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  1. I'm not going to argue with him. If one of them ever said to me, David, we think it's time for you to quit. If I've not already quit, I won't algorithm at all.

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. Well, I'm not making any plans right now. I'm an avid golfer. I still golf sometimes 36 holes a day. I work as hard as I possibly can. I still have relatively good health. But I feel that it won't be long before I spend more time playing gol We'll see. I'm going to let the constituents and my children tell me when you think it's time for me to go.

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. Having an HBCU honored this way means a lot to black people because we couldn't go to those schools. And so they are very proud of us. We're going to do everything we can to make Joe Biden proud of having selected her.

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  4. I'm going to tell you something else. I'm an Omega, but I don't mind being the aka through November 3rd as well. So I think having her on this ticket revs up so many traditions in the African American community because fraternities and soorites in the African American community or civic organizations, they're not social organizations like they are in the white community. See, when we were coming along, we could not be in the lions club and the Rotary Club. And so fraternities and cerorities were social on college campuses, but they are civic in the communities. And that's why a graduate chapter of these fraternities and sororities for civic organizations, they're not social. And so to have a member of the, what we call the Divine Nine, means a lot to black people.

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  5. Means a whole lot to me. I'm the father of three daughters, so you can imagine what this means to me. They were so in to having an African-American woman on this chicken. She has been tested statewide several times. She has been tested in the political and the presidential stage. You know, as I was going around the state, prior to the February 29th primary, one of the reasons she never got traction in South Carolina is because so many people saw her just where she is today. I had people that say to me all the time, a dream ticket would be Biden and Harris. And so this is not anything new. And so I was asked about this. She's a graduate of the HBCU and she's a member of an African-American Sorade. Well, I'm graduate of HBCU too, South Carolina State. We're both in the same conference for years. I don't like.

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  6. Convenient all around the Jewish jurisdiction, whatever it may be, county or city, rather than having people line up with long lines in this era of social distancing, we need to stretch out voting over the whole month of October, which will culminate on November the 3rd so that there are a lot of people who ain't going to put their votes in the mail. I always vote early. Absentee in person. I have never mailed it. I shouldn't say I never, I may have mailed in a ballot once, but I don't remember ever mailing in a ballot.

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  7. I'm very concerned about that and I'm extremely concerned about that. That's why I have been yelling and I'm going to yell even louder going forward that we need to make October election month. I think that some people will start voting around mid-September. Some states will start that. So it seems to me that we ought to have voting in person starting whenever the states say in South Carolina, October 5th. It will be the day that absentee voting begins. And we ought to fund absentee voting in person. I have been yelling that the Colorado model ought to be followed all over the country where they put ballot boxes.

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  8. Yes Absolutely. Now, you know, it may require doing what we did with Hawaii in Alaska. This whole balance could be still on to the remnants of the Kansas-Nebraska Act and the Missouri Compromise, all these things that we do to maintain balance. We may have to do something like that. And some people may see Puerto Rico Absolutely

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  9. I'm not too sure about that. I run hot and cold on that. I do believe, though, that Mr. McComa has taught us that maybe it's time for us to do what's necessary to get our agenda passed if that's what it takes. I might be inclined to be for it.

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  10. I think it would be seriously taken up. I don't know if you'll be able to get beyond the filibuster in the Senate. Do you think they should do it?

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  11. In the country, we can do that for around $65 billion. We can do broadband for around $86 billion. I think that those four things will be priority with me. It will be life-changing. We would do broadband, we'll do in the 21st century what rural electricity did in the 20th century. Those would be my top four things. I like to do things in threes, but in this instance.

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  12. We're stuck beneath the proper level for the last 30 years. Is a persistent poverty community? So that's the thing I want to do look at right now call it 10, 20, 30, targeting at least 10% of all the resources that are appropriated into those communities with 20% of the multiple populations is stuck beneath the population for the last 30 years. That's number two. Number three, I want to see us pass a broadband bill that will put broadband into every home. Just like we did with electricity in the 20th century, we know what electricity did for rural communities. Broadband will do the same thing today. Then number four, I want to see us pass legislation that put a community, a federally qualified community health center within committee and distance of every

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  13. Be able to vote when you turn 18. Now states didn't want to set up a two-tier system and so then they decided to lower it at the state level. But there are a lot of things we can do for federal laws that may be left up to state for state laws to do. So I want us to take a hard look at that bill and make sure, especially if buying is elected and get a Senate, a Democratic Senate, then we are going to take a real strong look at the voting rights act to make sure that the things we are now experiencing or done. Then I want us to take a hard look at targeting resources. We like to study people. The Census Bureau says that any community where 20% or more of the population

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  14. I think the number one thing up to be the Voting Rights Act. And I really think that even though I'm very pleased with what we've done with the Voting Rights Reservation Act, that we have now called the John R. Lewis Voting Rights Act, I really think we ought to take a hard look at the things in that Act that we could do in order to ensure that we have voting made easier, not to leave things up to the states as we have done. If you remember, when we lowered the voting age to 18, states did not necessarily agree with that. So we say, okay, but if federal elections, you

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  15. I end up my last five years in state government. I had a full-time law enforcement agency with me whenever I traveled. In fact, there was a period of time when law enforcement people would stay in my house with my wife and children when I was not at home because of the threats I got because of that flag. But it revealed something that a lot of people did not appreciate until they took it off the State House when they decided to take the flag off the State House and put it on the state grounds, they put a different flag on the state grounds. It wasn't the flag that was on top of the state house. Even the one they put on the grounds was not the right flag. That was the flag of Northern Virginia.

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  16. It was a battle flag. It's the Tennessee flag. Bigfoot forest popularized that flag. That flag became popular because of going with the wind, the movie. But the Confederate flag, the stars and bars, is the flag of a circle of stars with three bars. And so I wrote an editorial, an open piece that was published in the Charleston Post Incorrect, and I call it romancing that flag. And I gave the history of the flag on top of the state house and said, that's not the Confederate flag. It never was a Confederate flag. Always was rejected by the Confederates. And a lot of people didn't like that.

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  17. There was a state senator. He still lives. He's a neighbor of mine, Kate Patterson, took to the floor of the house one day before he went to the Senate and spoke out against the Confederate flag flying on top of the State House. And all hell broke Lewis. His life was threatened. In fact, a guy got arrested and spent time for threatening. I came to his defense. but I did it differently. I went and did some extensive research, which I usually do with stuff like this. I discovered something like I did on the Strong Thurmond's building. I discovered that that flag on top of the State House was not the Confederate flag.

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  18. Look, you know, John Lewis took a lot of the licks to the head of many people back in the 60s were spat on when I was marching, sitting in down in Orangeburg. I've seen eggs smashed in people's hair. I've seen people spat upon. I've seen water horses turned on people. And of course, South Carolina is a little bit different from Mississippi and Alabama. You never saw cattle progress used in South Carolina. You never saw snarling dogs in South Carolina. South Carolinas were a little bit different, but just as steadfast in their beliefs in the Confederacy. So when I sat in the governor's office, the Confederate flag was flying on top of the State House. And so when I went to the Human Affairs Committee,

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  19. Hired somebody else to run the commission, and then when that person left, the commission asked me to come take it over because the legislature was trying to get rid of it. And they thought that I had enough of a relationship with the legislature that I could save the agency. They didn't want the first agency run by a black person to be eliminated. And that's back to what you were talking about earlier about Joe Biden. These are very conservative people who were trying to get rid of the agency with a black person running it. So my job was to try to save that agency. It meant I had to go to legislators that I didn't agree with much. Some of them I didn't agree with on anything. We saved the

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  20. And so you got 68, 6 or 9, 70, serious racial issues. John West running for governor against a guy named Abbott Watson, the Republicans from Lexington County. Everybody thought Abbott Watson was going to win, but John West eked out an 18,000 vote victory statewide and became governor. And in his inaugural address, He pledged a colorblind administration and set out to keep that pledge. And that's what led to me being on his staff. And then later on, I became the Commissioner of the Human Affairs Commission. A lot of people think I was the first commissioner. I was the second.

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  21. Right But that hospital strike led to some real, even martial law was declared in Charleston for 100 days that strike lasted. So John West got elected in 1970. We had the Hornsburg massacre in the background, the hospital strike. Then in 1970 is when South Carolina was ordered to integrate its schools. The schools still were not integrated after 1954, 16 years. The schools were not integrated. And then we were told that either integrating September or lose federal funds, that led to a big riot at a school in Moscow, South Carolina, where Brussels were overturned. And this was in September of 1970.

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  22. I was on this staff for three years before that. I was on this personal staff. And then my first job on this staff was to help form that commission. Because another thing happened in 1969. We had a Orange

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  23. He called me, and he told me we will not leave our wounded on the battlefield. And he invited me to his staff. And I've never looked back since.

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  24. John West was an interesting guy who a lot of people didn't know it. John West was a member of the NAACP. He joined NWCP in Clarendon County, where Brown v. Board of Education started at Briggs v. A. He was a member of the Mannon branch of the NASCP. But when I lost that race, and a reporter asked me what happened and the rumor was floating around town as to what happened to those votes, I said I didn't get enough votes. And the reporter oppressed me, but I would never change that line. It looks like I didn't get enough votes. That came the headline in the newspapers that Thursday morning, John West was coming through Charleston on his way out to Kiowar, which was a hunting preserve at the time for R&R. He saw the headline.

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  25. So that just stuck up a great relationship. And so I got really deeply involved in Charleston politics. And so I ran for the state legislature a year later, won the Democratic primary, but I had run as an insurgent. And therefore, I did not have the support for the powers that did. And so because I didn't, though I won the primary, they did not come on board to support me in the general and therefore I lost the general after having been declared the winner around 10 o'clock in the evening I was told the next morning that rather than being a 500 vote winners, somebody had forgotten care of one and I was a 500 vote loser.

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  26. Well, no, I never felt that this was not for me. I always felt that politics was my calling. And right out of the sit-ins, I started working, as I said, with the voter education project. Then in 1969, I ran a campaign for the first African-American to get elected to Charleston City Council since June divide. And when I was selected to run that campaign, I went to sit down with St. Julian one day because I really didn't know him and I wanted to get to know him because I'm going to manage this campaign. And when I started asking questions about him about him, he finally asked questions about me. And when I did, he says, where are you from? And I told him asked me about my wife and I told him, he says, wait a minute. He says, are you? I said, Yeah. He said, man, that's my cousin.

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  27. Yes, 58 of which we were married. We still married over 58 years and had a 60-year relationship. In fact, we met like in March 15th and the following October 15th when I met John Lewis. So those 60 years with John, I also shared with

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  28. Met in jail. Yeah, Emini met in jail. I have been in the crossroad around 1030 that morning and around 5 o'clock in the afternoon she came to the jail along with other students who had not been arrested that day because they filled up all the jails. They could not, they'd run out of jails, they put us in cow pins over 300 students were arrested that day, but there's about 5,000 students marching. And they all went back to the camps and some of them came back to the jail to bring us food. And she came toward me with a hamburger in her hands. I reached for her. She pulled the back, broke the hamburger in half. Give me a half of it. She ate the other half, and I was so grateful I married her 18 months

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  29. It was, it was. In fact, I couldn't sleep that night. And I got up early the next morning and did something I've not been able to do since. I got my device and put it, slacked it on some books. And I went out in my backyard and I did, I figured out how to work that device and I did my farewell to John. I have not been able to do it since but he kind of went viral.

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  30. The director, not Amelia. Now, he went up to New York for a year with the Field Foundation, but he came back to Atlanta and took over the voter education project that was sponsored by the Southern Regional Council. I was the only Chauncelin at the time, and I became chair of the Charleston Voter Education Project. So Jonathan Lewis and I worked together registering blacks to vote all over the South. I concentrated mostly in South Carolina. He was the regional director. And then, of course, after a stint on city council, he ran for Congress, lost the first time, and he ran again in 1986 and got elected. And of course, I joined him in Congress in 1992. We kept that friendship throughout all those years. Us, for whatever reason, mad librarians. His wife, a professional librarian, and so is mine.

