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Jen Easterly

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“Really certain that as much as possible as people will listen to the federal government and listen to the advice and the advisories we're putting out, that we are preventing, frankly, our adversaries that I'm most worried about and our mission is not about protected speech. We need to be very, very clear on that, but we need to also recognize that China, that Russia and Iran, we've seen these foreign adversaries use influence operations to undermine American confidence. We're aware that, but more than 80% of Republicans and independents who call themselves very conservatives think this election was stolen. They do now. It's worked, however it got there. Eight Republican-led states have pulled out of the electronic registration information center. There's a conspiracy theory that it's a George Soros-backed liberal operation. It's obviously not true. It's a bipartisan effort to maintain voter rolls. What does that say about the state of elections?”
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“Resources we have, they can take advantage of. So now our field forces are going out there to do cybersecurity assessments, to do physical security assessments, and to ensure that resources are available. So we're getting you fend off the people who, the ones who are convinced that this is being taken. I mean, they attack the capital. They have beliefs. Like at the end of the day, we are not going to convince certain people of the integrity of processes at the ballot box.”
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“Huge measures of effectiveness and saying, yeah, this is really making a difference in terms of that specific disinformation. And so that's one reason why I want to make sure we are not communicating with these companies. And we are seen by everybody as we are here to help. And by the way, just as an aside, if you look at the brief that was filed by Twitter's lawyers, they made it very clear that nothing in the Twitter files said that the information was being used by Twitter to censor anything. Specifically the government, there was no coercion, no censorship. No, I wasn't much impressed with the Twitter files. But where are we for 2024? Yeah, good question. So we've started already. We met with secretaries of state, state election directors in January. We want to get out to local election officials and ensure that whatever.”
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“You need to do anything with it. So that was done in 2018, 2020, 200 pieces of information. And I made a decision not to do that. So we are not doing that. Let them give them election officials can give them the platform themselves. And I think that's the right place for us to be. Does that give conspiracies too much power? I don't mean we weren't playing a significant role, first of all. It was a small 200. And we were essentially in the middle of a process where they can send things directly. I mean, the other thing that I took a really hard look at, it's not like I'm going to, you know, back the fuck down because conspiracy theorists, I'm a combat veteran. But I took a look at measures of effectiveness. Is some of these things actually having an impact? And at the end of the day, I did not see.”
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“Doing it's entirely up to them. Matt Tybe did the Twitter files full of factual errors, actually, but it is true that SISA partners with organizations that flag tweets to Twitter. Oftentimes Twitter took them down. Sometimes they didn't. What do you say about people who are uncomfortable with government doing that, partnering to try to change this stuff? Yes, so thanks for asking just to be very clear. This was in 2018, 2020. There were I think 200 pieces of information that came from state and local election officials that went to the election infrastructure information sharing and analysis center. They sent them to CISA. We sent them to Twitter saying this is information that comes from state and local, do with it what you will with a, you know, this is not and we're not telling.”
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“No, the SBI works with them. Yeah, the FBI works with them. I think as the director, I need to ensure that we are able to do our core mission to reduce risk to critical infrastructure. And at this point in time, I do not think the risk of us dealing with social media platforms is worth any benefit quite frankly. And as you know better than anyone, these platforms make their own decisions. And I want to be very pure on what it is that we are doing. And we're doing it. I want to emphasize the reason that we focus on foreign influence disinformation is because we hear from state and local election officials that it is a major concern of theirs. And we feel obligated to be helpful. But I don't want to be seen in any way as telling social media companies what they should.”
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“Post COVID Elon Twitter era, everything has become completely contentious, and even more so. How do you work with social media companies now? Because it seems like they are starting to take the breaks off again. Yeah. So we don't actually work with social media companies at all. No, no. Do you think you should be?”
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“Think we will. We're doing everything we can to be proactive and prepare for it. We expect for our foreign adversaries to look for ways to undermine our democracy. I mean, look at Chinese doctrine. Okay. They have a specific thing in their doctrine called cognitive domain operations. You know, the military would call psychological warfare. So they're specifically looking to be able to influence the American people. It's part of their doctrine. So I expect that we may see things like that. And that will make things even more complicated. Problematic. Right. And one of the things they have is they have a huge landscape in this country. They have a huge surface area, I guess. Let me use a military. You have a lot of surface area to attack, including social media companies, which have played a big role. And I know the Biden administration has focused on them a lot. There are private companies that distribute information. They run political ads on their platforms. And in the election denier,”
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“You think about cyber threats, physical threats, insider threats, and then foreign influence disinformation. I think if you look at the nexus of some of the AI capabilities that we're now seeing, I think that there are many things that could happen with AI generated scripts and chatbots that could make the information environment that much more difficult. So I worry a lot about that. I mean, Jeff Hinton talked about this, right? Yeah. The godfather of AI, that there's going to be flooding the internet, even more so with fake text and photos and videos. So the average person can't tell what's real anymore. Who would you say is most, you're seeing problems most with? Well, right now we're not, you know, we're obviously continuing to monitor the environment, but we're not seeing specific problems focused on the elections, but quite frankly, I...”
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“FBI and Justice has a task force. But at the end of the day, we are trying to help them understand the things that they need to do to keep themselves safe. These are physical threats against families. Yeah, I mean, at their home, you've heard all the horrible stories. But, you know, to be clear, so 2022, I thought, went incredibly well. And that's all off the back of state and local election officials who kicked ass and were fantastic. But I was super worried that there was going to be an active shooter at a polling place and super worried about a ransomware attack. And, you know, off the back of this great work, we were able to, they were able to keep these secure and safe. Last week, Chris Krebs said he expects Russia, China, Iran, maybe even domestic groups like militias to try to meddle in the elections. What's the biggest foreign threat right now to our election? How are you trying to counter that? I worry a lot about that as well. You know, we can't, we have to plan for the worst and frankly hope for the best. And, you know, in the military, they teach you to plan against the most probable course of action and the most dangerous one.”
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“God, for people who don't know on an episode, one of the final episodes of session, there was a fire and it ruined the ballots. And it was not quite clear whether it was a terrorist attack or a domestic terrorist attack or not. You think about what foreign adversaries can do to take advantage of the uncertainty around whether something bad that happens is intentional or malicious or just something that happens at the end of the day. So it's cyber threats, it's physical threats, it's insider threats and foreign influence. And the physical threats are these threats against election officials. That's crazy. And that is something you help with? Well, we do a couple of things. So we are in the what I call like left of boom. So we are helping to build resilience. So we do physical security assessments. We advise on best practices for facility security. But it's really what they rely on is the state and local law enforcement to help with things like that.”
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“And really robust, great relationships that, frankly, I inherited. And I think the most important thing that people should know is we are a non-partisan agency, even in a place where things get really politicized. We have to ensure that we can work with Republican secretaries of state and Democratic secretaries of state so they can take advantage of all of the free services we have for cybersecurity, physical security, insider security, and foreign influence and disinformation, which you will give them information on and they can choose to use it or not, correct? Yeah, I mean, the threat landscape arguably has become a lot more complicated even since 2020, right? We were very worried about cyber a lot done to raise the bar on cybersecurity at the state and local level. Now we're worried, unfortunately, about physical security threats, which I think is pretty freaking outrageous. Yeah, we watch succession. Go ahead. Right. You were probably like, oh, good.”
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“Efforts talk about our election infrastructure because this is like the sort of third rail now for some reason. Yeah, I mean you're right and it's unfortunate what I'd love to do is to make elections boring again. So in 2017 the secretary at that time before the changeover Jay Johnson designated election infrastructure as critical infrastructure which meant that CISA would serve as what's called the sector risk management agency meaning that we work with state and local election officials who are responsible who are responsible who are responsible we obviously are not for everything that they need to ensure secure elections and the irony of this whole thing is when that designation came out state and local election officials were super unhappy and to Chris his credit and his team they developed these fabulous partnerships with secretaries of state of all parties this is not a partisan sport”
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“Also serving as the national coordinator for critical infrastructure, securance, and resilience. At the end of the day, we're not an Intel collector. We don't carry badges. We're not law enforcement. We're not a regulator. We're not a military. We are a voluntary agency, which is why our ability to create trusted partnerships, which as you appreciate, can be super hard, is so important to our success and kind of be at the middle of being able to coordinate everything that people need to keep themselves safe in cyber, which is, you know, is quite a bit. Yes, and we'll get to infrastructure in a second because that's sort of a lot of the concern. But it did become famous last election when Chris Krebs was fired after he called the 2020 Lexis of the Most Secure in American history. And then he was fired via a tweet. He talked about this. Elections aren't all you do, but it's, of course, a big thing now. It's become so partisan. It's, of course, being used by Donald Trump as a cudgel in his election.”
