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Jill Soloway

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  1. “Little bit, I mean, you know, my mom's a little bit like Shelly, and my map is a little bit like Mora, and I have a sister named Faith, and she's, you know, we're the sibl, they were a little reflected. I mean, to me it just feels like quite an honor to have the kind of creative freedom that allows me to make such a jewy show.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  2. “Not just hiring but yes, keeping an eye on people and making sure things are working for them. So, yeah, it has to be more than just sort of a diversity program, but it has to be an overwhelming active push. Very briefly, Karen.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  3. “And then you're gonna have to see that guy at a barbecue over the weekend and know that you didn't help your friend's son. And that's a really hard ask. You know, I think most people, most white people would say, well, I will get to it. I will get to hiring people of color, but in this case, I actually do want to help out my friends daughter, most white people would say that. I'm guilty of that. Most women will say, well, she's a woman, so she's white, that's enough. Or there are ways in which you can think you're taking care of diversity, but you're still really leaving out trans people. You're leaving out trans people of color, you're leaving out queer people. So it has to be an active and active feedback too.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  4. “Yeah, it's a huge problem. I mean, we have to work with our people on the show who are really involved in making sure we have more trans people. We have to do person to person. We have to find that trans person, introduce them to a department head, get them in that job, keep an eye on them, give them feedback, make sure things are working. That's the way we're doing it right now is just trying to stay connected to each hire and get these people into these positions because it's really, I think not only do you have to be able to keep an eye out for trans people you want to hire, but you also have to be willing to turn down your friends and your friends' kids. If you're a white guy who went to Yale, you're going to get an email from your buddy who said, my son just got out of college, can you give him a job? And you're going to have to say no.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  5. “Megan talked about sort of the representation in front of the screen. I'm curious behind the screen. You talked about the DGA getting some trans people, and I'm curious, you know, in tech, there's a few prominent trans people who've transitioned, but it's still really hard for people that are just coming up that are non-binary or trans to get that first job. Is that still a big problem in Hollywood, or are you seeing that change?”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  6. “The lift that you're doing on behalf of all of the talent and unlocking the talent of what we could all be, how we can be more authentically true, will really change the world and the economy and who feels more creatively confident about the future. So thank you.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  7. “You can press a button and you can have the exact same locks and bagels at your door within an hour, which I feel like Amazon can do, right? There's a robot out here that, well, you're deep in it.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  8. “And yes, you can purchase there's an episode coming up in season four called Standing Order where the FAFRMINS have a standing order at the Delhi. I want Delis to be able to deliver the Feffermen while you're watching it.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  9. “Now you've monetized it beautifully. Well, not just monetized by my mapa as we call her, which is a name we got from the You know, really celebrated her and celebrated her with the community of transparent. And she said, did you invite Caitlin Jenner? And I said, I should have. But, you know, Caitlin Jenner said to me, watching Transparent with my family really helped me to see that a family could have somebody come out and survive. And so to look at what's happened in four years simply around trans issues going from a moment where I got a phone call and said, I'm a little freaked out, I'm going to write to deal with my anxiety, which is an amazing moment for an artist where you go, I'm writing my way into a reality that will make me feel better right now and to be able to offer that to our own family as a holder for, okay, here we are, let's look at ourselves in this art to make sense of what's happening. And four years later, to have created a place of empathy and love around trans people within your family and the world.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  10. “I'm excited to work for anybody. I do have really big ambitions because I think about systems and I think about mythology and I think about revolution and I love how television has become as Jeff said storytelling is a great way to change hearts and change minds, change the culture which changes laws and it happened quickly. My parent came out four years ago. I mean four years ago I was on the receiving end of a phone call where I was pretty freaked out. And I thought, I don't really understand what my dad is saying. And I don't know what this means.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  11. “And so they went out to dinner with him one night and she became obsessed with him. And she started writing him love letter. She started writing Dick love letters in real life. And Dick said, leave me alone, you crazy bitch. Stop sending me these letters. And Chris and her husband Silver said, oh, Dick's response letters are part of the art. It's all the art project. Our letters to him, you know, her husband got involved, which I think is a strange plot twist that her husband was cool with it. I've never seen this TV show where a husband is helping his wife seduce somebody, but because they're both artists, they kept saying, well, his response is to us are art. And at some point, Chris looked at her letters and said, these aren't letters. This is a book. I'm not crazy. I'm not obsessed with this man. I'm a writer and this is my writer's voice. And that's really what I loved it was about.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  12. “Oh, I love Dick. Yeah. Well, there's a real woman. Her name is Chris Krause, and she was married to a man named Silver Lotringer, and they became obsessed with a cultural critic named Dick Habitage. He was probably invented the field of cultural theory. He was like the first guy to say the Beatles are, you can do academia about the Beatles.”

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  13. “Yeah, I feel free to really tune into what the Faffermans want. They seem real to me, these characters. And I can really feel my way to what the next episode is, what the next scene is, what the next beat is. And the same thing with I Love Dick.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  14. “Like a guy who's kind of got it all, you know, like. Lead with your tummy. Just walk into the room with your belt down here Just kind of hold space. Women don't do that. Yeah, patriarchal privilege, right? Anybody can do it. Just stick your stomach out. It's like pregnant women and really successful old guys. They lead with a big tummy. And I started to realize this isn't feminine or feminist. It can be both feminine and masculine. It's ungendered. It's about really something bigger. And I think that's what I'm working on now is how to move past an idea of, well, this is what women need to do and this is a woman-only space. And this is how women lead. And instead talk about how humans can lead with a real awareness of a balance, a balanced masculine and feminine.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  15. “It's not even watching, it's feeling. It's feeling. I mean, a lot of directors back in the day when I would be on shows like Six Feed Under and I would watch the directors come, they'll come and they'll stand at the monitor. They'll watch a take like this and they'll kind of have this body language and then when the actor gets it right, they'll swing a bat. Something got hit. And so I sometimes just go up to people and I pull their shoulders back and I have them just kind of stand there because I'm wanting them to hold space to feel what's happening in the scene so that they can respond to it. And I think early on I thought that that was a very feminine and feminist thing to do. And then I think in the past year, I started to look at male privilege, and that's what I spoke about here at makers and talked about that it can be very masculine to hold space. And I kind of”

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  16. “To not come in with a real plan about this is how the TV show is going to go, this is how the scene is going to go. But instead, hold space for what's happening with the actors, with the other artists. And really that just means very specifically standing with my feet planted when I'm on the set and allowing myself to feel what's happening in the scene.”

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  17. “Yeah, well, I think one of the things that we're always doing as artists at Toppel is attempting to hold space. That's what I'm kind of always talking about is holding space, that holding space is, you know, I think before a few years ago, before I really was willing to interrogate my own ideas about gender, I thought of holding space as a feminine thing. You know, that women or cis women have a uterus or the moon or bait pregnancy or mothering and that holding space was a way that women could come to the world of business equipped with some qualities that they already had. I wanted to tell women, you already know how to do this, you already know how to lead, holding space is a very feminine quality. And it really is almost all you need to lead.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  18. “Yeah, I don't really know much of what's going on with other creators. We have so many amazing people that we're attempting to bring up through the ranks. As I said, women, especially women of color, trans people, you know, we've gotten probably three or four trans people into the DGA in the past year, trans people into the Writers Guild changed the Writers' Guild union regarding trans healthcare. So the work we're doing by taking one person at a time and bringing them into these positions, writer, director, producer, and allowing them their own protagonism so that they can create their own stories about their lives to me is”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  19. “Yes I don't know what would be happening if I had created. I feel like I'm in some ways left behind the kind of network thinking. I talked to my agent, say, what are you up to? He's like, I'm an up friends. Remember those, you know, picking up shows? Is my show getting picked up? And staffing season and all of these things, they're a distant memory for me. I do think of myself more as a media brand or topless a media brand. and that I love creating content. I love being on the set, talking to the actors, directing, but I also love thinking in a bigger way about how to share some of the stuff we're doing with more people.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  20. “You know, I feel that because Toppel has its own brand, which is that kind of world changing, will it change the world? Has it ever been done before? Those are the questions I ask when I read a script. And that's what Toppel wants to do is kind of upset the gaze, you know, the white male gaze that says, we have had, you know, white men have had control of what we're looking at for”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  21. “What I want to get at is there should be a new economic contract between creators and distribution platforms because it's not going to be like several people have said it's going to be Amazon, Google, Apple and Netflix.”

