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Jenny Odell

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“Yeah And it's like the loop, it's so small, and it's such a high magnification that I'll never be able to loop everything on this walk. Like it's endless. So I think that's my current favorite way, but I honestly like so many. I mean, like bird watching, obviously, I'm still. Into that”
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“I don't know as much about those, but I'm very lucky I get to do that every day because every day my boyfriend and I go on basically the same, it's all your pandemic walk. We've had a few.”
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“Or do I need Yeah, totally. Just something that I've observed among people that I know is people sort of leaving jobs or contexts and they don't actually know what's next Knew enough that it was wrong that they could leave. And I think that's really interesting because more and more lately I put such a, I really value intuition. And Intuition versus the kind of objective just, I don't know, I don't even know how to describe it. But like the gut feeling, right? Like the gut feeling when you're on social media too much is this is bad. And it's like, how do you learn how to better hear what that is saying? And I think maybe people were following that same intuition of like, I'm not happy where I am. This isn't fulfilling. I need to find the things that actually give me some sense of traction in life.”
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“And what am I going to do with this one life? Am I really going to spend it doing this and not just staring at this all day? So I don't know.”
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“And that's such a destabilizing moment. And I think that can be really scary, but it can also kind of like shake loose these things that you took for granted, or not even necessarily took for granted. You were just so busy going. You had to take it for granted. There wasn't a time to stop and think about it. And now you have to stop and think about it. And maybe right, like maybe your work situation is a little different. Like maybe you work from home and you realize how shitty your boss is or something. I don't know because something has changed. And something becomes clear to you. Because we've all been living with this hyper awareness of mortality, like people are dying. There's this possibility of dying was just in the air. Then maybe that also people were thinking about like, I have one life.”
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“Mean one sort of overlap that I definitely see is I talk about kind of like the pause in the book, like when you take a pause and you shift your perspective. Like I talk about my dad taking two years off of work when he was in his 30s. And again, you know, that's a very privileged thing to do. But he kind of had like all these epiphanies during that time about himself and his work and what he wanted to do. And what it actually took for him to, you know, be creative and have like purpose and meaning or whatever, right? So, I mean, I have no way of knowing really, but I, my sense is that maybe that happened for people where it's like, it's this forced pause. Everything suddenly looks weird. Right. Like things that were once familiar look very strange. Like even things like. Buildings getting used for other things.”
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“Someone who finds it difficult to do nothing because they're so steeped in like achievement culture or whatnot. And then someone who really actually just does not have control of their time.”
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“Yeah. I mean That is kind of something that I am taking up thinking about specifically about time. Because, you know, one really obvious response to how to do nothing as a whole, as a book is like, that's great. I don't have time. And like time is like a sort of very obvious dimension in which some people have more affordances than others. So anything that opens up more time or not even more time, but like gives more temporal autonomy to people, I think. Because to be able to, you know, be curious about things and go for your walk and whatever meet with the local birding group, you know, you have to have the time and the resources to do that. And I think that's one of the things that I wish that I had made clear in the book was that, you know, distinction between”
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“Tells you what they are. Yeah, it's so good. It's like what I've been waiting for. That's utopia and technology to me. But yeah, I think it's like, again, it's almost like the loop versus the iPhone again, right? It's like, are you using it to actually become more engaged with the place that you are or are you using it in the opposite direction? And certain platforms or apps, or whatever, are kind of will push you in either direction.”
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“And I learned, I mean, I really got off the ground by using iNaturalist, which is the app that, you know, it's basically Shazam for plants, right? Like you take pictures of plants and it.”
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“Yeah, although I should point out that, you know, similar to the fact that I say that social media just as the idea of like a network of people who are in communication is not necessarily a bad thing in and of itself. I think similarly, let's say you moved to a new place and you want to learn more about it. Like the internet is actually going to be a huge use to you, right? Well, that's where I looked for books.”
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“And I think actually it's really interesting to bounce back and forth between contexts, like if you take those lessons and then you come back to something, you know, like a political situation, right? Maybe you look at it differently, like you see. For me, it becomes easier to see things like, oh, this is a knot of strands, one of which started in like the 1800s or something, right? Like something that's a little bit more complex than like. The Twitter moments of the day, like it just allows you to. Like zoom out or sort of like change your focus a little bit and like appreciate and like sit with complexity because I think that's everywhere.”
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“Just thinking about. Yeah, totally. And I think it also has very concrete lessons, at least that I have learned from observing and learning about ecology in particular. You know, one of the things I write about in the book is that in ecology, there are very few hard boundaries. So there are bioregions and they have identifiable characteristics. But there's not like you're in Oak Savannah, and then all of a sudden you cross a line and you're in a redwood forest, right? Like it just doesn't work that way. You also find out that everything is affecting everything else all the time. And for me, that was meaningful because I'm biracial and it really resonated with that idea that you could have something be multiple with like identifiable parts, but they're not so easily pinpointed.”
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“Holes in a very dense pattern. It's always in this one tree between 10 a.m. and noon. And I'm like, he's at work. I pass this bird. And it's very inspiring to me because then I go home and I do my work. But I think it's just something about being reminded of a different context for yourself, right? And it's pretty insistently like physical context.”
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“And I was finding that very therapeutic at the time because the other thing that I think social media does is it kind of like hyper stimulates your ego. Like you really get into like the center of your head and it's like very dense in there. And for me, just being reminded that there are these like kind of other societies that are just outside, like I've lived in the same neighborhood for long enough. I know like the bird neighborhoods. Like I know that like the chickadees are always in that one tree or like I just I just noticed two weeks ago there's a sap sucker which is like a type of woodpecker that makes these little”
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“Know an earth bound animal who from their point of view I sort of emerge from this little box every day and then I go back inside and so it's a very kind of it's like almost like moves the center of gravity out Away from you”
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“I think I mean, maybe the most basic part of it is kind of illustrated by the part where I talk about the crows, although I realize that crows are getting out of hand in a lot of places. I was just reading, or someone, I think three different people on AnimalNet sent me an article about like using like lasers to control crows. Anyway, because the crows are getting out of hand in San Jose. But I have that description in the book of like crows can recognize human faces. So I befriended these crows. The crows are looking at me. I'm looking at the crows. Crows are not human, but they're like regarding me in some way, right? And it was this reminder that I am also.”
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“Either like one on one or kind of like small groups. And a lot of that's been on my phone because it's the pandemic, right? But it's very different than sort of broadcasting or being on a feed. And it's really like it's amazing. Like I compared to like even a year ago, it's like I really, I have zero desire to look at the feed of any social media. I just, I actually don't want to.”
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“Like one at a time. And, like, I get news from Animal Knit. Like, people tell me about stuff, you know. Like whether it's like something happening to them or the news or something that they saw that was funny. Know it is a little mini kind of like, and some of them are group chats, so, and I find that I actually get what I wanted. I originally wanted from that and from, you know, interactions with just individual people. It could be like friends or could be other writers. It could be whoever, you know.”
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“You got a loop, get the chewer's loop, and go outside and look at a bush somewhere you break the cycle, and then you get the opposite, which is like you find other sources of meaning and belonging and being seen. And that makes you feel more stable. And then because you feel more stable, you don't feel the need to go to social media anymore. Because you're not going to social media anymore, you feel more stable, right? Like this is what's kind of been happening to me. Like I have a joke that my social media is, you know, on iMessage, you can pin people to the top of your iMessage. I have like nine people and they all have different animal photos. So I was calling it like animal net. And when something goes viral on AnimalNet, it's just me sending it to every single person.”
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“The more isolated than they would be. So you go to social media because you want to feel some connection and you want to feel maybe you want to feel validated. You want to feel seen and recognized. You go there. You don't get that. You get something else. The something else that you get makes you feel more lonely and disconnected and have more anxiety. So you go back. And I've literally read papers in like travel journals where like tourism people like know about this loop and they name it. And like we need to figure out a way to use that to drive ticket sales for like When people see other people's vacations, like they're going to have low self esteem. So, how do we get in there? Have there be a button where you can like buy your ticket, right? Like, this is very known So that's the bad feedback loop, and it sort of self-refree.”
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“Yeah, I think it's maybe helpful to think of it in terms of feedback loops. So there's a bad feedback loop and then I like to think there's a good feedback loop. The bad one is the one that is sort of like being exploited right now, which is. There's a lot to be upset about and scared, just like deeply frightened, right? Like, there's So many sources of dread. And we're also, you know, a lot of people are still pretty isolated.”
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“Yeah, I barely look at Facebook anymore because that's turns out if you don't have a newsfeed, then there's no reason to be on it for more than two minutes. Yeah, so that's, I kind of had almost like a second moment of reckoning.”
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“It was just everything. I couldn't walk because the air was too bad and it was just, yeah, I was feeling very, very sort of trapped in that. And so I had sort of like moment number two of I can't do this. Ever since then, I'm on social media, I will check for messages. And I'll kind of, yeah, I'll dip in once in a while because there are important things like the fact that people who read my book often connect me to other things that I would like to read. I find out about this other stuff that's in conversation with what I'm doing. And that's really important to me. However, I religiously avoid feeds of all kinds. Like I will not look at the Twitter feed. I will not look at Twitter moments. Not look at the Instagram feed. I can't look at my Facebook feed because I have something called Facebook News Feed Eradicat Which I highly recommend.”
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“Yeah, it's well, I feel like summer. 2020, I kind of started approaching a point that was reminding me of the moment that had spurred how to do nothing, where I was like, oh, this feels familiar, you know. That was a rough”
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“It's and so I think yeah, definitely like the capacity to listen is probably getting eroded. I mean, I talk about deep listening in the book, which is Pauline Oliveivero's term from music, but deep listening requires like a stance basically that is would, you know, be described as almost like passive or non-judgmental or whatever, but it's basically like let me actually like hear this thing first before I jump into like analyzing and all of that. Not to say everything needs to be listened to, but just that, you know, that there's if you want to have an encounter that involves like that sensitivity and the exchange that requires you not to do the mic drop, basically.”
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“Yeah, I mean, it's hard to say, I don't know, but I was just reading an article actually a couple hours ago where Know it was basically organizers talking about this and saying that they were comparing it to going door to door and having conversations with people and finding out that, you know, if you actually tell someone what something is beyond a slogan, they'll oftentimes maybe not agree with you, but it'll be something other than the like no, like door in your face, right?”
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“Maybe write something in response, and then they respond, and then you get somewhere, right? There's traction. I don't know. Like, that's a different way of measuring, I guess, like impact. Like, I don't even know what to call it, but that's also something that feels like substantive to me. And I'm kind of more and more interested in that and bored with the other thing.”
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“Yeah, and I just get that frustrates me because I think if you look at it from a kind of crass numbers point of view, right? It's like. If you make a statement and it gets thousands of whatever retweets or likes or whatever, like that is a measure of something. That's not nothing. But then I think about things like, you know, if someone, this is really like overdetermined example, but like if someone wrote made a zine, right They only mailed it to 20 people. But those were the 20 right people. And those are 20 people who were going to like sit down and spend time with this and talk to other people about it.”
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“Yeah, like, what do you Yeah, and I honestly think that's part of the mic drop effect, right? It's like you almost don't think about how the person continues to exist after you said something. Right. Yeah. It's like, I'm just going to leave this here and walk away.”
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“That's not how it felt. It felt like a conversation. Like it felt like a respectful conversation where I learned something and like only later do I realize like, oh, actually they were, that was actually someone seriously disagreeing with me.”
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“Approaching these topics and spaces with like a lot of fear and a lot of defensiveness. And I'm just so struck by the difference between the way like a disagreement might play out in social media versus the times that I've had close friends or like just someone I know say something to me that only maybe even like years later I realized that was like a very deep critique of something about what I thought like that was really like it's not a sort of surface level thing right it's like I think you're wrong about something and I think you know I think your your politics are wrong but it's but when I when I go kind of remember that moment”
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“Yeah, it can't be good. I mean, I. Suspect that people approach social media with a lot of fear about how they look. Because that's what social media is all about. And there's so much about likes and upvotes and downvotes. It's so numerical, right? It's like a score and you want your score to be good. And it's almost like a credit score or something. So I think people are already kind of.”
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“Really fundamental. So, the example that I give in the book is someone who is Catholic. And then I'm basically, I don't know what I am anymore, but at the time, I described myself as an atheist. And that's kind of how she saw me. And we would have these long evening conversations at a residency about science and religion and the meaning of life. And we didn't come to what we would call an agreement, but we did have an exchange and we were both changed by it. And my mind was changed and her mind was changed. So that would be an example of sensitivity, obviously not favored by social media.”
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“Know you and I have the same preferences on paper. We sort of checked all the same boxes. So when I recommend something to you, it's not even really like you just sort of accept it and I didn't change in the transmission of that information and you didn't change. So that's pretty cut and dried. And it happens quickly. It can happen really quickly. Sensitivity is more like you have these two kind of like oddly shaped maybe incompatible people, bodies, whatever you want to call it entities. And they are communicating, but it's much more of a process. Like they both might change in that interaction and the information might change in the interaction. So like, you know, really easy example would be if you have a long conversation with a friend or someone you know who you respect, but you don't agree on something. And it might”
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“Yeah, so that I should say is not my distinction. It's a theorist Franco B. Foberardi made this distinction in a book called After the Future. The way he summarizes that is basically connectivity, you could almost think of it as like ports in a computer, right? Like it's either compatible or it's not. And if it is compatible, the information goes through. So with people, that would be like.”
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“I think I don't know necessarily about the nature context. I think I'm familiar with that from childhood and I came back to it. I think what I always had was, I've always been very curious. And that's just sort of an orientation that no matter what you sort of direct that at, you're going to be looking closely and waiting for things to change and seeing that things are changing. And so I actually, you know, it's like you hear people say, Oh, people need to learn how to be bored again. And I don't know that I agree. I think it's more just like you should embrace your desire to learn new things and perceive new things. And maybe the problem isn't that. The problem is the context in which you're applying it and the fact that it's being exploited by social media platforms.”
