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Jen

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first: 2021-08-10
most recent: 2021-08-10
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“Right, although I think Guess aggressive in public way, given that they were not a major source of child sexual violence imagery reporting to begin with. But, you know, when you think about these different products in the kind of online ecosystem, a lot of what you're seeing are pedophiles who are sharing these things in these very public platforms, even if they carve out little small spaces of them. And so they're usually doing it on a platform, right? Whether it's something like Facebook, WhatsApp, Dropbox, whatever it might be. And so, yes, you know, in that case, you're usually uploading imagery to the platform provider. And at that point, it's up to them whether they want to scan it in real time to see what is actually, what are you uploading? It doesn't match one of these known images or known videos that NickMik maintains a database of, that they're doing it this way is just a really interesting kind of different use case case than what we often see. And I'm not sure if Rihanna has any.”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“One of the things that's very challenging to understand here is Apple is built it this way so they're not scanning iCloud data in the cloud from what I understand what they don't want to do is have people upload their photo libraries to iCloud and then scan a bunch of information in the cloud. From my understanding, other way of doing it, just doing it all in the cloud, is what the other major tech companies do, and that is kind of our expectation of what they do.”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What they're doing is again, this will be done on the client baked into the operating system and deployed for every iPhone running iOS 15 once that comes out around the world, but this will only be turned on within the United States, at least so far, there's going to be an on-device attempt to try and make a hash of images that are in photos that you have uploaded to iCloud photos and check the hash against the hash database that is maintained by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children or NICMIC that contains known child sex abuse material or CSAM with the idea being that there is not going to be a cache of actual CSAM on your phone. There's not going to be the search of everything so far on your camera roll believe this is going into iCloud Photos. And if you have one image that is in the NICMIC database that”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and that is absolutely a theme. Runs right into the third announcement, which is a very complicated cryptographic system to check images that are uploaded to iCloud Photos for known child sexual abuse material. I'm not even going to try to explain this one, Rihanna. I'm just going to defer to you, explain how Apple says the system works.”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Documentation is clear that they are analyzing images on device. And I know that there has been some concern that because it's not transparent from their documentation exactly how this is happening, how accurate is this image analysis going to be? What else is going to get ensnared in this, that might not actually be as accurate as Apple is saying it's going to be? That's definitely a concern that I've seen from some of the people I know who work on issues of trying to help people who have been abused in their family life or by intimate partners. And it's something that honestly I don't understand the technology well enough. And I also don't think that Apple has provided enough documentation to enable reasoned analysis and thoughtful analysis. That seems to be one of the trips that they've”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Rihanna, do you have any on the technical side, any concerns here that are not sort of like policy concerns? That's how I keep thinking about it. There's a bunch of technical stuff. We're creating capabilities and there's a bunch of policy stuff. How are we using those capabilities? This one, it really feels like, as Jen called it, a normative controversy.”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Think so. I say that with a small hesitation because I am not sure in Rihanna may know the answer to this, where they're doing that real-time scanning to determine whether the image itself, you know, how much, I guess, the proportion of skin it probably contains. And so I assume that's happening on the client side, on the phone itself. But yeah, I mean, the most of the criticisms I've heard raised about this are some really good normative questions around what type of family and what type of parenting structure does this really seek to help. I'm a parent. I have my kids' best interests at heart, but not every family operates in that way. And so I think there's just been a lot of concerns that just assuming that reporting to parents is kind of the right thing to do won't always yield the best consequences for a wide variety of reasons.”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“At the same time, it feels to me like the contrast around this one is just how is this deployed? Who will get to use it? Will they always be operating with their children's best interest and heart? But there's no technical controversy here, right? This is a policy controversy, as near as I understand. Is that right, Jen?”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think that question about overall effectiveness kind of pervades this entire conversation. But in terms of here's the thing, the controversy is pretty small. This one to me feels simple and seemingly the least important to focus on. The next one does have some meaningful controversy associated with it, which is if you are a child who is 13 or younger and you're on your family's iCod plan and you send or receive nudes in iMessage, the messages app on your phone will detect it and then sell your parents if you view it. And if you're sending it, it will detect it, say, do you really want to send it and then tell your parents if you choose to send it? This has a wide variety of privacy implications for children, a wide variety of implications, particularly for queer youth, transgender youth.”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This seems like something that I'm not sure if this was part of their initial announcement or if they greedly added this after the fact once people started critiquing them for saying, oh my God, this is going to have such a terrible impact on trans and queer and closet youth. As it stands, I don't think it's controversial. I just am not convinced that's going to be all that helpful because what they are saying is if you ask Syria and being abused at home, what can I do? Siri will basically tell you according to their documentation, go report it somewhere else. I still just want to know about this. Note that they are not making any changes to the abuse reporting functionality in my message, which as I understand it is limited basically to like spam. And that's kind of it. They couldn't add it that directly in iMessage given that iMessage is the tool where all of this is happening. Instead, they're saying if you just happen to go and talk to Siri about this,”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Much more oddly, if you ask it for child abuse material, it will give you resources to either help you report it or tell you to get support for yourself. This does not seem very controversial. It also, frankly, seems very strange that Apple realized that it was getting this many inquiries to Siri, but there it is. That seems fine to me. Is that kind of the correct take on that”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Asked both of you to come on the show because of a very complicated new set of tools from Apple designed to protect children from harm. The announcement of those tools, the tools themselves, how they've been announced, how they've been communicated about have generated a tremendous amount of confusion and controversy. So I'm hoping you can help me understand the tools and then understand the controversy. There's three of them. Let's go through them from simplest to most complicated. The simplest one actually seems For information on how to report child abuse”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I am a fellow on privacy and data policy at the Stanford Institute for Human-Centered Artificial Intelligence. I've been at Stanford since 2018 and I focus primarily on consumer privacy issues. And so that runs the gamut across social networks, AI, you name it as it involves data and people and privacy. It's kind of in my wheelhouse.”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“My name is Riela Feffercorn. I'm a research scholar at the Stanford Internet Observatory. I've been at Stanford in various capacities since late 2015, and I primarily focus on encryption policy. So this is really a mowing in the sun for me for better or for worse.”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Your privacy. Apple thus far has been on the defensive, and an internal email from the director of Nickmick referred to these critics as the screeching voices of the minority. That went about as well as you would expect. So it's heated, but it's still important to fully understand this system, how it works, and why Apple has made the trade-off of having some scanning occur on the phone as opposed to all the scanning happened in the cloud. To unpack this all, I asked Rihanna Peffercorn and Jennifer King to join me on the show. They're both researchers at Stanford. Rihanna specializes in encryption policy, and Jen specializes in privacy and data policy, and she's worked on child abuse issues at big tech companies in the past. Okay, Rihanna Peffercorn and Jennifer King. Here we go.”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“For example, iCloud in China is run by government-owned data centers, and the Chinese government has access to encryption keys. FaceTime simply does not work in the United Arab Emirates because the government says it's illegal. In various laws proposed in the UK and EU might require platform providers to expand their content scanning systems in various ways. So there's a lot going on here. And when I say Apple announced this without very much warning at all, I mean that Apple just announced this. It did not really engage with very many civil liberties experts or security or privacy academics at all. And so the announcement was met with a swift and furious backlash from privacy and security experts. Edward Snowden has been tweeting about it for a week now. There's now an open letter from privacy experts with over 6,000 signatures calling on Apple to stop this plan and reaffirm its commitment to use.”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neil Patel, editor in chief of the Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today's episode is about trying to solve a very big problem with a very big idea and the trade-offs that come with it. Here's the situation. Last week, Apple, without very much warning at all, announced a new set of tools built into the iPhone designed to protect children from abuse. Siri will now offer resources to people who ask for child abuse material or ask how to report it. iMessage will now flag nudes sent or received by kids under 13 and alert their parents and images backed up to iCloud Photos will now be matched against a database of known child sexual abuse material, or CSAN, and reported to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children if more than a certain number of images match. And here's the big idea.”
2021-08-10 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT