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1. “You know, just sort of have fun at the expense of. But to go back in history and find people who inspire you to appreciate, for example, what good government can do or what education is about what journalism can be about how much those institutions can actually be a positive part of our lives, especially if you focus on individuals who do truly heroic things. And I think that's I'm a reader of Shakespeare. I wish I could imagine getting to those levels that he gets to, but I do think many of Shakespeare's best plays were based on history to say something about what life was about now. And that's I'm inspired by that idea.”

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2. “Yeah, very much so. And I think like Spielberg did with the post, to tell a story that's inspiring about something in history seems like an opportunity. We're so enamored with the anti-heroes and culture and we're, I admit, I'm one of those people who loves this sort of cynical, smart ass point of view that comedy can often take to undercut institutions and sort of”

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3. “The Vietnam War protests. Again, I think almost it's almost like doing science fiction or you go because you can tell stories about what's going on now by talking about something in the future because people are less predisposed to question something, you know, they're less prejudiced about the issues if it's not their world. You're not talking about their world right now.”

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4. “That's a really good question. I think I just love great stories and I'm not a screenwriter so much. I end up writing a little bit on everything, but there's so many great stories that already exist in life. I've always been a student of history. And I think we have to remember it's how sometimes we have to figure out how we go forward into the future. And I enjoy digging into it. It's almost like my late-in-life graduate school in history. So I very much enjoy going into very specific parts of history that can speak to us.”

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5. “And he never really talked about it much because he had been ostracized by both the right and the left now that he had named names. But so he seemed, in retrospect, as I started to do more research about him and other Hollywood 10 members, he seemed kind of like a tragic figure. And I got some of that feeling into through the Edward G. Robinson character that Michael Stubarg played because Stuhlbarg was, excuse me, Edward G. Robinson was also complicated like that. He actually helped finance the legal fees of the guys who were blacklisted at first, but over time he couldn't work because he couldn't act under a pseudonym. And he ends up going and testifying. And so it was a very tragic kind of deal with the devil he had to make late in life.”

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6. “You know, I wish I could say that was the inspiration. It was related to my interest in it later, but I had forgotten about it. Eddie Dimitrik had been blacklisted and then actually went to jail for a few months and then came out and actually named names. So he was a complicated part of the Hollywood 10 story.”

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7. “Absolutely. He actually began to embarrass the studio system late in the blacklisting process. He started not only writing some really great films, The Brave One, which he wrote under the name Frank Rich. I'm maybe flipping that. He wrote Roman Holiday Under One, but I think the brave one was Frank Rich.”

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8. “Through these formerly communist screenwriters who were hypnotizing Americans. And that just wanted to understand that I didn't remember. I knew about the McCarthy hearings, but I didn't know much about the Hollywood Blacklist, which was a whole separate thing.”

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9. “I read his letters from jail to his wife. That was really what hooked me on that story. He's one of the most articulate poetic, just one of the best writers I'd ever read and I loved Spartacus. I loved Roman holiday. And I just couldn't reconcile this guy who'd actually made fairly patriotic films during the war suddenly being portrayed as an enemy of the state. And that whole notion of how bad ideas are spread and the bad idea that was spread by the sort of red baiting communist hunters at the time was that people were actively polluting the minds of Americans through Hollywood movies and it was all coming through these.”

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10. “Sort of hone in instead of trying to cover the whole thing and capture every aspect of something that goes on for many, many months in a two hour or four hour thing to find one point of view, one chronological and even geographical box to stay in and let the audience figure that out in depth and not try to be so.”

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11. “And could get things done in a really competent way. I think it would be, I actually had advocated, even if we were going to go forward with that project and waiting quite a while because I wasn't sure people would want to see Trump portrayed anytime soon and that there would be anything. It's not like we don't see a lot of them. And I feel like, especially with some of the books that are written, pretty much your worst fears have been confirmed anyway about what goes on in that White House. So it might have been tough to say something. I actually thought maybe telling the story of that campaign from Clinton's point of view might have been an even more interesting way to go at it. And I've found in making my films, it could have been a series, and we might have done it as a limited series, that if you can...”

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12. “Insecurity Even more fragile, I think, even more of an ego and an identity that is so terrified of having any cracks in it that the propping up of the exterior is so desperate all the time, you know, in Trump's case. I think Johnson was a little more like screw him, I'll do it and I'll get away.”

