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Jane McGonigal

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“Yes, absolutely my pleasure, and I hope, you know, I hope we get to revisit this conversation and see how our imagination lines up. And we can talk about the actions we took and what we actually accomplished. So I will look forward to that. 10 years from now, Tim. 10 years from now.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Create positive transformation. People are ready for change. Our minds have been broken open by the pandemic and all the other crazy stuff we've lived through the past couple of years. And so let's see ourselves as living through a truly historic and special, valuable moment. We may never again have this opportunity to create quite so much transformative change so fast. And I want to just ask everybody, don't waste it. Let's not waste this moment. Let's truly change things that need to be changed.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You, Tim. I mean, my big ask is that we do not waste this historic opportunity that we have to create the change we want to see in the world. So you and I, we've talked a lot about the future is we don't want, but we might wake up in any way how to be ready, but there has been so much change so fast over the past two years that I think we all realize that the kinds of ideas we would previously have dismissed as unthinkable or unimaginable, we can change, right? We had a failure of imagination. We were stuck. We just saw humanity do things that would have seemed completely ridiculous and impossible, changing how we live, how we work, how we learn, what we value. So I wrote this book not just so we could be ready for the hard stuff, but so that we can all see ourselves as being gifted with an unprecedented opportunity.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Let me come back to you for the show notes. How about I send your let's send your fans to the show notes for follow-ups on that because I want to get something good for them.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Humiliation. I mean, like, there's so many incredibly powerful emotions that drive our behaviors and trying to essentially invent a new game theory that does not treat people as rational actors. Because if anything we've learned over the last couple years is that people will make very irrational decisions based on emotional and psychological drives.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Should look for the new game theory. So old game theory, which comes out of economics and to some degree political science, assumes that we're all rational actors and we're going to do what is almost mathematically the most optimized choice. We're going to make it. We're going to take it. And people were winning Nobel Prizes for it for decades. And people today, I think, are waking up to the fact that we make choices for all kinds of irrational reasons and a proper game theory, a new game theory should take into account things like we're more motivated by regret, the fear of regret than other forms of psychological incentive that take into account that we actually like to inflict suffering on people that we have a frustration or we have perceived”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And innovate so that if we have to do this, we're not doing it stupidly and we're not doing it in crisis mode. So, man, do I want people to start thinking about what would it be like to possibly have to make this call? Who do we trust to make it? How will we get informed consent from humanity to do geoengineering? That's going to take a while to figure out we need to start now today talking about How we will accept this risk if we need to take it and how we will try to mitigate the harms for people who might be harmed by unintended consequences.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The technology in the process. Who decides to do geoengineering? Are we going to let one company or one country unilaterally act? I mean, what if China just says whatever, we're done with climate risk, we're going to solve this problem, we're just dimming the sun for the whole planet. Like you can thank us later. Is that going to be possible? Right now, the UN has a moratorium on all geoengineering experiments and efforts it's like treated the same as setting off a nuclear weapon. They want to stop people from doing it. We need mechanisms to debate, discuss, educate.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“As much space as we inhabit today, if we don't want to run out of two continents worth of livable space, we probably are going to have to do something to control temperature while we get to clean energy, while we stop carbon emissions. So that's going to take a while. We may need to explore things like solar radiation management, where we just partially block some of the radiation. And so we're trying to cool the earth by injecting sulfate particles into the atmosphere. There are scientists ready to test this. There are delivery devices that have been created. They want to send them up into the atmosphere. They want to test, can we send this stuff up there? We want to run simulations and models of it might create maybe inadvertent flooding or flood risk. I mean, there are things that will have to be grappled with, but if we don't start talking about and imagining it now, we're not going to have time to actually develop.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't see these technological solutions as requiring techno-optimism so much as they require socio-optimism, meaning that we would somehow find a way as a society to enact these potential technological solutions. So the very last scenario in imaginable, and it seems to be everyone's favorite people just love it. It is called the 10-year winter and it tries to imagine how we as a society might decide to go all in on solar radiation management, which is a real geoengineering technology that has been in many people's opinion and my own grossly underinvestigated and experimented with because people are rightfully worried about unintended consequences. But many people also believe that there is absolutely no way to keep this planet. Inhabitable.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To make features we don't want less likely. And that's the power, not accuracy. It's the ability to imagine and take action that we're really trying to get better at.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A better reality. So this obsession with being correct about the future, even though I'm proud of having accurately foreseen certain changes or certain disruptions, I would be much happier if we never wake up in a world where alpha Gal syndrome is so common because we all got more sort of interested in health and like nobody gets tick bites anymore. Cool, problem solved. That was a stupid scenario. That never happened. I'd rather be wrong. And so Alvin Toffler's trying to encourage us, and I encourage everyone, is we stretch the imagination to consider what's possible. And we look for clues as to which possibilities are plausible and what might make an outcome more or less plausible. And then we decide. We take action to make the future we want more plausible or take action.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, here's the problem with trying to be right about the future. And there are definitely people who are interested in this. There's like a whole other school of futurism called Super Forecasting, where you're just trying to be as specifically correct as possible. What will the price of oil be on this date a year from now? What is the exact number of troops that will be sent into this conflict? You're trying to be very, and people try to be as accurate as they can. What Toffler was saying and what I believe to be true is What's the point of being right other than you can feel smart? You can say, aha, I told you so maybe you can like protect or prepare yourself, but what if the future that you think is most possible? The future you think is most likely to happen is not a good future. I mean, do you want to be right or do you want to actually prove yourself wrong and help us all wake up?”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Again, if we were better able to imagine the future before it happened and to prepare people, to actually train people, he had this crazy idea that didn't really come to pass where whole cohorts, whole generations, you would form like clubs, like almost like we have a book club today or like bowling clubs, but you would come together to practice new future skills and it would become this like rite of passage instead of getting a driver's license you come and you learn these like 10 new future technologies to prepare you so that you don't feel shocked. And that does actually sound kind of fun to me. So yeah, he was trying to get us ready and he kicked off the field and all of us who do futures work today, we kind of owe him a debt of gratitude for recognizing that how we feel about change is a huge driver of society's health and our own psychological well-being.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So Alvin Tuffler, he essentially created popular futures thinking as we have it today. So in 1968, he wrote a book called Future Shock. And it was coming at the end of this incredibly turbulent time in the United States where our gender norms were changing. There was a civil rights act finally passed. The economy was changing. People were feeling like they were unmoored new technologies and he had the theory that if too much changes too quickly, that it is like a trauma. We get shocked. We feel overwhelmed. We feel paralyzed. We feel hopeless, unable to cope. And he was observing that there was almost like this mass trauma, too much future, too fast in the 60s. And so he had this idea that we could essentially Future shock from happening.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Alvin Taffler. Wait, before I say who's Alvin Taffler, the other thing is when we write these five minute journal entries, we can share them with each other, which is how we get out of our own head. So that's another reason why you write it down. You don't just want to imagine in your head, because I want, Tim, I want to read your journal entry.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And you will no longer deny the possibility, you will not underestimate the risk, you will spot evidence of change faster. This is why my book is called Imaginable, because we want to be able to imagine the world either that we might wake up in or that we create through our own actions that is better than a world today. So, you know, any of the scenarios that listeners have heard in this episode, they can just go do this now. Literally pull out a notepad. I find it works better when you write by hand because you don't want to edit or censor yourself. So we recommend free writing. You set a timer for five minutes and just write for five minutes whatever comes to mind with as many details as you can. Pick one of these scenarios, future of sex, future of deep fakes, future of whatever we were talking about, Jerome, you know, art and storytelling, whatever you want, and just write a journal entry from this future. It will literally.