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  22. “Yeah, well, because it's a new world in terms of not only owning your content but having a piece of the platform. Right. Distribution platform. Yeah, I'm happy to have an unbridled amount of creative freedom besides transparent and I love Dick. I get to think up other TV shows. I'm in business with them on movies. We have ideas about VR. It's just a sort of matter of how quickly I can scale the business so that I can still be present on the set to direct sometimes, still write some scripts because I love doing that, but also have my big ambition about.”

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  23. “Paper towel sale. I went to him like Baruch Asalt and saying, I want the world. I want the whole world. I feel like they treat me amazingly, and I get all of the respect and love I can possibly want at this point from Amazon. I feel very well taken care of. I haven't done the stock computation yet. Like, should I be asking for stock, and how much should I be asking for, and if I had four years ago now, what would I be doing? Right. I don't think I ever want to do that. Yeah, I should do that.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  24. “Last night, as I was getting ready to go to bed, Kofi Fi happened, and I was like, I can't go to bed unless I tweet something about Kofifi. And finally, I tweeted, first, turn off your phone, then take your ambient, if not Kofi-Fi”

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  25. “You create culture that has story in it that says, for example, something as radical as trans people are people. And then laws follow. And that was exciting to hear from him that I was really, that I could do what I was doing and still have my ambitions about making the world a better place. And then I said, I asked the question, what do you do? What is it actually? You are doing day to day. How are you possibly managing this amount of innovation? And he said, I love seeing people I care about succeed. And I've kind of taken that to heart where I like to share some of the things I've learned about story, about process, about drama, about writing, and help other people, showrunners, directors, writers, editors, especially women, people of color and queer people who haven't had access to the storytelling.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  26. “Yes, and we're hanging out together, and there's like an hour and a half left of an awards show where I have nothing invested any longer. And I thought, let me, I'll do some WWJD questions. Okay. With Jeff Bezos, I'll ask him a few questions. And one of the questions I asked him is I'm obsessed with a sort of a movement for women, people of color, queer people, an intersectional power movement. I think about revolution all the time. How do I square that with my TV and filmmaking ambitions? And he said they're the same thing. The way that you make change with story. The way that story can make change is so much faster than the way politics can make change”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  27. “We hang out all the time. We live together. We sleep together, we shop online together. Yeah, we're deep in it. No, he's great. We've hung out quite a few times, and I always love hanging out with him. He's fantastic.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  28. “Not with me, maybe with other creators, but we have a great relationship with Joe Lewis, who's my sort of day-to-day person. And the good thing about what he does is we have conversations and we talk about the big things, the big story arcs, arcs over the course of a season, the big idea behind things. We don't really get the little like there's a period on this page instead of a comma. I think it should be a comma. There's none of that kind of micromanaging. And I do look at Amazon's leadership principles and the ways in which their ethos about how they deal with all of their suppliers, a lot of those things make sense for me in television. So that's great”

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  29. “You can't root for a woman who's, I don't know, sexual or odd. I mean, the fact that the show, I love Dick, is about Chris Kraus and it's about her kind of losing it, that couldn't have happened without girls, without crazy ex-girlfriend, without Lady Dynamite. These are all shows that inspire, you know, I think as women see other shows created by women that allow the main characters to be kind of off, we get to take part in these traditions that people like Tony Soprano or Walter White. You don't really get to have nutty women. And that's kind of new.”

    2017-06-17 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Jill Soloway, creator, 'Transparent' (Code Conference 2017) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  30. “Yeah, well, it wasn't really minutes. It just felt like, well, you know, I mean, I wrote two or three pilots a year. And yeah, often got the note that your main character is unlikable. And you need to have a rootable male at the center of your show. You can't have an unlikable woman holding down a show. We can't root for her. So yeah. Rootable, meaning. Rootable. Okay.”

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  31. “I mean, Joe Lou, yeah, they were around, but they have a very different style than most networks, and I don't really know how things work at Netflix. I imagine it's a little bit the same, but because they're using these kind of disruptive technologies, they don't really have the same tradition about let's put a stop to things at the outline stage, at the script stage, you know, they really don't weigh in over and over and over again. And after developing for 10 years with networks, I was doing a lot of rewriting simply, you know, I would do some political rewriting all the time just to make people happy. I was working with groups of people and I wanted them all on board and so somebody would have a note and I would go through and take a pass the way you iterate any project.”

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  32. “But one thing happened at the deal stage with them that really helped me to make the decision, which was they said, and I don't know if they would ever do this again, but at the time, maybe because they were building their business, they said, if we don't end up picking it up, you can have the half hour back. And it could be the first part of a movie as long as you give us right of first refusal on the movie. So in my mind, I had just come out of Sundance and it just made my first feature. And so in my mind, okay, I'll use this money from this shopping company to shoot 30 minutes. And we'll see what happens from there. And if worse comes to worst. I felt like I wasn't going to have another great idea this big. Most studios, if you sell your idea to them, you can't get it back unless you pay a lot of money. Right.”

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  33. “Joe Lewis, I pitched to Joe Lewis and Sarah Babinau and Kristen Zolner. And yeah, all of my meetings at all of the places were very casual and I knew everybody and guess what happened in my real life and let me tell you my story.”

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  34. “No, I thought that when I told people I had sold the show to Amazon, I was sort of like, I think I might have a web series. I don't know what it is. But I don't know what it's going to be. And I think I didn't really understand Amazon's ambitions in content and how things would evolve year to year to year. I mean, I think a year later when we were nominated for a Golden Globe, I really realized That we were on the playing field. I just kind of never thought we would be in the same playing field. So that was really exciting.”

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  35. “I think, yeah, HBO was like, well, think about it, Showtime was like, we'll get back to you. FX had a show, a trans show in development with Ryan Murphy that ended up kind of, they didn't want to do both at the same time. That ended up not happening. I think Netflix had Orange at the time, and they felt like everybody had their reason why it wasn't the right time for this show at this network with me. And so, yeah, my agent talked about Amazon, and there were no shows. So I was like, what will happen? How will Amazon have a TV show? I actually thought that you would be clicking on a product in the TV show and buying it while you were watching it.”

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  36. “And yeah, I would say the show started writing itself. It was a family whose parent comes out at trans at the age of 70 is crazy in real life, and it's great for television as well. So I had relationships at HBO and Showtime. Right. I almost felt like HBO was my college. I worked six feet under. And I prepared my pitch and I went around to, I actually wrote the pilot. I speced the pilot on the advice of my agent. He said, go ahead and write the whole thing. You'll go and have a meeting at each of the big networks, and then we'll send them the written script. And I kind of went around to all of the usual suspects to HBO to Showtime, Netflix was around at the time. I talked to FX. And then there was the sort of, would you like to pitch it to Amazon? And, you know.”

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  37. “I didn't say it on the phone to my parent. No. I said, I'm happy for you. I love you. I support you. I did not say I will be monetizing this into a program. I left that out.”

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  38. “This was one where I was like, maybe I have not been successful in television yet because I haven't had the right idea. Maybe this is the right idea. Right.”

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  39. “Well, there were unlikable female protagonists, possibly. Transparent was the first time that I had a female protagonist played by a man, so that could be why. I became successful Perhaps. Yeah. But to be less jokey about trans issues, my own parent came out as trans about maybe six years ago. And very shortly after, like, you know, a good two or three seconds into the phone call, I started planning the TV show. Okay.”

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  40. “I worked on six feet under, obviously, United States of Terror, Gray's Anatomy, How to Make In America. And I had learned enough that they were starting to call me a veteran TV writer. And they would bring in sort of new people who had a great idea and they would pair me with them. And so I would teach people how to do television. And every year I would have two or three pilots and would pitch them and they never got made because.”

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  41. “Yeah, well, I had been working in television for maybe 10 years or so, and I was kind of always hitting that ceiling on the TV shows I was working on. I was just to the left or just to the right of the creator and couldn't really get my own show sold.”

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  42. “You called it my name is Dick. The show is actually called I Loved Dick, which is very hard for Kariswisher to say out loud. That's all I can teach you. That's all I can figure out how she got it”

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