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2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Counterproductive, non never ending division in this country that we're seeing from in our politics, in our media, in social media, there's something better than this and that we are better than this as a country and that people will want that. I do truly believe that if we survive long enough to get there as a nation. But like, and who that candidate is? Great question. Does that candidate exist? I don't know. They'll have to prove themselves. But I think that's where we have to get to. And you may have to say, you should say fuck Trump along the way, and you shouldn't hesitate to say that, but it's got to be something bigger than that.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is possible. It's not a more hardened version of Obama in 08 for sure. We've been through a lot in that time, but there is that we are better than this.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I believe, like once again, we have shared the same bias here of being people who truly learned about politics from Barack Obama. But I do believe The core of my soul that the best Democratic candidate in 2028 is going to be someone who seems both tough enough to fight for people and fight against a broken system and hold the people who exploited that system under Trump to account for their crimes, but also is appealing to something bigger and better. The idea that we as a country are better than what we have had for the last 15 years of Donald Trump at that point, right?”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like the past, right? Are you turning the page on the past? Yes. There'll be lots of ads of JD Vance and whoever else hugging Donald Trump like we ran of John McCain and George W. Bush in 2008, but it's going to feel You can kind of feel it happening right now before us. Like people are like, ugh.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's always going to be a dominant part of the conversation. I mean, I think he will go away from the White House just before people panic and start throwing their phones into the ocean, but I think he will be out of the White House.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The Nevada will probably be some of these Nevada, not that expensive, small or at least two medium markets, but you're going to have some bigger states. Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina was a Pretty cheap, relatively speaking, in terms of like media spend. But then also now you'll spend less money on linear TV. But yeah, your point is it's going to be harder for under this new map, it's going to be harder for someone with little money to break out and be able to like peep did in 2000 and 20. So I think that like in that will push people down that path. The other thing that Think it's also, we just don't know how big, like, I guess Trump will never go away.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We don't know the calendar yet, and I think they have to figure it out based on by the end of this year, but it's almost certainly going to be a more expensive endeavor than it's ever been before because you're going to have larger, some larger states at the front. Iowa will not be at the front. I think New Hampshire still will be in some role, but we don't know that for sure. But I think it's Michigan, Georgia. A Western”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Do worry as we look at the primary that there's this incentive, which is fuck Trump. And I don't mean just like Trump is bad, but like a literal message of the equivalent of this is like fuck Trump is a great way to get attention and raise money and maybe even get some support in a Democratic primary. But and so you have the short-term incentive to do those things. Yeah. But it has potentially long term consequences both for party branding and the general election for whoever wins the nomination.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That is the, I mean, can you imagine what the Democratic presidential primary is going to be like in that situation? Like I was even thinking back to the 04 primary, which you worked on for John Kerry. But I just remember there was like this bidding war of like. People saying Bush was the worst president ever, and people kept saying it in stronger language. I think at some point Dick Gephardt may have sworn. But like this time, it's going to be like someone will say fuck your almost gonna be like, motherfuck Trump. Just like, motherfuck Trump and everyone he's ever been with is just gonna get like up and up and up throughout.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Consequences for doing that because she's going to win the general election. If Jasmine Crockett or Mallory McMorrow or Janet Mills won a primary on a fuck Trump, maybe that would work in Maine, but on a fuck Trump message and a purple or red state, maybe there's consequence for that. I don't know. But the lesson to me from it is you have to get your message heard and you have to be willing to break with old ways of doing politics to get your message heard and take some risks because she was trailing by a lot at the time. So it's like, what do you have to lose?”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's not where most people get their information anymore. So a lot of people saw it as just heard the fuck Trump. And my take on that ad is that is the true belief of most Democratic primary voters is fuck Trump. And they're mad that not enough Democrats will say it either in their words or their actions. And it was like, and this is what Lieutenant Governor Stratton said to me, was it was a moment where she broke through. She was being massively outspent people. We're not paying a ton of attention to the primary. So all of a sudden people saw her and she did sort of. Very cleverly used it to get her own message out because it's like fuck Trump, fuck Trump. Oh, also, I'm Juliana Stratton. I'm from Southside Chicago. I went to abolish ICE. I'm going to do these things. And then it shows popular governor Jamie Prince.