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13. “Well, I don't, you know, I don't know who we looked, we've looked, we did look while we were working on it for candidates. And I'm not sure who's the best person to play him. There have been some great caricatures. I remember when we were casting for the Sarah Palin movie, Tina Fay, everyone said, why don't you just get Tina Fay? And we were like, no, we're actually want to do something a little different. And it's one of the reasons why I put a scene in the film where Tina Fay, as Sarah Paling is being watched by Julianne Morris, Sarah Paling. I always pictured real Sarah Palin watching the two. Which she undoubtedly did. But to show the difference, this is a performance trying to capture the humanity of something. And this is a performance which is trying to satirize it and really powerfully.”

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14. “Of the injustice complicated guy really did incredibly noble things and then had this other side that speaking of complicated guys.”

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15. “But he was, you know, some of that behavior towards the civil rights movement was not justifiable. It was pretty atrocious. But he would argue, I'm sure, that he was able to do good for that community as well because he understood the dynamics. And he did change all of that in the South for at least those years.”

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16. “He was a very practical, politically to a fault. I mean, keep in mind, he, you know, he and Hoover were actively surveilling, you know, Martin Luther King throughout that whole section. They were so Johnson was so worried that King wouldn't Dr. King would not kind of help him convince black people to stay in with him and that they could trust him and he also knew if he felt if they kept in his mind making trouble that the white voters would turn away and he was making a pretty bold move kind of walking away from all the southern Dixiecrats accurately.”

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17. “Because he, I don't know, maybe imagined how he was perceived, he kind of underplayed things in public. I mean, in private, according to everybody we talk to, he was a very charismatic man, a very convincing person.”

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18. “And Again, something I could relate with. He was powerful. He actually, in public, some of his speeches were, I remembered this too, were not that compelling. He wasn't a problem being, and he, I think.”

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19. “The huge arts initiative. Not since FDR really was as much legislation passed that was aimed at making people's lives better. And the commitment to good government, not more government, not less, but just good government doing good things for people to improve their lives. I couldn't believe. What I discovered of his commitment to that.”

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20. “Revered president. Absolutely. And just being the guy from Texas who went to Texas Teachers College and against all these Ivy Leaguers and whatnot. And my parents are Texan and I grew up with LBJ in a way as a interesting figure that he was complicated because by the time I really came of political awareness, he was already deep in the Vietnam. Catastrophe and had decided really when he decided not to run in 68, I was 13. No, I was 11. And I just remember the... Animosity towards him over the war. So I didn't really know much about those early years when he passed so much incredible legislation, not the least of which the Civil Rights Bill of 64 and the Voting Rights Bill 65.”

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21. “As a character. Again, the easy way in for me at the beginning, but it went past it in this case, was the anxiety dream of being the accidental president, you know, and coming into the White House with a lot of the Kennedy people who he knew hated him and talked about him as Uncle Quan Pompe.”

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22. “Characteristic of almost every film I've worked on except the Austin films movie, but they're all in a way kind of reliving a nightmare, asking the audience to come into the nightmare and live it with me because these were anxieties I felt but I could empathize and project into people like Steve Schmidt and Ron Kla. What it might have been like, and then try to re portray that to the audience But Steve Schmidt's nightmarish thing of realizing he'd kind of made a deal with the devil and now had to cope with it for that whole campaign was really powerful to me and a really great cautionary tale. Almost Shakespearean, you know. The way that worked out”

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23. “And much like with Ron Clain and the recount thing, finding Steve Schmidt, and again another friend of mine, great guy, a really interesting guy to get to know and to relive an anxiety dream. There is a common”

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24. “Then I found out that they had actually not only did it exist, but HBO had it. And then we started at first talking about doing the Obama Clinton campaign. And I said, yeah, that would be great. One, he's in office and I feel a little, I don't know what how hesitant I'm going to be about certain aspects of telling that story since he is the president of the United States And two, the interesting part of that came pain from in that picturing those choices about Sarah Palin were in the weeks after the conventions and going into the final election. And it was very dramatic and I was just rereading that section in your book too, how it looked like from what it looked like from the Obama campaign. But just the series of events”

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25. “Sure. You know, it was a very specific interest I had. There was something that happened when we were out promoting, I think it was recount in September of that year went not that long after McCain had announced Sarah Palin. And I spoke to Len Amato, the executive there at HBO. Wouldn't you like to have been in the room where someone came up with the idea of Sarah Palin realized pretty quickly, oh, that's kind of a good way to augment whatever McCain's got going on and then realized, oh, except there's a lack of preparation, there's a lack of qualification. And then you found Steve Schmidt. And then we found, and then I found Steve Schmidt, and I found, I didn't know there was a book. At the time, I didn't even know about Game Change, the book when I pitched it first.”

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26. “Deserve a safe place to work. They're entitled to respect and perpetual respect, not situational. You know, I applaud the push. It's got some awkward collateral damage that goes on, but I'm really happy that it's. Yeah, well, maybe.”

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27. “Yeah, it's a good question. I don't know. I would certainly confront the person. The only confrontation I've ever actually had with a movie star where I was actually yelling at the person was not over sexual harassment, but just bullying another actor, a woman actor. And I'd like to think I would be completely intolerant of it. If you're in the middle of a shoot, it becomes complicated how your responsibilities are. Oh, yeah. And look at the a lot of shows that have been shut down. But if someone is behaving, look, women...”

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28. “Yeah, I mean, it's one of the reasons why I tend to believe every woman who's come forward, what they risk to come forward is you wouldn't just do that to get attention. So first of all, give those brave women who've come forward and men the benefit of the doubt right off. And I don't have a good answer for how it's not, it wasn't how everybody didn't know about. The way I work on my sets, first of all, I have a lot of women heading a lot of the departments, especially line producer and AD sometimes, which is very often the people who are in charge of how the process works. I'm in charge of the creative stuff, but they're the people running the set, you know, the first idea especially. And when a woman is running it, the vibe is. Well, let me say it.”

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29. “Revelations come out, you know. I've worked with a few people who've been affected by it, and I maybe it's just they don't confide in me. I'm not around at the right time. Obviously, on the set, very often, I'm the last to be around during any of the personal sufferings. I'm usually working so hard. But it was, as it has been with everybody else, it was shocking, sad because people are such cool.”

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30. “Completely. You know, Kevin was such a minch on the set and was, you know, people had, I'd heard stories about Kevin's, he was a very big personality, and I didn't know how well he might do with a 40-day shoot and having to shoot so much and run and gun. He was incredibly not only just gentlemanly, but also unbelievably good collaborator. When we heard about this stuff, you know, we had no evidence of that on the set whatsoever. And I think those in his situation, they were very specific encounters, let's say, that he'd had at different times, but none that I know of during the shoot. But it's the same with more of these.”

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31. “And a whole different hairline. So he decided to compensate for that by getting to know him. As we do on all these films, if there was anybody around who was actually around during the actual story, we try to get with them and have the actors get with them. And he got to know Ron and he, you know, Kevin's a very... Confident, charismatic person, and it's something he and I talked a lot about. I just said, you know, I've talked a lot with Ron. He doesn't come at it that way. He's a very thoughtful person. So I need you to shrink and then grow through the course of the film, which is the arc that Ron's character goes through. And Kevin embraced that.”

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32. “Just was moving to me, you know. And as I got to know him and saw the angst and the kind of ghosts of all this that he was trying to exercise himself in a way or cope with them, you know, it just was a very meaningful view.”

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33. “Change the world or something like that. And it was a great account. But you could tell Ron had been the source for a lot of the history of that. And just the commitment to the democratic process to voting to trying to get all the votes counted and being up against this kind of wave of resistance to dare to challenge the system the way he did. And really, to some extent to challenge the figures within his own campaign, it really started to be to some extent him versus some of the other people in the campaign. And that whole experience”

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34. “So, somehow Sidney Pollock remembered that, and he was prepping recount. He'd actually cast Kevin Spacey and hadn't really got to do much more than just the casting. And he found out he had cancer. And so he and Paula called me in and asked me to take over. So it was a very complicated situation, but he said, look, I think I can beat this and I'll be around, but I just need you to do this. I got to work with Sydney.”

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35. “And Laura Burkholt from Norman Lears, a whole bunch of really cool people, and even Frank Luntz came in for a little while. And it didn't quite, the show didn't quite get the attention I think it would have if it had been done the way we were going to do it at Fox originally. But at the time, remember, the media saying that's half the people were saying that's a terrible idea. It makes a mockery of politics and the other half's a very big journalist said, no, this is great to show how much it is a show. And maybe actually by going back to a grassroots recruiting thing, we were looking at religious people, military people, you know, everyone says anybody can be the next president, you know, at that time didn't seem.”

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36. “American politics right as he was buying direct TV. So they canceled us, but we drifted down into doing at a much lower budget at Showtime. Anyway, it was all part of my own political interest. But we got to hang out with Politicos every weekend. We would go and talk, I think I met Jim Margolis. I knew Jim Margolis through someone else. Great media can tell me.”