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“I think, and I think that's what I was trying to get at in the book, was like that you can train your attention to be able to Look for these kinds of changes. And I don't want to call them updates, but I'm looking at my window right now. This update is like a guy just walked up the street. So, like, maybe there's nothing wrong. I was just thinking this last week, I was in the mountains, and I was like, maybe this is like the one place where I'm never bored is actually here.”
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“Yeah, well, and sometimes I wonder if that's not even necessarily a problem. This is just me, but I am obviously a nature enthusiast, right? Like I write about that in the book. Think people might think of being outdoors as very peaceful, it's neutral, it's quiet, like nothing's going on. It's not like that to me. It is just an absolute riot. It's like. And even more, if you have this loop thing, right? But even without the loop or binoculars or whatever.”
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“You know, I think I have an even worse opinion of this than I did when I wrote I think I thought it was like. Well, no, I still do think it's like an emotional thing of wanting to know what's going on and then wanting to be seen and heard, right? Like wanting to be connected to other people, especially when something dangerous is going on, right? That's a natural thing, right? But I've sort of come recently more to think that it's like, like I said, it's just the sort of like hamster wheel dopamine thing. Like it just turns out that like we love checking things. It could really be that simple. It's just that. That's just something that our brains like to do. It's like a loop that you get into”
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“The implicit goal of this game is to get the most engagement. Like, yeah, of course, you could go on there and not do that, but that would be, I don't know, that'd be like going to a soccer field and like not trying to get the ball and the goal. Like you're just kicking the ball around or something.”
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“Yeah. And I'm like, I'm so sick of that. It was making me hate myself because it was like I think that's what I realized my habits was like you're gonna feel the way that that people treat you right like you hang out with friends who who treat you the way that you want to be seen so if you're spending all your time reading statements that no, they're not personally addressed to you, but you're reading them that way. And they're all talking down to you, and they're all like, you know, written in this kind of like sanctimonious shaming tone. Like, you're going to develop so much shame. That's what happened to me. I mean, there's so many, you know, problems with it. But that's, I think that's a really big one. And unfortunately, I think that just kind of emerges from like the structure of”
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“I mean, there's obviously, I mean, I think the biggest thing is the whole sort of business model of social media runs on constant maximum engagement. Already is a problem. And then Both, I think, in terms of the ways these platforms are structured, but also just kind of unspoken rules that people kind of learn about what gets engagement tend to favor certain types of expression. Like outrage, there's a lot of, I find like mic drop kind of statements. It's not really inviting dialogue. It's like every statement has to be a mic drop. And so it just”
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“And another really big difference is it's I'm looking at something that's actually Front of me, not something that is being said by a stranger far away out of context, right? Like one is hyper contextualized. It's in front of your body, like in your eyes. And the other one is really not. And I think that those lead into very different directions.”
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“You could look at anything, like you could look at this tissue, or I don't know, like anything like moss, obviously, but also like rocks or your blinds. It is just endlessly fascinating. Like it's not going to be what you think. And it has this sort of element of surprise. Think we're all very addicted to, right? Which is like you have to get really close to something with the loop. And then all of a sudden it like pops into focus and it's like. This plant that you thought was smooth is like really hairy. Or something, you know, and I remember when he gave it to me, I was like, I'll never be bored again. I'm like, it's exactly what you're describing. But I think the difference is, I mean, there's a lot of differences. Like one is it fills me with like wonder instead of dread”
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“Well, actually, it's funny you should say about being bored. I guess maybe this is like one way of illustrating it. I was recently given something that I would describe as something where you're never bored. And it's a jeweler's loop. I don't know if you've ever seen a jeweler's loop. It's like a little, I wish I had it so I could show you, but. It's a little 10x lens that folds out, and people use it to look at moss is like one of the common uses for it. So a friend of mine who had one and was like Raving about it and saw how much I liked using his, he got me one for Christmas. You're just going to have to take my word for it or find somebody who has a loop.”
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“My head and like in my body, it kind of really reminded me of that. And I was like, oh, this really is just like the hamster wheel dopamine thing. Like, here I am. It's the same.”
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“which means that you always think you have time for another day seven minutes right it's not that long yeah the game only saves at the end of a day So, if you start a day, you have to finish it because otherwise you're going to lose everything that you did. And when I started playing it, my boyfriend was like, You got to watch out. Those days are going to get you. And I had no idea what he was talking about. And now I do. Or I'm like, oh my God, you just always fall into the next one. And then what was interesting to me was that it's exactly, physically, it's the same feeling that I remember from before. Like, oh, this is just the same thing, but like devoid of maybe some forms of like terror. But in terms of like how it actually just like feels.”
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“But okay, so it's, you know, you're like living on a farm and you have your little farm or whatever. But the days in the game are seven minutes long.”
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“Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is sort of a weird comparison, but during the pandemic, I played this video game called Stardew Valley. It's very popular. I don't know if you've ever seen it. I'm not a big fan.”
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