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, a good friend of ours who lives in Illinois and is a big Juliana Stratton fan texted me the ad when I first came out to get a personal political experts react take on it. And I think this person was. Uncomfortable with the ad? Like, was this too far? Was it, you know, and I think if you were of a certain era of politics where the idea that you would say fuck someone in an ad seems crazy, but like my take on the ad was, and it was bleeped on broadcast television. Yes, yes.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And the last vote Juliana comes from Governor JB Pritzker, who had endorsed his lieutenant governor. What do you think of the ad?”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that was a primary that didn't get a ton of attention. It also liked Texas, didn't fit exactly into some of the categories I'm talking about because you had two younger candidates, both relatively establishment figures, although there were some ideological differences. But one interesting thing from that race is that Juliana Stratton ran what I think might end up being the most interesting ad of the cycle. I'm going to play that ad for you right now.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, I kept saying when I see you in the sentence, she kept wanting to point out to me that she saw an election ago, which is what hurt she's supposed to say that.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Speaking of communication stuff, I want to talk a little bit about the messaging. On Friday's podcast, I talked to Juliana Strett, who's the lieutenant governor of Illinois, who just became the nominee to replace Dick Durbin in the Senate in Illinois.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then the other thing you raise that's interesting in these is communication styles, right? Like we are, what are Democratic voters looking for? Because a lot of these are about, we're asking ourselves these questions about who's the best person. That was what was interesting about Texas. Who's the best person to flip a red state? Who's the best person to beat Susan Collins? Who's the best person to make sure that we keep Michigan? And they're making, you know, people are Democratic primary voters are projecting what they think general election voters will think. And the communication stuff comes into play with that as well.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You also pick my Schumer and the DSCC, and then you have a Bernie candidate and Abdul Al Saeed, and then you have Melly Mora, who's not an anti-establishment candidate per se, but is it endorsed by Elizabeth Warren? So that one's a little hard to tell. Yeah.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Endorsed by the DSCC and Chuck Schumer and everyone else. Like that is just, and so is that, is Platinar winning because he is a unique political talent? Maybe. Is Platinar winning because he's younger and Janet Mills would be the oldest person elected to the Senate, I believe, certainly in our party after everything we went through with Biden, maybe is he winning because she's endorsed by the establishment and including Chuck Schumer and Chuck Schumer has a minus 31 approval rating among Democrats right now, maybe. So it's hard to know what that is, but there's those are sort of the things happening. I mean, every race is different, right?”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The Reddit posts and those sorts of things. So we'll see if that changes. But it's just very interesting that this Oysterman who has went through a brutal media cycle who is leading the incumbent governor of the state who is”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That is Seth Moulton and Ed Markey. He's just, it's like, you see that in a bunch of these house races. You're seeing a ton of younger candidates taking on older candidates. That is obviously a central race. And then the third one is inside outside. In the inside outside one is one of the reasons why the main thing is interesting, which is And it's hard, you never know what's causation and what's correlation with these things. But as far as we can tell, Platiner is winning the primary. By how much is an open question? You see polls with him with a huge lead. You see polls with a narrow lead, but the gist of the polling is that Platiner has an advantage. Now, we haven't seen polling since Janet Mills won on the air with an ad highlighting.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, was a political strategy fight, right? Is it fire up the base or is the middle? The second divide is generational, right?”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“All intents of purposes. They were both sort of down the line in terms of what they actually support. They're kind of like down the line normie Democrats. There are a couple things here and there”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so I think it's the focus on Texas was interesting because I think it's the least relevant Of all of the divides, because I sort of see that I see there are sort of three divides that are sort of dominating the party. One is center and left, right? Like every primary has some way a opportunity to litigate an ideological. You're going to have a more liberal candidate, a more moderate candidate. And Tallerico and Crockett were basically have the exact same positions”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“These primaries are supposed to be, I think, a way of trying to figure that out. What do you see, sort of, as the major dividing lines in the party that sort of manifesting itself in the primaries here? And it could be that the primaries are each individually different, but curious your take on it.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like this, even before, like Democrats were probably favoring to take the House before the war. Depending on how this goes or how long it stands, that's obviously going to probably not be great for Trump and the Republicans. But right now, as we look at the main conversation, About the primaries, democratic primaries, right? With the amount of attention that was spent on both in Texas and nationally, I'm sure on your network and our network as well, on the Texas primary between James Tellerico and Jasmine Crockett. Honestly, we have spent so much time talking about the main primary. There's a fascinating Michigan primary coming up. In a couple months, there's another primary in Massachusetts, another one in Minnesota. As you sort of look at, you know, Democrats currently are a party a little bit adrift in terms of like what we stand for.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Let's pivot to domestic politics for a second. Another reason why you were an excellent guest for the show is even before you went for Barack Obama, you were at the DCCC when the Democrats took the house in 2006. You've worked on a lot of campaigns in your life. Sort of in the initial...”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
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2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
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2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then Tommy and I were talking about this the other day, but just like as we were engaged in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, one of the things we were thinking about a lot was how the rest of the Muslim world was seeing what the United States was doing in terms of what that would mean for people being radicalized against the US, how we were combating the recruiting efforts from Al-Qaeda and ISIS and the rest and thinking about those things.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I just remember how much time we spent thinking about the things that we said, not just Barack Obama, but the White House press secretary, anyone on TV, anyone who spoke on behalf of the president, anyone in the government, how would those words would be interpreted by not just the American people, and that matters a lot, obviously, but... The markets, like there are times during the financial crisis where things that people said could send the market reeling. How it would be viewed by other governments around the world, both friend and foe.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And the policy really matters as much as these guys say it is. And Trump navigated, he got very lucky in his first term and was able to half-ass a bunch of things and nothing bad happened until the pandemic, then something horrendous happened. But from a foreign policy perspective, it was kind of a quiet time. But here is the example. This is the chickens coming home to roost of a president who doesn't pay any attention to policy isn't interested in it doesn't think seriously about these things and surrounded by people who don't think seriously about these things. You end up here. And that applies communications-wise too, which is when you're just talking about the economy or immigration, maybe you can just fly by the seat of your pants, say what you want here and there. But when you're talking about a war, what you say matters. And if you're just talking out of your ass every time someone calls you on the phone, you're going to have...”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Susan Rice, who's national security advisor time, and a bunch of the national security people had just walked out. Obama had just done a call with a world leader and they're all, you know, all the goons are in there, briefing them. They got all these experts. And he said to me as I walked in, he's like, well, we're about to find out if all of the prep”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The other thing about this is I remember in, I was actually thinking I was coming to see you in the White House after the election in 2016 and I was in town, I think I came in to see you in my old office. And then I went into see Obama. And as I was”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like, I both want people, the reporters, who take what he says seriously and hold him to account for those things, but also not treat his every utterance as like this huge exclusive get when he's just vomiting words into your phone. You know, it's like, it's very hard.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That is not borne out by any of the intelligence. His own DNI and CIA director would not say that under oath yesterday. And it's sort of like, ah, Trump says things, you know. And so there is like, I won't even take it seriously, but it's like there is something that's like uncomfortable with the breathless selfie videos reporters are taking, which is like, I just got off the phone with Trump. And here's what we told me. And it's like, well, what's the context for that? Like, what is that contradict? It contradicts what he said before, what he's going to say after like, what. I don't know the right answer. I'm not a reporter. It's not for me to decide. But there is just something uncomfortable with.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes. Yeah. It's like, what is the Yeah, it's like, what, yeah, that's exactly right. It is certainly true, and I believe this people should take what the president says seriously, even Trump. And Trump gets away with saying a lot of things because a lot of people in the press don't take him seriously. Like, I was yelling about this with John yesterday, but Trump said that he believed that Iran was about to strike the United States and that they were going to have a nuclear weapon within a short period of time. That is a lie.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Try to explain, people like this. I want you to understand how we see the world. So when you see what we're saying, you understand from our perspective. Yeah, you can think it's stupid or wrong or bad or whatever else, but at least you understand what our thought process is. I think the hard part with the Trump cell phone thing, and this is unique to Trump, is you hinted at this, but there is this confusing access with information, which if the president talks to you, but he doesn't tell you anything. And he lies.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, we would bring in columnists off the record all the time to meet with Obama. You'd bring in people, you know, you do all the record stuff too. But one of the ways just like you hope it shapes coverage. And it's not just like grifting in terms of shape and coverage. The idea of the off the record conversation is to have or the background conversation. We can dispute the journalistic ethics of participating in these things, but the argument for it from our side was you want people to understand why the president is doing certain things in ways in which he can't, if he were to just, you're never going to ask him those questions in an interview. But if he explains the strategy or his general approach to politics, policy, et cetera, you're at least interpreting the things you see him saying and doing through the framework of what we're doing. Like David Pluff and I, we were in the White House. We used to do a, I think it was a weekly meeting, you know, deep background meeting with the White House press that we would do.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“On the question of access, right? I was one of the people who was pretty critical of Biden, particularly in the last couple years, for not doing enough communicating, not talking to enough people. I've been of the view that Democrats, that in this media age, politicians need to be communicating all the time. That approach has benefited. Trump in a lot of ways. It helped get him here. So there are two questions around the self, I think. One is like, as a member of the media, what do you make of just the fact that we, is it like, is it, put the specifics of Trump aside, but like, is it a good thing that people can just call the president at all times? And then, what do you see as the limits of this as a communication strategy?”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would have marched, I would have taken, I would have met them at their house, put them in a car and driven them directly back to the Sunday show to refute it. Right, exactly.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But he's not calling anyone. He's just picking up random calls from reporters, Tommy tried to call him on the show last week because his number is so available that Tommy was able to get it. Your colleague Stephanie Ruhle, I think, spoke to me there last night or this morning and had a 15-minute interview with him. Just first, let's start it from your perspective as a concept for what sort of adjective would it give you if reporters were just calling Barack Obama or Joe Biden on their cell phones at all times. He was just picking up the call and you're discovering he took the call by the tweet.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One interesting thing I'm curious your take on as a communications staffer and a member of the media now is one of the ways in which Trump has been communicating about the war is not through your typical National Televised Press Conference, although he has them one of those, or addressed to the nation, is that he is basically just doing...”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, ever. Yeah. There was no polling at the outset of the Vietnam War, but I suspect this would be even more popular than that”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The leftover dust. But there was a way, like if you want to take the country to war, you have to do, you have to have a reason to do it. You have to do an immense planning process for what happens after the first bombs drop, which they did not do here. They absolutely did not do. They seem flummixed by everything that's happening. But you also have to go to the country and go to the world and build a case for it. And they did not even try. That may have failed. It probably would have failed under all scenarios, but they didn't try. One of the reasons why I think they didn't try. The people around Trump who wanted to do this knew that if you talked about it, everyone would say don't do this. And so they really tried to make the biggest, most dangerous, most consequential decision a president makes on the cheap.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, it's very because when you see in the polling, right? The polling is all very bad for this war, but how bad it is really depends on how the question is asked. Like there's a poll out this morning which asked the question in terms of whether you approve of the war to take out the Ayatollah and stop their nuclear ambitions. That poll is much better than do support with the war with Iran. And so, like, it's all bullshit because they were, Trump told us a few months ago that he obliterated, not even a few months ago, he told us like two weeks before the war that he had so obliterated their nuclear capacity that we would have to bomb the dust.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But where I think they did make a fundamental mistake that is making their problems much worse than they otherwise would be, and they would be pretty bad under even the best of circumstances, is that they spent no time before the war trying to explain why we would go to war. Like Trump gave the longest state of the union in history and spent like two minutes on Iran.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, there is no messaging strategy that helps, that sells a war, a protracted war in the Middle East that leads to huge spikes in gas prices. Like there is not. The place where I think that it is fair to be critical, and I will also say, it's not the communications department's job to come up with the reasons why you go to war. It's the people, we're supposed to have that reason before we go to war. You keep that thing and figure extractively.”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, yeah, I guess that's sort of the question, right? This was the thing you and I would say all the time Know unemployment would be at 10%, or the healthcare.gov website would not be working. People will come and say, well, why aren't we get, you know, What's the press strategy? What's the messaging? And you'd be It's not”
2026-03-22 · Pod Save America · Trump’s Wartime Messaging Disaster (feat. Jen Psaki) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source