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“And now move. See, this is what happened with Ted Turner. There was a point in his life. Where he intentionally moved towards the light. Move to the side of the angel, he decided, and he changed himself. God bless him.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And tell him he could be a global hero if he saved the planet. And Pamela Anderson was willing to go with me. And then Ivanka and Jared, it didn't happen. No help getting there It's important to understand what he does and what he says the behavior is the language of the traumatized. And you have to see through it. You can hate the behavior, but you have to see through it to the traumatized person and not hate them. Because if you hate them, then it's, it brings you down. I don't hate him. I don't. Joy Bayar got really mad at me on the when I said that. I feel better. I view all these guys and Musk and the others. They're just, they're not well. It's the not wellness that we see acted out. I'm so sorry that this happened to them in their lives. And I would try to touch that early Trump. But I don't think I'd succeed.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Here's what I couldn't. I tried. I wanted to. I know him. I've met him. He used to really like and admire Ted, my ex-husband, Ted Turner. And I feel because I spent a decade with Ted Turner, I understand Trump a little bit because they have certain things in common, early trauma, at the hands of the father, etc. And in my mind, sometimes when I lie in bed, I have conversations with him. And I want to say to him, you know, I I feel like I understand something about because I lived with Ted Turner for 10 years. You have things in common. Do you understand what's happening? You know, I would try to touch his heart. There was one when he first got elected in 2017. I wanted to go and meet with him with a bunch of really brilliant sexy women. And kneel at his feet And because I thought, well, this would work with Ted.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Know things like if you risk going into an area where there's tear gas, take out your contacts. Thank you for that piece of”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, you know, okay, so not everybody can do that necessarily, but you can join a local indivisible. You can organize your neighborhood. These local pods of people who will help each other when not only the authoritarianism shit hits the fan, but when the climate shit, we have to harden our communities and make them resilient in all kinds of ways, including security. And you can't do that alone. Get to know your neighbors. Know their phone numbers and emails. Talk about who's going to do what if this happens or that happens. And being in the training helps you think in those kind of ways. Right.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I feel so lucky to be born right now. And in order to do it right, I got to do it with other people and make sure that what we're doing is the right thing to do, that it's not just frivolous or it doesn't really make any difference. And what got me to be smart was calling on smart people to help me, to guide me. And I now have a team around me that is very experienced and totally strategic and very connected to the entire ecosystem of movement across the country.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So interesting. And I've started on Substack recently and I just began and people loved, I took them on a meditation with me. And the reaction was so positive that I'm going to do it every time. So that's one thing. Another thing is sleep. Getting enough sleep so that I have energy, because I get very depressed if I don't get enough sleep. Then maybe as important or more, don't be alone. Vulnerable when you're alone, you're vulnerable to depression. You're also vulnerable to danger, to ice, to all kinds of things, to being not impactful. You know, all of us, those of us who are alive right now are blessed because we have the chance to turn everything around.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I meditate and I meditate to keep myself hopeful, to keep myself grounded and to keep myself present. Also, sometimes when I'm meditating, problems arise and get solved.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'd like to be able to have a few wise things, just figure out how you want to be at the end, even if you know you don't have any control over it. And then that informs how you're going to live between now and then. And it's made all the difference in my life. I've gone into therapy at 82 years old, never too late to figure it out.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“When I was 60. I did the smartest thing in my whole life. I realized, okay. I'm not scared of dying. I'm scared of getting to the end with a lot of regrets when it's too late to do anything about it. So that means, because I was confused, how am I supposed to live my last act? How I was supposed to live my last act is so I'll be okay when the end comes. Obviously, none of us know when the end is going to be, but you have to make a vision of how you want. I want to die at home in my bed. I want to be surrounded by loved ones. That means between now and then, I got to be sure people love me. I have to be sure I deserve love.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“People are ready. People are saying, tell me what to do. And right now what to do is get trained. It's called Freedom Trainers. They do non-cooperation 101. I've had them done both on the east and west coast for members of the committee for the First Amendment. Get ready, understand authoritarianism and how it can be defeated and learn how to be safe, develop a community that can help each other. One of the reasons that the resistance in Minneapolis has been so robust is because they were organized. They were trained to know what to do, who's going to be in charge of medical, who's going to be in charge of food. They knew how to de-escalate. We all have to become like Minneapolis. And it can be done again. Freedom trainers is one example of they're training people hundreds of thousands of people all across the country.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Would try to reason with them. I would try to explain that we have to have soil and diversity in wildlife and trees and plants and air and water so that human beings can continue to live here because you're never going to remove everybody from here to some other planet. How dare we? Consider ourselves so much more important that the other sentient things that are on this planet, that we could just dismiss them and assume that a few of us will get up there somehow. You know, is this how you want to be remembered? Even that is a stupid thing to say because who's going to remember at that point?”