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  1. But the two of them, they're really the only two in space. Yahoo's trying to get involved, but they're kind of a distant third right now. So those two have been going head to head. I kind of think they should just team up personally.

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  2. Yeah. And that's relatively new. And then this whole recent scandal erupted because an employee of one of the companies tweeted out some information that could be helpful when drafting your team. Oh. And so all of a sudden people said, well, what kind of access to the employees have? Because they're also participating. So all of a sudden they're winning money with information the rest of us don't have. It's like me debting my stuff. So now that's what kind of do you do.

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  3. They're not able to operate there either. So they're kind of getting pressure from a lot of different places. But I think that ultimately this is going to be this industry is not going to go away. The media loves it because more people are tuning in to watch the games. The NFL and sports teams love it because.

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  4. So they're seeing pressure from a number of sides right now. The New York Attorney General is looking into the business model. The FBI is looking into the business model. And regulators in Nevada actually just shut them down saying that they thought it was gambling, but it wasn't regulated. And in Nevada, everything has to be regulated.

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  5. Well, that's the argument. So, some people, the best argument I've heard about white skill is people associate it to buying stocks, right? I mean, if you're a sports fan, you do your research, you know which players are good, what the matchups are. In that sense, it sounds very much like skill, but I think that there's a lot of unknowns still around how much skill and is it too close to traditional sports betting. Sports betting like this is.

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  6. I can primarily it revolves around two companies FanDuel and DraftKings. Right. And so, fantasy sports have been around for a long time. But what these two companies do is they let people draft a fantasy team and play head-to-head against other people in one day leagues. Right. But the big kicker is that they're actually putting money in a pot and they're winning money. And so the companies are saying this is skill. These people are using skill to pick their teams and go head to head. Authorities are saying that this is gambling. And so they're running into a lot of issues right now because people are realizing they're making a lot of money, but they're not being regulated.

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  7. I mean, it's possible. I think that their feature sets in terms of the tech. A lot of the things we talk about these days are similar. They're going to have similar hardware and similar specs, and eventually they'll all offer 4K and that sort of thing. It's going to come down to the content partners and what they can offer you in terms of streaming. And whoever's doing a really, really good job with either partnerships with producers and making great content or they're already making their own great content.

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  8. Well, they all have parts of things. You know what I mean? That you like. Well, yeah, because they all don't have everything. Is any of them going to have all of them like the way a regular television is, has been.

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  9. Yes, and Rohu TV we have not reviewed yet either. I have used the new Amazon Fire TV. I have used the new Chromecasts. And I actually, I thought the Amazon TV was pretty good. I didn't think it was, if you have the first Amazon Fire TV, I didn't think this was a must-up grade now sort of thing, especially since so few people are still using 4K or not using Forecast. Can you compete?

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  10. Pretty much the same as some of the other ones in terms of the key marquee apps. They all offer things like Netflix and Sling TV and HBO Now and YouTube and Hulu and stuff like that. Know those content, those apps and the content providers, I think, want to be across, you know, multi-platform.

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  11. Well, the tech press notices because we're all rabbit and crazy. But there are about a half a dozen, maybe more devices right now that you can get in the running Android TV as the operating system. So you notice here, Google actually has... Two different approaches to this whole streaming video on your TV set. They've got the Chromecast where you're sitting there, you're using an app on your phone and you're just casting the content from your phone to your TV. And then they've got Android TV, which is that it is the whole interface to your TV. If you're using the Nexus player and you plug that into your TV, it's going to be a whole Android experience. But the apps, I mean, the apps that they're offering are...

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  12. But Android TV is what Google TV was a few years ago. Google has had its ups and downs in trying to create the interface for your TV. Yeah, it wasn't very, Google TV was not successful. Rebranded, relaunched it as Android TV. And so now they're about to know.

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  13. Yeah, and it's interesting too, because just a couple years ago, Roku and Apple were really neck and neck in terms of unit sales, at least domestically, and how many of these things they were selling. I think Roku's strategy has been over the past couple years, they want to become the operating system for TVs and for cable systems. So it's not this way in the United States because the cable companies still pretty much control the cable experience here, but in a couple other markets overseas, Roku actually is the cable box. And Roku now sells TVs, cheap TVs. I mean, TCL and Hisense and less expensive ones, where when you fire it up, the first thing you see is the Roku interface and they're controlling the whole experience of the TV. And so I think that's the direction that Roku's going in right now exploring at least.

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  14. It's very programmatic, and then they take you to apps. Whereas the Roku interface is all channel-based or apps-based. So you go, and it's just a bunch of, it's a lot of apps. And then from there, they sort of act as portals. The channels act as portals to your content. So it sort of depends on how you like to navigate all this stuff that's available for us to watch these days. So I think that In Roku doesn't make its own content. So it doesn't push it, whereas Amazon does.

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  15. For the $99 Roku 3. But if you don't care, then you can pay the Roku 2. Or you could, yeah, you can pay $100 and what is it, $130 and get the Roku 4 and upgrade to super fast processor in 4K and all that.

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  16. Go ahead. You're so polite. Brandon, it's just me trying not to crack up on Rico. Brandon, if you don't want to disturb the people around you and you like the idea of having a headphone jack and you're remote, then you might want to spring.

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  17. Which sounds you never use it But if you want to listen to things like your streaming music or your TV content and not disrupt the people around you, you can plug headphones into the remote and just sit there with remote on the couch or on your lap and not bother anybody while you're watching TV. Yeah, well, I don't really care. So I would say if Brandon

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  18. Oh, that's a good question. Yeah, so if he's. So, the Roku 2x, the refreshed one, was just refreshed earlier this year, and it's pretty darn good. It's pretty much, you know, identical to the other ones. And it's on par. So it's on par with the Roku 3 in terms of performance. The one thing that's missing, though, from the Roku 2 that the Roku 3 has is that the The Roku Remote actually has a headphone jack.

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  19. So basically, these devices act as well, they started out as interim devices. When people wanted to make their dumb TVs or non-internet connected TVs connect to the internet and play internet video, I don't know if you remember, it wasn't that long ago that people would actually take their laptops and use USB to HDMI or something like that. You did that. No one else did one, just so you know

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  20. Don't use them, you don't use flexibility. I try them all. I use Roku, I use Apple. I don't use the Chrome thing that sticks the side of my, I just don't understand how to access it on my giant television.

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  21. Well, I think that a couple of things is that this fragmentation of sort of multiple apps, you're seeing the big companies, the Googles, the Facebooks of the world, Twitter too, if you consider Vin and Periscope to be part of that family. Together that sort of the view of sort of apps as ecosystems, which then sort of winds right back up to how do you get to those individual apps, well, you probably get there through a notification.

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  22. Keep its head above water versus Google maps. So there's a series of insights that we've pulled from there. Facebook's dominance, right? Facebook's dominant.

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  23. They did not like it. It's very hard to get real data on this. And we learnt a lot in. It and we still have, you know, we still have users who still have the app, and we've done a web-based alternative to it, but it was certainly easier when it was actually on the phone. But the things that we learned were fascinating. I mean, it was just, it taught us just, I'll give you a few. Taught us just how. Are actually willing to switch out the default apps? So the presumption that because Apple has everything from a calendar. To the browser to the As default apps on their phone, people are very willing to switch Right, like last time we looked at, I looked at. Data, the mapping app that Apple's mapping app was still struggling.

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  24. So we started, you know, we started doing this as a survey, and then we actually released an app to do this online. Basis and then Apple took the app out of the app store about two months ago.

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  25. Last phone question. You guys do this really interesting home screen survey every year where you literally ask your early adopter people who know you and follow you to send them a screenshot of what's on their home screen.

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  26. Device. It's awesome as a way to be able to touch media when you're in transit and when you're doing something else, right? Because it's non-immersive, unlike video and text. You can be doing something else.

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  27. Yeah, I think it's look you go back to the Genesis all the way back to RSS and it's taken a while to get there. But I think that the idea of on-demand audio and on-demand and then also filtered by, go back to notifications is very much part of the partners Of how

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  28. Yeah, look, I mean, we're sitting here doing this podcast right now in the studio, and so I think that you could see that studio-produced broadcasts are significantly better than just doing it on your phone. Yes, you can do it on your phone, which is awesome, and gives a degree of... medium, but I do think that aggregators will have a role here. I also think the social platforms have a role here, right? Podcasts move around just like we talk about other content types, they move through the social platform, and then obviously Apple has a role here, right? Apple's podcasting app, which they have, you know, I would say underinvested in systematically, but just enough to investigate. I think is a hugely important thing. Piece of this puzzle just because it's the default app. People use when on the iOS platform.

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  29. And then I think that, I mean, you can't get away from those without talking about some of the content. And there's awesome content which has been produced. We have an investment in a company called Gimlet Media that does three podcasts, which are awesome. I'm also, I have the pleasure of serving on WMYC's board. WMYC is incredible set of podcasts, everything from Radio Lab to Free Comics to New Tech City, which is an awesome sort of more local podcast that they do. Content. So I think that Serial was a sort of serial, the pump was primed and serial helped sort of push it forward. But along with a lot of other great podcasts, I think now this is becoming a medium that is finally seen its day.

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  30. We haven't reached that yet. No, I think that there was a tipping point. I think that sometime about 18 months ago, we hit a technical tipping point. I think with iOS 8, you saw that battery power and battery consumption was good enough that they actually left Bluetooth on by default, right? Whereas I believe it was iOS 8 where that flipped over. And that was an important juncture because now Bluetooth is on your phone all the time. So actually pairing the devices and getting into the car because that drive time, that couple of hours a day that most Americans spend drive time. And that couple with the fact that the replacement cycle on cars is what, seven, eight years. So that's long. But cars today, a new car you get today, a rental car you get today, will be Bluetooth enabled. So I think that suddenly we've seen that tipping point.

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  31. That they want to interact. But the visual aspect of this, I think, is particularly interesting. Now, if you want to talk about podcasting, that's another area we're super interested in.

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  32. I think that's an ant again, not an all. I do think that one of the things I'm fascinated by is that I think that when Steve Jobs presented us with this device that we're both looking at, right, these iPhones, there really was a device for the future and the degree to which it is visually that communication has become visually rich and textually impaired because of the structure of this device, lack of a keyboard, the fact that it's got such high quality screen that's only getting better over time, the fact that it's got high quality camera, et cetera, et cetera, we're becoming a much richer visual society.

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  33. Media, right? And this idea of loop media, I think, is fascinating. No audio. Also, I think is a huge part of its popularity and its allure because it becomes a very, very short sort of way of me expressing a lot of content, actually, in a very sort of small slice of media. And you can watch it for a couple of seconds, or some of them are entrancing and you watch them for more than that. You can always click on them and never be nervous that if you're on a train or something, there's going to be like that, oh shit, I forgot to turn off the audio. And so there's kind of safe, they're highly portable, highly shareable, and they're safe for consumption on any of the platforms. So when you spread this...

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  34. But it's also if he is also embedded in social platform. So, you know, if you jump onto Facebook Messenger, we've done deals with a bunch of social platforms. And so, but go back to the media type is that what are we talking about? We're talking about short, about 15 frames. I think the average actually about 11 frames. A couple seconds, second or loop.

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  35. Gifts. It's absolutely gifts. So we built something in that space called GIFI, which has now become the launch of Search Engine. For gifts. It's also linked into many of the social platforms that we're talking about. And up there when I search for.

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  36. Well, I think, I mean, one area which I think I've become fascinated by in the last couple of years is just generally call it post-literate media. So I'm talking about GIFs or GIFs, depending on your favorite.

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  37. So you've got particular insight into the way people share and consume media because of a handful of the companies you've invested in bitly, which tracks links, Chartbeat, which tracks what publishers are seeing Instapaper which allows you to save stuff and so you can see what people are saving on their phones and then reading what are you watching from your perspective you've got a ton of data coming in what are you watching about the way that people consume and share media that would surprise someone who doesn't have access to your data

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  38. Right, and I think that they're doing a, you know, it's a founder-led company. It was done an incredible job of just beginning to build moats around the Big Blue app.

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  39. It's an ant. It's an. Well, between Snapchat and Facebook, I think that Facebook is really struggling to be relevant to an entire demographic, the Big Blue app. So I think, but Facebook Messenger is trying to round around that.

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  40. Look, I think that one of the things that's so fascinating about our world right now is that media and hypothesis thesis tend to articulate something and you just go in one direction. I think we're doing multiple. So I think that there are people who are craving that one-to-one interaction, which is more can actually to what email used to be. But at the same time, the publicness, you can't go to a 13-year-old who's rapidly showing on Snapchat and tell me that they are concerned about the public aspect of this because they will take an image that they've just seen on Snapchat that's hysterical and repost it on five public networks where it's also FM, whether it's Instagram or Twitter or Facebook. So they'll repost and recycle things publicly. But the primary interaction there is a private one, more one-to-one, more email-like structure to that graph.

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  41. Yeah, that's why I think it's worth betting on Jack coming back, right? Because I do think that that opportunity is there to sort of take this thing and 10x it on all of the major metrics. I think that the opportunity and the promise of Twitter hasn't been fulfilled. I think that when you think about it, you think about what Instagram has done on the visual side. It's an asymmetrical graph. It's fundamentally similar to Twitter. It's just a visual representation of that. Twitter should have had that, right? They wanted it. Wanted it, but there's a lot, lot more. It ain't over. There's a lot more they can do. And I think that kneecapping it, the opportunity and saying it's only two, 300 million, let's leave it at that. I think that would be a mistake.

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  42. I mean, that's kind of a layup question because since I was at the center of that ecosystem, I think it's, yeah, it's, yes, I do. Yeah. But I also think it's more than that. Look, I think that Twitter, I think Jack being back at Twitter is huge. I think that granted there's some complexity about him being CEO of two companies. But I think having the founder, who was right there, him and Ev were right there with the product at hand, that having one of those people at the helm is what's needed now because I think the organization, despite all the things that they've accomplished, because they have accomplished a lot, right? They grew it into a big company Adam Baines done an incredible job of monetizing it. It's a public company now. So it's gone through a lot of gates that most companies don't go to. Still, I think the promise of Twitter and what's being fulfilled is a fragment of what it could be.

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  43. There was an infamous quadrant that said developed for this quadrant only, and if you turns out they took that quadrant away too. There are some people who say, look, Twitter isn't where it should be. And one of the reasons is because they went and kneecapped this ecosystem of open source developers.

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  44. 2008, 2010, there was an active sort of community of people making apps for Twitter. And then in 2010 or thereabouts. It got, I... It got kneecapped. That sounds probably more accurate term. It wasn't wholly shut down, but it was a It was kind of just limited.

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  45. So we were, you know, we were in this sort of social discovery thesis generally. But that put us, like you said, early in Twitter. And we were early in Twitter. We thought Twitter was, I thought it was brilliant, and there was a ton of potential there. We also very early in the ecosystem, right? Which you know had a brief sort of sparkling career or moment from making apps for...

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  46. No, you know, I mean the thesis and the bet that we were actually making wasn't on Twitter, it was on social discovery we'd sort of reframe discovery on the internet, right? And so we believe that social would route around the search engine and I would become ultimately more interested in the links that you want to share or that a set of people I follow want to share instead of going to a search engine and passively typing for XYZ topic. And so that generated a huge amount of interest in Twitter because Twitter I think is still the canonical example of that. It's the best example of a raw feed news feed of what the world is thinking about and talking about right now. But we also were one of the first investors in Tumblr. We sold some companies to I think two companies to Facebook.

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  47. Let's move to more modern history. When you guys started beta works, I've started talking about the stuff you were investing in, and it seemed like you were very much betting on Twitter fortuitously. I think surmise was one of your companies that was a search engine that got sold to Twitter. I think you guys made a bunch of money from that. You were invested in Tweet Deck, which obviously became acquired by Twitter. It was an early sort of way to get around Twitter for power users bitly. The link shortening service was very much affiliated with Twitter. Did you think early on I'm actively going to make a bet on this service 2007, 2008? It was still a pretty niche service at the time.

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  48. I love it. It's just like it gets the exact placement of where I am and I just go from the book into the Audible stream. So, I think that that's pretty quiet.

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  49. So you know what I love is that right now I always read multiple books, but I just finished Andrew Roberts' biography of Napoleon. It's awesome. You know, it was the anniversary of Waterloo this summer. I didn't know much about Napoleon. I'm actually a Brit, but I'm also half French. And so I thought that short little Frenchman, I should know something more about him except what I was taught in English schools, which wasn't all pretty. What I love is that you can flip from reading the book to flip into using Audible to flip into the audio. Jonathan, I think.

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