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Jeanette Winterson

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“Yeah, you can find me on Twitter as well. If you just go in Jeanette Winston or Wintersome World, you'll find my tweets. I don't do it crazy.”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's great. I've never been a better time because the whole point about being a fiction writer is that you live in the world you live in and that you rework it, you reshape it, you reimagine it, but also you present it to your reader. So there's so much going on. There's no shortage of material ideas. For me, the great power of language has always been that you find the words that fit the situation, whether it's the feeling or the thought, and therefore you offer it back to the reader in the best possible form. So for me, having that possibility of language when I read other people's work, when I'm writing my own, it's really to equip you, me to describe the world and also to critique the world. The more skilled you are with language, the better you can manage the way the world is. You know, it's when people have no language at all that they're going to turn the car over, throw the brick through the window, just go and shoot somebody because they're just done with rage, literally. You know, you give people back language and you give them back some power.”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So for me, it's always an audiovisual experience because I see the pictures very clearly. So although I'm typing it out, for me, it's almost not like writing. It's like I'm telling it to you. Yeah.”
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“Interesting. I read and also listened to your book. Your book listens better. It does. It's much more kinetic. It's a kinetic writing style. So I found myself laughing more at the red part than the unread part.”
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“It's not the end of the world. The end of the world will happen in all sorts of other ways, but not if we stop reading books”
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“It's not a problem They're not uninformed. They're snap well read. They're not really, really informed. No, they're not well read, but they are other things. They often know a lot about movies, a lot about music, a lot about TV. I mean, TV's in a golden age, as we all know. So it's really, it's, I mean, what is reading? It's part of a conversation that we have. It's also part of a way of connecting with the past so that we know what people before us felt like did. I don't just mean as information. I mean as their emotional context. It also makes us feel less isolated. We know that we're not on a little raft of time, that somebody else even hundreds of years ago felt this way, acted this way, suffered this way. That's very comforting. So it has many functions, I think, reading books, literacy, but they probably could be replicated. And other writers, publishers, they hate me saying this because obviously they don't want to go out of business.”
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“With me, with anybody, I just want you to have the encounter. And when I look at the history of literacy, of mass literacy, I see that it's very small and it really only starts in the mid-19th century when lots of people learn to read. It's because of the education acts that come in. And it may be when we look back, should we be able to do so, that mass literacy might only manage to last for about 200 years, and then it will be superseded. We may be going back to a visual age, an icon age where language itself certainly the written language doesn't matter so much. It's possible.”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think it's a good thing that now there are so many more platforms for creativity. I embrace that and I welcome it because I don't really care how you get your encounter with art.”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The blackest part of us. We need answers. All right, last question. As a book author right now, I don't know if you think of it that way as you're a book author because you get, I bought, I'm reading you on my phone. Yeah, it was slightly cheaper, but not really. I was fascinated by what it costs in different sites. But right now, two things. Reality is much more interesting than fiction right now. Reality, like, could you make this stuff up? And secondly, how do you look at all these digital ways that people consume? You used to write books and then that was that. you know, and you put them out there. How do you look at that? Enter that one first and then talk about what it's like being a fiction writer today. It must be like, what?”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes. And so, why, after all this time trying to get rid of Skygos and talking about it as the sort of black superstition, the worst thing that anybody can ever do? I don't mean black people. I mean, just the blackest part of us that we should invent something as stupid as a religion and a sky god. Then here we are doing it again.”
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“You know, the crazy thing about this is that everybody's done their best, certainly in the West, to try and get rid of the idea of a sky god. Right. And now we're inventing one. Because the whole point of having the artificial general is that we'll be able to solve our problems for us, tell us what to do, help us to live better, you know, manage all the things we can't manage. And when we're scared, we can ask it. And it will know all our thoughts, just like God does.”
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“Every time there's We really could be in a simulation, but we will find that out if we are able to develop artificial general intelligence, because it will know. We can't work this out on our own. If we can create the AI I think we will find out whether we're in one or not.”
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“I would love to hear this film. I know, but I would love a great piece of shit about whether we're in a simulation right now because it really does make sense that a teenage kid from the future is screwing with us. Every time there's, I'm like, Ukraine, what? How did we get to the Ukraine? Like, it's got to be someone coming up with a wild plots and stuff. We really could.”
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“I think that's right. They won't have emotion. They don't care. Like you But we haven't given much thought to any other life for no, we just go.”
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“That they have to keep them Yeah, with the shattering windows. Yeah. That was funny, wasn't it? But you know, you're right, because we don't need everyone to do it immediately in cities. This is much simpler to do where everyone's more viable. Sure, in the Midwest, it's a lot harder. I get that. Keep your car. Yeah. But it's really about saying, not, well, the other guy's not doing it. Why should I do it? It's changing that around and saying, well, I can do it. So I will do it. And then the other guy can do what the other guy can do. So it's about trying to take responsibility instead of looking again for someone else to blame or looking for someone else to take the responsibility, take the heat. Just say, what can I do?”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Crazy. Like, I got an email from everybody in the Midwest about their trucks, their Ford F10s. Do they have to keep them? I don't, yes. I was like, fine, keep your car. But I was saying that someday owning a car will be like owning a horse you won't have one. And then, of course, Elon Musk introduces his fantastic truck thing that is the shattering windows. That was funny, wasn't it?”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Which is a huge privile Well, it's interesting. I just wrote two columns for the New York Times about I've stopped using car. I mean, I got rid of my cars. I was making the point that someday you will not own a car. You will have car sharing. They will be so efficient that the fuel economies will be better. There'll be battery driven. They'll be solar driven. And people went crazy.”
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“In your country. No, not at all. No, and the big oil companies, I mean, never mind big tech, you know, the three big polluters on their oil, gas, and actually weirdly after that, cement, which is a huge polluter because we're building with cement. We could look at that, but the fossil fuel industries, which are all subsidised industries, they are not profitable industries. And I just wish this could be said enough, really are going to hold on till the last drop of oil has ruined the planet. I mean, in Britain, we are doing more with electric cars now. Again, because we're a small country, probably we have to. And I look around America, I just think, how are you guys going to make the switch from a fossil fuel economy to an electric economy?”
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“Right, in your country. No, not at all. I think, but it's sort of a slow drip. Like the Midwest is flooded. What's really fascinating is that you don't see a lot of tech solutions for this problem. Like there's just a recent announcement about carbon eating. A lot of it has to do with taking the problems and cleaning them up, but not solving the problems. Like we can get rid of carbon, we can clean up the oil spills, but it doesn't get to the oil problem. No.”
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“Not in the sense that we are here now. As sea levels rise as the planet heats up. You know, you're used to it a little bit more, but you've seen that, you know, the wildfires around Los Angeles this summer. I was, again, I was in Los Angeles and people going around, they couldn't go outside. Right. You haven't seen those levels. Right.”
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“You know, these guys look, you know, you've got Bill Gates, he's so rich, he's sitting there, I think so complacent at the moment, talking about, oh, we'll fix it by 2050. And you just think, no, we won't, Bill, because we won't be here. Right.”
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“Going to They have outfits. What are you talking about? No one likes an outfit better than a nerd. Little suit, little spacesuit. Are you kidding? I ran into Richard Branson on the floor, the New York Stock Exchange. He was wearing a spacesuit. I thought, God love you. God love you, Richard. I didn't know what to say. I was like, you're wearing your spacesuit. And, okay. All right. Fine. Yeah. Are you taking off today? Are you going somewhere? I don't know about.”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. The tech guys for mine. It's another thing. What is it with them with rocket ships and going to live in space? You think, guys.”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Except for the Chinese ones, which are busy with surveillance And again, because it's so competitive, surely this is a moment in human history where we could share our resources. First to save the planet, which is the only real question. Everything else is a vanity project. You know, no planet. There's nothing we're going to be able to do.”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There isn't one person because obviously for dramatic purposes, you focus in on an individual and follow their story because that's how a good story is created. I don't think we have a single individual doing that now. I think it's the big companies. I don't think it's governments. I think it's the big tech companies.”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah. I'm not pointing the finger. We've got enough problems at home. But I'm saying that if you're a responsible adult, no matter how wealthy you are, I've created a company, you owe a lot to the society that helped get you there. You know, the research and development in the universities, the roads we all use, the education system that these companies depend upon together.”
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“Level of poverty, the rough sleeping. I've seen it enough in my country. But when I saw that rich, powerful city and those people struggling and suffering, I thought, guys, you got to get out here and manage this.”
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“We could only do that if tech is really shared. You know, I'm a great one for taxation. I pay a lot of tax myself. I don't have much time for people who have more money and I'm one of them moaning about their tax bill. You know, we've done fine in this world. Just pay up. And certainly when it comes to Silicon Valley, both individuals and companies, they have the resources to help fix a lot of the social problems that they created. You know, you cannot privatize the profit and nationalize the risk and the difficulty. Well, they can't. And that's what they do. Yeah. And I hate that. And I just wish that we were all a bit stronger and said, look, what are you doing is immoral. Use the word with confidence to say it's immoral. It's wrong. Don't wriggle out of it. Not interested in, you know, your fancy ways out of this. Just put the money on the table and fix the problems you created. If they did that, no, I was in San Francisco recently on the book tour. I was horrified by the...”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, he was badly made. It was a good idea that went horribly wrong. Yeah. And obviously ends up with murder and mayhem in the story, Mary Shelley's story ends as a tragedy. I mean, a rather beautiful tragedy with the monster in a sort of got a damnarung of fire and the Arctic ice burning himself to death after Victor Frankenstein has also died on board Captain Walton's ship. It's a beautiful ending. In fact, if people haven't read it for a while, I'd say, you know, just take some time and read it. Don't rush it. Just read it carefully and slowly. See what you think after 200 years. I still have hope that we won't turn tech into a monster. But I do think...”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, when you think about this, you all do have much more of a sense of regulating and reining in these companies. Do you see them, I want to finish up a little bit talking about who do you see the monsters as? And I don't think Frankenstein was a monster. I think he was. Badly created, right?”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. And I think that's what it is. And income inequality. I think that's really at the heart of that. And with these technological changes, you're going to see a permanent underclass, really. And I always say to the really wealthy people of Silicon Valley, you're either going to pay to fix this or you're going to pay to armor plate your Tesla.”
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“Totally, yeah And it's astonishing that we can't manage that. You know, it's going to be 2020 next year. Right. And we can't fix a basic standard of living for our citizens on this planet. Exactly.”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They can't blame what has been 10 years of Conservative Party cuts to the social fabric. They would rather blame immigrants and they would rather blame the European Union. Look, we spend our lives looking for somebody to blame at home. We always say, it's not my fault. You did that. And it's just the same in the world, but it's about growing up and it's saying, yes, you know, this is shit. But actually, am I blaming the wrong people?”
2020-01-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jeanette Winterson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, we've got a largely right-wing press because the owners of our newspapers are mainly right-wing. The Guardian is on the left and does its best, but it can't do everything. I think we are as a country naturally conservative. So in the past, the central ground has worked, whether you were centre-left or centre-right. It's been quite a good place to govern from and it's more or less managed. You know, things collapse for us after the 2008 global crash because then we had in a coalition government that pushed hard really fearful austerity measures. And that's where a lot of people dropped out of the net. This is where the people who have nothing to lose and nothing to gain suddenly appeared. Too many of them. You can't cut social services in the welfare state safety net to the level that we did and expect people still to feel that they want to be part of the social fabric. Sure. So that's our problem. Yes, people are aware of it, but I think people who voted for Brexit and who will now try and vote through Donald Trump really believe that there is a magic solution to all their problems. They need someone to blame and for some reason.”
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“Why not? Yeah Well, or they now know they don't, given all the abilities to communicate. I've always thought more communication wasn't necessarily good. You had all these gatekeepers sort of keeping society on a tamp down. And now the top is off. And that's to me what's really happened with a lot of these. I'm going to get back to technology because I do think if you think about it, you didn't know what you didn't know. And now you know, and you have an ability to also communicate and also be manipulated by information all at the same time. Are British people rising up about this in this technological forces, obviously Boris Johnson, others have been a lot of technological”
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“Yes, December 12th. Let's hope we get a hung parliament. Look, I didn't think the world was going to slide to the right in the way that it has. But I think... When you disenfranchise in the wider sense too many people, you're always in danger of letting fascism in because when enough people are saying, I've got nothing to lose, when they have no longer a stake in civilized society. Why not? Yeah. Then they will just look for the strong man. They'll look for the person with the quick headline solutions. He says, I can fix this. They don't want to look at complexity. They just feel let down by everybody. And we've pushed that too far. We've done it in Britain and you've done it in America. It's happening in Europe. Too many people don't have a stake in what we used to call society anymore. And that's dangerous.”
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“Not dying. I think guys have a particular problem with that. I don't know why. I mean, I think they are obsessed with immortality. Perhaps in a way that I haven't noticed so much with women. I don't like to make gender-based assumptions. But nevertheless.”
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“I ran into him He mustn't have liked that. No, he didn't like that. Because he's really trying not to die, right? Yes. He wants to get to the moment where he can be uploaded.”
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“I Which I understand There's been a million boys from Brazil. You got a million awful stories. He's a character. I ran into him at one point. He was a Google and I know his son very well. And I said, no matter what, I use the line from the share movie, Moonstruck, where I said, no matter what you do, Ray, you're going to die. He mustn't have liked that. No, he didn't like that. Because he's really trying not to die, right?”
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“Will recurs while thinks that if you can get a bit of DNA, you might be able to bring people back, you know, like they do with mammoths at present. I mean, it's a terrible idea. He wants to bring back his dad, which I understand. But imagine all the people who'll store bits of their DNA.”
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“Isn't that too many bodies then? Not bodies, minds around. If George Washington was still here, that would be kind of cool to get, you know what I mean, if we could have uploaded George Washington. Well, Ray Kurzweil thinks that.”
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“I love the Englishman Yeah, but probably not in this particular download. Your unique identity now as you and mine as me. That won't be here again because even if you upload me and I upload you, we're still going to be in a different body in a different time. So this part of us, this segment of our whole life, let's say, will go and we'll never get it back.”
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“I know, but the truth is, I am. Yeah, well, one of the things that was interesting you did use the Eagles quote. I love the Eagles. I love the Eagles too. Who doesn't love the Eagles? I love the Eagles. But we may lose them, we may never be.”
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“I hope we do. I think we get second chances both in our personal lives and in our larger lives in the world. And that's a saving grace for us as humans because we make a lot of mistakes and it takes a while for us to get things right. I feel the same with climate breakdown. I think we've still got a chance. There's still time for us to use our enormous talents, information capacities to pull back from the craziness of what we're doing. And I feel that's true with any dystopian narrative just cuts out the idea of human hope and human progress. And I'm naturally optimistic, which may be foolish.”
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“Exactly. So they have privacy. No, it's always safe for the wealthy. Unless you're completely off grid in every sense, life will no longer be private, even in the way that we know it is private now. That was one”
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“You know, so we are going to be owned and watched in a way which makes just CCTV in stores and on the streets just like Charles Play now. We will belong to the whole Big Brother system. It's going to be there. And we're not going to be able to change that. All the protesting in the world won't mean that you're not watched continually. What I fear is that every single thought of ours will also be monitored, which would be quite easy to do. So everything that you think will be known by somebody else. There'll be no such thing as privacy, which is what Mark Zuckerberg predicted. He said that privacy was an anachronism. You know, the man who buys the houses on both sides of him so that he can be private.”
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“Things No, they shouldn't. You're quite right Yes I think that will be impossible because, you know, as discussed with transhumanism, once the implants start going in, they're also going to contain and collect information because data is the new golden oil, as we know. So there'll be a trade-off. Anything that we get from the big companies, whether it's better working eyeballs or it's something you can hear, something you've got a little implant in there monitoring your heart, your blood pressure. That data is all going to flow out to whoever owns it.”
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“I try to do that, but I talk about ethics and things like that. But how do you actually get that to happen? Because I sometimes I feel like the technology still beats that very quickly. Whether it's, and in some cases artificial intelligence is better than people shouldn't work in mines. No, they shouldn't. You're quite right. People shouldn't work on manufacturing for the most part. Robots do it better. Eventually, when they're cheaper, they can make food. They can do this. They can do that. What happens then to the human experience of work and the idea of, you know, even if these choices are better for the human race, it sort of does make us useless. We're not a pair of hands. We don't need a pair of hands anymore. And we don't need the brain part. Because most things, what I always say is anything that can be digitized will be digitized. Anything, everything that everything that can be digitized. How do you create a human race that isn't like that, isn't fascist, isn't always watched in that kind of configuration.”
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“It's here. And one of the things you can't do is change the time that you live in. You know, you can change your country, your job, your partner, even the color of your skin, certainly your gender. We have a lot of choice. None of us can do anything about the time that we live in. And I see that really directly as each individual's challenge, the hand that you dealt with. So if we're here and now, right at the beginning, we discussed that, you know, you can't be passive, you can't turn away. I think everybody has to get involved and not just think, oh, great, I can go on my laptop and browse the channels. It's really about saying what's tech doing and is my voice being heard? Do I even have a voice in this conversation? And at present, the answer is no. So we need a lot more people to be getting together to say, well, what exactly are you doing now, Google, Amazon? I try to do that.”
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“So, you wrote in the book The World is the start of something new, what will happen has begun in the book, which I thought was a great. And I think it was one of the reviews that says, we now have technology to redesign ourselves, but to manage it, we still need technology to understand ourselves. One fluid enough to incorporate the past and the future, the real and the imagined one expansive enough to offer a life beyond our bodies. Winterson is reminding us in the form of the novel that technology is already here. How do you react to that?”
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