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  1. Yeah, another romp in the park. So I'm going to do that next year with my friend Sam Gold, who's an incredible director on Broadway, and that's not for a little while. I'm going to take a break now. I feel pretty spent.

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  2. I am going to do, I'm looking at it right in front of me. I am going to do Ibsen's play An Enemy of the People on Broadway.

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  3. And I don't think Jesse is offering any kind of prescription, but that to me would have been the thing that could have helped and maybe even saved these people. And the vortex of power, which is drawing them all in, and which is drawing us in as a nation is a clear and present danger. And that's what it means to me.

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  4. That's a hard question. The show. Shakespearean in scope, you know, it's like a swifty and satire, but it is a profound document and tapestry of life and contemporary life at this moment in our country and in our history, having been a part of something that feels central and meaningful. That's something that I feel very proud of and grateful for. What does it mean? I mean, there's something that I've thought about since we started making this and that I've said there's this thing I read that Jung said, that where love is absent, power fills the vacuum. To me, that's what the show has always been about.

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  5. Yeah, I think that they'll be able to keep going. I think that Kendall has just slowly mortgaged off everything and has nothing left to live for.

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  6. I think that Jesse may be Intended that in the writing, you know, this sense that Kendall has lost, but maybe he's free, and maybe he's going to keep... Walking, I guess I felt With everything in my body, that there is no coming back from this.

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  7. It is a completely tragic ending from my perspective, and this idea, you know, the title is it with open eyes? Is that what the episode is called? Those eyes are not Kendall's eyes. Those eyes are The poem are the eyes of this reproachful face in his mind that is staring back at him. It's all the things he's done the cater waiter who he killed it's all the people that he has betrayed I can't answer who that face is staring back at him ghastly with open eyes but it's all of it

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  8. There's a line in it that says enter the whirlpool. And Jesse wrote back to me entering the whirlpool. And that's what the ending is for me.

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  9. I mean, I'm sure Jesse's choice is better, and in a way, I think you see the intentionality in the character. I mean, you said you felt like he was going to go in. And I did. I tried to. I've been sitting with that poem for a long time. And there's something in the Barrimint poem. I sent Jesse and Mark a text after we filmed the scene. There sat down a thing once on Henry's heart so heavy if he had a hundred years and more and weeping sleepless in all them time Henry could not make good starts again always in Henry's ears a chime and that chime the clanging came out of that poem and then Jessie wrote back immediately and this is Jessie's mind. Passage from T.S. Eliot's The Wasteland Part four, which is called Death by Water.

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  10. Well, in one of the takes, I climbed over the barrier. I sat on the bench, and it always, to me, felt like there was no coming back from this. And I looked at these waves, and it was so windy that day and so cold. And there was some piece of metal clanging. And it was this terrible sound. And I sort of couldn't bear it. And I stood up and walked slowly to the barrier that was set up there and climbed over it. And I didn't really know what I planned to do. And the actor playing Colin saw me and ran and stopped me from doing it.

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  11. Well, in Roman also, I love that Roman ends at this bar where you sort of feel like he's going to be okay. That's what I felt. Like he's finally liberated from it.

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  12. I think he realizes maybe not that he's bullshit, but that he never had it, that this entire thing was a fallacious thing and was a fantasy, and the whole thing deflates, and he goes from the super being to the wraith.

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  13. I think Frank said to me, You don't have it, you never had it. And when Frank said you never had it, which we don't hear in the show, but which I heard in the room, that did something to me that just stopped me. Just stopped me in my tracks, and I guess the life just went out of me.

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  14. Well, I'll tell you in that room, I certainly couldn't accept that. And it's why I had to keep going. Walking back into the boardroom was something that just happened. You know, it was meant to end with Roman and I in the room. But I still felt that Kendall had something left in the tank. And so Mark Mylod, who's just such a brilliant director and a brilliant collaborator, and Jesse, I just kept going and they followed me with the camera and we went back into the room. And you see this sort of, I mean, for me, it's an extinction level event that happens. And I don't think we used it in the show, but sometimes Jesse would give people off camera lines.

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  15. And so this is the way that we saw our Father express himself through violence and through abuse and through sort of negation. And so this is what we're all doing to each other. And this is the fruit that they've borne.

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  16. I think that is what's happening in that scene. It's a kind of traumatic reenactment. You know, the love language that we had as children was essentially a language of neglect and abuse. And so we were not given nurture as children. You know, our mother, I find the character of our mother almost more painful than our father in some ways.

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  17. That's right. Well, that's what I mean by arriving at a no-real person involved moment, the fact that I can just in a very kind of blithe way that that never happened. And it was just something I said and I never got in the car

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  18. Yeah, I mean, you know, Nate says to him at the tailgate party You're not Logan, and that's a good thing. There's a spike in him in his heart that divides him. He both wants to be his father and doesn't want to be his father, wants to be his own man, and he does, I think, have goodness in him, or did, you know, I mean, I think the scene at the end of season three, when we're sitting at the table in Italy, I say to my father, you've won because you are corrupt, and so is the world. And I'm better than you. I think he believes that. And maybe he's even standing on moral ground at that point. But by the end of season four, he's lost that high ground completely.

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  19. It's not that dissimilar from the ending of episode six in season one, where he attempts a coup, makes it to the boardroom, leaves the boardroom having lost, and walks into traffic on Broadway. And I think Jesse's making a sort of profound point that people don't change, that they are kind of stuck in this Doom loop.

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  20. What's happening there? I mean, I think it's just Release of years of vitriol and animosity and jealousies and envy and I think, you know, Jesse doesn't really believe, I think philosophically, I don't think he believes that people change. I think he's put us all in a kind of doom loop. And that's what we're also seeing happen here. And certainly for Kendall, the ending of the series is a doom loop. Right.

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  21. I think there is payback happening, and maybe they think that Madsen is the lesser of two evils. Maybe they think I will be, you know, the mad king. It knocked the wind out of me. It felt unjust, and the character after that piece we just listened to sort of loses it in a way we never have seen him lose it, which also reinforces that, in fact, you know, Logan is my middle name. It reinforces that that is innate and that is part of his DNA.

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  22. I think they just can't tolerate seeing Kendall. Win, in a sense, I think what they perceive as his sort of grandiosity and self importance and putting his feet up on dad's desk. They can't stomach it. It's what Shiv says. I mean, I think it's also, you know, it's something I say to Shiv in episode eight, maybe the poison drips through. When I'm trying to, I think, wrestle over the choice to make in the election, I think that they perceive that that is in fact true.

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  23. Fundamentally, that's the writing. That's just Jesse Armstrong's just astonishingly brilliant writing because he's writing With such understanding of human beings and their complexities and fallibilities and pathos, and there's such a subterranean level underneath the writing,

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  24. No, in a sense it tells me I discovered through doing it that actually this is the thing he needs to make everything right in his life and so they give that to him and then they take it away from him

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  25. Yeah. The imagery. That's right. In California, there were these big swells at Zuma Beach. It was winter, and going into that ocean and floating with a sort of Eboulion triumph of that episode. And then in Barbados, as you say, the freedom. And I was sitting on that dock, Kieran and Sarah were shooting their scene on the beach and I was sitting there looking up at a sky full of stars and feeling the alignment of everything for this character. And it is, it's as happy as this character ever gets.

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  26. Just on the dock, you know, she says you can smile, bitch, and they say it's happy Ken, and in a way, this is what this man needed. Be happy. And so he gets it for a moment. And that happiness is carried into that kitchen and the sort of night kitchen scene. And it was a wonderful night. And we wrapped the show at the end of that scene. That was the final thing we did.

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  27. Know it was one of those times where I felt allowed to really just enjoy Kieran and Sarah and I have been through so much together. I love them so much. I respect them so much. Their work this season has just blown me away. But often Kendall is at variance with them or there is just so much tension and friction and that's something that I need to take on board myself.

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  28. I wouldn't know how not to drink it. He wants it that badly that he's going to drink whatever that is. But it was disgusting.

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  29. We did it only a few times, and I went outside and retched and jumped in the ocean and washed it off my hair. Yeah, I did drink it. Yeah.

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  30. I don't even think it's the desperation. I mean, maybe I'm deluded as Kendall, but I guess I think if they look at the facts objectively and squarely, he is actually the person most suited for the job. And he did demonstrate a level of, I would say, competence in the Living Plus presentation to investors on that Investors Day presentation for me also another one of the kind of stations of the cross of like the willingness to perjure himself and to edit words into my father's mouth that he didn't say and the cynicism of that presentation, what I say in the dressing room to Roman, it makes you lose your faith in capitalism. You can say anything, but he's good at it. And I think they recognize, I think they saw that they were reluctant. Crown him king.

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  31. Course, no, it's a substitutive addiction. I mean, work addiction is a real thing and it's something I even understand. I mean, I think many of us do in this culture.

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  32. No, no. I mean, I don't even know if that's a metric that, you know, being good for him or, you know, success is a virtue in this family, the credo of winning. And I think in the beginning of the season, Kendall says to his brother and sister, I need something super fucking absorbing in my life. Like he needs a matterhorn to climb because if he's not doing that, if he doesn't have something, then I think he will backslide into a whirlpool of negativity, of addiction, of suicidality, and so the character is always on thin ice and needs to find something to buoy himself and keep himself above water.

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  33. Yeah, with a lot of Kashmir and planes. But ultimately, it is about legacy media, but it's also about the legacy of damage and the legacy of trauma and when those things have been scaled up in such a way that they have major repercussions in the world. I mean, I think episode eight for me is in a sense a pinnacle of the writing because we see this, you know, for personal reasons in a way, make a decision that imperils our democracy.

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  34. No, it's like he doesn't even want it. I remember reading one of the things I read early on was Andre Agassi's autobiography, Open, which is an incredible book, and he writes about what he called the pain of playing. You know, his father put this ball machine, I think, called the dragon, I might be wrong, in their backyard in Las Vegas and just forced him to hit balls until he was blue in the face, and he never actually wanted it. And I thought about that a lot. I think that is the tragedy that this was imposed upon him, and it in a sense shaped and misshaped and deformed his life. He could never free himself from that objective. When we first talked about the show, Adam McKay and Jesse Armstrong and I, we talked about Feston, the Thomas Vinnerberg film about trauma, that this is really about family, trauma, and legacy in the Trojan horse of a show about legacy.

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  35. Drive of his life. I remember reading in Chekhov's short stories, he writes, tell me what a person wants, and I'll tell you who they are. And Kendall has always had this singularity of wanting. It's ultimately the tragedy, I think, of this show is in a sense Kendall's tragedy. It's the tragedy of everyone. But we followed him as a protagonist through these four seasons.

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  36. Yeah, I mean, you know, Jesse and the writers had written a timeline for Kendall back when we started this. So I've always had a sense of his life, his whole life. This memory crystallized in a beautiful way in that moment, and we talked about where that might have happened. And, you know, that seemed like a place where that might have happened on Route 27 out in the Hamptons where all those kids go. But that moment of incongruity of this innocence of the candy kitchen and this moment where his father says one day this will be yours. And that becoming the defining.

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  37. He fucking promised it to me Promised when I was seven, he sat me down at the candy kitchen in Bridgehampton and he fucking promised it to me. Seven years old Can you imagine? Yeah.

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  38. Course, and that's you know, the show is about a lot of things. And what I love about this episode in particular and the way we see New York City and the financial district This amazing convergence that is incredibly difficult to pull off of collapsing empire and kind of a terminal state, that terminal decadence, there's that great Rolling Stone article about terminal decadence a few years ago and the dying of the light. And he's doing that in a country, about a country, but also about a character.

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  39. Sure, you know, and I and I have done in the theater years ago, and it's really every role kind of demands different things of you and what this role demanded was incredibly heavy. I mean, the title of the finale of each season comes from the John Berriman poem. And that's a poem that essentially says, let me get it right, but it's something that I've thought about since season one. There sat down a thing once on Henry's heart so heavy, and I'm paraphrasing, but after a thousand years sleepless, weeping Henry could not make good, and so part of my job as an actor is to attempt to carry that weight, to put a thing that is so heavy that after a thousand years I cannot make good. And that's Kendall's journey.

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  40. I mean, it's a hard question. It's a very amorphous thing. I believe in the kind of work where you have to give something as much density and weight and veracity as possible. And so I don't know how to do that without using parts of myself and in a way, you know, I remember Dustin Hoffman in an interview once talked about acting as confessing your deeper crimes. Crimes of the Spirit and the Conscience, and a lot of what we're exploring in this show is shadow stuff. So, no, I mean, my life couldn't be more different. I mean, I'm wearing a hat that says books are magic from my local bookstore. And, you know, I also have kids and I'm very different from this character. But at work, I guess when I cross that Rubicon. Kendall is the only thing that matters, and it becomes a life and death struggle for me.

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  41. In a way, I think Kendall, you know, he becomes his father, in a sense. He has the moment of no real person involved, which is what his father said to him on the yacht in Croatia about the cater waiter who died. And at the time, it was a monstrous thing for Kendall to hear. And it sort of showed a heart of darkness, or at least a complete lack of a moral ethical core and a kind of terrible amorality. And when Kendall says it didn't happen, I never got in the car. He's basically willing to cross any lines that are left

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  42. Part of working on this, and for me, part of acting in general is sort of clearing your mind entirely and trying to make yourself. As much of an empty vessel as you can. So I'm not thinking about much at all, but I do feel a sense of loss. I mean, I've been so occupied with this and so come to a point of such conviction about Kendall and his needs and wants as if they were my own. And so it's hard to answer that question. There's a sense of merging and a sense of letting go, which I've done. You know, we finished a while ago now, but even I finally watched this two days ago and it was painful to watch and it's been reverberating with me. And I think the thing that Jesse did so brilliantly in this episode.

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  43. If he might be a wraith or a super being, and this idea of the wraith and the super being was something that I think was at play the rest of the season, and so episode ten starts with Kendall I think surmounting his super being. He's in ascendancy, and when that finally fails and the full catastrophe is sort of upon him, then at the end he is that wraith walking through Battery Park and I think facing the end.

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  44. I needed to invest, I think, in what Kendall was holding on to and what Kendall was believing in. Of course, my job is to be right there in the trenches with him and fight his fight, I guess. And so until the moment When finally I go back into the boardroom and Frank says you don't have it, Jesse set up this incredible dichotomy this season after my father died on the roof of that boat. He'd written this stage direction. Kendall finds himself, he's looking down towards the Statue of Liberty. At this moment the sharp tip of the spear of American history. And this colossal loss that the worst thing has happened and that the world is off its axis and at the same time, he's still there. And he doesn't know.

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  45. I mean, I was gutted by it. I think I had a vague sense of the shape of things. You know, I'd spoken to Jesse before the season. It's one of those episodes for. I think I felt that the journey through this episode was, you know, winding the bow back as far as it could possibly go to reach its final target, which is someone who has finally lost everything. He's lost his father, he's lost his morality, he's lost in a sense his soul, he's lost his brother and sister, he's lost his children, he's lost love, and he's lost his ambition, which is a defining thing for him in his life.

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