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  31. Still a non violent coordinating committee. And that's when I met John Lewis. That's also the weekend that I met Martin Luther King Jr. And we set up with Martin Luther King Jr. that night for supposed to be an hour meeting starting around 10 o'clock. I came out of that meeting almost four o'clock the next morning and it was assault to Paul experience for me. I tell everybody John Lewis was different from all of us. We accept the nonviolence as a tactic. John internalized nonviolence. It became a way of life for him. And when John Lewis was ousted as chairman of SNCC, which is the nickname we had in the committee, he became

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  32. Well, John Lis and I first met in October 1960. We were both 20-year-old college students. He was in school down in Nashville, I think it was American Bible College, I forgot the name of it before you went to Fisk. He was down there, and I was at South Carolina State. And we all met in, I think it was April of 1960 up at Shaw University up in Raleigh, North Carolina. And of course, all of the activities that started out on February of 1, 1960 up in North Carolina, A&T that started spreading throughout the South. The city entered something that just caught on. And so we decided that things shouldn't be willy-nilly. We ought to organize this stuff. So we met in Atlanta at Mohawks College in October 1960 to formally organize

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  33. Like the strong thermal, they ask him to speak at his funeral. And he was requested for challenge. He spoke at Fit Challenge Funeral and I joined him in that. And I don't think, and I had people to criticize me for eulogizing Frielance. But, you know, my eulogy about Fritz Hollands was very clear. I came from Napoleon. Thank God a man can change. His family appreciated the way we dealt with that. Because everybody that knew Fritz Holland's history since 1947, he ran as a segregationist and he served as a segregationist. But thank God a man can change.

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  34. As I disagree with my current governor, but I work with him in order to get legislation done for South Carolina. I work with Tim Scott. I'm working with him now on justice and policing. We don't agree politically, but I work with him. And I think that's a good thing to do. And I don't think he ought to hold it against a person like Joe Biden for working with people. They're sitting there with votes in their hands. And sometimes they're sitting there in the majority. And if you can't create a climate within which to work with them, you aren't worth being in a legislative body because legislative bodies are all about gathering people of various backgrounds and experiences and trying to find common ground. And Joe Biden has always been able to find common ground to such an extent. Somebody like Joe.

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  35. Yes. He did. And of course, Biden had this relationship with Strong, much like the relationship I had with him. And I think that it's very unfair for people to expect you, not to maintain civility in a legislative body. Democrats are in the majority in the House, but we are not in the majority in the Senate. And if you're going to get legislation passed, it's got to pass the House and the Senate. And so just this morning I spent time with Congressman Johnson from Louisiana, very conservative. We working on broadband stuff together. I think it's good for people to be able to disagree.

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  36. Strom and I got to be pretty good friends. I was very good friends with his sister, Gertrude. He had a sister that I worked together with his sister in the Employment Security Commission. And he always talked about how much his sister loved me. And that was the base of our relationship. So I got along well with Rich Strong.

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  37. I knew he wouldn't pass the Senate, but if we pass the House back then, I think we're passing house today, too. But he removed his objection.

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  38. Yeah, you know, thermo started making speeches right after that courthouse was designated and he was always referred to that proposed courthouse as the Strong Therman Annex because the federal building adjacent to the site is the Strong Thurmond Building. And so Strong, when I put the bill up, Strom opposed it. And of course, I got to pass the House, but he was going to keep it from passing the Senate. And I did some research and found out that the federal building with his name on it was never named by the Congress. It was done by Executive Fiat, the Jones Services Administration, named it that. And so I put the word out, sent a word by a former congressman. that if he did not remove his objection to my legislation, that I was going to put up a bill in the House to name to take his name off the federal building.

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  39. Yeah, but he became a federal judge. I decided that I wanted to name a courthouse for Matthew Perry. Columbia had been designated as the site of a federal courthouse. It's going to be a third federal courthouse in Columbia. And I got that courthouse name for Matthew Perry.