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37. “We had it set up at Fox. They actually ended up revealing to us, they canceled it partly because it was right before Rupert. It was a little bit like the AT&T Time Warner merger now. Rupert Murdoch was about to buy direct TV and he was worried we might actually get a candidate that would get some attention and pull off a few votes from he had this whole conspiracy there that we would get a right-wing candidate because they were better at hijacking internet voting or something. He had this whole elaborate thing and he didn't want to be accused of meddling and”

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38. “Another lucky break. People, Paula Weinstein was a producer on recount, and Sidney Pollock was a producer. And they had known in my interest in politics. I had started up with Tom Hanks' company on the Mark Phelt movie. Originally, I was developed that with Peter Landisman, thinking I might direct it. And I'd also worked on a show about looking, it seems almost prescient at the time, I think look back at it, about looking for a future presidential candidate using a reality show almost American Idol format to go and find too fast.”

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39. “There was this outward mask. And he was great. And he loved being directed too. I was surprised. I thought he might be somehow just caught up in his own thing and just leave me alone. I'll do my thing. And the opposite was true. He actually, whenever I would say cut, he go, no, no, don't just tell me what you want while the camera's rolling. So in dailies, I would hear myself directing Robert De Niro from off camera saying, could we try one a little straighter now? Could we try one like this?”

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40. “Midnight Ron too. Yeah, he was perfect for us too because I felt like you would, no matter how soft he was on the outside with his soft cashmere sweaters and his cat and his cool waspy wife, blithe then or he underneath he would seem like a killer. And that you could bury it in as much sweetness on the outside as possible and you'd still be terrified of him. In fact, more terrified because”

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41. “Hone in on what that meant to be across from someone who could detect any slight bit of sneakiness. When I went to pitch it to them, I wanted Ben Stiller because I thought Ben is my avatar in that he just always looks like he's really worried about being caught at something. He just looks guilty even when he's innocent, which is how I often feel.”

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42. “Yeah, oh, yeah. I talked to, and I told Deniro was so interested in my dad's line of work too, because, and what it was like growing up in a house where everything had to be secret or there were people spying on our neighbors all the time, supposedly spying on us. This is my dad telling us to watch out because his secret clearance might be at stake all the time. And that professional paranoia my dad was he started working in anti terrorism stuff later in his life. It was always a sense of be careful what you're doing and let me know everything about your friends. Like I always felt like he was investigating my friends and my sister's boyfriends. So that's the character? That's the character. Now, I didn't write this script, but I did help them.”

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43. “Always, I try very hard to overcome what I perceive as my own inadequacies and sometimes so much so that I feel like I'm performing too much. I just felt like this guy's going to see through all my bullshit. He's going to see right through me. And that sense of being a human lie detector and actually being able to look in my eyes and decide if I was exaggerating or something gave me the instinct to turn De Niro's character into a kind of”

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44. “Is a shrink. He's a psychoanalyst. And to me, growing up in New Mexico, where Psychiatry was not a big part of the cultural experience. It just seemed like someone who could see right through you, like literally had x-ray vision. And I'm”

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45. “Like an ex-spook. Well, he's a human lie detector, which, you know, when I met my wife, her father on the other side of her family,”

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46. “I learned that through the Austin films, and so that was once that kind of worked, I went, oh man. And it turns out that it's a small group of people that they let direct big comedy. So it was in a very high pressure situation because they're spending a lot of money. Nobody ever thinks it's funny enough. Everyone knows what would be funny and is quite willing to tell you throughout the entire process.”

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47. “And help him with his thing. When I stepped in to meet the parents, it was a whole other deal because they really said, this is up to you. You got to figure this out.”

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48. “I thank you. I did not predict comedy as the way I would go. I had done light comedy in film school, but mostly serious stuff. And then I'd only written science fiction, drama, all through for those 10 years. And I love comedy, but I just never knew I had any aptitude for it. And fortunately, working with Mike was like having a, you know, a co-director. He was such a brilliant conceptual guy. But he let me direct the style and direct all the other actors.”

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49. “Several hundred thousand dollars around the world. And it was a lot of it was video, but it did okay, but it was an odd trajectory because it never tested well. It always tested actually terribly. It never tested above a 55. Usually films get buried if they're like below 75. And Mike DeLuca, this guy there, said, no, I have faith in it. And Mike certainly had faith in it. And he's a great marketeer. I always said Mike Myers would be. The perfect guy to come in and consult on political campaigns because he's a catchphrase wizard. Yeah, baby, Schwing, Knott, all those, the Wayne's World ones plus the Shagadellig baby. But he, he, he, he, he, he's. He's a real president. Well, I don't know if he would want that, but he would be a great image. He's Canadian.”

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50. “it end up earning i made in the 50s you know domestically or something but it then kicked in in video it was the beginning of the dvd days yeah and it went crazy on dvd and by the time the second one Than you know, it was into the billions, right? It made a lot of money. I mean, it didn't make billions all in, but it made.”

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