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Jeane Freeman

lines on the record: 48
first: 2021-04-08
most recent: 2021-04-08
sittings or episodes: 1
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“Uncomfortable with it just now, so why would that change that was given to me for the work that I did in criminal justice and I was proud of the work that I did. More importantly I knew that my parents were really proud of the work that I'd done. And the idea that Alasi Ayrshire whose dad was a panel beater and her mum was a nurse. Awarded that honour was a big deal, and as comfortable with it in an independent Scotland as I am with it just now”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Dealing with that we don't completely understand. You have to come to the best judgment you can on the basis of what you know knowing how much you don't know. That's quite hard for politicians actually. We are supposed to know everything and be absolute about everything. So standing up and saying, I don't know. I don't know. But this is what I do know and therefore this is what I think we should do. But here's this other set of things that we don't know the answers yet.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And people are, even when they survive COVID, are left with conditions and symptoms that are going to change their life. So there's a situation here that isn't going to end like a nice neat ending. It's how do we continue and manage this virus, protect people long term from it, but also help those who have survived being seriously ill but have a real health challenges now that we don't yet fully understand either. And I think that's one of the big things that has been the case in the whole course of the last year all of us, the public included, coming to terms with the fact that there are things about what we've been doing.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. Absolutely. That inevitably is the case. I think I'm a bit lucky in that I do have a First Minister who was a health secretary. So there's a lot of what is in my mind and in those moments of darkness that I know she understands. But I know too that so does Vaughan from the Labour Party in Wales and Robin in Northern Ireland and Matt that we've all had those moments where what we're dealing with feels and the responsibility for it feels completely overwhelming and you're tearful. I've had many a good greet in the privacy of the lady's toilet in government buildings or in my own home where it just it's huge this is huge you know and people are dying”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I found it absolutely fine. At the end of the day, Matt's a human being. And the four nation meetings we have do a lot of important series business. But we also all recognize that each one of us is grappling with the similar dilemmas, similar moments of darkness, if you like, as we realize the huge responsibility that we have. And that some of it is truly life and death. So there's a human connection there. And we managed to disagree perfectly, reasonably and amicably. And I think over the last year, the working relationship is a good one. Neither of us have compromised where we do disagree and we've tried to find ways through it, solutions to it, rather than just shouting at each other.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Then governments make political choices. So we have chosen, for example, to offer 4% pay rise to our NHS Agenda for Change staff. UK government's choosing to offer 1%. That's about...”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, it's not because the Institute of Fiscal Studies two important things to remember, two important things to remember. First of all, Scotland pays into that UK pot. It's not charitable giving the money that comes back to Scotland. Scotland pees into the Treasury through tax revenues, VAT, a whole range of things. So Scotland.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Whether or not we end up being independents for people in Scotland to decide, but actually they have the right to decide whether they want to decide. And we can continue to do all those other things as well.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't believe that's the case at all, Nick. Do you know we've not given up in the last year? We've not suddenly not talked about independence. But, you know, we're capable of doing more than one thing. In the course of the last year alone, we have created a domestic supply chain for PPE in Scotland that has produced more jobs, increased the stability of our PPE distribution and production. Now we've done that in the middle of a pandemic. We've built homes. We have changed how the NHS delivers services. What I'm saying is A, I don't believe the debate in Scotland necessarily needs to be divisive. It depends how it's led and it depends how people behave. People will have different views and they're entitled to them. The key question is that there should be, that debate should be possible.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Huge credit to every single person. What I'm saying is. This is not necessarily some pro union anti-independence example. It's not. You can argue it that way if you want. I can argue it the other way to say, no, actually, what we've proven in the last 15 months is that we've got four health ministers of different political parties, different perspectives on the union, as well as Brexit, as well as the Northern Ireland Agreement. And we have worked cooperatively for 15 months on something that actually transcends most of that. That tells me we could continue to do it.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, I'm not trying to take credit away from those who deserve credit. Our four chief medical officers have been key players in all of this and have been meeting more than once a week for 15 months now on discussions as well as other clinical advisors, deputy chief medical officers, scientists, all of that.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, what I was about to say is that undoubtedly the collective decision to Take a punt on a number of vaccines that were still in clinical trial were not yet authorized and approved, but to do that on the basis of putting in orders for them. The basis that some would come through and be good and be safe and be usable was the right decision to make. There's no question about that.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's no doubt, but remember, it's a UK program on behalf of the four nations. So it's not like it's a charitable gift here. It was undertaken on behalf of the four nations. And every week, actually, I meet with my counterparts, Matt Hancock, von Geffen, Robin Swann, to talk through the vaccine program, the testing program, a number of things that are done cooperatively. And actually, the other way to look at that argument was an independent Scotland would be part of that cooperative engagement as much as we are at the moment. Indeed, but there was a decision taken.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To pee, the place we're prepared to pee in order to gain additional easings of some of the significant restrictions people have put up with for a very long time.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“that in order to get once we get levels down and that's working well more people are vaccinated more and more are vaccinated for the duration of this year can we accept greater domestic freedoms greater returns to the things we want to do seeing family and friends going to concerts going to football matches going to the euro games all of that and then return we will not travel overseas for holidays and that will get us through as the rest of the globe needs to get through because we're not in a vacuum here so we need to also recognize that traveling to where other countries have significant levels of this virus as well so we need to be thoughtful about what it is that we're prepared”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, it is. It is absolutely the trade I think we should make because there's something else we need to remember about the virus that when we talk about when there are clouds of people together and the virus can transmit from one person to another, that's absolutely true. But the other thing it does in those circumstances is we give it more opportunities to mutate. And as we all know, what we're dealing with now is”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I don't think suppressing the virus to the lowest possible level is not an unrealistic objective at all and it's one we still have. The UK couldn't be, no, it couldn't be New Zealand primarily because the UK is a big travel hub and isn't in the southernmost part of the globe as New Zealand is, but I would still argue that the UK the UK as a whole can could have and still can do much, much more to prevent importation of the virus much, much more than you.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Certainly, the border doesn't matter to a virus, it doesn't pay attention to borders. I think one of the big criticisms we'd have is that last summer where our case numbers are the prevalence of the virus was really, really low, what we weren't successful in doing and we're still not successful in doing this is convincing the UK government that we need much tighter international border controls to prevent the virus coming into the country because that's what happened after the summer. Wasn't it an illusion that”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, we should have. So we wanted people who didn't need to stay in hospital any longer because they'd been treated and they were clinically well to be discharged as quickly as possible so we freed up those beds for COVID patients. Remember the early predictions about the number of people going into hospital were terrifying actually but we didn't take the right precautions to make sure that older people leaving hospital going into care homes were as safe as they could be and that was a mistake. Now I might argue we couldn't do anything other than we did and all the rest of it but it still created a real problem for those older people and for the others who lived in care homes and for the staff who worked in care homes.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think our failures were not understanding the social care sector well enough so we didn't respond quickly enough to what was needed in our care homes but also in social care in the community now i think”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I think the successes are the degree to which our NHS just pivoted in such a short space of time in one direction, which was about everything we have to do to minimize the numbers of people who become seriously ill and die. And that is everything from quadrupling our intensive care capacity, ensuring that we had PPE we never run out of PPE in Scotland, but we had to increase the distribution routes so that we took it direct to hospitals, direct to primary care, direct to social care, all of that, all done at huge speed, setting up a safe, what we called a COVID pathway, which was if you were rather than going to your GP practice, you went through this route and were given the Care that you needed so that we could keep GP practices COVID free and they could keep on treating people who had concerns other than COVID.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you're a charmer. I do not believe that a man of my age would have the level of comment about how I look that I do. Now, that's just, you know, it's a scunner, but occasionally if I dwell on it, yes, it is hurtful. I'm not going to dwell on it. I don't know these people, never seen them, never see them again. Their opinions are their opinions up to them to live with those. But it hurts those that I love because they cannot answer back. And that's unfair. And sometimes, you know, I'm not, this is not a special plea for politicians at all. But I think sometimes all of us forget that we're talking about another human being here. And like me, other human beings are flawed. So let's just try and be a wee bit kinder about all of it.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't imagine and here there is a thing about the situation for women. I don't imagine. So I'm 67. I am not the fresh-faced young lass that I used to be. I've got more wrinkles than you could shake a decent stick at. Now I'm looking at you on.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, it has. And it's been tough for me because of how it affects those that I love. I'm long enough in the truth and all of this to know that if you stand for public office, then there is a degree to which the public is perfectly entitled to comment on what they think you're doing. Not convinced they're perfectly entitled to comment on how they think you look, but they'll do that anyway. And so you have a tough skin in this business for sure. But your family didn't sign up for this. So some of the things that are said in social media by people you've never met.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Having a bit of an argument, but a bit of chat as well. So when you don't see people, then it's really easy to say things in social media when you're not actually looking the other person in the eye. So I think there's been a downside to the past years in terms of public debate and discourse where are necessary isolation from each other hasn't helped it.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, there has. There has. And none of that helps anybody, to be honest. I do wonder a bit whether part of the contributory context to it is a year where we've not actually seen each other. And so everything's been conducted as we're doing it now, virtually, but also via social media. I was talking to some colleagues in Parliament before we finish, before we finish for the election and saying that there are some of the disagreements that exist between parties actually as well as within parties that in a year before, two years before, would have been maybe not resolved, but certainly would have become as binary or as harsh if we had all been sitting in the canteen or in the coffee bar or in the bar.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“that you're going to agree with everything that it ends up deciding to do but that doesn't mean that in those circumstances that you have to go off and bad mouth it i left the labour party because didn't leave the labour party to go away and badmouth it i've never done that but i left it because i didn't believe it represented anymore the values and the beliefs that i held to be important and so i left and i spent quite a long time not in any party and then as you say quite rightly joined the smp that i think is is the is the way that you do it you don't you don't bad mouth and you don't miscall individuals behaviors you can challenge absolutely views and ideals and beliefs challenge but let's not get into the business of saying that people are Somehow less than human because they disagree with you.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm absolutely certain that the SNP and absolutely government has lessons to learn. Remember this all came to the fore as a consequence of Scottish Government not implementing a policy that I think is the right policy about complaints on harassment and so on, but not implementing that properly. So government's got a lot to learn and to learn really fast about doing this properly. But so too has the SNP about how to allow members to freely express their concerns and their views and members have a lot to learn about having done that if nobody else is agreeing with you then you either go with the program or you leave you know there isn't a party on the planet”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Has admitted to and has never apologised for, never apologized for, then no, in my opinion, you're not fit to hold public office. And frankly, I don't really care who you are. You're not fit to hold public office because public office is about trust. You know, when people go to the polls here on the 6th of May and they vote, what they are doing is they are handing over their power intrust to those that they voted for. Never ever, ever take that for granted.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I agree with that actually. I agree with that. I don't think what all of us have got to remember is that underneath all of this, we're talking about relationships that are about power. And that applies to anyone who holds office. That inevitably, whether it's an MSP in your constituency staff, whether it's a government minister and your civil servants, and absolutely if it's a first minister. You have standards that you need to meet and you need to recognize that those who work with you and for you are in a different power relationship to you. You're the one that holds all the power. And there's no way that you should in any sense abuse that power. And if you do, then if you do it in the way that he himself”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I didn't. No, I didn't hear anything about any of that. But then, you know, I wasn't in government. I knew he was a bit shouty, but then lots of men are a bit shouty, to be honest, but I was not aware of any of that at all.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because Nicholas seemed to me then much more grounded in a much more interested in those who didn't support independence and why not than Alex ever did. And she wanted to know. Why are you hesitant? Why are you not sure about this? What can we do and how can we take those concerns on board and pay proper attention to them rather than just let me beat you with my clever argument? That doesn't work. You need to listen to what people are saying because if you don't do that, you're assuming that everything that you think is right. And it might not be.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Reaching out to and listening to women about what their hopes were for independence, what their anxieties were, why they weren't convinced, why they were. So I was really involved in all of that.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely, without doubt. But remember from 2012, I was part of a group of women who started Women for Independence. And that was and still exists, actually, Women for Independence is probably, it might be the only group that started then for that 2014 referendum that's still going and going really strongly. And the reason we started it, there was about five of us who were complete to each other. We didn't actually all know each other. Twitter came into its own then. We were complaining to each other about how what would be happening during this referendum campaign would be that we'd have a bunch of men on television telling us what women thought. And that was going to be really irritating. And then so we decided, we all kind of virtually looked at each other and went, well, we better do something about that then. There's no point in complaining. And women for independence started on the basis of”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think you might well have done. I think we would have had many a good argument. My dad loved a good argument. More importantly, my older brother, who sadly died a few years ago, George and I would have had some really good discussions, as they say, about it. But I think my dad and George too would have recognized that the world had changed since after the Second World War and that some of what I see as values no longer held by the governments in Westminster are values that we want to hang on to in Scotland and that you can actually be, we can be an independent country and a good neighbour and there's no reason why you can't work together as independent countries.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“As an active member of the Labour Party, as a senior advisor to Jack McConnell, got me thinking about that thing that we didn't think about, which was independence. And it became a why not question rather than... What do you think your dad's answer?”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you know, the really interesting thing is that those kind of speeches were few and far between. And that was because there was a view that independence was a distraction and therefore you didn't really need to talk about it. What took me was actually being that special advisor and being in the early days of the Scottish Parliament and seeing that we could make big important decisions for ourselves. We could make big important decisions about the justice system, about the NHS and health, about the environment and thinking, do you know if we can do that for ourselves? Why can't we do defence and everything about the economy and foreign relationships? Why not? So that gets me thinking then. So that thing that you didn't think about.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I decided or I realized that there's no point in understanding all of this stuff if you're not actually going to be able to do anything about it. And there was no way that that was going to happen in the Communist Party. And of course, the other thing around that time was a dawning realization that the Soviet Union was not all that was cracked up to be and was not all that was being portrayed to be. The thirdum, if you like, to the Soviet Union as the ideal tarnished hugely in my eyes. So that wasn't where I was any longer felt that I belonged or wanted to belong. So I went a number a year without being in any party.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, I was when I was a student. I was in the Communist Party for a few years. And then I left that because, you know, and actually there somewhere else where you learn. I think what I learned there was analytical thinking, if you like, and understanding core values.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I know, and it's not that long ago, really, is it 7980? It's not that long ago. That I was doing, but yeah, I was. I loved it. And actually, you know, to be involved then, certainly, I imagine it's still the same in student politics at that level, was a huge privilege because you learn so much. You learn loads about how to work with other people, how to marshal your arguments to persuade people to your point of view, how to deal with counter-arguments that have validity in them and not just dismiss them.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was discussed a lot with my dad. My dad was a big believer in trade unions and being a member of a trade union and a Labour Party supporter, but a trade union Labour Party supporter, if you see what I mean. I've always been interested in politics and political decision making and all of that. I'd finished and when I was training and when I qualified once you were qualified as a nurse in those days there wasn't that much more to do other than become a manager, an administrator and I didn't want to do that. So that's when I went off and did my degree. And from there just other things happened and”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it's an advantage if you've got the honesty to ask the right questions and not pretend that you do just because you're the health secretary, that you understand all of this. Because if you ask the questions, if I ask the questions, explain it to me. Why does that happen? What does that mean? All of that, then if I then understand it, I can explain it in a way that lots of other people who are not scientists also understand it.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Did want to be a doctor? I was just completely rubbish at science, to be honest, which is partly why, as Health Secretary, you have to keep asking scientists and clinicians to explain things to me. Really simple detail. I think that ends up being an advantage. But yeah, I did want to be a doctor but wasn't going to be.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, absolutely. So my dad was born and grew up in Sindaford in Gloucestershire and was part of a mining community. He was the youngest in the family. He didn't want to go into the pit. He basically lied about his age and joined the RAF. So he joined the RAF before the war. I remember my dad telling me that he was determined, but there was lots of other young men like him determined that when they came back it would be a beat a different country. And from that, of course, came the National Health Service and the Social Security System and the values that was founded on.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I grew up with all of that and knowing all of that. Alongside that, of course, my dad, they met during the war. They got engaged after six months and then they didn't see each other for well over two years because he was fighting in Egypt. And there was a side to my mom and dad that it's that thing that happens to us, I think, as kids when we suddenly realize our parents were like us. And I would never have taken my mom for someone who would get engaged after six months on the basis of a couple of... The pictures and the odd walk just would not have dreamt that she would have done that, and she did it”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“She would have been well into her 90s now if she'd still lived. So, this was pre Second World War and then during the Second World War she was a nurse. She became a nurse because she left school at 14. Her mum found her a job in a hairdresser's and the hairdressers went bust. So her mum found her a job in the local psychiatric hospital. And her brother, who used to take her to it on the back of his motorbike, kept saying to her, because you lived in then as a student nurse, kept saying to her, you know, Annie, you don't have to do this. We'll find you something else to do. And that was, you know, a time when there was huge stigma around mental illness and the asylum, as it was called. It was called the asylum. And then she told me stories about doing our full shift and then going to do her studies at night.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What comes into my mind is driving into Edinburgh at the start of the first lockdown and a journey from Glasgow that would normally take in normal times a couple of hours took us 40 minutes to get there because the motorway was empty. The city of Edinburgh was empty. Driving through that city and everything being closed, the streets being empty was a really strange feeling. And realizing that that had happened as a consequence of a decision that I had been party to and had played a large part in. So that's one of the kind of big memories, the real, really hit you that this is a big, big deal. This is serious.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A bit of a mixed response, to be honest, Nick. There is, of course, a bit of me that will be relieved to not be doing seven days a week, 12, 14 hour days, which is what the past 15 months have necessarily been. But there's also a bit of me that would still like to be in charge of recovering our NHS and doing things a bit differently from how we've done it before. So that probably says more about me believing that, you know, I know what's right to do and I want to do it. But overall, I am still comfortable. I've made the right decision. It is time to move on to something else and let someone else take this job on.”
2021-04-08 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Jeane Freeman One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source