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Jason Stanley

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“And so we need to think globally. And I am thinking globally. But I think the United States, I'm not really sure how when you've seen this and when you've seen what Trump has done, how you're supposed to return to, as it were, checks and balances.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Need that spirit, but I think it's a global fight just like in your tech world, you see very clearly that nations are no longer the basic currency they once were.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I want to say we don't know, and I don't know, but I think that. United States will fall to a sort of far right machine and democracy will be a thing of the past. That's what I think with some moments of enormous anarchy, but it will basically become a semi-dysfunctional nation run by a kind of far right machine.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, the problem with an autocracy. How do you go back from that knowledge? You know, the courts are lost. The machine behind Trump, they won't have a charismatic leader. J.D. Vance is not a charismatic leader, but it's not clear to me they'll need a charismatic leader. But anarchy is always the result of an autocrat dying in office, right? So we just don't know.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, we need charismatic authority. We need a leader with charismatic authority. Trump is very authentic. He's an authentic liar. So I see obviously AOC as having the kind of authenticity and charisma that would be needed in this moment. But whether she can appeal to a nation that is so fond of patriarchy, I don't know.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Problems is we don't have what Derek Bell called interest convergence. We don't have the United States facing a Cold War where the other side is calling them a white supremacist nation.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, we're going to see with the ice raids on immigrants. We're going to see whether Americans are capable of that kind of empathy because they're going to get much uglier and we're going to see resistance because people who underwent so much to come here, it's existential. I mean, think if you're going to be sent some strange place. It's the end of your life. So it's going to be this existential moment and these concentration camps are going to be brutal. So we're going to see huge military force arrayed against immigrants. And, you know, I think immigrants will be fighting back in some way with nonviolent means, for example, and that we can hope will be effective on the American conscience. I just hope that we will have strategic nonviolence. But one of the”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Know things that they like that the election in 2020 wasn't stolen, but they think that's like not my side. My side doesn't say that. So there's a lot of that. There's a lot of deep, deep, just mistrust of the other political sides on both sides. Know the problem is there's a war footing and we have to see it as a war footing as we can see with redistricting now. So we're in this kind of problem where democracy is under existential threat. And I think conservative Republicans belong in a democracy. What I don't think is this anti-democratic forces destroying democracy belong to democracy. This is a very old problem, tolerating the intolerant. How do we address this problem?”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I am Deborah. I am a member of the MIT faculty where I direct the Center for Constructive Communication and I also am co-founder and CEO of Cortico affiliated nonprofit. My question for Jason is when we think about today's tech-driven public sphere where information is fragmented and tailored to individuals and where trusts and institutions and experts have plummeted, how can we rebuild what philosophers sometimes called common knowledge, a shared set of facts that everyone knows, and importantly, everyone knows that everyone else knows, etc. My thesis advisor is one of the main theorists of common knowledge, and he's at MIT. So, yeah, democracy requires structures of trust. It requires a background of common knowledge, and that has completely fractured. I do think that one thing to recognize is that a lot of people”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What I'm hoping in Canada is we can have that kind of coordination. Canada is not in the center of things in that regard. And so it seems to me a relatively safe place. Though I also view my job as to illuminate for my new country the dangers that they now face”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, academics can almost never move. That's why it's such a privilege to have received this opportunity and this offer. But I intend to have a, I mean, I have a global perspective. It's hard to have a global perspective in the United States. The noise is so intense. But I think it's vital to have a global perspective. If you don't understand the connection between Germany's fascist party and the Trump administration, you're not informed enough. And so my plan in Canada is to create a safe haven for journalists. I'm fundraising to create a place where journalists and civil society leaders from all over the world can come and pool their resources and knowledge to explain to each other what's going on in their countries just like the global fascist movement is doing. They're all in communication. That's why”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I've never worried that much about that kind of thing, those sorts of opinions of people, because I tend to be, you know, I've been challenging Trumpism now for actually 15 years because my first New York Times piece was about birthrightism. But I've been pretty loud and open and have been targeted many times. Many people who make these charges haven't done the things that I've done. They don't go to Ukraine regularly. They don't put themselves out there. So I just don't, I'm just not moved by that. Of course, I am moved when Karis Wisher says it to me. Because Kara Swisher is another brave person who I respect, but I'm completely unmoved by people who haven't been in this fight for a long time.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. No, I wasn't scared. I saw it more as an expressive act when I did it. I saw it more as an expressive act, as an act of sending an alarm. It sort of seemed very abstract to me. So much of my work has been about sending an alarm. So this was intended to send an alarm to the world, saying, look, things are bad in the United States. Now, an expressive act, it's not up to you to decide whether or not that expressive act was the right one. As someone I deeply respect recently said to me, this is an expressive act that the fascists like.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“About what is happening in the United States. But the second and more interesting perspective is what will you do in Canada? And that chapter has yet to be written. I feel a great responsibility to do something about the global rise of fascism and to see it as a global rise in Canada, which I feel is honestly a place of relative safety compared to other countries in the world. And I include Germany in that. So, you know, with the rise of AFD, Alternative for Deutschland. So I think whether or not it will have been the right decision depends upon what I'm able to do in Canada for democracy.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I probably would have stayed if I didn't have children. I have black Jewish children, and I've had longstanding worries about Their safety in this country, even though we're very privileged. And so that, you know, obviously class plays a role. If you're poor and white, it's also a very dangerous country for you. So that played a significant role. I also think it's strange now to judge this decision. Mosid Hamid, the writer, recently said to me, there's two perspectives on your decision. One is that you are sending an alarm to your fellow Americans.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, partly it was effective because there's a generational battle between my fellow Jewish people. Jewish students are, by and large, many of them are very critical of Israel. The opinions are very divided. The younger you go, the more... One of the largest identity groups in those protests are Jewish students. They get erased and they were erased by the mainstream media. And then we have more erasures of history where Muslim students at Harvard report in much larger numbers feeling that their speech is chilled than Jewish students. But that gets erased.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“As a professor, has been occupying spaces dominated by donors, by boards, by administrators who are not responsive to issues of equality and diversity. So in 2015, the thing that Hyt and Lukianov were responding to was when Black Lives Matter moved onto campuses in 2015-2016. It started with University of Missouri and then moved to Yale University, where one of our colleges was named after John C. Calhoun, the sort of foremost proponent of slavery. And three black students, philosophy majors, had come to me in September 2015 and told me no one had ever seen a black person on a philosophy syllabus. And so that was the impetus. And then to be ridiculed, dragged over the coals. For that utterly legitimate concern. That's what I witnessed, and I witnessed my fellow professors responding with fear when they were actually the ones in power.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So definitely saw like Abraham Kendi, I did not agree with that. I did not agree with his ideology. I thought a lot of the movements, I thought, you know, the idea that you're going to end patriarchy and end racism in a few years was obviously lent itself to problematic accesses. But everyone around me, the university is part of the world, is part of the country. And so just as people were panicked about wokeness outside of the university, inside of the university, the university was dominated by anti-white men panicking about a few more women. Which is not to say that I agree with diversity statements. It's not to deny that, you know, sometimes people were just idiotic in the service of otherwise laudable goals. But in general, my entire 29 years”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Whole sit down and shut up unless you belong to an oppressed group. None of that I was in favor of. However, it was not something that I experienced as anything near as powerful as the power of anti-woke white guys. It has never been the case in my time in university that the power of anti-woke white guys complaining about feminism. And that's always been the dominant voice at universities. And so, you know, my department at Yale, which was a liberal progressive department, we hired our first tenured black professor last year.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, absolutely. I mean, the 90s political correctness thing William F. Buckley drew attention to this issue of the liberals not allowing conservative speech. It's a very old topic in American life. It is not new. What's new is self-described liberals becoming William F. Buckley. And then the main institutions of the main newspapers backing that, not with articles not written by professors, but just by people claiming their liberals. And so, of course, there's always things to critique diversity statements. That was absurd, like the loyalty oaths. There was definitely overreaches and excessive performances of, you know, the”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So you want to zap the agency out of ordinary citizens in an autocracy and just have them stand back in worshipfulness of these powerful great men. And then they feel, well, that's how history is, nothing historical came from groups of ordinary people. In the case of the United States, you have something historically particular, which is the role of the public school in combating racism. So in the South, the black Americans fought for the establishment of the public school in the South. Not just for a liberal education for their kids, but also so that white students and black students could encounter each other's perspectives. So the public school is always in the United States. Target because of its role in racial equality and racial understanding.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In fact, in Mein Kampf, that's exactly what Hitler says. He says education should take the form of just teaching about the deeds of great men of the race.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so as Vladimir Putin said, wars are won by teachers. So we had progressive education for a while. We still do. The idea is to empower citizens to give them a sense of agency, teach about social movements for positive progressive change, for equality. And that kind of teaching where you teach about what ordinary people do to affect social change is very dangerous for autocrats because autocrats don't want people to know that they have power. They don't want people to know that large social movements can challenge hierarchies. So you get rid of that. You get rid of labor history. You get rid of black history. You get rid of movements for LGBTQ rights and women's history. And you say, history is just the deeds of great men.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm aware of Kara. They should. That's what Central European University did. Maybe they had to. But imagine if you're a non-wealthy family in Beijing or a wealthy family in Europe. Are you going to send your kid to a place where they have no freedom of thought or freedom of expression? Or imagine you're a political science professor who's not a U.S. citizen. Suddenly you're really under threat if you speak, even about your area of expertise. You ask what's going to happen. That's going to get more and more extreme. Khalil Mohammed told me and Martha's Vineyard book festival that settler colonialism, the concept of settler colonialism will be used as a basis for, if you teach that, it'll be a basis for sort of anti-Semitic bias. So we're going to see more and more of that. And so the settlements insofar. As they”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, no, they should move. We need. Harvard should move to Canada, like Central European University moved to Canada. One of those universities should just leave.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Supporters to Nazis. I am not doing that. However, if you were to have a lot of Nazis in your country, it would be crazy to say we have to fill the universities with them.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“DEI for conservatives. Let's be clear there are hardly any Trump supporters in science departments. There are hardly any registered Republicans in science departments. And that's because of the extreme nature of the Republican Party. It's become an anti-science party, an anti-knowledge party. But I think that they're going to try to correct that. They're going to try to bring in more right-wing students. They're going to try to bring in more right-wing faculty across the board. And then a bunch of it is just going to be corrupt. You're just going to have to hire some cronies of Trump in order to make nice. So this idea that you have from some of the mainstream press, like, oh, the United States has lots of Trump supporters, so you should have Trump supporters everywhere in the university. I mean, let's just look at the reasoning behind that. I am not comparing Trump's”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, the idea that they were run by cultural Marxists was always absurd. And there were certain elements of the last five years like diversity statements that I disagreed with pretty strongly. But I saw them as more like bureaucratic overreach than the workings of some malevolent cultural Marxists who somehow unbeknownst to everyone were controlling things. So we have a lot of sort of people who already were disturbed by the number of women coming up through the ranks as faculty, things like this. And I think this is true of all of our institutions. There's some amount of sort of self-capitulation of saying, okay, you know, we wanted to get rid of this stuff anyway. But I think that what it's looking like is they're going to do DEI for Trump supporters.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Don't appear so. It appears that the United States is exceptionally vulnerable to fascism. We have the largest prison system in the world and we're already to a large extent a racist police state. And the theory of fascism is that when you have that, when you have that kind of, I mean, there's this notion of the dual state, right? Under fascism, you have Frankl's dual state that you have one state that allows the favored group to do what they want and the other state that is sort of a more regular structure. Now, you don't have the exact same thing in American history, but Du Bois talks about two systems of justice, one for white people and one for black people. And we've long had that. Poor people and racial minorities.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“When I say cartoonish, I mean it's a kind of paint by numbers fascist dictatorship that is emerging. It's something that you would read a book and it says, this is what they do and that's what they're doing. Sometimes I feel like they're reading my books. You know, it's not hidden. It's not a sophisticated version of authoritarianism. It's not even as sophisticated as Putin.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, rent and origins, as you know, says a totalitarianism bumps up against reality and founders on those shoals. But I think that's more a hope than anything else.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It feels very chaplainesque, right? It's a kind of every kind of, okay, well, you know, we're just going to have the museums turn into glorification of the nation. We'll slap Trump onto Mount Brushmore. I mean, the whole thing seems chaplain-esque. And then, you know, it's such a commentary on this putative exceptionalism of the United States that we would fall for such a direct I mean this is not Paul Kagami we're speaking of, the leader of Rwanda.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think he cares about credibility. This is all cartoonish, right? Kara, this is just straight out of some novel that you would write about an authoritarian. I mean, facts are relevant. All that's relevant is what makes the leader look good. So, you know, that's why history is a danger. The nation has to be great. Anything the nation did that wasn't great has to be erased. Any facts that run counter to the idea that Trump is the greatest leader in history?”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Great question, Tara. I think at this stage, things are moving very rapidly, but it's also the case that some things, and Orban realizes this, are just not that relevant to them. Like they're not, you know, some intellectuals talking just don't harm them. If anything, it feeds into their narrative. But Putin, now Putin doesn't tolerate any of that. Putin is going to crush any dissent violently, but that took a while to happen. And it could be that we will skate along with them saying, well, you know, as long as this person isn't, you know, is not effective in their descent, we'll leave it alone because it doesn't matter.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And they're not even hiding what they want to replace it with. They want to replace it with an American exceptionalist narrative. That's what they say. And it's so ironic, right? Because the American exceptional narratives that the United States is a free country, a free democracy, and at the very same time as they're showing us not to be exceptional at all, they're imposing an American exceptionalist narrative by law.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, there's the super obvious stuff like shutting down the media, shutting down the universities, changing the school system. I mean, a lot of people didn't see that as much, which is why I wrote Erasing History, because I knew people weren't going to predict that the attack on the universities, but I knew that was going to be like one of the first things because it's fascism. And so that's, and education is central. Museums, culture and education are central here. And so you have to take over the education system. You have to take over the museums because the museums are part of the education system.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I published how fascism works in 2018, and other people as well were saying Trumpism is fascism. And one of the major objections was where's the cultural element? So, you know, fascism involves a takeover of culture and linking of culture to the greatness of the nation, an exceptionalist narrative. And it's exactly what we're seeing. In fact, this was the objection to calling it fascism, that he wasn't doing this. So now we see the kind of autocratic structure of the White House, the gold leaf everywhere, the kind of Gaddafi-esque structure. Gaddafi wasn't a fascist, but obviously he was a despotic autocrat. And now we're seeing the kind of cultural takeover in the service of the greatness of the nation and the greatness of its leader that we would expect if this were fascism.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Question. There seems to be more anarchy here. I guess this is one of the objections that it's not fascism people would make, that there's too much anarchy for it to be a coherent ideology. We're familiar with that point. But I think that Trump's supporters want him to bring these wars to an end. So I knew intelligent people who thought Trump was going to bring the war in Gaza to an end and bring the war in Ukraine to an end and stop funding Israel with weapons to do its genocide and for weapons for Ukraine and I am not for supporting Israel's war in Gaza. But I think there are people his supporters, JD Vance, for instance, were people who were invested in him bringing these wars to a conclusion. So I see Trump, especially with Russia and Ukraine, I see him under a lot of pressure, internal pressure.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's a great question. I assume that's a question for both of us, Kara. I could throw it back at you and we could discuss it. I think neither of us really know. I mean, there is that 1984-esque kind of now we are at, we've always been at war with Oceana thing going on. Orwell sets it up as if it's deliberate, whereas with Trump, one has more of a feeling that it's chaotic.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's very natural. That's why Sodom and Gomorrah appears in the Bible. There's something about the rural urban divide that speaks geographically and centrally to humanity. So DC, because of its historical associations, he can tell a fake story that draws on racism, that draws on America's sort of founding sin, genocide of Indigenous people and racism. So that's what he's doing. What you do is you draw on stereotypes, you draw on myths about oppressed groups to basically create a sense of emergency and then take over. Right. And that's what we're seeing.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. So it's clearly racial in character in the case of DC. It's part of the, here we need to bring in American history and not European history and look back to this idea of black-run black majority cities during Reconstruction being described as corrupt. So that and lawless. This idea, this is a chapter I talk about in my book, how fascism works called Sodom.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, I don't think you would say that Hitler in 1934 was in the early stages of fascism. He was a fascist. And I think that we're looking at a kind of 1934 kind of moment. It's tricky because, you know, I mean, Trump is declaring emergencies left and right, right? So, you know, it's the same strategies we're seeing. We can talk about whether these strategies are things he got from books or whether they're just natural reactions if you want to take over.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Pro equality Jews. So Hitler focused on Jews. I think actually nuts and Yahoo is right now showing himself to be a fascist along historically horrific dimensions. I think with Trump with immigration, we're seeing concentration camps. We're seeing something very similar to the German storm up Teilung. ICE looks very similar. Hitler was like, okay, uniforms. And so we're seeing something eerily similar to that move. And we're seeing concentration camps. But, you know, we didn't have the final solution in Germany until 1941. So really, I mean, my family was living in Germany in 1937 and 1938. It wasn't until Kristalnacht that things really got... Extremely extreme.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Focused on Jews as the sort of force behind feminism and liberalism. This is what people don't understand. Just a short pet peeve tangent. It wasn't Orthodox Jews that appear in Mein Kampf. It was Jews like me like leftist.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Patriarchy is very central because the glorification of men's exploits in the past and women's equality threatens the primacy of men. And that's part of this great pure mythic past that is supposedly being destroyed by foreigners and liberal equality. What we have in terms of ranking of fascists, I mean, it's pretty typical to say that Romania was particularly horrific. We have to distinguish the old right from the new right. So I would think if you're looking at Mussolini, you're looking at someone who himself, I mean, Ethiopia, he invaded Ethiopia. That was obviously a race war. But it wasn't the kind of genocide, efficient genocidal mania of Hitler. And Hitler, of course,”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So I think of fascism as sort of based on great replacement theory. The idea is that the nation was great and its greatness consisted of the exploits of its great men. And then the idea is that foreigners are coming in and destroying the nation's greatness. They're polluting the blood of the nation, as it were. And so great replacement theory is central here. And the mythic path is central, this idea of a past that was once great. That is what you see in India now. The idea that there was a pure mythic past, a pure Hindu past. So purity is very central here. We see purity entering into the description of immigration or foreigners or people regarded as other and that there's some kind of pollution. And then we need to get back to rigid gender roles according to fascism because we need to repopulate the nation with the pure people of that race.”
2025-08-18 · On with Kara Swisher · Why Trump’s Cartoonish Fascism Is So Effective with Jason Stanley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT