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Jean Case

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“He really is driven by the urgency that he feels. You know, the Washington Post called him the new face of disaster relief. Disasters are about to strike what he's realized is we don't really have a system in place often in relief that takes care of basic food security. And so that's what he's going to do.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Cook and he is a world celebrated chef. But the urgency that he felt in the moment pushed him past his fears of giving it a try and look at the impact that he's had. He's been wildfire, tsunamis, earthquakes, he's been all over the world now.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“moving got things you want me to go a little faster now so let urgency conquer fear fear really is this awareness that basically when your back's against the wall maybe when you're mad as heck maybe when you know you're gripped with fear whatever the moment is calling to you sometimes that will get you out of your comfort zone and what i write in the book is nothing great comes from the comfort zone we all love being there that's a comfortable place but that's not where great stuff comes from so sometimes urgency is that extra piece so you know we're here in washington dc our dear friend chef jose andreas a great entrepreneur who has restaurants all over the world saw that hurricane was hitting in puerto and went down there and set up a food station on an emergency basis ends up feeding 3.7 million people has just recently as you know in the last 35 days while the government's been shut down feeding federal workers look he doesn't have a nonprofit background he doesn't have an organizational business he's an entrepreneur who knows how to”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, yeah, thanks. That's my favorite one. Let urgency conquer fear. And actually, this is a pretty powerful principle. So there's”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Sure. Well, and I absolutely believe there's a place for regulation. A lot of stuff you're talking about in Silicon Valley as well. I mean, you know, I think we can believe in the philosophy maybe of free market self-regulation, but at some point you have to say enough and find a better way forward.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I can see a strong argument for that. But there's others who are saying, well, what if you just said I'll add one this year? Could we eventually get a flywheel effect going so there are enough women helping to bring the only reason?”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I see a lot of changes, but I want to be super clear that by no means are we anywhere close to mission accomplished. But we sort of felt this way, Karen. It's kind of like what I said about AOL's growth. Took us 10 years to get to the first million. And then, you know, a year later, we had 4 million more. I do think at some point a flywheel effect will take place. I have a friend in New York who has worked with the Canadian Prime Minister and some other women, and we've worked together to do this initiative called Just Add One. And the idea is, you know, things start to really change when you put a female on the board. Yes. That sounds crazy, but it's very true. You know, she widens the perspective, she widens the network of likely candidates. Things change when a woman goes into the C-suite. Things change when a woman becomes a partner in a law firm. So, you know, I think that there are some who want to see a regulated percentage.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But again, why is that? Because you have to identify the problem. What happens in the system as it is? Because I don't see a lot of changes. I mean, I see you and I see a couple more, but they're peripheral. They're still peripheral.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so here's what I think can hopefully potentially drive it a little bit forward, and that is that these will be new innovations, as we've discussed. I mean, what do entrepreneurs do at the end of the day? They solve problems, and it's usually tied to a problem they've had some experience with. So at some point, if we just keep pushing those Ivy League kids out in Silicon Valley, it's enough already. That's not where all the new, exciting next wave of innovation will come from. It will come from different places and different people. I think that will be a draw to many people. But we're passionate about this, so we lead or help lead something called the Entrepreneurs Funding Network that is very much focused on putting capital and mentorship to inclusive entrepreneurs. I'm pretty happy with what I'm seeing there in terms of the ecosystem filling out around the United States. There's an accelerator in Atlanta called Digital Undivided. It is specific.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, it feels really slow and it's been a really long time. But I'm telling you, there has been dramatic progress, even though we continue to feel like there's so much that we have to do and we do. I mean, we are seeing roles filled by women today that traditionally we never did. Look at our Supreme Court. Look who's been Secretary of State. In fact, I have a friend's very cute that when a white man became secretary of state again, her kid said, Oh, I didn't think that could happen because we'd had two females and an African-American male serve as Secretary of State. So there really is progress on a lot of fronts. It's just not coming fast enough. So here's what I think.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Many of them in my book, but I think we all really have to double down and get all the players on the field. You and I talked about this.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Realized is a privileged person she went to Princeton, she got a JDMBA from Georgetown, and when she got out of school, she didn't really know what to do about her taxes. She didn't know how to pick a healthcare plan. Like some of the really big, no one had ever really taught her that. So she's got this really great platform that now universities all over the United States are embracing and putting their kids through to teach them how to go into adulthood. I mean, who would think we'd have to disrupt that industry, but it's greatly needed. But she's a young female entrepreneur that's just killing it out there. You just interviewed Susan Tynan at Framebridge. That was a great interview. Another one. And then I just spent the weekend with my dear friend, Sarah Blakely, you know, who's the founder and CEO of Spanks. So another friend I just spent time with is the new head Ellen Staufen of Smithsonian's Aaron Space Museum. She was chief scientist at NASA. So as I look around, women really are killing it. The women who have before us, their stories often don't get told. And so I try to tell.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I heard that too. That's insane. Insanely sensitive people. But, you know, it's important to recognize that Silicon Valley is not the center of the Earth. No, I got that. That a lot of great things can happen. And, you know, the Fortune 500 companies, majority of them were born started between the coasts, not on the coast. But I just got the data this morning that the new data says 79% of capital venture capital last year went to California, New York, and Massachusetts. We know Steve is zero. Yeah, but let's talk about it further. So like with women, just a little over 2% of all the venture capital went to firms with a female founder. And yet what I see is I see remarkable female founders. Hoya like UKARA. She has a startup in New York called Real World Playbook. And she says it's the Warby Parker for Adulthood.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There are all the studies. That's why I'm fascinated by why you can't even appeal to people's greed in Silicon Valley. You'll be richer. And I find it, you know, there was just a story today, I forget what thing someone tweeted it was. Men have become at Davos. This group was like, we're really sensitive now to me, too, so we don't really want to help women again. And I'm like, oh yeah, I heard that too. Insanely sensitive people.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I don't think it is, Karea. I think it's very real. I think we all have blind spots and we all have biases. And I don't believe they're intentional. But what I do think is when you know you have them, which today, if you don't know you have them, you're not listening, you've got to be intentional in doing something to make sure you're changing to be the best that you can be. So I think the data is overwhelming. I put it in be fearless. It's throughout the book that diverse teams outperform non-diverse teams, McKinsey, Deloitte.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I totally agree. And there is a difference between sort of just screwing up and failure that's meant to teach. But make failure matter is understand the lessons of failure and apply them going forward. So the next is reach beyond your bubble. And that's that sort of build unlikely partnerships that we had talked about. But what we didn't spend enough time talking about is the real idea is spend time with people who think differently than you do, have different backgrounds, broaden your perspective, and they can broaden yours. They can cover your blind spots. They can see things you can't.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, right. That's not cool. Yeah. Okay, so that's make failure matter. And I just want to say before we leave that, you know, Einstein said failure is success in progress But that's not really how we think about it. And if we could actually encourage young people or others we know to think about it that way. And when I stand, I teach a lot of MBA classes. And whenever I'm in front of students, I try to read my failure resume to point out that it was actually all the low points that ultimately made me better stronger or teed up new opportunities down the road. How you perfect ideas.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I still had me. I hope you send her stuff routinely. She did now. I had the opposite from my teachers, which I'm grateful for, and I write about some of them in the book because they're lifelong friends to this day. So I can really make it there. I'm not teaching my teachers too.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Sanitize the failures along the way. They're so important to share with people because the bottom line is you just can't do innovative new things unless you're willing to take risks. And I don't know anyone who bats a thousand on risk taking.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and starting Amazon, he said, the one thing I knew was that when I was 80, you know, I wasn't going to be thinking about my quarterly bonus, but I would think if I had passed up on the greatest opportunity and revolution in my lifetime and not been part of it, I could never forgive myself. And that gave him sort of the extra boldness to start Amazon. Right, okay. So that's take risky bold. The next is make failure matter. Obviously, if you're out there taking risks, it is trial and error. It is R&D. The error part is often forgot. But most success stories have a failure story along the way. And I have a chapter in there called Bail in the footsteps of giants. And I talk about how Oprah was told, fired from a news program and told she just wasn't right for TV. Stephen Spielberg not accepted to film school. Right. Michael Jordan cut from his high school basketball team, went home and cried in his closet. So story after story in that chapter are better known stories, but we've sometimes”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, exactly. I mean, we had big old things coming after us, right? But today, unfortunately, a lot of that sort of, you know, guarding against risk is still very much in our DNA. And I think one of the things that I recommend is, you know, really think about what is the risk of not taking the risk because our brains always go first to all the problems with taking the risk. We sometimes don't give enough thought to if I don't take the risk, what happens then? And for some people, that answer will be a reason to take the risk, right? Jeff Bezos, I put this in be fearless in the book.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They are not, in fact, our brains, if anything, are wired to really give us big caution lights against risk. And, you know, that's important, right? Because when we started life here on the planet whenever back when, you know, our brains were telling us to flee or to fight”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The first is make a big bet, and we like to say make a big bet and make history. The idea is don't aim for incremental change. Now you will take incremental steps getting to your big bet, but everybody that's broken through has started with a much bigger idea. The second is take risks, be bold. Look, if you're trying something new, you're taking risks. There's just no way to try something new without taking risks. But I try to go into detail in the book, particularly in that part about understanding your own risk tolerance, understanding the risk tolerance of people who've taken other successful things forward. And I encourage people to think about risk-taking or as R&D, as trial and error. which then leads into the third principle.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because I think people everywhere have ideas and they found a playbook to get started. Totally. Our research validated this. So let me run through them quickly with you.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, right, right. They're created. It was a lot of people we knew. I think it's trying to pretend to be people we know. Anyway, we're here with Gene Case, whose new book is called Be Fearless, Five Principles for a Life of Breakthroughs and Purpose. We're going to take a quick break now, but we'll be back after this.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Correct. Correct. Yeah. Yes, so the National Geographic Society is the parent and the venture with Fox sits under the National Geographic Society. Right there.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It'll be Disney now. Yes. In fact, I'm heading out to Disney this week to meet with the team out there. But there, what's really cool is when we did that deal, it created a $1.2 billion endowment for National Geographic and about $100 million a year comes over the transom from our businesses. And we have the number one social media footprint of any brand in the world. We're coming up on a hundred million Instagram followers. It's crazy, exciting. This is a lot of society.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The parent company is National Geographic Society, and we do have a subsidiary company that I also sit on the board of. And that is in partnership with 21st Century Fox. And there.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's really a playbook. It's a clearing call, as I said. I think people everywhere have ideas, and we've seen them I have as I've traveled around the world. You know, Karen, my other role is as chairman of the National Geographic Society. And even in that space, it blows me away what we're seeing coming along as new startups and technologies that enable more science and exploration. And a really cool new class of companies are being.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. What I'm excited by is I'm starting to see some sharing economy things reach down to where it's needed most. Another example is a company called Hello Tractor in Africa for smallhold farmers who can't afford tractors, but they need them. So they just, you know, they have a network now where you can order a tractor on Saturday and have it for four hours and only pay for four hours. And so we're starting to see those kinds of truly innovative startups taking shape around the world in places where they're needed most. And you and I have joked a lot about, look, I think Silicon Valley is great and it's brought us so much we should celebrate. But the elites on the coast are never going to think about a small hold farmer and how he only needs a tractor a few hours a day. Or maybe like my mom, a single mom who probably didn't need to buy a lawnmower. Why didn't we have one that we could just call when we needed it? Right, right. Because when it breaked, we could never afford to fix it, those kind of things. Right.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We do, we do. But I mean, it's also like the business. We saw AOL really in some ways as a impact business that with every member we would get, we were increasing access to the internet. But, you know, I've traveled around the world and like in places like Africa, there's really exciting young companies like MCOPA who are providing solar access to small villages that will never be on the grid or certainly not anytime soon. They pay for it through a mobile payments called MPESA. And literally they pay by the day so you can load 25 cents into MPESA and get as much power as 25 cents spies. So this sharing economy for the poor is a really powerful idea. You know, I loved the sharing economy when it became a thing, but it really was more convenience and control for people who already had plenty of my.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's not giving away money. It's baked in the business model that when the business does well, there's some effective social. And that's how you all think about it.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Four million pairs of glasses available. But it's based off of just buying a really cool hip brand in a more convenient and competitive price that something good happens.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, sure. Well, there's a new generation of entrepreneurs and a new generation of investors. Some of the new generation of investors aren't so new generation, but a new class of investors is probably a better way to say it, who want more than just a financial return for their capital. They realize that capital invested is a powerful tool. So if you can invest to get more than just a financial return, it's really a big win. And so many of these young companies are chasing after social impact as well as a financial return to shareholders. And they give equal value. Warby Parker is a great example of a really brand, it's a tech brand in the eyeglass retail industry now and totally disrupted the eyeglass sector. Fast companies named them the most innovative company in America. But when they sell a pair of glasses, something good happens somewhere else. And that's a person who otherwise couldn't afford a pair gets one. To date, they've made over”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so right now, for instance, we're deeply engaged in this new realm of impact investing. You know, I don't know how you”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So we invest in people and ideas that can change the world. Steve and I founded it together. And it really has been a living laboratory where we're really trying to find the best people and ideas out there that can really make a social impact in a really big way.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I did. Head and a whole bunch of it. I left in 1997. Yeah, we had a fabulous team at AOL, and we created the Case Foundation.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Help me learn to do what he did, right? And obviously that's what he did. So I want to finish up with your background. So you worked at AOL and then you left. I did. But you were integral. You and Jan Rant and Ted and a whole bunch of you.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You don't remember that. I brought it to you. And you hadn't Correct. I think we were pretty happy. But I will say the other thing we should talk about is iteration is such an important thing. Anyone in tech knows this. But like we have fun at one level sat at another watching folks like Facebook because Mark basically hacked AOL. That's kind of how he learned to do what he did, right? And you know the Twitter guys will tell you they just took AOL member pages and made it better or Insta messaging. So we could go right across some of the new technologies. And what they did, and again, it's something I write extensively about, Thomas Edison was brilliant at this too. They looked at what others didn't get right, right, where they might have made some fits and starts, but it wasn't very good. And they just picked up and made it better. And Thomas Edison said, I should correctly be called a great sponge because there were 18 patents before Edison for the better part of a century. What he did was went to school on that.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“One day they call. And say, we've decided no one else can carry our brand. We're basically divorcing you. And we thought the world was ending. I mean, because we had no other means to take the business for it. So we got together. I'll never forget, you know, in conference room that afternoon, and it was very dark. It was not a good moment in the history of the company. But looking back, it was the best thing that ever happened to us because we decided we'd go it alone and we went back to Apple and asked for sort of a divorce settlement. And they gave us a few million dollars, which today would be like nothing. But back then could keep our company alive long enough that we built America Online. Right. And that's how AOL was good.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Iterates. I know those are overused words, but they're really did. You know, they really are important words because, you know, where I was going on the Apple Link story is, you know, we really built the whole business on this business for Apple.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Hey, hey. But it was existential for our company. And then with Google, of course, we saw they had a better search engine than we did. So we went to them and said, can we partner? And we invested and got 5% of the company and they became our search engine. They're great examples. And again, I talk about this a lot, the importance of building unlikely partnerships in the book.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. So they had kind of owned the market of operating services, and they were building their own online service. And if they had shut us out of access from that operating, it could have shut down our company. It could have been existential. So we went to them and we worked out a deal where we carried their new browser, which was Explorer, in trade for being part of the hard drives wherever they're operating.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And they said yes. And I remember the day I came back from New York and said, you guys aren't going to believe this. We've got a huge deal with Prodigy. Well, that almost immediately became our leading source of new subscribers. And so, you know, to me, it's just a reminder that don't ever underestimate who can help you grow. And I do talk about building unlikely partnerships. If you remember, Kara, we did this with Microsoft, where Microsoft was threatening us as Windows, I don't mean they would put it. Well, I'm saying what was happening in the market was impact. I”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We bought ads. So here, yeah, so here's what I was. So our competitor prodigy had invested a billion dollars at the time we had invested $10 million. So we approached them. And I talk about this in my book and I say, you can actually leverage competition for your own growth sometimes. Right, exactly. Many people have done that. Right. So I went to them and said, can we buy ads on your online service?”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. So the Case Foundation that I run, we did some research six years ago to look at what is behind sort of successful change makers, innovators, entrepreneurs, and we found five simple principles that were present wherever transformational change takes place. And that's really the premise of the book is to bring forward these principles. But how I do it is storytelling. And mostly stories of other people who found success. Many people will have heard of, but most people will not have ever before heard the story.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And the real reason I wrote the book is through every one of these experiences in life, I could see that people everywhere had ideas, but they often about how to make the world better about new companies' products, whatever movements they wanted to build. They get stuck in this idea that it can't be me. I don't have what it takes. They buy into an idea that it's like a special human quality of genius or connections or whatever.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was around. Is that Commodore Commodore? Most listeners won't even know what you didn't get talking about. No, it wasn't America Online. I got there. We didn't have the services. I came to help do. Was it Quantum? It was called Quantum Computers. That's right. That's right. And we were then building a service that we thought was going to keep us in business with Apple called Apple Link. Right. That's right. And with IBM called PC Link. And it's a great failure story. So before I jump into the failure story though, let me tell you. We're talking because of the book. Right.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Lots of iterations that have been two previous, yeah, both in terms of the kind of products, but also a company had sort of spun out of an older.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We did. I'm proud of J. Here's the deal. So, AOL is a startup. We had 10 million invested in us early.”
2019-01-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Early AOL exec Jean Case · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT