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  1. “The morphing of all of these numbers into old school methods I thought was the school of what's happening now. I think that was Flip Wilson that talked about that back in the day. So if you could really, I mean, the group that frowns upon stuff that they don't understand and mock what they don't understand, you're really missing out. But I also believe you don't want to become an extremist in either situation because that could also injure you, whether you're just old school or you're just all about data. And you could talk about politics in the same way. Well, there's no doubt about it.”

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  2. “Then is because we were ahead of the curve with a lot of this stuff. Everybody was like poo-pooing it and kind of making fun of us while we had our shortstop on the other side of second base taking our motto was to catch line drives. I mean, I could go on and on about if I had my card in front of me specifically, I'd give you all this stuff, but all of this Intel was in the back pocket.”

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  3. “Describing you as a hitter, but you're on base percentage, velocity ball off the bat, your sensitivity to velocity, how good of a breaking ball hitter are you? Do you expand? Do you expand up? Do you expand down? Do you expand away versus that pitcher? All this stuff can be baked into one number. So these are the kind of things we started talking about so that when I get that card you see in my back pocket, a lot of this stuff that I just talked about is reduced into one number that is pertinent versus that picture that day or our hitter versus that pitcher that day. So all the folks, the old school folks that ran away from that right down to shifts. I mean, shifts were really frowned upon back then also. That's why the rate played. Exactly. That's why the rays were so good.”

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  4. “Yeah, gosh, I wish I could, off the top of my head, the thought would be, for example, just like when a pitcher's struggling or hitter's struggling, the pitcher struggling as an example, what are his first pitch strikes like? Has he been efficient with that? What does he do on the 1-1 count? Show me. Fastball usage overchange up usage. What is he doing? Show me. From a hitting perspective, expanding his strike zone, what counts, what kind of pitch, where is he expanding a strike zone? And all this information could really be a wonderful teaching tool more than just physical mechanics. Now, when it came to the game, What we did was we incorporated into one number all kinds of information into one number, like the batting average being inefficient regarding”

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  5. “And we mesh really well with all of that because I was thirsty for it because I had already had my, like I said, all this stuff I had been doing. I gave it to them. This is what I liked. This is what I liked during the course of the game. And a lot of the stuff they built there were off the thoughts that I had, plus the thoughts that they had, obviously. The beauty of that of the data was at that time, if you had a thought, you could present it to the data guys and they'd come back and they'd put it on a piece of paper for you that would be pertinent and made sense and was dug up”

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  6. “Yeah, this was like middle 95, 96. I organize a day, I did all the work for the day in spring training and every day during the season regarding the layout and then the first game of each series I did including like scanning documents, scanning stuff, popping popping them into one page and then trying to condense information to distribute it for the player. So that's where I learned my chops.”

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  7. “I began with data, and then I got into early 90s, into the big leagues, and then it became a thicker sheet of stats. And from that, I started to generate more stuff on my own. So the computer was primarily note-taking. Then it became a way to chart defense, which me and Bobby Knopp worked in unison getting that done. And then eventually became information numerically that I could post and give to the manager. Listen, man, he used to take me before every series, three game series on Up, so he starts on a Monday. I'd get into that building at noon. By five o'clock, maybe I'd have everything done to present to the players before that game because I presented everything. I presented this.”

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  8. “Exactly. This is all going to my laptop, my iPad But I would write down everything I talked to you about because I wouldn't see it maybe for a month or two. Then I would recapture my notes before we would work on her hitting again. So I would be right on top because I always thought language was really important. In other words, I wanted to say to you exactly what I'd said the last time if I thought it worked. I did not want to come back to you forgetting what I had said before. So I wanted the computer to become an avid notekeeper. I didn't really understand the concept of data and the pertinency at that point. I did a very rudimentary method. I used to take stat sheets. They're just like they are today. And I would look at them and right away as a hitting coach I'd go to your walks, your strikeouts, and you're on base percentage. I never looked at batting average back then even then. And I would talk to my guys about their walks versus their strikeouts, having their strike zone organized on base percentage. And that would tell me that you did have your strike zone organized if it was a good number. So that's all.”

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  9. “Well, I just, well, first of all, I did it from an organizational perspective. I was an Abbott note taker keeper. So anytime I worked with David Axelrod, I would write exactly what we spoke about on the date, where it was.”

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  10. “Matt Silverman, there was data oriented. Yeah, very, very aligned with them in regards to data, but then they did dig my old school, old world styles of teaching the game also. So it was a pretty good marriage.”

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  11. “Absolutely. And that was perfect because then I thought I'd have a better opportunity to incorporate or bring all the things that I had learned to like a clean slate. The Yankees have had a tradition. The Red Sox had a tradition. All these things came in with tradition and an established method of doing things the devil race had none of that. So I felt pretty good about my methods, the things that I've been taught as an angel. And so I thought to get an expansion kind of, even though they weren't literally expansion at the moment, they were the devil race were. And I thought that clean slate kept it wide open for me because there's a lot of things I like to do. I thought I was taught well. And I walked into that place and with the, you know, with Stu and Andrew.”

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  12. “The one I would have been upset about had I not was the devil raise. Because that was perfect, I thought. I've always wanted to be a part of a new franchise.”

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  13. “Billy and I were like such good friends. It was definitely the right thing for me to do to not hire me. And then in 2000 so interviews for the angel job and Bill Stonem as the GM. And Stony again was looking for more experience. Now Socha had not managed in the big leagues or even Kosha, I don't think, but had played there. And again, I still think he made the right decision, Stoney did, with Socho over me. And I could keep telling you on and on. I mean, I thought Dio did the right thing with Tito over me. And I withdrew from the Diamondback position I interviewed for the Diamondbacks, and I think I had a shot there, but there was family situations going on that I felt better with drawing from. And then Seattle, again, was Billy Bavacey again. And then he hired Hargrove. And a lot of that was the ownership wanting somebody with more experience. And so that might have been okay. But I think that the overarching philosophy from the ownership group kept me onto that.”

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  14. “Totally believe that. Never did not believe that it would happen. It was just a matter of the right time. You know, when it happened with the angels originally, Marcel left, I was interviewed by Billy Babasi when TC, Terry Collins, got the job. Terry had had experience in the Bigleys. I had not.”

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  15. “What really turns a player off what can motivate a player. So all this stuff, I think I am a good listener. And I think at that time, listening to players and coaches and other people that really did not like the leader at that time, I learned. I learned a lot from those moments. So I think I was very grateful that I was not a manager anymore, that I did this other stuff before I became a manager again and saw so many different methods that I think now I'm able to incorporate the best of all those guys.”

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  16. “Absolutely. You do. I mean, and we often talk about, and you've been in the same business or, you know, similar situations. Obviously you learn from the good ones. Obviously you do. But I think I've learned more from the bad ones. Things that I would never want to do. And that really was very impactful to me. What you see here now with the Cubs, what I did with the Rays, and whether it's a themed road trips or the fact that there's a real lack of rules within our clubhouse because I believe in the individual and freedoms and then you're going to get greater respect and discipline in return. That's all the residue of me watching micromanagers operate and the reaction by the players. Again, when you're a rover and you're behind the scenes, everybody really confides in you a lot conversationally. And that's what I'm there for, to be to listen. And so you hear things. And if you're a good listener, you're going to learn.”

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  17. “Appropriate, and you got to be careful with that. That's another story completely that when you start challenging somebody's effort. But anyway, I got away from that more conversational. And then if you really don't want to do this, let's sit down for a bit.”

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  18. “No, of course not. There's nothing, there's no real positive reinforcement to be gained from that. I'd much prefer conversation. Now, pulling somebody out of a game, I've done that. Now, I think that's much more pertinent. And Bob Clear, my mentor, used to argue with me, take their money, don't take them out of the game because it can lose a game. But I don't know. I think long haul by taking away from them what they want to do, meaning you can't play, you're going to sit today. I think that's more impactful to young Claire than trying to grab like 50 bucks, 100 bucks out of their pocket. Eventually, the thing I learned was like if a guy's really not putting the effort that I thought,”

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  19. “Again, something I would never do again. I will not find anybody in years except maybe a bottle of wine. I was with the devil raise, just trying to get points across their guys just making mental mistakes. We would go with a bottle of wine. But I've not actually taken anybody's money as a manager since that point. It was really a bad move.”

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  20. “Well, that same two years in Midland, Texas, the when they were playing in Arkansas, Little Rock, and I didn't like our effort. So I called Billy Bavacey after the game and I said, I want to find everybody a day's pay because they did not show up tonight, including that group that didn't even get in a game. So like other starting pitchers, bullpen guys, guys on the bench also got fined a day's pay. And Billy was okay. And Billy did it for me or for us. Wives, girlfriends, agents at that time, everybody absolutely hated me because a day's pay is pretty large to a AA baseball player.”

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  21. “Probably a year or so after that, because right after that I became a roving instructor. I was in charge of the minor league system on the field. I was a coordinator. And I was roving to each city and I was the hitting coach and coordinator and the catching coordinator. And I'm watching different guys operate, different managers, coaches, et cetera, and talking to players. Players from different levels like A-Ball all the way through AAA and even the big leagues, I got to go to the big leagues. So I learned that was an inappropriate way to deal with young men.”

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  22. “So I got angry. I got angry, which you should never do when things are going right. It's not about getting angry. How do we fix this? And so I messed up badly there. And eventually I was quite.”

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  23. “I did. What I learned is what not to do. I'll give you a great example. I was managing Midland, Texas eighty six, eighty seven, something like that, eighty five, eighty six, one of those two years. And I was upset with my team. I thought we weren't playing well. I got angry as opposed to really recognizing the situation and trying to fix it. I got angry, so I went out to a local newsstand and I bought a bunch of newspapers from different parts of the country, took out the classified ads of each paper like San Antonio, Texas, maybe Washington, D.C., maybe Seattle. And I put the classified ads all over the clubhouse. And even on the back of the bathroom stalls, and I told the guys above the urinals, listen, check out these classified ads because if you don't start playing like you should or can, these are your options. I thought it was motivational. It was like probably the worst thing anybody's ever done in their life.”

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  24. “Yeah, I mean, I never got drafted. I sign out of Boulder, Colorado in 1975, a part of the Boulder Collegiance. We won a national championship. Game over, I get signed by the California Angels. I go to camp. I actually had a couple of really good years in the minor leagues, but I was not considered that guy. And after three years, they released me. Of course, you always think that you're better than you actually are. But also, this is no lie. The second year I'm playing, I'm like 22. Lloyd Christopher, great scout. Lloyd comes up to me one day and Vicellia and asks me, when are you going to stop playing and start coaching? 22, 23, that blew me up. I was like really upset with Lloyd. Great scout. And then I'm out by the time I'm 25, 26, I managing rookie ball by the time I'm 27. I'm a scout. So apparently I was not good enough.”

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  25. “of the crack of the bat in September. I mean, if I had gone to a different college to play football and the baseball field wasn't right there in the fall, I might have played football for three or four years.”

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  26. “So I played my freshman year at Lafayette. We did really well. I did well. And I was supposed to be the starter on the varsity the next year in my sophomore year. And I went back there for fall practice in August. I had to run like 1040s and a six-minute mile. I was throw up sick after that because I had not worked out for it all summer. And then the next day, first day, I went out with my Volvo packed, went and saw Coach Sarah said, I don't want to play football anymore. And I had to go see Coach Neil Putnam, which is really difficult when you're like 19 or 20 years of age to say I'm retiring. And as I couldn't use the word quit. And so I did. I said, I'm retiring because I want to play baseball. And really the allure.”

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  27. “Yes, among my group I was In my immediate family, my dad, none of his brothers and sisters, my mom sister did and my aunt Ted had gone to, she was a nurse. But yeah, what had happened was I go to Lafayette on a football deal. Actually, it wasn't a scholar. It was a financial need. Financial aid had to be met. So I got a at that time was $16,000 for four years, was $4,000 annually. So I go there to play football. And our football fields are at Metzger Field, which is outside of town, which is right next to the baseball field. So I'm out there doing fall football, and I hear crack, crack, crack in September. Guys are playing baseball like two fields over, and it really, I'm like, that's all I can hear. You mean you can play baseball in September and October here? That really excited me.”

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  28. “And so I volunteered to catch because our catching wasn't good. So we're playing the Kansas City Royals Baseball Academy in Sarasota, a professional team. I had not caught sits. I was 12 in Little League. I volunteered the next day I'm catching against the Royals Academy in Sarasota, and that's how I became a catcher.”

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  29. “Good arm at a good arm. And so as in football, they wanted me to be a quarterback. I started out the first two games as a halfback for the state trooper Eagles. Our quarterback had a tough game. So all of a sudden I was at a quarterback by game three of my 10-year-old season. And I was a quarterback from that moment on. I was actually a shortstop and a pitcher. In high school and in Little League and all that kind of stuff I was pitching were playing in Florida actually Tampa and actually like half a mile from where I live right now. It's like really crazy. It happened halfway in Tampa.”

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  30. “They did. I was actually pretty good at Allsports as a kid. My best sport was football, no question. And if my dad were still alive, regardless of the Cubs winning the World Series or not last year. He's pissed, right? He'd first tell you about me not playing football anymore at Lafayette College. That's the first thing that would come out of his mouth.”

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  31. “That's what I've said. I mean, you go to Chicago and it is. It's a larger version of Hazelton. I felt very comfortable being there quickly just by the people that I met the conversations that I had. It was really familiar, the food, just everything about it was very, very, even the tradition of the cubs, the religious nature of sports, the conversations that are had. That stuff was really familiar to me, so I was comfortable.”

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  32. “Right, Beanie. Beanie's still around. Beanie's 84. Beanie's full-blooded Polish. My dad was full-blooded Italian. And about my mom lives on the same block that she grew up. I mean, her house where she grew up with my grandparents and her sisters and brothers is a block from where she lives on our apartment right now. She lives on the Polish border, St. Stanislaw's church is right up the street. My dad was our lady of grace, so everything was sectioned off, like you're saying, the whole city was ethnically sectioned for purposes of language and business, etc. So, yeah, my mom was on the line between Polak and Italian and my third base luncheonette where she retired last year. But the base was a half a block from her house and half a block from my house. It was like right in between. So Beanie pretty much has lived in this block for 84 years.”

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  33. “I was. Well, I wasn't. I was like, I was that kid that I try to cooperate and I would clean up blackboards. And I was one of those kids that passed out the chocolate milk at 10 o'clock. I'd go down and have to put it in little bins and you'd pass it out. So I was actually good with the nuns. But it was a great place to grow up. My point was to be like, you talk about accountability. I mean, not just to your family and your aunts and uncles, but gosh, if you're walking down the street and you're doing anything wrong, somebody knew your pop and you're going to get in trouble for that. So you're raised by everybody. And I've often said it was the best place in the world to grow up.”

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  34. “Yeah, Hazel down the road from Scranton. Right. Scranton Wilkes Barra. It's a coal mining town. Anthrocyte coals as opposed to bituminous. And it's northeastern Pennsylvania. Well, growing up there in that time, it was prolific. Coal was at its height at that point. Everybody was employed, I think, 35 to 40,000 folks in the city at that time. Really prosperous and fun. I mean, everybody was involved. I went to Prochios Gall stopped by the nuns. I had a really large family. I think my dad, 12 brothers and sisters, my mom, 10 or 11, I can't remember. But this large immediate family, even larger extended family, and then really influenced by nuns, teachers, mentors.”

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  35. “Oh, it's my dad. It's not my hat. I mean, the hat is, it is my dad. My dad was. It was always there for us the most simple man and real patient man, talented. I mean, he could have done anything. He was a plumber, but he could have been an electrician, a carpenter, an auto mechanic. You didn't have to pay for anything. I mean, my dad was able to fix anything back in the day. And he was, I guess he was the first kid on his block with a handy-andy tool set. That's what I've been told. He didn't even have a glove. I guess he had a handy-andy. He was fixing neighbors' stuff down on P Street in Hazleton back in the day. It's just who he was. And so, yeah, he's with me constantly.”

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  36. “That goes with me everywhere. I'm a backpack kind of a guy, so it makes it very easy to bring it around in that backpack.”

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  37. “I did me, but my mom still lives up there above the shop. So this hat was in the corner in that little corner, the dirty corner. Like it's a dirty... A dirty shop. It's plumbing. There's bins full of fittings, copper fittings, and machines to cut pipe, et cetera. And you have to sweep it up as often as you possibly can. There's a two-car garage right there. We played basketball. My dad and Michaels got back from work. So his hat's in that corner grabbed it. I wanted that hat. So it's been to two World Series now, three actually, but two as winners in 2002. It was in the dugout when the Angels won the World Series that popped it underneath my books in the corner. And then in this last year, 2016, when things were kind of tough, I went upstairs during that rain delay, propped it in the back of my pants underneath the belt and underneath my hoodie, tapping that thing the whole time during that last inning. Let's go, buddy, let's go. And then eventually put it on at the end of the game. So that hat is...”

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  38. “Well, that's my dad's cap. My dad was a plumber, and my dad always wear a hat, and so when I was with the angels, of course, he had all the different angel caps. During my time there, but this one in particular he had worn right up to the point where he passed away. So when he did die, I was back home, of course, and this was done in the shop. The shop would be the plumbing shop. He had this little group.”

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