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Keep a journal from the future where you write detailed entries of what you might experience as if they had already happened. So you have to treat the future like a memory and you're trying to capture it. Or you can think of it as like journalism. But most of us are better at just writing a personal diary than some kind of journalistic account. And when I run these social simulations of the future, the main thing people are doing is just keeping a journal. So, okay, I woke up today and I got the lab results that I do have Alpha Gal syndrome. I have initial sensitivity. This is how I felt. This is the time the phone rang. This is who I told I told my husband first. Like you start to tell the story. You imagine it in vivid detail. The number one thing this accomplishes is that it obliterates normalcy bias. Once you have vividly imagined a future, it is literally imaginable.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“More specific than just saying it's hot, and you can count every color, every sound, every emotion. I'm feeling dread because I don't want to run my air conditioner or whatever. I'm feeling excited because I have access to this new thing. Every detail counts and you can score yourself on the specificity of your imagination. And one technique to improve the specificity of your imagination, which is linked to, again, more creative thinking, more effective thinking, better strategies.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Brain is like you could imagine yourself waking up tomorrow. You know what room you'll be in, what bed you'll be in, maybe what you're sleeping in, what your body will feel like. You have your particular moment in time. If I say 10 years from now, are you going to feel better or worse? Are you going to be with a different partner or not? We don't know. Is there going to be extreme climate change and you're going through some extreme weather? It's harder to fill in the blanks. So one way that we train our brain to be able to think more effectively and creatively about the future is through practices that increase the specificity of our imagination, the number of vivid details. And you can actually measure if somebody's like, okay, I imagine waking up and it's really hot because there's extreme heat in San Francisco now, which is really weird. We didn't used to have temperatures over 100, but now it's like 110 every day. You could go back and count the number of details, 110. That's specific.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely perfect. So, journaling from the future, it's a form of specificity training. So, what is specificity training? Most people, when they try to imagine the future, there's just too many blanks. If I were like, imagine yourself waking up 10 years from today.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's easier than, I mean, you can do this yourself. You can go look for sources of hope yourself. So, for example, in Urgent Optimists, we have a week-long signals of hope scavenger hunt every month. It's a group chat. You just sign up for the group chat and everybody sends each other the signal of change that makes them feel most hopeful for the future. And we have different categories that you can go look for. Like, show me a signal of hope around the future food. Show me a signal of hope for the future of climate adaptation. I mean, you're basically flooding your brain. It's an active habit. You have to intentionally expose yourself, go look for these positive clues. But if you're not good at it, then get yourself in a community the same way when I learn to meditate. I didn't do it by myself. I went to a Sangha and I went to sit in a room full of people who already knew how to meditate so that I could develop that skill and be held accountable. I like to do this.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Unless it's A good car bag. Right. We really like these big game worlds we're all playing together. It's World of Warcraft. It's League of Legends. It's Pokemon Go. We want to be in community. We want to be a part of a bigger game. So Tim, you got to get out of your own head.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To all of these different points of view. And it's why it works for me, Jane McGonagall, the game designer, to have become a futurist because what are the most fun games to play? It's really not the game you play by yourself. It's the game that you're playing.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, that is literally why I run social simulations because I don't want you going into this mental spiral of doom and gloom, first of all, people are at different places naturally in terms of pessimism or optimism, anxiety, or hope. Just were born that way. There's a hardwired nature. There's a biological component. When we do these social simulations, when we place scenarios with scenarios together, you come to the scenario club, you're going to be exposed.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“About weird new risks, you're going to hear about cool new uses. And I like to think it's just like it's essentially a process of opening your mind. And if there's something you care about, these habits of looking for the clues and if you're negative looking for who's excited and what are they excited about to kind of create the balance, who's in charge, who has power now so you can even understand where power is being concentrated? What are the companies that are most advanced in this technology? It's literally just, it's a practice. It's a practice like meditation where we just have to kind of show up with this curiosity actively collecting these clues every day.