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, I think that all of them changed because of money. I think it's based on greed. I can't think of any other reason why he's made such a switch. Maybe he was always that way, but he covered it up because he was getting so popular, you know, because he had a little sense of humor and he had all the electric cars and everything. I don't know”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They're being touted as this is the solution to climate. They take just as long to build, which means that we go beyond the red line for climate. You know, 10 years, 20 years is too late. That's how long it takes for them to get online, even the small ones. Another really bad thing is the radioactive waste from SMRs is different chemically than from a traditional reactor. It's exotic chemicals. They can't be mixed together. So now we're talking about We haven't even solved the problem of the traditional waste. Now we have a whole new set of radioactive waste that we have to try to figure out. Also, the use of water and the amount of money it costs, which taxpayers, this is, I didn't realize it. Taxpayers end up paying the bulk of the costs of nuclear reactors, even if they never go online. Yeah. And they're also”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“At our last PAC board meeting, we had a presentation from experts on data centers. They can be less destructive. They can be run on alternative energy. Of course, the Trump administration is opposing. But we decided as a board to, now we not only won't support anybody that's in favor of expanding fossil fuels, but we don't support people that are in favor of data centers or SMRs, small modular reactors. I've done quite a bit of research into these. Oh, good for you to know.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We want to elect as many people as we can to the House. So my team is small, but they have a great deal of expertise and they're looking at which are the winnable seats all around the country. And then in some instances, we just give money. In some instances, I go there. That's always interesting because we triple the amount of money they can raise, we quadruple the amount of volunteers they can get. We also train and we help in many ways besides just giving money.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, because I know I have a platform and I knew that I wasn't using it fully enough and I just made the decision that I was going to do it no matter what. I was going to step up. I've been an activist for decades, but I knew that it wasn't enough right now. And so I'm going to do it. And I just made the decision. And the minute I did that,”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In prison, he said. You know, hope is not about fighting for something because you think it's going to succeed. Hope is about fighting because it's right. And then was president of the country. We never know what the future holds, but it's within that unknown that hope can grow.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Together with her, we created Fire Drill Fridays. And the minute I did that My depression lifted. Then I heard Greta Thunberg say, you know, everybody goes looking for hope, look for action, and hope will come. Hope is very different than optimism. You know, optimism is everything's going to be fine and you don't do anything about it. Hope is a muscle. Hope is when you fight. Hope can be rage filled. Breaking down the door with a battering ram. Baklab Havil was in prison in 1984, 85 by the communists in Czechoslovakia. He was the famous playwright. Yes, of course. Czech playwright. Amazing playwright, too. Yeah. And I'm paraphrasing, but...”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I am part of a long line of very depressed people and for a good part of my life I was a glass half empty kind of gal. Okay, so it doesn't come naturally to me. But I remember there was a time when it was about 112 degrees in Los Angeles and there were wildfires. And I stepped out and I looked at the sky. It was brown, orange, apocalyptic. I read that birds were falling dead out of the sky. I'm a birder. I was so depressed. I got a bird cheater. I got a bird bath and went to bed and it was hard to move. And then I said, fuck it. I said, I'm going to make a difference. And I knew I wasn't doing enough. And so I called the woman who at the time was the director of Greenpeace USA, Annie Leonard. I said, I want to come and make a difference. I want to come to DC and make a difference. I want to raise a ruckus. What can I do?”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And she's the only other person besides me that I know that has done that because I've done that. And it can be done. And I just respect her tremendously for that. I don't do that with everybody, just a few people.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Just that philosophy, I don't relate to it at all. Like there's some point in life where you stop getting better or stop trying to get better or stop mattering. No, I love Chelsea Handler. She is an extraordinary human being. Not many people are able to say, oh, I don't like that about myself. I'm going to change and then actually do it. She has changed.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I can't pretend to have answers to that. I don't know. I've asked a lot of people in the entertainment, business people in the entertainment industry, if Warner Brothers Studio, can it really stand on its own? And they all say, yeah, it can. And so then why not just leave that there remaining as it is this great historic movie factory and maybe the smaller things go to other entities, I don't know. But the major mergers that absorb all these studios, I mean, there were so many more studios when I started out. It's bad for us. Right. And the industry is hurting enough. To then restrict even more is going to really, it's so hard right now to have a middle class life if you're, unless you're above the line A-list actor It's sad, and I don't know what the future is. I don't think the mergers of the solution, though”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that was There were a lot of people saying to do, you know, John Malone and a lot of really smart people. Mike Milken were telling him to do this. And he didn't feel good about it.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There have been a lot of mergers that were, including just towards the end of my marriage to Ted Turner, there was so much pressure on him. To merge with AOL and Time Warner. And then all those other mergers that You know, this is capitalism. You have to keep getting bigger. And it turned out very badly for Zazlov and former brothers. So, you know, I am not even Jerry Levin.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Committee for the First Amendment isn't taking sides in terms of which party that's trying to merge is better than the other. We're opposed to mergers because A, a lot of people lose jobs. We have less bargaining power, we have fewer studios to go to to negotiate. And because Trump has taken over, I can't remember what it's called, merger control, he has say-so now over who gets to merge. He is imposing limits on the First Amendment. He's saying you have to do this, you can't hire this, you can't say these things. In our major cultural and media institutions, We have to stop that.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And what this means is that registering voters and inspiring people to vote as an organizing tool, we have to put all of our energy now into inspiring people to vote. Not even so much to do with who the candidate is. This is a tool that we still have. And if we don't use it now, it's not going to be there later. I mean, this is a real case of use it or lose it. Right.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. And he was like the very first year that we formed the pack. He was one of our candidates. There are people like him. Now, you know, everybody say, oh, you're going to vote for president. It's too soon. We don't know what's going to happen. Between now and 28. And, you know, also the president is already telling us that he's prepared to mess with the midterms. And we can see signs of that trying to do away with mail-in ballots, all kinds of ways in which they're trying to get in the way of a really fair election in the midterms.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Organizers are on the ground In a way that the Democratic Party hasn't been. I think a lot of what's happening today is because the Democratic Party got in bed with its donors and stopped talking to people. Especially in the middle of the country. People used to see the party come in and put money into a community here, $10,000, organize your community. That kind of thing isn't happening anymore. And you can't organize with this. You can rally, but you can't organize. And we have to get back to the organizing. Mamdani's big success was because he talked to people. listened Was local. And I think that that needs to happen again.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But it's important to talk to people To not be partisan, to listen hard and then present all the facts. And it was very simple. That's what we did. McGovern was campaigning. There were campaigns going on. We didn't take part in that. We just talked about what was really happening on the ground in Vietnam, which was contrary to what Nixon was saying. And it had an effect on people.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The big problem now is that the right has taken over all the media. They have their own media and they've been very, very smart in taking over the new media. And so we have to become ubiquitous to the extent that we can. Back in the 70s and 80s, the 60s and 70s, that wasn't the case. And because we didn't have phones, we didn't have, you know, we didn't have this. We had to talk to people. And that was a big difference, and that was both good and bad. It takes longer, it's harder. But when you get through, it's more meaningful. You've really made contact and you've changed people. And so what we did starting in 1972, traveling to 80 cities in three months, two years in a row, we changed people. We went into the middle of the country. And we talk to people where they were. We started at the Ohio State Fair. And that was a huge learning.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's the cornerstone of democracy. It's also the cornerstone of art. I mean, you can't have art if you don't have free expression. But the First Amendment isn't just free speech. It's the five freedoms. It's freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and freedom to protest. And that means for anybody. Know we have to recognize that a far right winger has all those same rights. And if you really believe in the First Amendment, you have to support her or his right, even if you don't agree with it. That's the strength of it. This is a nonpartisan issue, as I said on the Colbert show. This is not a question of left or right. It's a question of right or wrong.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The committee for the First Amendment, I was stunned at the response that we got. From movement leaders all around the country, from Europe, from all the major foundations, wow, you know, if we don't matter, why is everybody so excited that this has happened? And little by little, I began to understand. It's because they're trying to organize other pillars. And if celebrities and people in the arts pillar start to stand up and show courage, it's much easier for people in the banking pillar or in the, you know, the professional pillar to say, well, God, if he can do that, if she can do that, I can stand up and be brave. So it's really, really important.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Ridicule and humor are the best ways of confronting authoritarianism. They don't know what to do about it. The goal of the authoritarians is always to show we're impermeable, impenetrable. We are inevitable. There's nothing you can do about it. And then a kid comes along or a comic and says, look at you with no clothes makes fun of the authoritarianism. It exposes their weakness. It's the last thing that authoritarians want. When we first formed October 1st and launched, there was a lot of publicity.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All over the place. Think the fact that we're attacked, I mean, it's proof that it matters. If they didn't attack us the way they did, then I would think, well, maybe it really doesn't matter. We're called coastal elite. Why are you speaking out? What do you know about this? But the fact is artists model courage. Courage is contagious. Also, comics in particular.