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  40. came to something to the Finn, the NSEP. And he was something else. My mom's closed theater shop and took me down to the courtroom. She said, I want you to see what you can be when you grow up. Matthew Perry just illuminated that courtroom. He lost the case, but he won the hearts and minds of the people of Sumter, South Carolina. And when I got to Congress, my first

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  41. And she took me to the courtroom. Oh, court case came up with Chef Nash, a lawyer over in Sumter, where we grew up, sued the NAACP, and that's when the southern states set about to try to break the bat of the NASCP. And in that lawsuit, a young lawyer Matthew Perry.

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  42. At one point, she had 16 operators in two beauty shops. My mom was just that kind of person. In fact, when I wrote my memoirs, most people to them the best chapter in the book was a chapter about my mother.

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  43. Yeah, this was, I was elected president of my youth council of the NWSP a little over a year before Brown v. Board of Education. It was before my 13th birthday. And my mother was a big fundraiser for the NSAP. She was a beautician. But she's a beautician extraordinary.

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  44. Well, the night that I went to ask him, a minister who was in a class with him told me that story, and I called my dad that night. And I was way down in Little Country of South Carolina. And I drove straight back to Sumter, where he was living. He was dying with prostate cancer. And I went to his house. It was after midnight. And I told him what I had heard. And with tears and designs, he told me that he had never told us that story because he didn't want any of us to ever think that there was any value in dropping out of school. And he thought. That might have an impact. So that's why he never told me. My dad died about three months after he told me the

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  45. The 12th grade, I mean to the fourth year, his senior year, until he got, they got his diploma. Well, he didn't have a diploma. So he never went back. And so he was denied a college education for that purpose. The college found it, I told that story in a speech one day, and the president of the college was there and he thought I was making that up. He came to me afterwards. He says, in fact, if I had known the president of the college was sitting behind me. I don't think I would have told the story. But he was back there. And he came up to me after us and he said, I've never heard this before. He said, is that true? And I told him, yes, my dad told me that. I said, he wouldn't have told me. He didn't tell me until about four or five months before he passed away, before I knew the story. It was somebody else.

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  46. To the 11th grade. And so my dad repeated the seventh grade three times and then finally the teachers told him he just could not, they were not going to let him back in. He was too far advanced for the other students and they would not let him come back to school. He then went and got a job in a bakery shop and he learned how to bake. But he also kept studying. And he finally studied enough, he thought, and took a college interest exam and passed it and was admitted to Mars College in Sumter. He and my mother moved to Sumter for that express purpose because both of them wanted to go to college. And so my dad went first. But after the third year, he was called into the president's office and was told that they didn't have a record of his high school graduation and was not going to be allowed to go into

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  47. My dad grew up in Creswell County, South Carolina, and at the time he was growing up. They did not provide education for blacks beyond the seventh grade. Whites went on through the 11th grade at that time public.

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  48. And I would hope that observers of this will understand what they're trying to do and not play into it. Because quite frankly, I think that South Carolina, which was the first to succeed, could very well be the launching pad of what would be a real New South. Now I've been around long enough to know that Ralph McGill, the old Atlanta Constitution, talked about a New South decades ago. And John West, who was my mentor.

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  49. Yes, I do. And that's what makes me fearful. I've been watching Jamie Harrison's race here in South Carolina. Yes, nobody expected Jimmy Harrison to break through the way he has broken through simply because he has been having a common sense discussion with South Koreanians. And he has defined himself in a way that nobody thought he could. People have decided that Jamie Harrison is the kind of person that would represent me well in Washington and they are not afraid of the fact that his complexion may not be, as Vanilla is theirs. And so I know what they were trying to do last night.

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  50. Within 12 inches, this guy's just pumping bullets in his body. That's beyond the pail. And so, you know, though you don't want to see that. That was a tough thing to see. In fact, I said to someone earlier today that to me was even worse. Than the knee to the net. This was just, I mean, how do you do that? But I don't know that we should respond. I've said that violence is their game. And I learned playing sports, that the opponent ever gets you to play. His or her They're going to win it. And so violence is their game and we ought not play their game. Because if we play their game, they will win. If we want to win, let's play our game. The game that we know how to play and the game we know can be successful. Don't fall in the trap of playing their game, irrespective of what may have precipitated it. Let's just don't play that game.

    2020-08-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 402 — Rep. Jim Clyburn · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source