2023-06-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Sorry, Donald. Jen Easterly Plans To Make Elections Boring Again. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Jen, it's great to finally have you on the show. I've been wanting to talk to you for a long time. But I don't know if everyone fully understands what your job is. So before we start, explain what you do and what you run. Yeah, so thanks. It's awesome to be here. So it's CISA, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. Falls off the tongue. Yes, right. It's why we call it CISA. Yeah. Many people know it because of my predecessor, Chris Krebs. Right. Because he was fired. Because he was fired by Donald Trump in 2020. So it's the newest agency the federal government stood up in November of 2018 essentially to be America's cyber defense agency. So the whole idea is reduced risk to the cyber and physical infrastructure that Americans rely on every hour of every day. And that's the decision that was made in the Trump administration to actually stand this thing up and to focus very heavily on our role in cybersecurity and all”
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“Right. Oh, that guy. Oh, good guy's grandmother. I was correct. I correctly identified it. Oh, honestly, that guy, just like whatever.”
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“Yeah, that Twitter files was such a largely a load of shit and Twitter's own lawyers in a recent case have contradicted every bit of the allegations made by Elon Musk.”
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“Yeah, she has to work with these people, these election deniers are still there, whether it's Carrie Lake or Donald Trump across the country. And so one of the things that's important is to make sure we have another relatively calm election, which someone pointed out to me, and I think it's correct. That hasn't happened since Bush Gore. That's when it really started to go off the rails, this idea of whether elections were secure.”
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“Yeah, and so you know, I'm very interested in this role. It's a new government agency, it's designed to help state and local officials and across the country with these cyber attacks, not just election. That's been the focus, obviously, because of the Krebs firing, but infrastructure. I've talked about this on pivot, on lots of places, is the challenges we face as we become this incredible surface area of attack for the Chinese, for the Russians, for all kinds of militias hackers, and including domestic hackers.”
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“Yeah, I knew her predecessor, Chris Krebs, and I talked to him not infrequently, who was fired by Donald Trump for simply saying the election was not stolen.”
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“I don't know. I want him to be on the debate stage. That's all. It's five dollars so you can question my fairness. I want to see him on the debate stage. And if everyone gives a bunch of money, he'll be on the debate. It's how they decide who's going to get on.”
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“He's a loser. He's a three one, two. And he lost the midterms, three time loser. So I'm enjoying Chris Christie in the race because he's pointing this out rather well. I love Chris Christie. Yeah, I don't love him. I think he's, you know, he's, he really was too tight with Donald Trump. He did Bridgegate, but I love what he's doing right now. And I think he's just spouting the facts. And, you know, he was a very good prosecutor. And obviously you can see how well spoken he is. And a friend of mine worked for him and didn't much love his politics, but certainly had great respect for his legal qualities. I think he's funny. I think I just gave him $5. Did you? Yeah.”
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“I don't know. I think people are tired of this. Ultimately, I think he has his base that always, no matter what he does, no matter how many time he takes a shit on the Constitution, they like it. And then I think everyone else is tired of it. It's not even a smoke. There's fire kind of thing with this guy. There's just fire. And he likes to burn everything down, including laws. people can say whatever they want, but just take it to court just like they did his election lies and he'll lose. And that's what's going to happen here. He lost in the sexual assault case. He just loses because courts of law behave differently than Donald Trump does.”
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“Yeah, he was, but it's nonsense. He likes to break the law and he thinks it's hysterical to do so. And then he gets hysterical when he does so.”
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“Yeah, and same thing with Mike Pance, who was cleared of doing the same thing. And it's just a matter of intent and how you behave and you compel other people to lie. And we'll just see when the indictment is unsealed, which it will be pretty soon, we'll see what he did. And I'm sure he did all kinds of things trying to hold on to the documents and get people to help him lie about holding on to the documents.”
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“All they have to, don't they? They have to do this. But Bill Barr, who was his attorney general, said this is not bad. He said he shouldn't have taken the documents and most people who take these documents end up in jail in the way that he's done it. Lots of people by accident take them and all kinds of things and they get various and sundry things, but most people who do this end up in jail. So in this case, I'm going with Bill Barr, although that's an unusual thing for me to do. I think that's what you should call yourself. But he's a lawyer. He knows with Bill Barr. Yeah, he knows. He knows what this is. He took these documents and then he tried to hide them. And then he lied about hiding them. And so it's the same.”
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