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And put it Thank you, Tim. That is an amazing suggestion. What else did I learn? I went to Google News and was like, just show me what people are doing with drones right now. And I learned that. Was delivered for a transplant that they couldn't get this organ. I think it was a heart. They couldn't get it there fast enough, except for delivering it by drone. So the first emergency medical delivery. So learning about the positive uses while also learning about what are the rules and policies, who decides to me it became fascinating rather than anxiety producing to expose myself to who is in charge of drones? Is it the FAA? Yes, in part. Is it local parks and recreation? Yes, in part. Because in order to have future power, we have to know who's making the rules because I need to know what the rules are, who's shaping them, who's advocating for what. It's like building urgent optimism. It's like following a string out of labyrinths. It's like you're taking all these twists and turns. You've got your radar up. So you're going to hear.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Hobbyist communities, what are people using them for that is not terrible? So I learned about witness.org, it actually has a drone training program for people to document war crimes, human rights violations, authoritarian governments doing terrible things to create irrefutable evidence. So to be a witness for this, drones as a form of activist journalism and documenting reality. I learned about the emotions that we feel when we look at aerial footage. So drones, it turns out, can create a kind of visceral feeling that I don't even know if we have a word for it yet. It's a strange new positive emotion where we have an almost this kind of godlike omniscience because we're seeing everything from above, but we're moving. We're like swooping through the air, like an eagle. There's an incredible new positive emotion that we don't even have a word for yet.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Warfare, right? And I started seeing drones just out in the world, seeing signs like no drone zone. I didn't know, is that a law? Is that a recommendation? I realized I didn't know what the rules or policies were around drones. I didn't know why. Why are we spending so much time and money developing this technology? All I ever hear about are a lot of the risks. So for me, drone was a space that I wanted to explore and maybe build some urgent optimism and not optimism in the sense of I'm going to become an evangelist for drones and I'm going to be like the preacher's great. I don't have to worry about it anymore. But to increase my confidence that I can imagine a future with more drones. I understand what it might mean, the risks, the opportunities, and that there are things I can do to be ready for it or help shape it. So I started talking to people, looking on Google Scholar, finding”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Let's go back to drones. So drones create a lot of anxiety in people for good reason. They create noise pollution. They create visual pollution. They can be used for surveillance, remote policing, privacy intrusions”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Learn more about the risks. It's so cool to share numbers with people. And man, do I love talking to people who are at sevens, eights on nines on topics that I'm at one, two, or three about is super fun. So I just wanted to put that. It's like a practical fun for you. Talk to people about it. Share your numbers and think about how you might practically increase your urgent optimism on the ones that you have lower numbers for.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“When you think about the next 10 years, how much do you think this topic will change? Scale of 1 to 10. So one is almost no change, everything stays the same. 10 is extreme change. Almost everything is dramatically rethought or reinvented. So on a scale one to 10, how much change do you expect 1 to 10? On a scale of 1 to 10, when you think about the changes that are likely to happen in the next 10 years, are you mostly worried or mostly excited about them? So one is extremely worried, 10 is extremely excited. And then one to ten how much influence or control do you have personally in how this change happens. So one is almost no controller influence and 10 is almost complete controller influence. And not only is it helpful for us to think like, oh, I need to practice some more realistic hope, find some reasons to hope if I have a low number or I need to pay more attention to the world economic forum's global risk report if I'm like at a 10. Maybe I should try to.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I was just thinking of one practical thing we could do that your listeners might like, which is can I just tell you the three questions that you can ask to measure your urgent optimism and give you a sense which of those three habits or skills you might want to practice more. So it's really simple. And I say you can pick this for any topic. So it might be the future of psychedelics for mental health treatment might be something you're interested in or could be the future of college education. So pick a specific topic and then you ask three questions.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's just more secure underground in every way California, we're having more wind, high wind events. And so they just snap and then they spark a fire, and then it's three months of hell. So that's the main reason. But yeah, it increases security overall. One of the games at the back of Imaginable, it's called Welcome Party. And it's an invitation to explore your own tolerance for climate risk. So there's a set of questions to ask yourself. At what point is it a tipping point for you to leave? How many days without power a year? How many days of extreme air pollution? Just asking these questions now so that you don't wind up like the frog in boiling water who never hops out. Right totally”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Rolling blackouts and all that stuff. Yeah. And they just shut it off because they haven't put the wires underground. So when there's winds, they just turn off your power for up to a week. And you just have to, you're expected to work and learn and live and cook, even though literally they're just like, no power today. Yeah. So we have to make, we have to think now about. Where we're willing to live or what we're going to raise hell about like getting power lines underground. I don't think a lot of people have that as their number one thing to protest and raise hell about, but we might want to think about securing our power grid as something as worthy of radical activism as what we've seen social movements in the past around.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Personal mission I'm on to prepare people for up to a billion people to move and possibly to have an incredibly more open and transparent immigration system than we have today so that people aren't trapped behind borders and climate hell, but also in our own lives, even moving internally within our country. In California, so many people I know are like, I don't know if I want to live under extreme wildfire threats for three or four months a year. I don't want to live with this air pollution from the wildfire smokes. I don't want to live with power being preventatively cut off. I don't know if you've had this experience where I live.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so two things around. So, one is be aware, right? So now we have mental flexibility that maybe we can't expect the power grid to be as reliable in the future. That's the first step, right? We acknowledge the possibility, right? And then we look to places where we might have more power to avoid or survive or change it, right? So a lot of people that I know are thinking about climate migration right now. They're starting to think about.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I did do a simulation called Dark After Dark, where we asked people to practice not using anything with artificial light source after sunset. This is for a slightly different scenario than the blackout scenarios, but it was an interesting way to develop essentially calluses for a world in which you might not be able to open up your laptop or turn on your, like that we would have darkness, true darkness again. That was an experiment in just how people's behaviors would change and how much they were willing to change. So it was more of like an experiment than a future forecasting effort. But I absolutely think it's worth preparing for. I mean, just even in general, the reliability of our power grid is very much weaker than it used to be.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There has not been a tipping point yet, I would say. So, I mean, you're getting there early, as we like to say at the Institute for the Future. You'll be one of the people who lets others know, hey, get your phone ready to be in a mesh network in case we need it. So right now, yeah, spend the first five minutes putting it on your phone and test it with like someone you live with, a friend, a partner, whatever. Test it so you know how to use it. And then if you have to converge in an urban center at some point in the future to like recreate the internet, you'll be ready, but it'll help if more people have it. So you might spend five minutes also telling someone else to put it on their phone.”
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“Information being connected with other people's devices, but to me, my mind goes to the future where the government's shutting down the internet for cybersecurity or to stop misinformation or because it's an authoritarian government and they're shutting it down. And we have a company like Amazon being like not so fast. Here comes our mesh network. And they bring up this like totally alternate internet. So they can't be stopped by the government, which by the way, in the United States, it's written to the Constitution. The president can shut down the internet. Legal scholars have recently looked at this and basically the same communications act that allows the president to shut down mail and phone. You could shut down the internet too. She could shut down the internet. Get your phone ready to make your own internet.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You can get an app like BridgeFy, and what they do is if the internet goes out during extreme weather, during a government mandated internet shutdown, which happens in dozens of countries right now, India is a big internet shutdowner to kind of control information and prevent people from organizing. you essentially make your own internet so if you have enough people with this mesh network on your phone you can communicate to somebody's phone within a football field's distance and they can communicate to someone a football field's distance so if you get a community or you get in an urban center a bunch of people you can essentially recreate the internet using just the bluetooth capacities of your devices now amazon is actually trying to do this as well kind of secretly like if you have um a smart speaker from amazon They want to”
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“So one thing that I really want to recommend people do in five minutes, if they haven't done it yet, is to install an app on their phone that can be used to create a mesh network. Do you have any mesh network capabilities on your phone?”
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“Social network. I want it. Who's that person? Learn all their stuff about them. So, you know, you want to be ready for this future. Take five minutes, learn how to apply makeup to interrupt it. I'll give you one. Can I give you one more?”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“During the pandemic, people were like, well, we'll just wear masks. And if we don't want to be surveilled by our faces, we'll wear masks. Well, during the pandemic, there were so many people masking that all of the big facial recognition companies had to learn how to recognize people just by this little band of our eyes. And it actually, the pandemic actually inadvertently made this huge advances in facial recognition because companies now they only need to see this little bit. But you can apply eye makeup to throw these algorithms off their game and it's better than wearing a mask, I think. You know, it's a more comfortable, it's more social and it's fun and it's expressive. So yeah, you know, we might wake up in a world not too far from now where people on their phones have facial recognition apps. I mean, we're not just talking about the government or police having this technology. We're talking about it being in every dating app and every”
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“All right, you got five minutes. Go find a YouTube video for how to apply makeup that interrupts the algorithms used in facial recognition. That's cool.”
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“Learning how to operate a drone for me, very empowering. Drones are clearly going to be a huge part of our culture and infrastructure in the future. I want to know how to operate one, particularly the ones with cameras, because that is really interesting to me. It's interesting me for art, for storytelling, for journalism, for documenting human rights violations or being a witness to things that the world needs to know about for all of these reasons. I just ordered not an expensive drone, a cheap drone on Amazon, and learned how to fly it. I taught my kids who are seven years old now. I taught my daughters how to use it too, because it's just something fun and easy we could do to be ready for a future in which it would be good to know how to use a drone. Another one, have you heard of adversarial makeup?”
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“You're mentally flexible. You're practicing realistic hope. The last thing is future power. Future power means you can make a list of things you can do today that help you either be more prepared for the risks insights you're worried about or prepare for an opportunity in these future worlds or that will change the world in the way that you want it to change. So you're like collecting these just little actions. So I'll give you a few examples of like things that have been good for me. Okay.”
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“Yes, once a week. So I say make it Fridays, future Fridays, easy to remember. And you just type into Google. And I suggest Google News because what you're looking for is new stuff that you don't already know about. So you want the latest. And yeah, you type in Future of Food and you can learn about, let's say, lab cultured meat. Maybe that's something that you would be interested in knowing that maybe you're a vegan today for animal cruelty reasons. But in the future, there will be actual meat tissue grown in a laboratory condition without an animal having to be killed. Like that might give you hope for the future if you're like kind of a, you would rather not be vegan, but you have your ethical concerns. So yeah, you just type it in, future of whatever, and collect, that's those signals of change. And it helps you build your mental flexibility. I don't have to be this way my whole life because the future might give me a different opportunity. Things don't have to continue the same way. We can do it differently.”
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“Type solution for whatever problem you're worried about, you know, solution to climate change. Instead of just worrying about climate change, type it into the Google News and see what weird solutions, like learn more about carbon capture, learn more about geoengineering and solar radiation management. We have to fill our brain with the pathways forward as we're also holding in mind the risk and threats. And this is just like most people tend to have more of one than the other. So we're trying to balance it out.”
2022-03-16 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #579: Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, Trust Warfare, the 10-Year Winter, and How to Cultivate Optimism · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not be the person who gets stuck saying that could never happen or like, ugh, I don't know. I can't even imagine it, so I probably don't have to worry about it. We're trying to improve our ability to imagine things that have never happened. So that's mental flexibility. The second practice is realistic hope. So realistic hope, and I'll give a really good trick for this, but realistic hope is having a balanced mindset where you are both aware of the risks and threats it makes sense to worry about and prepare for and ready ourselves for, but also all of the new technologies, the new policy ideas, the new solutions, social movements, all the positive stuff that could make a better future or help us avoid these risks or transform it into something that is a world we actually want to live in. And one of the simple habits that I teach people to do is just go to Google and”
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