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  1. Well, I've got to tell you, this is not that you need the plug, but hanging around this place, I'm optimistic if you're hoping, That if we could turn the country over to about half a dozen of the kids I've met here, I'd be really happy.

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  2. The rest of the 60s and early 70s, I think, would have been less dark. You know, you were in the middle of a cultural revolution, a sexual revolution, black and white were at each other's throats in a lot of places. But I think you would have had at least the chance to demonstrate that there was a way for government to move beyond the orthodox liberal and often ineffective solutions to something much different, kind of a combination of personal responsibility and public commitment. And I think we would have had a different country. Now, what it would have been like 50 years down the line couldn't tell you.

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  3. I think it would have been tough for him to, but won the nomination, I think beating Richard Nixon with a Democratic president who would have done everything he could to undermine Robert Kennedy would have been dicey. But I do think this, had he won and quickly moved to resolve the Vietnam War.

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  4. Now, that to me is beyond any particular policy issue, or is there going to be a terrorist attack? That's the wild card. That's the black swan for me. I don't do predictions. I don't know how to do predictions. But that's the part of it that makes me wonder. Just how Black Swanny November is going to turn out to be

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  5. All true, but I don't think that's the full answer to the question I think I've told you this. This is the piece that I wrote months ago when I started rethinking this. I think there's a period every so often in American political life, not frequently, when particularly aggrieved voters learn they can do something they didn't know they could do, that becomes a hugely powerful force. The removal of Gray Davis in California, the recall in 2003 and his replacement with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Over 100 years, I don't think there's ever been a success recall in California until an ambitious congressman with a lot of money who wanted to be governor threw a bunch of money into the recall effort. And suddenly voters said, oh, wait, we can get this guy out six months after we re-elected him and we can put in pretty much anybody we want.

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  6. All true. And if you gave me a certain amount of disposable income and asked me how to bet it, Yeah, I would bet it on Hillary, but I would say if the odds were right, I would want to have some back. Because I understand that what we've seen is a plurality of the Republican Party voting, not the 130. Trump has 11.

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  7. She got really defensive and testy. And the irony here is, look, on traditional grounds, who knows more? Who's versed in public policy?

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  8. Most of all, by the instance, I mean. Yes, many Democrats voted for the war in Iraq. She is perhaps the only one who made an allegation that Saddam Hussein was somehow involved with al-Qaeda and 9-11. Took that step. A lot of people, everybody changed their mind about gay marriage by almost everybody. But you look at what she said about that when she was on the other side, and she talked about one man, one woman marriage as a building block, a foundation block of Western civilization. Now, you know, When you commit yourself that strongly to position A, Then, a couple of years later, as the shift in the wind goes on, you're in position not A, it gets harder. Do you remember what happened when Terry Gross, a fresh air, just started pushing Hillary Clinton on? So was this a political...

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  9. Right wingers. My mother schooled me on what it was like during the Nazi Soviet pact listening to the communists trying to rationalize that one. So I was... I thought His was guilty from the beginning But the point about this is that of all of the democratic possibilities that might have run, I think she's uniquely vulnerable to Trump because she symbolizes everything that he is telling people of wrong. And anything that she throws at him. You don't know anything. Oh, well, you knew everything. That's why you voted for the war in Iraq and screwed up the Russia reset and Syria. Well, you're corrupt. Really? How much money have I taken from Goldman Sachs to give speeches? I think, and I think that the change of positions, it's not just that she changed positions. Everybody does that.

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  10. I would go further. I think if you imagine any of the conceivable Democrats who might have run this year, and I'm putting Bernie Sanders aside only because I do think that a 74-year-old socialist is uniquely vulnerable to certain kinds of attacks.

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  11. They love him for the enemies he has made, it was said of FDR. In a very different way it could be said about Trump supporters.

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  12. But by God, this guy's got the money and the Cahones to do it. The uglier part about that is, you know, when that term political correctness has been distorted. I mean, it's one thing, if you go on a university and there's a student protest against Kung Pao chicken because it's cultural misappropriation, that to me comes down to, you know, give me a break. But if the political correctness is you're not supposed to call immigrants racists or embrace white nationalist notions, that's not political correctness. That's like simple civility. And I know what you're getting at, that Trump has hit a responsive cord that resonates in a whole lot of ways. These may be people who feel the political establishment has left them behind. I certainly think he resonates with people who see the elites as condescending, not playing by the rules.

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  13. In fact, that particular truna phrase has been used by any number of Trump supporters in explaining to people precisely those terms. He says what I can't. And I think that has two meanings. One is, you know, I can't talk back to my boss. I can't share all my opinions with my friends.

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  14. Senator from Virginia, who was going to run for president in 2008, said for a big reelection there's a guy with a cell phone or a high eight camera tracking him. Alan points at him and calls him Makaka, which was a term of derision for dark-skinned Northern Africans that he obviously learned from his mother. That was it. He lost a campaign by a margin, and that was that. And here's Trump, who Says things again and again and again and was called out on them. I mean, we should not assume that the media let him off the hook on them.

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  15. I mean, in the first few weeks, you know, a lot of the coverage, particularly was, you know, look at what he's saying. Can he survive this? And much to the surprise of many of us, me included, the bug turned out to be a feature. He was connecting in a way that would have destroyed certainly politicians in the past. I was thinking back of all the political people undone by an errant turn of phrase over the years, cabinet members who told vulgar obscene jokes, you're fired. Even George Allen, one word, right? Macaka from...

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  16. Maybe he would talk fast then. I don't And I also think it's a very mixed bag on how Trump was treated beyond that. I think the decision of the networks to let him phone it in literally phone it in because that meant ratings was a gift to him, let him campaign strictly on his terms. I think some of the interviews that I saw were embarrassing and some of them were very good and very tough. And that's one thing about this notion that he got $1.9 billion in free advertising.

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  17. That part, I think, is a valid rep. When you put a candidate on for an hour unfiltered, you might as well be state television in Havana putting on a speech by Fidel. To that extent

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  18. Maybe there's something that is so different now that all the reflectiveness in the world isn't going to get you very far. I mean, maybe something has happened to the way that the process works now, and I throw this out as a possibility, that the assumptions that people like me took into this business Have been overtaken by events. I got Trump's semi right last August, but that was only after assuming on three different occasions he was finished.

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  19. That I have, that's exactly the point. That I have to file for the web? Did I have to tweet? Did I have to, I don't know what, shoot video? No, I had the luxury thanks to the business model back then of saying, take your time and see what you can find. And What confuses me a little is, particularly in this campaign, which I confess to have been gobsmacked by any number of times, is.

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  20. So it's 1992, and I go up to New Hampshire with a crew, and we don't go near Pat Buchanan, the conservative commentator, is running in the Republican primary against incumbent President George Herbert Walker Bush. And I go to the biggest mall in Manchester And what do I see? The department store that's been there for, I don't know, for 100 years is closed. The only things open in this mall are the unemployment office and the welfare office. And I turn to my producer and I say, you know what? I think Bush is going to be in trouble here. But Nightline, God bless its former soul under Ted Koppel, had the money, had the resources to say, all right, you're going to go, you're going to spend a few days in New Hampshire, see what you can find, and maybe we'll get a piece out of it As opposed to did I have

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  21. It is so much cheaper to put on a talking head than to send me out with a producer and a camera crew. I mean, I'll give you one example. We all treasure what we did, right? Because that's what journalists are.

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  22. But my point is, I think. I think that the pace of the coverage, the demand for now, now we've got to tell you what's going on this instant. I don't see a lot of what I love doing, which is not running around on campaign planes where even back as early as like 88, I remember thinking, I'm not learning anything meaning. Right.

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  23. I mean, you're there. You're in the mix of this how CNN covers it. I'm always reluctant. I really do think it's not good to say, well, in my day, the tomatoes are really fresh, right? Atlantic City movie where... Guy says how great the ocean is in Port Lancaster says, You've just seen it in the old days. It's a real line. It informs a lot of what I think. But having said that At least on television, I don't see a heck of a lot of reflectiveness. You know, I see armies of commentators and analysts and strategists, some of whom I think I have to share this with you. I think sometimes when they call somebody a strategist, it's like I'm a baseball strategist because I sit in my hotel room and I yell at Joe Girardi. Get him out!

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  24. So, when you ask the difference, the speed of reaction to politics. Has increased just geometrically. And one of the things that I have often wondered, although this campaign with Donald Trump may prove I'm wrong, is is it possible in this day and age for a campaign, for a candidate to kind of pull back and not respond instantly? The theme is you've got to respond instantly or you're doomed. The last political figure I can think of for obvious reasons I think who had a different approach to this as the rhythm was changing was Reagan because I think Reagan would say, he reminded me kind of of a bear who was kind of half asleep and occasionally would sort of swat the press away because it didn't seem to get to him or his people. But I do think that

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  25. So it took two days before the Ford campaign went, oh boy, we better do something about this. Peter Hamby, the former CNN producer, who now is the political director of Snapchat, who wrote a wonderful book about, or did a wonderful study of the impact of Twitter on the 2012 campaign, notes that 45 minutes into the first Obama-Romney debate. Ben Smith of BuzzFeed declares Romney wins first debate. So if your guy in the second 45 minutes had done the greatest job in the history of debating, that

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  26. No internet, God knows. So think about that in terms of the pace of how information gets out. Here's another example that I think illustrates it. 1976 and the second presidential debate between Ford and Jimmy Corter. Ford declares that there is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe and never will be in a Ford administration. And his inquisitor, Max Franklin of the Times, after he gets up from the floor, says, you didn't really mean to say that, did you? And basically Ford says, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it took two days for the impact of Ford's statement or Gaff to become clear It took that one for the next, you know, there wasn't, there weren't panels of analysts instantly looking at the debate. There was analysis, but there were not endless tweets. Oh, look at what that moron said. So two days later, the first

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  27. Closer and closer to the committee he reelected the president, important White House aides, and then the question began bubbling up In the classic phrase of former Senator Howard Baker, what did the president know and when did he know it? Okay, but here's my point. So the evening news ends in those days on the east and west coast at 7.30. The next piece of news you got about Watergate was when the morning paper hit the doorstep. No cable, no McNiller report.

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  28. Let's just take one example that this is when I was still a consultant, but I think it's emblematic. So the Watergate breaks out, right? 1973, John Dean, the former White House counsel, starts copying to what was going on, and it is the dominant news story. Hearings on television all day. After the evening news.

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  29. Well, yeah, apparently I passed you on the way. You went from journalism to consulting. And I went from consulting to journalism.

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  30. I just remember going back to New York. I had just been married. My wife was on the campaign trail with me. It was a kind of a honeymoon. And I think what I remember is simply numbness. I don't remember. An emotional reaction, except, of course, that was the emotional reaction Because violence was so much in the air back then. It was almost like saying, oh, I see the way this ends. I get it. This is the ending. It was not a strong... Explosion of grief more than it was a deadening of it.

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  31. He did supposedly say, not to me there are guns between me and the White House. But you got to understand, I think, that I did another book about John Kennedy's death. And the day that John Kennedy was assassinated, he looked out the window at his hotel in Texas and said, you know, if there's somebody on a roof with a rifle, there's nothing we can do about that. Yeah, I do think it was fatalistic.

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  32. Everybody's getting ready for a victory party. We had kind of 60s kind of weird clothes. We were going to go to a hot place. I know. I had a narrow jacket, literally. We were going to go to a hot place called the factory, a disco, I think it was. And we started seeing what was going on on television. Going to sound, I suppose I don't know what the word is callous. I can't say everybody was surprised, shocked, horrified, because as you say, there was such a sense of violence in the air and such a sense, and many people said they're whoever they are. They're not going to let them live to do this. I don't share conspiracy theories, but there is that kind of.

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  33. He began by congratulating Don Drysdale on setting a record for consecutive scoreless innings. And he had one security guy, a former FBI guy, who because of that last-minute decision was trailing him by several feet. And so he walked into the kitchen, you know, with nobody but the Maitre d' and Sir Han was there.

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  34. And didn't run in any primaries because you didn't have to then. The delegates already been picked. So the notion was one of the last things Robert Kennedy ever said was I'm going to chase Hubert's ass all over this country. He was going to campaign in these big states, you know, try to hold similar to today, isn't it? Huge rallies and try to demonstrate that he was the actual choice of the Democratic Party and argue Hubert can't beat Nixon, I can. And this is one of those horrible events that tell you how much history turns on a dime. He was exhausted. He'd passed out in a speech the night before. Dick Cridwin described seeing him that day at a friend's house sleeping thinking that he might be really sick or even dead. So to spare him from a second rally.

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  35. You're quite right. We need to do this. Hubert Humphrey got into the race, the full backing of the AFL-CIO, the full backing of most of the Democratic establishment, all of the South.

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  36. In the four huge states, there was no primary. There was going to be one more primary in New York, which would have been bloody, but he had to win it. Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, New Jersey, all with delegates that had been picked months before. And in two of those states, solidly for Humphrey. And so the notion was he was going to have to.

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  37. Having lost the Oregon primary the week before, the first primary The first, I think, contest Annie Kennedy had ever lost. He knew that if he didn't win California, he said he'd withdraw. And he won a narrow victory in California. But because California back then had a winner-take-all rule, it meant a slew of delegates. And supposedly, if you believe A book about that last campaign supposedly Mayor Daly had said to a Robert Kennedy ally here in Chicago who worked for the university but was Kennedy's guy if he wins California it'll be all right So the implication there was Daley might go with him. On the other hand, I'm speaking politically

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  38. And he said He couldn't even get the name right. He said, that fellow Oswald, Lee Oswald, he said something loose in this country. I don't ever remember him referring to that event except for that night. The next day he gave a more formal speech about. About violence. The irony is, I think he said, what does violence ever accomplished? And actually, the answer is sometimes it changes history. Right.

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  39. And so please go home and say a prayer for your country. And then he came back to the hotel. And we were all working on a speech. Ted Sorensen by phone and Adam Walinsky and myself for a speech in Cleveland.

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  40. And he quotes from Aeschylus. You know, my favorite poet was Aeschylus, and it's even an art grief, pain we cannot forget false, drop by drop upon the horde until by the comes wisdom through the awful grace of God.

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  41. So Having seen the film of what I actually can talk about what happened and what happened after. You're exactly right. This crowd had been waiting for Bobby Kennedy for a couple hours and had not been smartphones and stuff back then. They didn't know. And he had to get up and said, I have sad news for all of us who love America. Martin Luther King was shot and killed. He began talking in ways that I don't think he'd ever done before. One of the things he did was to make reference to his own brother's assassination. For those of you who are tempted to hate, I can understand that. My brother was killed, but he was killed by a white man. It's an odd way to put it. And then he was, this is not myth. He was after his brother's death, he got deeply immersed in Greek tragedy, for reasons that might be interesting to talk about.

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  42. This is the generation that claims it's for justice, right? He said, you're in college because your parents have had the money or they've had the training to do this. Who do you think is going to that war in your place? This black kid from South Los Angeles, this Latino from the barrier, this poor white kid from Appalachia, they're doing the fighting because you don't have to. And this is a line that to the... And at that point, I remember staying in the back of wherever the hell this is.

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  43. And not give the obvious answer. And I've talked about this, I guess, to distraction. But what really hit me during that campaign, and something that maybe it's happened since. So in the middle of the war, and the big issue is draft deferments for college kids. And he would provoke this, by the way. He said, Do you want to know how I feel about draft affirmance for college kids? I'm against them. So this room full of college kids would boo. And he'd say, well, wait a second.

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  44. When I go into the ghetto, the two things people hate most are the public education system and the public welfare system. And he did think welfare was corrosive, encouraged dependency, created resentment among the people who are paying for it. What attracted me to him from the beginning was a speech he gave right after he got to the Senate. He said, I'm paraphrasing about black men. He said, we might have given him They have asked for meaningful work and we have given them a check and said there's nothing meaningful for them to do. 1965. So he was also to some extent not at war with but in conflict with some of the Of the Orthodoxies of conventional liberalism

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  45. He hated welfare. The first day I worked for him, I tagged along at a Senate committee hearing about federal aid to education, which is only two years old at the time. And he was really berating the head of the Office of Education. It hadn't been a cabinet department then. And he wanted to know why after this do the IQ, this is a big thing with him, why do the IQs of black kids drop between the third and the sixth grade? What's happening with the money? And then he said,

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  46. Sorry, Joseph Briefly, yes. But anyway, but he had a complicated, even particularly in 68 notion about what he thought. He was tough on crime because he thought crime principally afflicted the poor, blacks, browns, people who couldn't live in gated communities, but to the kinds of people who were editorials for the New York Times, that was, quote, turning to the right.

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  47. And more tradition So that, and you know because Bobby Kennedy was a really complicated guy in terms of his politics, which one of the things I was drawn to having grown up believing he was this McCarthy ruthless guy who liked to chase Jews home from school

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  48. In the middle of all this, there's what I later learned and what you no doubt have discovered campaigns, even no drama campaigns, tend to have their rivalries. There are people who want the candidate to say X, and there are people who want the candidate to say Y. And this is not a campaign which had months and months to work any of this out. As it was going on. Adam Walinsky and I, as his younger assistant assistant, you know, we were the bomb throwers. And then there were the sober sides who were

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  49. Even to the point where he would say on the morning, you're booking me in too many colleges, you're booking me in too many ghettos, I've got to get to Middle America, and then he'd say, where are the colleges, where are the black neighborhoods?

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  50. McCarthy wasn't a connecting person Detached is a kind word. He was almost contemptuous of his followers, and that came out later. So we are barreling through neighborhoods in California. He's halfway being pulled out of his car. The one security guy has got his arms wrapped around him. The de facto campaign manager, Fred Dutton's got his arms wrapped around the other leg. There is this... This goes back to...

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