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“I did. I did. And I wrote about one, Manuel in particular. He was a mechanic and worker on our farm for 24 years. And I talked about how he had come illegally initially. He ended up marrying a citizen and getting his green card. He still lives in Snowflake. I last saw him this summer, this past summer, at my father's funeral. a good man raised six children of his own in Snowflake who have all participated in the American dream. And I've always said, if you worked with migrants, immigrants like Manuel, it's tough to look at people who came across illegally as a criminal class. They were just trying to make life better for themselves and in turn they've made life better for all of us. And sometimes I'm all”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was interesting at that time, I should point out it wasn't illegal to hire them, it was illegal for them to be in Arizona. There was very little deterrence at the border at all and not even a barbed wire fence in most places. So people would tend to come across the border and then go home for birthdays or anniversaries or the season ended. And the border patrol actually would patrol northern Arizona and the farms and round people up every once in a while, which was not good for us, the kids, because then we had to move all the sprinkler pie for milk all the cows. We didn't have much help.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Tell anybody. So, but it was a wonderful way to grow up. I learned a lot and I learned how to work, I learned how to get along certainly with 10 siblings. You need to do that.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But mine, I was only five years old, and we were working on what's called a wind drawer or swather, like a combine that cuts alfalfa. They were removing the long blade, and I put my finger where I shouldn't have at age five, and it snipped the end right off. I don't remember too much. And you became a rancher at that point. But my dad grabbed the finger, the end of the finger, put it on the end of my finger, and wrapped it with a hanky and put me in the truck and finished the job and then drove me to the doctor in Snowflake. And he sewed it back only it fell off. No, it fell off later in the swimming pool. Snowflake's only swimming pool. I just remember yelling to my mom who was on the side, 10 siblings around. I said, mom, mom, my finger fell off, my finger fell off. She looks around as only the mother of 11 can do. And she said.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I always think if you didn't lose at least the end of one digit, you didn't work very hard. My dad was missing this three, and my brother this one and on this one. John the Tester. Oh, yeah, yeah.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You bet, you bet. And anybody who hasn't been experiencing the outdoors as much as some of us have over the past couple of decades, and you see it, and there are a lot of things that need to be done in that regard, but we've got to do it in a smart way.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Some are different by region. I would argue that the federal government has moved far too far on some of those regulations. In Arizona, for example, dealing with these dust storms that come through, they call them Habibs or whatever that roll through every year, and we just haven't been able to get the EPA to recognize for decades that that's a dust storm and it comes through regardless and not to penalize Arizona because we've had a dust storm. So there are things that the federal government in particular has gone too far on that we've needed to roll back and we have on some of those. But we need to strike a balance, particularly with the environment. I grew up in climate change.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“East of Main Street, you're Democrats, west of Main Street, you're Republicans, and the flakes were east of Main Street. And so it really held until this last generation, my father. He was a registered Democrat, until my mother, when she was courting him, said, you know, Dean, I think you're really more of a Republican. But it didn't matter as much then, and certainly all I ever witnessed was Republicans and Democrats working together and getting things done. And that's been kind of the example I've had. And that's the example I think a lot of people have at the state level, certainly the local level, and wonder why in the world in Washington we've become so tribal.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, in the late 1800s, the Mormon Church was concerned that it might have too many people in the church in one party or another, and when an administration changed, it might put the church in a bad way with the administration. So they famously went to a lot of congregations in Utah and Arizona and said, basically those sitting in the left pews today register a Democrat, those sitting in the right, or vice versa. So you still have some...”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just lost the end of my one index finger, so I made out quite well, actually. It was a good way to grow up, and I had a lot of wonderful examples of People like my father was a mayor of Snowflake. It evolved civically in many other ways. My uncle Jake Flake from Snowflake was the Speaker of the House in Arizona, long tradition of public service. But in such a good way, these were men who and women who knew that you had to get things done. He grew up on a ranch. I had to tell you he was Democrat.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, yeah, 1878. He was told to go colonize Arizona. And so he went from southern Utah to northern Arizona. Legend has it. He tromped around for six months, went back and told Brigham Young, there's nothing worth settling down there. But he got said back. Yeah, he said, sell all you have and go and look a little harder. And he did. He bought the valley where Snowflake now is. And then Erastus Snow, one of the Mormon apostles who was kind of over the colonization of Arizona, came down to look at the settlement. And he asked if it had a name yet. My great-great-grandfather said, no. He said, call it Snowflake for the two of us. And so that's where I grew up. And it was really an idyllic way to grow up. Ten brothers and sisters grew up on a cattle ranch”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think overall I'm not excited about it. I hope we don't push too far that direction. Local schools and states may want to experiment and do some things and I think that that's proper. But as a national policy sometimes it's more of an excuse not to do the things you know you should do and distract people's attention. I hope we don't do that on this issue.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What is your view of that? Less so. There are times when you have teachers that qualify or certified or seek certification that may make sense. But as a solution to this problem, I don't see it.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've been a member in the past, far past, but they're a very powerful organization in terms of organizing during campaigns and Republicans recognize that. But I think standing in the way of common sense reforms has really hurt them in the eyes of a lot of people. And I think justifiably so to argue everything is a slippery slope. And if we do this, all of a sudden all guns are going to be taken away and this kind of apocalyptic dystopian view future with government coming in and taking all your guns. I do think that we can have common sense reforms that still honor the Second Amendment and you're right to bear arms.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think the president will come around, but I think we may have to move forward recognizing that the president may not agree until it gets to his desk. He seems to have backed out, and we've experienced this on immigration as well. When we talk about on Capitol Hill is that the Tuesday Trump or the Thursday Trump, the Tuesday Trump mean very accommodating on DACA, for example.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Having these high school kids who can speak and speak articulately and can organize through social media, their parents are very organized as well. That seems to have been maybe the missing ingredient. And if it's sustained, and it will need to be sustained, then I think we can make some of these common sense changes that we should make. And you do”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You bet, and that's something that I'm co sponsoring as well with Martin Heinrich legislation to stop any mechanism that basically makes a semi-automatic act like an automatic.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I grew up in a rural area and I don't want to make criminals out of those who sell a 22 caliber rifle to their friend or something like that. I mean, but we can have restrictions. We do have restrictions, age restrictions on handguns, for example. We have restrictions on automatic weaponry. You have to have an increased security level or go through additional hoops for that. So we have common sense. Although these drum stocks can”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You bet they have. They're articulate and they're committed and they have access to social media that really has changed the game. And so I hope that they keep at it. I talked to one of the victim's fathers just last night. Devastating. But they're really trying to make something good come out of this, and I commend them for it.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You have a security risk, but there's no prohibition right now. That ought to keep you on a similar list not to be able to purchase a weapon, I would think, but we haven't been able to get that passed yet. I hope we're able to. I don't know what we'll be able to do this week. I sense that we may have crossed some kind of Rubicon here.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He did, and then he had lunch with the NRA folks. Yeah, he may have pulled back a little on that. We'll see as we go through the week. I hope that he hasn't. I hope that he sticks to it. And I'll also reintroduce with Susan Collins, the no-fly, no-buy, something that simply makes sense. If you're on a no-fly list where you can't get on a list. If you're viewed as a security security.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I don't think that they should be, and one thing that we'll be introducing this week, myself and Diane Feinstein, is something to lift the prohibition to H21. The shooter in Florida, 19 years old, was able to purchase an AR-15 when he couldn't purchase a handgun. I don't think you can explain why should have such ready access to an assault type weapon.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I just remember that thought lingered how, why? And our politics has come to a pretty bad place. It turned out the shooter had a list of Republicans that he didn't like or didn't like policies that the party had adopted. It's just an awful place we're in right now.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, it was awful. We were in the dugout part of the time applying a tourniquet to another staffer who had been shot, but not being able to get out to Steve because gunfire was still raging overhead. But the most enduring memory I have of that is when the volley, the first volley rang out, the one that when they got Steve, I turned to the dugout, the only place you could run to, and I could see bullets pitching on the gravel around or in front of where I had to run. But I still remember thinking at that time, why us? Why here? Really? I mean, can somebody look out at a field with middle-aged men playing baseball and see the enemy?”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, Braddock. I got out there first, and then Brad Winstrup came. He was a doctor, fortunately, a medic, who knew what he was doing. I didn't. But then calling Steve's wife afterwards to let her know that her husband had been shot and wanted her to hear it from somebody else in the news. When you saw him”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, I've been doing this baseball game. It's one of the best institutions in Congress bipartisan. Why is that? It's just, you know, you play against each other, Republicans and Democrats, but it's very much a bipartisan affair. And we raise a lot of money for charities.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You wanted to, and so I would help her up, which left me the lone Republican standing to the Democratic applause lines when President Obama spoke. And I immediately got texts and emails the rest of the night. Why are you standing? For”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A lot of feedback from that one. Remarkable. I'd simply said that, jokingly, I said, now I'm trying to find ways that I hate Tim Cain, but I'm drawing a blank, and he's a good man. And I got, boy, the number of emails and texts and tweets that were upset at that. And perhaps when I felt it most was when Gabby Gifford's was shot. And we left an empty chair for her at the State of the Union just after the incident. And a year later, she came back to Capitol Hill to retire, but was at the state of the Union. And so I sat with her. She's still a good friend of mine. And she was unable, given her conditions still, to stand up”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's really, really troubling. We've seen this drift where it's not just those across the aisle that I have a disagreement with, but it's the enemy. And I got a real taste of it when President Obama was elected not long thereafter. He invited several of us to play basketball on the court on the South Line. CNN, I think, and other outlets were reporting who had been invited. I got to the White House. I was in the basement there, putting on my basketball shoes. And I got a call that was patched through from Capitol Board Switchboard or something, a woman who was just hysterical. She had seen reports that I was playing basketball with President Obama, and she was just crying, saying, don't play basketball with that man. And it was just this vitriol that...”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What's the deal here? I don't want to say, but I can say that he is intensely loyal and he's never uttered one syllable that would lead anybody to believe that he wasn't being loyal to this administration or this president.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Speeches and the book and so on. Yeah, we talk, he comes to the Senate quite often. I'm glad he does. I'm glad he is where he is. I am. And he's a good man. Is he just trying to try?”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I do Yeah, Mike and I both ran think tanks, conservative think tanks in the 90s. We got elected at the same time. We were good friends. Still are. But for 12 years in the House, very, very close. Our families are close. And so it's been a little different to have in the White House.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Or some of the other issues that we've talked about, they're wanting a Congress that can actually govern. And that's what troubles me.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Argument Would have lost. You know, the problem is you can win an election here or there, but you can't stop the tide. And I think California certainly recognized that. In the mid-90s with Prop 187, the hardcore anti-immigrant proposition that was on the ballot, it helped Republicans help the governor win re-election. And we've hardly seen a governor, or I'm sorry, a Republican win statewide election since and probably won't for a long time. So I'm not arguing that you can't gin up the base, get people excited, and win an election here or there. But long term, it's just death for the party. And it's not just with minority voters. It's young people. I mean, young people have been moving away from the party, walking away for a while now. I think right now they're at a dead sprint when you talk about whether it's gun issues or...”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is. When you look just with regard to Hispanic voters, for example, George W. Bush, 44% of the Hispanic vote. If you look at every election cycle, as a country, are about 2% less white than we were four years before. Obviously, we've got to find a way as a party to appeal to a broader electorate. And we went through this exercise after the Mitt Romney loss in 2012. We had this autopsy. and concluded we've got to appeal to a broader base. You won the presidential elect”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is, and I've seen some polling recently where you test the issues that people are concerned with. And it depends on what's hot at the moment, whether it's the economy or immigration. Where you are with Trump in terms of if you're an elected official looking for re-election or looking to gauge where the voters are, the most important issue for Republicans that vote regularly in primaries are, are you with the president? And that's something we haven't seen before to this degree, certainly. And I don't think it's a very healthy position to be and to be wedded to the president in his positions or his behavior. I just think long term for Republicans, that's not a good place to be in.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Same reaction I've had before. You can have disagreements with people without going after them like that. I went to see John just a couple of weeks ago at his ranch in Arizona. He is working hard and recovering. I hope that we have him back. But he's a genuine hero in time. He's a war and peace and to go after him like the president has done on occasions is simply not fair.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, sure. Sure, that's kind of the MO. At that time, he had made statements when he launched his campaign on Mexican immigrants that was derogatory. Then he'd gone after John McCain and said that he couldn't be a war hero because he was captured. And then he made this statement about the Mexican judge saying that he couldn't judge fairly because of his heritage, the judge born in Indiana, I believe, calling him a Mexican. That's beyond the pale. And that, I mean, when you look at where our party needs to go in the future, if we want to be a governing majority, we just can't do these things. We shouldn't do these things.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Arizona. Right. I certainly couldn't win as a Republican running the kind of campaign that I felt that I needed to run. I couldn't. I just couldn't see agreeing with some of the president's position and condoning his behavior. If that was the price to win re-election, I simply wasn't willing to pay it. And so I may not be the best messenger in terms of how to saddle that some of these issues. But man, it's painful to see the Congress defer so much to the president. And I should say this hasn't just been with this president. This has been a trend for decades. Things like the AUMF or authorization for use of military force, that's something the Congress should have insisted on doing years and years ago. And some of us have been pushing it. But boy. But there are two separate.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think I do get a lot of people saying I'm glad you say that, and I agree with you. But I do have a few saying we shouldn't poke the bear like this. This doesn't do any good. We've got to work with the president, and certainly we do. The president signs or vetoes legislation. But I had a big problem when our leadership a while ago was saying, we can't bring an immigration bill to the floor unless the president agrees with it. Since when? I mean, the Congress passes legislation. The president either signs it or vetoes it. It's nice to have the president support, but you can't always say we'll only move because when you do breathe something to the administration after you've passed it, sometimes they find a way to like it. The Russian sanctions was a good example of that. The president said, no, don't do it. I don't like this. We pass it 98 to 2 and he found a way to like it.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You mean the sort of cereal tributes to what's more painful is to hear some of my colleagues in the Congress use similar language. I mean, we ought to have some kind of institutional pride at least and some kind of prerogative here where the Article I branch. We shouldn't willingly give up the authority that we give up on a number of issues and that's particularly bothersome to me. It's one thing for the cabinet and others to exhibit that kind of behavior. It's altogether another for the Congress to do so.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, he certainly has a fondness for authoritarians around the world that I just don't understand. I think a lot of people have a hard time understanding and is not very healthy in terms of our position in the world. But I wasn't comparing the president to Stalin. Nobody compares to Stalin. But what I couldn't understand and still can't understand is why the president would borrow language so identified with Stalin. Calling the press the enemy of the people. I think it's fair to say no better.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's right That's right. And then the gains that we've made and the gains in terms of our relationship with Mexico and the gains that Mexico has made in terms of privatization, rule of law, security and intelligence sharing with us, that goes. And so that's why when people say these tweets or this language, it doesn't matter, it's just Trump being Trump, it does matter. I just returned from a trip overseas for a week in the Middle East talking to our diplomats, talking to heads of state and others, and these things matter. These things matter. And it's not the way a conservative should act.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is. But words matter. Words matter. When the president talks about the press as the enemy of the people, for example, and then talks about fake news calling real news fake and fake news real, that has ramifications, particularly internationally, when authoritarians everywhere now borrow that language to justify cracking down on dissent and legitimate opposition as fake news. When the president talks about Mexicans in a demeaning way, about a Mexican judge calling him a Mexican in a pejorative way or talks about Mexico paying for the wall, that has ramifications, long-term ramifications. We'll likely see it this year in Mexico with their national elections.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When you look on the policies, most of what the Senate does in the first year of President's time is vote on his nominees. The so-called executive calendar filling out his cabinet and then court picks as well. And I'm a conservative. And so I do vote to put the judiciary in a more conservative direction, certainly deregulation. I had voted some 30 times to repeal and replace Obamacare, why somebody would think that I would change that vote simply because the president comes along and agrees with our position. I don't know. I tend to, a lot of this is the Congress or conservatives driving this reform. But being a conservative is not just being conservative on policy. It's being conservative in comportment and demeanor and manners. And we have anything but that. In the White House right now.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it's not just an indictment of Trump, and Trumpism, although I certainly don't agree with the direction that the party's going now under the president. But we were headed this direction long ago. I charted through my time in the House. kind of stopped being the party of limited government economic freedom, individual responsibility and kind of drifted off to fight the culture wars. That's when you always know you're in a bad place when you stop talking as a Republican about limited government or limiting spending and you start talking about flag burning or other cultural issues or immigration to try to make up for not being conservative fiscally. You have to emphasize other issues. When we started doing that 2006 Terry Shivo issues and whatnot, Knew we were in trouble and we lost the majority in the House and the Senate at that time.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and I don't think I've lost that. I just saw the Club for Growth rankings just came out for last year and I scored 100%, one of three senators to do so. So it's not that I've changed much, particularly on the fiscal issues. It's just the party is a different party than it was when I came in the year 2001.”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, it's not. I have a carved rhinoceros in my office. Rhino, Republican in name only. I guess I just embraced it. Which is kind of”
2018-03-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 222 - Sen. Jeff Flake · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source