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“Then I cannot say exactly when my views started to change, but I remember I was very disappointed the way China reacted when the Norwegian Nobel Peace Prize Committee awarded the Peace Prize to a Chinese dissident, I think it was in 2010”
2024-10-16 · In Good Company with Nicolai Tangen · Jens Stoltenberg: Navigating global security, crisis leadership, and staying calm under pressure · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I was extremely impressed. I remember I visited China in 85 or 86, as it is in the middle of the 80s, and I was extremely impressed by the changes that Deng Xiaoping did and how they were opening up their economy, how the economic growth of China changed the world, partly for the people in China. Lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, but also actually important for the rest of the world by creating a big new market, by providing a lot of products to global economy. Norway benefited. We sold a lot of energy, oil, gas into the Chinese market or global market. And then we bought a lot of things from China, good price. That has been a great success story for China and for the rest of the world.”
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“First, I would like to say that if, for instance, read that book, I'll read it twice. I love it. I was a great believer in China for many years.”
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“First of all, I've been very careful giving any advice because I just don't think that people are leaving a position should be to, especially not in public, to explicit on advice and so on. I have great trust in Marcuta. He's a great leader. He has been prime minister for, I think it's 14 years. And of course, just to lead coalitions, to find compromises, I think is the best way to qualify to become Secretary General of NATO, to know how to reconcile different views. But I cannot hide that, of course, the most important task for any sector general of NATO is to keep this big family together. And we are 32 allies, and we don't always agree on all issues. So his main task is to ensure that despite these differences that we are able to To rally around the core task to protect and defend each other.”
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“You are absolutely right. And Alex Stubb, the president of Finland It's different from Ukraine, but there are some parallels. They were invaded by the Red Army in 1939. And they were able to, as a small country, to inflict much more heavy losses and pain on the invading Russian or Soviet forces. The Red Army didn't achieve their goals, but to end the war, Finland had to accept to give up to cede roughly 10% of the territory and their second biggest city, Worg, which is now part of Russia. But of course, in return, they gained borders and security that has lasted for decades. I'm not saying that this is the parallel for the Ukrainian.”
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“And again, I think that the path to peace is to convince Putin that he cannot win on the battlefield. There is a very close relationship between what happens on the battlefield and what can happen around a negotiating table. So if you want some kind of acceptable solution where Ukraine will remain as an independent nation, then military strength on the battlefield is the way to convince Putin that he has to accept that. Then of course For the Ukrainians to decide how much they are willing to give up to achieve peace, I've met many Finnish politicians over the last couple of years since Finland now had joined NATO.”
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“Extremely careful, even though I'm now stepped down as Secretary General in a way to speculate because it can be self-fulfilling prophecies. If we start to say that we believe that Ukraine has to do this and that or cede more territory, then of course it can... Boost and were all of the Russians and reduce the morale morale of the Ukrainians. And even though I know that I'm not speaking on behalf of NATO anymore, I think it matters what we all say when it comes to what we believe that Ukraine Also, maybe forced to. Fundamentally, it is only the Ukrainians that can decide what are acceptable conditions. They are paying the highest price. They are sacrificing people every day to fight for their freedom.”
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“I think we need to remember what this is that this is a war aggression. Russia has attacked another country. That's a blatant violation of international law. According to international law, Ukraine has the right for self defense. Self defense includes the right to strike legitimate military targets on the territory of the aggressor, meaning Russia. So therefore, I have argued for loosening up these restrictions and many allies have done so and then there is an ongoing conversation among Nedalis exactly to what extent They should remove all restrictions when it comes to hitting legitimate winter targets under”
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“Someday do allies have said there are no restrictions except for adhering to international law. Others have imposed some restrictions on the use of weapons deep into Russia.”
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“We had big discussions on whether we were going to deliver battle tanks. Now allies deliver a lot of advanced modern battle tanks, including US Abraham's tanks, European or German leopard tanks. We deliver advanced air defense systems, patriots. We deliver long-range artillery, also cruise missiles from, for instance, United Kingdom and France, and then also F-16s. So the scale and the quality of this military support is much bigger than anyone was able to foresee just a couple of years ago. I think the dilemma which continues to be discussed among allies is to what extent should we allow Ukraine to use all these weapons against military targets inside Russia? And allies have different policy.”
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“Well, NATO allies have Deliver a lot of also offensive weapons. The reality is that, of course, we have gradually changed over the years. I remember when I came to NATO in 2014, then some allies, the United States, the United Kingdom and a couple of others, Canada, they provided some military support, some training, but hardly any lethal weapons. It was a big discussion, for instance, about javelins, the anti-tank weapons, which has proven extremely important on the battlefield in Ukraine. But then I think actually we should have done more before the full-scale invasion in 2022. But after 2022, the full-scale invasion NATO allies have delivered Much more military support than President Put expected. And to be honest, also we expected.”
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“And I don't believe that we can change Putin's mind, but I think we can change his calculus, meaning that I don't think we can change his ambition, his goal of trying to control Ukraine. But I think that by providing military support to Ukraine, we can ensure that the cost of achieving that goal for Russia is so high that they will accept a solution where Ukraine prevails in one way or another.”
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“Wars are by nature extremely unpredictable, so therefore I will be very careful predicting how that will end. But of course, we all want this war to end. The challenge is that the quickest way to end the war is to lose a war. But that will not lead to peace. That will lead to occupation of Ukraine. And Ukraine will not be sovereign independent democratic nation in Europe anymore. It will be a country controlled by Moscow. So if you want the war to end in a way where millions of Ukrainians still can live in a free democratic society, then we need to convince President Putin that he will not win on the battlefield, that he has to sit down and negotiate, agree a solution where you can still be a sovereign democratic nation.”
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“The most important changes, at least related to my task and my responsibilities in NATO, is that the world has become more dangerous. That's the bad news. The good news is that NATO has become stronger to protect close to 1 billion people Of course, there are many older changes, but seen from a security perspective, we have now a full-scale war in Europe. We have a new very devastating conflict in the Middle East, risk of escalation. And we have significantly more Global rivalry between great powers, the United States, China. And then we have cyber hybrid terrorist threats as a constant threat to our security. So fundamentally, we live in a more unpredictable, more dangerous world than we have done for decades.”
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