, there's the blockchain and the distributed ledger. And then, like we talked about, there are all these young people who are able to connect with each other, to organize in new ways. And I work with these young people every single day through one shared world, primarily, but also other things. And there's so much optimism. There's so much hope that I just have a lot of faith that we're going to figure something out. I'm an optimist by nature. And that doesn't mean that we need to be blind to the dangers. There are very, very real dangers. But just given half the chance, people want to be good. People want to do the right thing.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“About these people who are outside of the traditional power structures and who want to have a voice, but I think we need to give a little bit of structure because just going, I'm a big fan of global citizen, but just going to a global citizen concert and waving your iPhone back and forth and tweeting about it isn't enough to drive the kind of change that's required. We need to come together even in untraditional ways and articulate the change we want and build popular movements to make that happen.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Language, and we said, come up with a plan for how this could be achieved, and these brilliant young people in every country, not every country, most countries, they all contributed. Then we had a plan. Then I recruited friends of mine, like my friend Hans Carell in Sweden, who's the former chief counsel of the whole United Nations, and asked him and others to work with these young people and a representative to turn that into what looks exactly like a UN resolution. It's just written by a bunch of kids all around the world. We then sent that to every permanent representative, every government representative at the UN. And that was why working with the German and Spanish governments, why the language essentialized from that document is about to pass the UN. And that doesn't mean that just passing a UN General Assembly resolution changes anything. But we think that there's a model of engaging people, just like you're talking about.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then Greta Thunberg, who has a huge following and who is an amazing young woman. But I was kind of disappointed in what she said afterwards. It became like a meme on Twitter, which was blah, blah, blah. And basically it was like blah, blah, blah. These old people are just screwing around and it's a waste of time. And definitely the critique is merited. But young people have never been more empowered, educated, connected than they are now. And so that's what we've had a process with one shared world where we partnered with the model United Nations, the Aga Khan Foundation, the India Sanitation Coalition. And what we did is say, all right, we have this goal. Water sanitation, hygiene, and pandemic protection for everyone on Earth by 2030. And we had debates and consultations using the model UN framework all around the world in multiple...”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“On the same issue, ensuring everyone on Earth has access to safe water, basic sanitation, and hygiene, and essential pandemic protection by 2030 passed as part of a resolution in the United Nations General Assembly. And we're primarily, I mean, it's young people all around the world. And when I told them in the beginning of this year, this is our goal. We're going to get the UN General Assembly to pass a resolution with our language in it. I mean, first, I think they all thought it was insane, but they were too young and inexperienced to know how insane it was. But now these young people are just so excited that it's actually happening. So what we're trying to do is really to create a movement, which we don't feel that we need to do from scratch. Because there are a lot of movements. Like right now, we just had the Glasgow G20. I mean, I'm sorry, the Glasgow climate change COP26.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not necessarily resist China, but human, our cultures change over time. I mean, the idea of the modern nation-state would not have made sense to people in the 13th or 14th century. The idea that became the United Nations, I mean, it had its earliest days in the philosophies of Kant. It took a long time for these ideas to be realized. And so the idea, and we're far from successful. We've had little minor successes, which we're very proud of. We got the G20 leaders to incorporate the language that we provided on addressing the needs of the world's most vulnerable populations into the final summit communique from the G20 summit in Riyadh. This year, we're just on the verge of having our language pass.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Undermine the UN, which is also essential but massively underperforming. What we want to do is to create an empowered global constituency of people who are demanding that their leaders at all levels just do a better job of balancing broader and narrower interests.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That is, but there's a macro, a meta problem, which is the global collective action problem. And so the idea is even if we just focus on the verticals, on the manifestations of the global collective action problem, there will be an infinite number of those things. So while we work on those things like climate change pandemics, WMD, and other things, we also have to ask the bigger questions of why can't we solve this category of problems? And the idea is, at least from my observation, is that whenever big decisions are being made, our national leaders and corporate leaders are doing exactly what we've hired them to do. They're maximizing for national interest, even or corporate interests, even at the expense of everybody. And so it's not that we want to get rid of state. States are essential in our world system. It's not we want...”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Even matter if one succeeds because all of them have the potential to lead to extinction level events. So, anyways, I gave that talk, and that talk went viral. I stayed up all night the next night and I drafted, I think it was like an insanity, but I think a lot of us were manic in those early days of the pandemic wanting to do something. And so I stayed up all night and I drafted what I called a declaration of global interdependence. And I posted that on my website, my Jamie Messel.com. It's still there. And that went viral. And so then I called a meeting just on the people on my personal email list. And so we had people from 25 countries. There were all of these people who were having the same thing. There's something wrong in the world. They wanted to be part of a process of fixing it. And so it was a crazy 35 days where we broke into eight different working groups.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of the generations who came together in 1945 in San Francisco and the planning had even started before then, who said, well, we can't just have that world. We need to have an overlay. And we talked about the UN and the WHO of systems which transcend our national sovereignties. They don't get rid of them, but they transcend them so we can solve this category of problems. But we're now reaching a point where our reach as humans, even individually, but collectively, is so great that there's a mismatch between, as I said, the nature of the problems and the ability to solve those problems. And unless we can address that broader global collective action problem, we're going to extinct ourselves. And we see these different, what I call verticals, whether it's climate change or trying to prevent nuclear weapons proliferation or anything else. But none of those can succeed. And frankly, it doesn't even...”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Category of problems. And there's a historical issue, which is that prior to the 30 years' war in the 17th century, we had all these different kinds of sovereignty and religious and different kinds of organizational principles, and everybody got in this war and in this series of treaties that together are called the Peace of Westphalia, the framework for the modern, what we now understand as the modern nation-state was laid. And then through colonialism and other means, that idea of a state is what it is today spread throughout the world. Then, through particularly the late 19th and early 20th century, we realized how unstable that system was because you always had these jockeying between sovereign states and some were rising and some were falling and you ended up in war. And that was the genius.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Prepare ourselves to respond to the broader category of pandemics, particularly as we enter the age of synthetic biology. But if somehow miraculously we solve that problem, but we don't solve the problem of climate change, well, kind of who cares? We didn't have a pandemic, but we wiped everybody out from climate change. And let's just say, you get where this is going, that we organize ourselves and we solve climate change, and then we have a nuclear war because everybody's, particularly China now, but US former Soviet Union are building all these nuclear weapons. Who cares that we solve climate change because we're all gone anyway? And the meta category, bringing all those things together was this mismatch between the increasingly global and shared nature of the biggest challenges that we face and our inability to solve that entire”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, background on one shared world. I mentioned I'm on faculty for singularity university. In the earliest days of the pandemic, I was invited to give a talk on whether the tools of the genetics and biotech revolutions were a match for the outbreak. And my view was then, as now, that the answer to that question is yes. But I woke up that morning and I felt that that wasn't the most important talk that I could give. There was something else that was more pressing for me. And that was the realization, or asking the question, well, why weren't we prepared for this pandemic? Because we could have been, we weren't. And why can't, and because of that, why can't we respond adequately to this outbreak? And then there was the thing, well, if we, even if we respond somehow miraculously, overcome this pandemic, it's a pyrrhic victory if we”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, let's go and That's what my girlfriend says. If I was captured and tortured and they were going to interrogate me, it's like at the end they'd say, all right, no, we're sick of this guy. We quit. Let him go. I love it.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now's the good stuff. I've been saving it, and I have to say that. So much of our lives is forced into these short bursts that I'm just so appreciative to have the chance to have this conversation. So thank you for that.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, thanks for asking. And by the way, what I will say is the people who are listening, this is so incredible, and I'm so thrilled to have this kind of long conversation. Who's listening”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I love it. It's great. But if we just said, all right, where's this stuffed hedgehog come from? We would have a full story of globalization, of the interconnection of people all around the world doing all sorts of things. It's beyond our capacity in our daily, we'd go insane if every day, like we're speaking into a microphone, well, what are the hundreds of years of technology that make this possible? But if just once in a while we just focus on one thing and say this thing is sacred. And because I'm recognizing that and I'm having an appreciation for the world around me, it just kind of makes my life feel more sacred. It makes me recognize my connection to others. So that's the gist of it.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Line on the road And so for me, with the cacao, part of when I do these ceremonies is just to say you're drinking this cacao. But there's a person who planted the seed. There's a person who watered the plant. There's a person. And I just think that level of awareness, and it's true with anything like you have in front of you a stuffed hedgehog.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, just of being alive, of just living in this sacred world where we have all these things that we don't even pay any attention to. My friend A.J. Jacobs, he had a wonderful book that I use the spirit of it in the ceremonies, not exactly. But he was in a restaurant in New York, a coffee shop, and his child said, hey, where does the coffee come from? And he's, I mean, he's like a wonderful big thinker. And he started really answering that question, well, here's where the beans come from, but how did the beans get here and who painted the yellow line on the street so that truck didn't crash and who made the cup? And he spent a year making a full spreadsheet of all of the people who in one way or another played some role in that one cup of coffee. And he traveled all around the world thanking them. It's like thank you for painting the yellow.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But if we recognize that everything is sacred, then we'll live different lives. And for the purpose of this ceremony, we're just going to say, all right, we're going to focus on this cacao, which actually has been used ceremonially for 5,000 years. It has all these wonderful properties. But is this people who get that license? And then they're just free and people are dancing and all sorts of things. Is the goal of the...”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so, but I do these ceremonies, and I've done them at tech conferences. I did one in Soho House in New York. I've done it at a place, Rancho La Puerta in Mexico. And every time it's the same thing, because it just, if people are given a license to be free, it doesn't matter. And what I always say is you're here for a sacred cacao ceremony, but the truth is there's no such thing as sacred cacao and there's no sacred mountains and there's no sacred people and there's no sacred plans because nothing is sacred if we don't attribute, ascribe sacredness to it.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Chocolate shaman. And so I thought, all right, well, you know, I'm just going to train myself. And when I'm ready, I'm going to declare my chocolate shamanism. So I started studying different things. When I was ready, I just said, Now I'm a chocolate shaman, self-declared”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Two days later, I was invited to another cacao ceremony, which was also actually part of this Toa. And that was kind of more structured and it was more sane because it was part of this thing. And at the end of that, I had this, I thought, one, how the greatest thing ever, a sacred cacao ceremony, like you drink chocolate milk and everybody's free. And I love that idea because I've never done drugs. I don't drink. But just part of it is because I think whatever, like I was saying with the ultra running, all of the possibilities are within us if we can get out of our own way. And then I thought, well, you know, I think I can do a better job than what I experienced in Berlin. So I came back and I thought, all right, I'm going to get accredited as a cowshaman. And this will shock you because I know if you're going to be like a rabbi or a priest or something, there's some process. But shockingly, there's no official process.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In a circle for 45 minutes. And so I spun around in a circle for like 10 minutes, but then I had to leave because I had to go to something else. And so I thought that was that. But then I saw Viviana the next day and I said, how did the cacao ceremony go? And she showed me these pictures. Of all these people, mostly naked, it turned into chaos. And it was like, hold on, so let me get this straight. People drank chocolate. Then they spun around in a circle and something else happened. And anyway, so then.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so, but I'll have to go back as I was going to Berlin a lot of years ago, and I've always loved chocolate, but I was going to Berlin to give a keynote at a big conference called Toa, Tech Open Air. And so when I got there, the first night I was supposed to give a talk, but there had been some mix-up they'd forgotten to reserve the room. And so the talk got canceled. brochure, they had all these different events around Berlin that you could go to. And one of them was a cacao ceremony. And so I went there and actually met somebody, Viviana, who is still a friend. Going in there, and there was this cacao and these kind of hippie dudes. And then everybody got the cacao. And then they said, all right, as they talked a little bit about the process. And then they said, all right, everyone just stand and kind of, we're going to spin around.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's a great question, and both of my Joe Rogan interviews, that's the first question that he asks. I'm glad that we can't always loved chocolate. And I call it like a secret, but now that I keep telling, if you keep telling the same secret, it's actually no longer a secret, that I have a secret, which is not secret, because I'm telling you on a podcast, life as a chocolate shaman. And so when I give keynotes at tech conference, I say, I'm happy to give a keynote, but I want to lead a sacred cacao ceremony in the night. I'm actually, believe it or not, the official chocolate shaman of what used to be called exponential medicine, which is part of Singularity University. Now, my friend Daniel Kraft, who runs it, it's going to be called Next Med.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Spread out It wasn't really dark moments. I mean, I guess there was one thing where I'd been running so long. I thought, well, I must almost be done. And then I found out I had like 15 miles more. But, you know, I guess with all of these things, it's the messages that we tell ourselves. And so for me, it's like the message I always tell myself is quitting isn't an option. I mean, once in a while you kind of have to quit if listen to the universe, if whatever you're going to kill yourself or something. But for me, it was just, you know, whatever it takes, there's no way I'm stopping. And if I have to go up this muddy hill 20 times because I keep sliding, I'm sure there's a way. It's probably a personality flaw.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Into the rainforest. It was the hardest thing I've ever done in my, it took 19 hours. There were maybe 15 cliff faces, like a real cliff, and somebody had dangled like a little piece of string. And so you had to hold on to the string with one hand while it was in the pouring rain, climb up these cliffs. There were maybe 20 river crossings, but not just like a little stream, like a torrential river. There was some things where it was so steep that everyone was just climbing up and then you'd slide all the way down and climb up. And there were people I met on the way out there who were saying, oh, yeah, I did the Sahara 500 kilometer race. And those people...”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But as I started to tell you before we went live, so I've done for lots of years these 50K mountain trail runs and I was going to Taiwan a number of years ago for something else. And I thought, well, wouldn't it be fun to do an ultra marathon in Taiwan? I looked and that the weekend after my visit, there was a marathon. It was called the, I mean, ultra marathon, it was called the Taiwan Beast. And I figured, oh, beasts, what are they talking about? It's 50K Mountain Trail, and I've done a million of them. And I went to register. And then as part of registration, they said, you need to have all of this equipment. And it was all this like wilderness survival equipment. And I was thinking, God, these Taiwanese, but what a bunch of women. Way too dramatic. You have to carry. Give me a break. 50k mountain drones. So I get there and the race starts at like 4.30 in the morning in the middle of nowhere and you have to wear headlamps and everyone's carrying all this stuff. And you kind of go running out into the...”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of ultras, but it's actually much easier than a marathon because the mountain ones, sometimes it's so steep that you can't have to walk it because walking is faster than running. And every four or five miles in the supported races, you stop and eat blinzes and boiled potatoes. It's actually quite enjoyable.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“With in some steady way, make sure that you take rest days and listen to your body because people like you who are just very kind of mind over matter, like you were telling me before about you have an injury, but you kind of run a little bit differently. And we need to listen to our bodies because our bodies are communicating. But I think if he's kind of little by little, magic is possible. And what I will say is, and I also do, I've done lots and lots of marathons. And I always tell people that the ultra marathons, at least the ones that I do. And I shouldn't misrepresent myself. I mean, there are people who do 500 mile races, the ones that I do are 50K mountain trail runs, which is 32 miles. So I do the kind of the easier side of.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What I always tell is the same advice is register. Take your timeline of when you think it you can be ready. Depending on where you are now, make it six months, make a year, and then register for the race. And then once you're registered, just work back from there what's it going to take. But one of the things for people who are just getting going, you really do need to make sure that your body is ready for it. And so particularly and particularly as we get older, strengthening is really important. So I'll do a plug for my brother Jordan Metzel. He's a doctor at hospital for special surgery, but his whole thing is functional strength. And so I think people know about, and you can actually even go to his website. You can just Google Jordan Metzel, Iron Strength, but it's all about like burpees and just building your muscular strength so that you don't get injured as you increase. And then just increased your mileage.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Very enjoyable, and I hope I'm not disclosing too much about our conversation before we went live, where you're doing so many different things with running and your martial arts. And I encouraged you to do ultra marathons, because there's so many great ones in Texas. It's actually surprisingly a very enjoyable way to spend a day.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it's this thing of possibility. And I just feel like so many of us and myself included, we get stuck in a sense of what we think is our range. And if we're not careful, that can become our range. And that's why for me in all of life, it's all about like we've been talking about challenging the limits, challenging assumptions, challenging ourselves and hopefully we do it in a way that kind of doesn't hurt anybody. And I'm at the Iron Man. They have all these little kids and these little shirts and it'll say, like, my dad is a hero and have the little Iron Man logo. And I want to say it's like, no, your dad is actually a narcissistic dick who goes on eight mile bike rides every Sunday rather than spend time with you. And so we shouldn't hurt anybody. But for me, and also I just find it.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Story. He just started running around the prison yard. And it was just like Forrest Gump. And he just kept running and running. And then he got out of prison and he kept running and he started doing ultra marathons, started inspiring all these other people. Now he's written all these books. As a matter of fact, we just spoke a few months ago that he's planning on running from the Dead Sea to somehow to the top of Mount Everest, from the lowest point to the highest point on Earth. And I said, well, why are you stopping there? Why don't you get whatever camera in and go down to the lowest part of the ocean and then talk to Elon Monk or Jeff Bezos and go to the kind of the highest place in the stratosphere you can get?”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Six miles into the run, and I'll think, I feel like shit. I have nothing left. How am I possibly going to run 20 miles more? But there's always more. And I think that for me, these extreme sports are my process of exploring what's possible. And I feel like it applies in so many different areas of life where you're kind of pushing and it feels like the limit. And one of my friend of mine who I just have so much respect for, who actually be a great guest if you haven't already interviewed him, is Charlie Engel. And Charlie, he was a drug addict. He was in prison. His life was total shit. And somehow, and I can't remember the full...”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's a great question. And I know that you are also kind of exploring the limits of the physical. And so for me in doing the Iron Man's and the ultra marathons, it's always the same kind of lesson, which is just when you think you have nothing left, you actually have a ton left. There are a lot of resources that are there if you call on them and the ability to call on them has to be cultivated. And so for me, especially in the Iron Man and Iron Man.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The funny thing is, so I'm an ultra marathoner and I've done 13 Iron Mans. And people say, oh my God, that's amazing. 13 Iron Marons. And what I always say, no. One Iron Man is impressive. 13 Iron Man, there's something effing wrong with you. We just need to figure out what it is.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's another tool in our toolbox. And I think we should. And I think that Sanjay was absolutely correct to concede the point to Joe that it was disingenuous for people, including people on CNN, to say that Ivermectin is for livestock. And so I definitely think that we have to. We have to have some kind of process that allows us to come together. And I totally agree that the great strength of America is that we empower individuals. It's the history of our frontier mentality in our country. I 100% agree that we have to allow that, even if sometimes it creates messy processes and uncomfortable feelings and all those sorts of things.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I have RMECN. And so Ivermectin, like my view, has always been ivory could be effective. It could not be effective. Let's study it through a full process. And when you had Francis Collins with you, even while he was making up stories about this wrestler, he was saying exactly. But he was saying that they're going to do a full randomized highest level trial of Ivermectin. And if Ivermectin works.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I agree, and certainly we should all be cautious about government overreach. Absolutely. And it happens in all kinds of scenarios with incarceration, with a thousand things. And we also should be afraid of government underreach, that if there is a problem that could be solved by governments, and that's why we have governments in the first place, is that there's just certain things that individuals can't do on their own. And that's why we pool our resources and we, in some ways, sacrifice our rights for this common thing. And that's why we don't have, hopefully, people, murderers, marauding or people driving 200 miles down the street. We have a process for arriving at a set of common rules. And so while I fully agree that we need to respect and we need to listen, we need to find that right balance. And you've raised the magic I word.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To be coordinated by a central government has the potential to increase bureaucracy and increase control. But there are certain things that central governments do, like the development, particularly these mRNA vaccines, which it's purely a US government victory. I mean, it was huge DARPA funding and then the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease, NIH funding. I mean, this was a public-private partnership throughout and that we got a working vaccine 11 months was a miracle.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think it has to be on the conversation. But your parents, when they were in the Soviet Union and here in the United States and actually was a big collaboration between US and Soviet Union, when the polio vaccine came out, there were people all around the world who had a different life trajectory, no longer living in fear and all of these people who were paralyzed or killed from polio. Smallpox has been eradicated. It was one of the great successes in human history. And while it for sure is true that you could imagine some kind of fraudulent vaccination effort, but here I genuinely think, I mean, whatever the number, 15 million, 16 million is the economist number of dead from COVID-19. Many, many, many more people would be dead but for these vaccines. And so I get that any activity that needs”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Can be afraid of the vaccines, the virus itself is much scarier and we're just seeing it now in real time with these variations and variants. I just felt that that was kind of the rough takeaway from that conversation. And I felt that Sanjay, again, whom I love, I felt it could have made his case a little bit stronger.”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and I definitely think it was a success, but I also felt that a takeaway, and again, this isn't because this is something that I don't agree with, even though I have great, as I've said, respect for Joe, I think a reasonable person listening to that conversation would come away with the conclusion that all in all, these vaccines are a good thing. But if you're young and healthy, you probably don't need it. And I just felt that there was a stronger case to be made, even though Sanjay made it. It wasn't that Sanjay didn't make it. It was just that in the flow of that conversation, I felt that the case for the vaccines and the vaccines, both as an individual choice, and certainly, again, as I said before, I think that while people...”
2021-12-08 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source