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Jelani Cobb

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  1. Cater to them to offer to basically appeasement, right? The mainstream media's response to Republican aggression was appeasement. And now the game is over. And so the question is now, what do you do? What is the role you can play in American politics, American society, American democracy that has value? There still is a valuable one. It's incredible. We subscribe to a gazillion various news outlets and newspapers, and we find it very valuable. But it's not the same role in which I think a lot of journalists see themselves and a lot of sort of American political thinkers think of. Role journalism plays in American politics

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  2. Yeah, I don't think Caitlyn Collins or anyone else who asked a tough question of Biden or Obama or Schumer or Pelosi or anyone else necessarily doing it because they think it's going to win them plaudits with Republicans. But until you recognize the way the ground has shifted and what is possible and impossible, you're not going to be able to adjust the models for how you think about your business for the current environment. CNN has viewers. They service those viewers. Their job is to inform those viewers, right? And that, and I'm sure they all wake up every day and say, our job is to hold politicians accountable. And there are some very important journalistic work that does that, but you were doing it for the purposes of your viewers. You are no longer say about Donald Trump is going to change the mind of a Trump voter because Republicans spent 40 years telling everyone that you were biased against Republicans and you never push back on that. And your response to that was to

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  3. That doesn't mean that the media doesn't still play a very important role. The investigative pieces they do are incredibly important. And there are some media outlets that are succeeding despite this as businesses and as journalistic endeavors and they're doing great work. But the old world in which they could call balls and strikes on American politics is over. They lost. And this is what happens when someone wages a war on you. Instead of fighting it, you cover it.

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  4. This is the sad truth here that I agree with you. Most people don't get. The Republicans waged a decades-long war against the media, and they won. It is over. Republicans have won that war. They have convinced enough Americans that the media cannot be trusted. What that means is therefore the days in which Large portions of the public all agree that the media is some independent arbiter, fact-checker, or referee of American politics, American democracy is over.

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  5. Governor DeSantis sign a bill only in front of Fox News, in front of a live broadcast of Fox and France. There's like some real things happening here that changed the role the press plays. But Joe Biden getting snippy with a reporter is not one of those things. And then it was the coverage of what was interesting. It was like, he got snippy. He apologized. People are like, oh, that's great. He apologized. That's the right thing to do. And then he complained about his coverage after that. And then they got all mad again.

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  6. But all of the stuff about how this was bad for democracy, and this is an assault on the free press, is there's like a real boy who cried wolf problem with this is we can't distinguish between media criticism and actual assaults on the media or calling the media itself an enemy of the people or directing violence at the media. Liberals on Twitter were responsible for sort of some of this conflation in the Trump era where we would treat Trump calling the media the enemy of the people or banning media outlets from covering the White House or getting what Air Force One or whatever else with Trumping mean to Jim Acosta or whatever else. Like those are not the same things and it's important to separate them. And there are very, very, very real threats, particularly in the Trump era to the role of the free press in American democracy. You had

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  7. Just as you were a First Amendment right to report a politician or a reader or a podcast host or anyone else has a First Amendment right to complain about what you reported. That's how the fucking democracy works. And the problem with it is like it is certainly fair and appropriate for reporters to go on Twitter and defend Caitlin Collins' journalistic credentials. That is what a good colleague would do. I like to think we would do that for each other and our friends if they were in a similar situation.

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  8. And Caitlin Collins is a good reporter who deserved better for sure. If he was yelling at Peter Ducey, who was just trying to be a troll, that's one thing. But Caitlin Collins is a real reporter asking of totally fair. Question, although I, yes, asking a question she has ever right to ask, but we need to have a more nuanced conversation about media criticism. A politician criticizing a reporter or even losing temper of the reporter is not an assault on the free press. It's not a message for authoritarian.

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  9. Last night was the night of deleted tweets. My drafts folder was on fire about this. Ultimately, I'd say a couple things. One It is never a good idea for politicians, athletes, public figures to be jerks to reporters. Like it's just not the nicest thing to do. And more often than not, it is women reporters who are on the receiving end of those moments. Do you see it all the time in sports, in politics? It's what happens. It was good and frankly unusual that Biden went out of his way, went over and apologized for doing it. Clearly what happened is these trips are exhausting for the president. This is the last day of a very long foreign trip. They're jet lag. They haven't slept. They've been meeting 24-7. And he lost his temper. And he apologized for it. And that is a human way to do it, a decent way to do it. But

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  10. I mean, partially, the Biden folks also leaned into this, and they did a purpose. I don't think this is what the Renew. Like, they could have done what usually happens is they could have just done a bilateral meeting at the G20 in some conference room, right? And then just. But instead, they went to Geneva, this summit, there was a lot of pageantry to it. I think they wanted to make a point, not necessarily for domestic politics, but both to Russia and the world that this is a new era in US-Russian relationships, both for good and bad. Like we are going to be tougher than we were, but we're also going to be less ridiculous. So there was a point to it

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  11. Is the biggest story in Washington politics for the week and maybe even the month. Russia is an adversary. They obviously interfered in our election. There's a lot going on there. They play a big role in the world and one that is often in conflict with us. Obviously China is actually a much bigger deal than Russia, but Russian summits get more attention in Russian US relations get more attention because of the long history of the Cold War and summits between Gorbachev and Reagan and all of that pageantry that comes with it. But it's fair to say that the coverage while worthwhile was bordering on the absurd.

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  12. Fair, fair. But much of the coverage had this sort of steel cage match-esque, like two men go into a meeting who comes out, who wins, who loses. It's just a diplomatic meeting, right? It's just two people meeting. This is not the first summit between an American and a Russian president in decades or anything like that. They've met Obama met with Putin all the time and Medev before that. And Trump obviously very famously met with Putin in Helsinki. It is newsworthy. It is fair. It is fair to say.

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  13. The way this played out in the media is just a reminder that so much of political media is about making the ordinary seem interesting and the interesting seem exciting, right? Which is why it has to be discussed. Obviously, those political questions are in jest. I don't imagine there's anyone at Politico who thought Putin might actually disrobe in this meeting. But much of it, but they fixed it.

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  14. Smartly focus the motivation is to put it back in school to say these are these same because they're really talking about local politicians, the city council members, the state legislatures are trying to ban critical race theory, ban the 1619 project or whatever that is and say this is never too divided so they continue to starve our schools with the resources that we need and that what all we're trying to do is give an accurate rendering of history and so there is language to use i think is most effective but we have to recognize that there's not letters like that are going to continue to happen throughout time and there's still a and there's a massive conservative apparatus do go find those things and then turn them into giant stories

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  15. There is a way to talk about this overall, which is to take a step back and ascribe motivation to the cynical people, whether it's Tucker Carlson or some of these local activists, for what they are trying to do. And the folks, and not Shankarosario and the folks behind the race class narrative have put together a messaging memo on this for local officials to talk about why about to call it out what it is and why these politicians are trying to divide us. And they very, I think,

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  16. Like, it's just we can't, like, there's just no way that's going to happen. These people, they're incredibly well meaning, they're trying to do the right thing. They have no expectation that the letter they write to their town in Maine is going to end up on Fox News, right? That is, this is sort of where we live. So I don't have, like, that's not a problem we can solve. I think.

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  17. A couple things here. The first is I do think it's one other point to make about why this is such an imperative Republicans. Part of it is they are desperately looking for their new version of the Tea Party. They got to fire people up. Biden doesn't get their folks worked up like Barack Obama so unsubtly did. But there is a bigger existential threat to Republicans from the conversation that came out of George Floyd's murder, which is conservatism is about maintaining an old order in an old power structure. And when you have a big conversation about the tremendous flaws in cruelty that went into that power structure, it becomes very problematic, right? It actually raises the question of whether you really want to make America great again because of what that means. But the problem here is you just can't, and this Republicans weaponize this all the time. We just can't live in a world where we are going to convince a political well-meaning school administrators and teachers around the country to all adhere.

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  18. As Gielani points out, what they're saying is complete bullshit, right? It has no bearing in reality. But too often, Democrats focus on facts and Republicans focus on feeling. And there is, they are sowing real insecurity and disorientation among voters by using these buzzwords and using these very alarmist caricatures about what's happening.

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  19. Because they have had six, whether it was textbooks, busing, critical race theory. I mean, you remember President Obama was going to give a national address to schools in Republicans went insane over this because they thought he was going to doctrinate the children. They believe with some historical validation that there are a group of moderate-ish white voters who are for these advances in civil rights and dealing with systemic racism in theory, but in practice that is where the backlash happens. And in the place where it happens where that is most personal is in the schools when it relates to their children. So I think there is real political power here for what we're proposing to try and achieve. I'm not saying this is the strategy that's going to win the election or the White House or whatever else, but it's easy for Democrats to look at this and say, look at all these polls that show that most people don't know what it is, or it's completely...

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  20. That's a bit of a false choice in American politics right now because if we were having a world that if we exist in a world with a national popular vote running a national referendum, you have to choose between Republican base and quote unquote swing voters. But here in a world of the Electoral College, Senate malapportionment, gerrymander districts, its base plus a little bit, right? So American politics is a game of inches here. So exciting the base is table stakes for what they have to do. But Republicans have seen great success over the long history of the party in doing this very thing, which is ultimately Republican politics has been about since the Southern strategy about making white people scared about how a multiracial advances it towards a multiracial democracy affects their lives, right? And particularly white Christian people, that the political power and cultural dominance that they view as their birthright is under threat. And the place where they've had the most success is in schools.

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  21. There has been no eff From the Republicans, other than Lisa Murkowski, one person who has a very specific and very narrow view of what you should do being for fixing a giant hole in American democracy.

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  22. Think you might get some people who express vague openness to the idea. Like, once again, it's a one-page word document. It's not a bill. There's not legislation involved. I just cannot imagine a world in which a single Republican senator votes for a bill that includes a ban on partisan gerrymandering.

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  23. In all seriousness about hope, it is a hopeful statement. They still think the odds are quite long and with their million miles of travel to get there, but his private comments offer much more room to get something done on the filibuster that might increase the chances of a version of the Four of the People Act happening. Prior to that phone call being leaked to the intercept, the strongest belief based on what Manchester said is there is no chance for the filibuster, therefore there is no chance for the Ford People Act. This offers a different, more nuanced view of that. So if you want if you were someone who's still at the capacity for hope, this would be a reason to feel it.

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  24. Yes, yeah. My message to everyone take it from the people of Philadelphia. Do not feel hope it hurts. We should note just the other thing that Manchin said in there that has got a lot of attention and probably should is he told these billionaires to offer Roy Blunt, the retiring Republican senator a job so that he'll vote for the January 6th Commission.

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  25. Well, I should have been because the Philadelphia 76ers blew a 26-point lead and basically sank their entire season. So no, I don't feel hopeful.

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  26. The only way we're going to have a chance to actually have the conversation around the filibuster is to get a bill that gets a majority of Democrats. And that bill is whatever Joe Manchin wants it to be. Like you say, that sucks. We should have won more Senate races, but that is the world in which we live. So I think you have to do that. Schumer hinted at that last night where he said that when he was going through the calendar that the week of June 21st or whatever it is would be the for the people act, but that could be a placeholder for some sort of agreement. Compromised legislation.

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  27. America's Cup. I made a joke about funding for the Americas Cup and the sailing out community wrote letters to the White House. I had to do a phone call with someone. It was very disturbing. Anywho, that's neither here nor there. Yes, they should put it on the floor because...

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  28. Once when I worked in the White House, I made a joke about the funding in some Republican bill for the Davis Cup. No, not the Davis Cup. What's the sailing thing?

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  29. To me, like you were taking a real risk and were about to get some real blowback from houseboat people who probably have a huge voice on Twitter that we're unaware of. This is a constituency you've repeatedly attacked.

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  30. Artisan gerrymandering is a 10 year problem that makes all the other things we care about voter ID, voter suppression, everything else so much worse. And so if you could do something right here right now to deal with partisan Germany, which would increase Democrats' chances of winning the House would make Congress more representative would be a huge, that is a 10-year solution. And there is no other solution to this, right? The Supreme Court does not believe that partisan gerrymandering is a justiciable issue. They think that the only way to win district is to win in rigged districts, which is a particularly stupid way of thinking. And so, yeah, it's not awesome for sure. No one wants to be for voter ID. It is a policy that is racist in intent and often and almost always in practice. But if you were to have to make some trades to get something done, that is a trade that I think you would make every single time. So that's Stacey Evans.

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  31. I imagine that CC Abrams supports this compromise because it wouldn't solve every problem. It might even create a few, but it deals with some of the bigger challenges we currently have. And most importantly in there is partisan gerrymandering.

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  32. There are a whole bunch of stories today that are like Biden returns home with a big decision. Does he get behind reconciliation or bipartisan talks? No, that's not how it works. He needs to do what he has been doing and what I think Schumer is doing, which is could get at this going on two tracks. Sanders seems very confident. You hear Bernie Sanders. He seems very productive and pretty optimistic about what can happen here. And he should start his reconciliation process. We should keep trying doing the bipartisan thing. Steve Roschetti, who's one of Biden's top advisors, met with some group of members recently. It was reported that he said that Biden was going to give this seven to ten days, whether it'll really be seven to 10 days. I don't know. We've crossed multiple deadlines in the infrastructure talks, which is something that I think probably makes Mitch McConnell smile if he were a human being capable of smiling. But the right thing to do is keep this going on two tracks.

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  33. And so you're saying, well, if you think that, then why are you working on a trillion dollar economic bill with the president? And the reasoning in this story was Republicans seem quite confident they're not going to get Mansion. The Republicans seem quite confident that Mansion and Cinema are not going to be for a big reconciliation bill, whether they're right or wrong, who knows. But they do believe that this bipartis, both in terms of eating up the clock and getting something done, makes it less likely that Biden will get a huge deal. And it says a lot about how Republicans think about politics because sort of in the traditional Washington way, you would think a big bipartisan infrastructure bill would be a huge political boon to Democrats. But that's not what McConnell thinks. What McConnell thinks is a bipartisan deal is a price worth paying to prevent them from doing a bunch of things that would really deliver for people and make the Democratic base happy. And I think that is a real window into what the risks of this are.

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  34. Seven to ten days in July, yeah. And so There is no when are these things going to happen? We also have to save democracy in the interim, which I know we'll get to. They are burning clock on the Democrats. And every one of those days matter. We say this all the time. You never get a second wasted back in a presidency. The elections still happens at the same time on the same day. And so if you spend six weeks on a bipartisan bill that does not happen or is both fully insufficient, it's six weeks you didn't spend on the American family's plan, the American jobs plan, and the For the People Act, a wide array of other things you could be doing. And there was a soaring politically the other day about what the Republican strategy was here, which I think is pretty fascinating a couple ways, which is, because you sort of wonder it's like McConnell said he wants Biden to be a one-term president. John Barrasso, who is actually a real person, I did make that up, said that he wants Biden to be a half-term president, which I assume is somehow related to Trump's

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  35. Yeah, I mean, I think that is the hope. But the other thing that's happening here is the clock is ticking. There is no deal. There is no legislative language. There is no bill, even on this bipartisan thing. And it is now the middle of June. Congress takes August off. They take off like.

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  36. For the people act situation here, where we do not know what mansion and cinema want to include in a reconciliation deal if they were willing to do that, right? Are they going to support a huge child care provision? We don't know that, right? We just, and so we're having this theoretical discussion of, well, it's like, well, we can have this bipartisan deal right here that is insufficient but better than nothing, or we can have this giant, amazing wish list of everything we care about. And that's not a real thing. We don't know what that is, even if you could get Manchin to go along with a reconciliation, which I will say is an important to note that he has not committed to it, but he has not taken it off the table.

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  37. Because he wants leverage. And I also think if Joe Manchin and Kirsten Cinema committed to supporting a deal by reconciliation, it would sink the bipartisan talks. Like this is ultimately like, I've never seen something with more emotion and less movement than these infrastructure negotiations. Like every day, there's like breathless reports about statements. And like, we're this pay for and that pay for, but no one has yet put together a plan that either is a bipartisan plan that actually has 60 votes in a capacity to pass the House or a partisan reconciliation plan that has 50 votes. And if you have progressive not committing to the bipartisan thing, you have moderates not committing to a reconciliation plan.

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  38. Highlight their opposition and their leverage because it strengthens the hands of the democratic negotiators in the room. It makes it easier for the Democrats to say, well, I can't do this because I'm going to lose. Republicans get to do that all the time, right? Well, this so-and-so is going to tank this so-and-so is going to tank this. Or mansion's going to tank this. Or cinema's going to tank this. But it helps for the White House and Schumer and everyone else involved to say, well, that you can't do that or you have to include this. Otherwise, there will be no deal because I cannot muster enough of my caucus to do it, either in the House or the Senate.

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  39. There's a whole bunch who say no climate, no deal. Currently, there's no climate, therefore, there is no deal. It's easier to vote no on something that hasn't happened than it is for a democratically controlled house to vote down a bill that has the support of 70% of the democratic caucus in the Senate, presumably the support of President Biden, to sink that bill. That's a much more challenging endeavor now. That's not the end of the road. Like what can happen is the Senate passes its deal. The House passes an amended version or a different deal, and then there is a, I mean, this is so crazy, but there's a conference committee where people get together to hammer out the differences. So there is leverage here. And it is smart of everyone to.

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  40. Yeah, I mean, the sequencing matters here, right? It's easier for Bernie Sanders or a Senate progressive where they went to it. It really is not just Bernie, right? You have Marky, Heinrich, Merkley.

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  41. Elizabeth Warren's votes worth as much as Kiers and Sinem's votes. So, yes, they have all the leverage in the world if they are really willing to tank a deal because it doesn't have it. So that's part one. Part two of the progressive point is they are morally correct that it is absolutely fucking insane that you would pass a trillion dollars of infrastructure spending and not focus a large portion of that on climate. Their slogan, no climate, no deal is it's an insane thing to do, even in the search of bipartisanship and improving airports that we haven't visited in a very long time or roads we haven't driven on in a long time. The idea that you would do that is crazy because as we as everyone who's ever worked on Capitol Hiller in the White House knows, every legislative accomplishment makes the next one harder. Every dollar spent makes the next dollar harder. So if you're going to spend a trillion dollars on something that doesn't help the climate, it's going to be that much harder to spend the money you need.

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  42. You would never know it from reading Politico Punch Bowl or any of the other Capitol Hills publications, but every vote in the Senate counts the same. So Bernie Sanders' vote is worth as much as Joe Manchin's vote.

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