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Non compliance strikes boycotts boycotts all those things are examples of noncompliance and ideally they're things that can affect the economy of the country”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Who had posts at the Pentagon and were told they couldn't report on things they were saying. A mass they turned in their badge, including Fox.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because, you know, if you look at the history of authoritarianism, they always first go for art. They go after art and education because those are the sectors that affect how people feel, how they think, we're the storytellers. We can control the narrative to a large extent. So we come under attack right away. So we created this. We now have over 3,000 members and we're being trained in how do you confront authoritarianism because it's different. As you said, it's not just protest. It's noncompliance. And what does that mean? It means what happened when Kimmel was threatened with being booted off his show. And millions of Americans threatened to cancel their subscription to Disney. Whoa, when it affects pocketbooks, suddenly everything changes. That is an example of noncompliance. The reporters who”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So when I won the lifetime achievement award at Screen Actors Guild, I did some research to find out what kind of resistance has been in existence in the entertainment industry. And I was reminded that in the late 40s and early 50s the House on American Activities Committee, when it was and then later McCarthy, were destroying lives and careers in Hollywood, blaming people for or accusing people of being friendly to communists or anyway. Hollywood created the Committee for the First Amendment. My dad was a part of it. And so in October, I thought, now's the time to recreate this.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's starting, but what is not visible, it's like the rhizome underground is organizing is happening all across the country in all the pillars. And that should give us great hope. Also, there's been a major overstepping of red lines and people are really starting to wake up to what's happening. Which leads me to the second, I said two crises climate, and then there's the democracy crisis that we're talking about, this coming to power of an authoritarian regime. They have to be solved together at these two crises. You can't have a stable democracy without a stable climate, and you can't have a stable climate unless you have a democracy. I mean, what we're seeing now is worse and worse things happening vis- ⁇-vis the climate.”
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“Broken through for the first time in American history to every sector of our government. And the theory of change right now is all governments, democratic or fascistic, are held up by pillars of support. And if the pillars of support become weakened, the regime is weakened. Pillars like the military, like the financial, like art, professionals, etc., and so forth.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, protests are important because they force us to see, oh, we're not a minority. We really, there's a lot of us. It's somebody described protesting as flossing the movement. It's important for that reason. But when you have someone in office on the federal level who can be pressured, then protests are really important right now. They're not going to change anything except make us feel good. So, you know, they're important because what we're facing has never happened here, at least to white people. We're facing an authoritarian regime who's...”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're also creating a deep bench for the Democratic Party because some of the people that we supported early on are now in the Senate. And of course this year we are gearing up to help try to take back the House. We'll continue with our down ballot focus, but we will also help take back the House.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Or bend this invested in electoral politics. We only support candidates who don't take money from the fossil fuel industry. And it's a pretty rigorous process that we put our candidates through. And we've had a lot of success. We have last year we supported 79 candidates and 80% of them won. In Virginia last year, we won all 22 races, including flipping nine GOP seats in Virginia. In Pennsylvania, we helped flip the coal mining region of Luzerne County Council. I'm very proud of that. And we have over 50,000 small donors and volunteers across the country, which is extraordinary. And I really, especially once Trump was re-elected, it's become even more strategic in my mind. We're building a firewall.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so we said, and we know the reason, the reason is because so many of our elected officials take money from the fossil fuel industry. And so we decided to create the Jane Fonda Climate Pack. And we decided strategically to focus down ballot. This was five years ago. This is what the Tea Party did. State legislators, city councils, boards of supervisors, school boards, public utilities. These positions have tremendous power when it comes to decision making on climate, you know, whether a toxic dump has to be taken away, whether a pipeline will come through the town. So we started and we have been very successful. None of us had ever done anything like this before.”
2026-02-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Jane Fonda on How to Turn Rage Into Hope · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I'm going to step back to the macro view of it, I think, where basically globally we face two existential crises, climate and democracy. And they're totally interrelated, interdependent, and they have to be solved together. And the clock is ticking on the climate crisis. After the fire drill Fridays, which were the rallies that we had for about five months in DC. In 2019, and then for a couple of years online during the COVID crisis. When that ended, me and my team looked at each other and said, you know, all of us collectively have been involved in decades of protest and civil disobedience and writing books and articles, etc. And we haven't gotten the legislation that we need that's commensurate with what science is saying. This is during the Biden administration.”
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