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John King Jr.

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“That's exactly right. Really, the health and well-being of our democracy depends on getting education right. It depends on making sure that kids in the highest needs, rural community in West Virginia have access to opportunity and making sure that the kids”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, our mission is to advance education equity, opportunity for low-income students and students of color. And so we are constantly doing research to try to identify where there are opportunity gaps that get in the way. And then we're doing advocacy to try to address those gaps at the state level, at the federal level. We're doing work in P through 12 education and in higher education. But education is a civil rights issue, making sure that all young people across communities have access to the kinds of opportunities that will allow them to be successful. In the 21st century economy, that's a civil rights issue. That's the work we're engaged in. I'm so glad to be in the fight. I would not want to be on the sidelines.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My college course at University of Maryland, or the young people who are involved in activism around gun reform from the young people in Parkland to my own daughters who have gotten very active in their schools on the campaign against gun violence. That's a reason to be hopeful because there's optimism and urgency, appreciation of diversity that you see amongst young people that I think makes it so that we will get to a better place. We are certainly sliding backwards on some things like care a lot about, but we will get to a better place.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, it's probably a healthy mix of despair and hope at the moment. There's lots of reasons to just be horrified by what we're seeing from kids being ripped away from their parents to the retreat on affirmative action, to the dismantling of civil rights enforcement across federal agencies. Lots of reasons for despair. The things that give me hope One is every problem we have in our in public education is being solved somewhere. Somebody has figured out how to help students complete college who are first generation low income students. Somebody has figured out how to make pre-K really high quality. The challenge is scale, but the solutions are out there. That's one reason I'm hopeful. Another reason I'm hopeful is young people, whether it's young people that I'm teaching.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, it builds on the notion, though, that government can be a force for good in the world. And unfortunately, I think what you see from the current administration is a sort of anti-government. Disdain for the public sector that is very unhelpful and ultimately undermines the long term health of the country.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so the grands ended up having the impact of incentivizing a change in behavior even without folks necessarily getting a check. It was a very smart, very high leverage way to use federal dollars. And again, there was a lot of flexibility for how states would implement these big goals, but it was an important way for the federal government to signal the importance of higher expectations.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Grants, exactly. And what was fascinating about it was many more states changed their policies and laws than could ever be eligible for their grants. 44 states.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's right. So, the idea was that the federal government essentially award competitive grants to states to make some changes to think about how they might raise their standards, think about how they might improve teacher evaluation, professional development, and support, think about how they turn around low-performing schools, how they better use data to support their schools. And states were asked to compete for this pool of competitive funds. Essentially grants.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But then those same members of Congress who said those programs were too expensive, they voted for two plus trillion dollars in tax cuts. So there's a dissonance between what we need to do to position ourselves to be successful long term in a globally competitive environment and the choices we're making with our budgets.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, we just know from brain research that so much of a student's potential can be tapped early on in their education, something like an eight to one, nine to one return on every dollar invested in quality pre-K. We know that students who have quality pre-K do better in K through 12. They're more likely to graduate from high school, more likely to go on to college. They have better long-term employment outcomes, even better long-term health outcomes if they've gone to high quality pre-K. We propose universal pre-K. We proposed America's college promise, the idea that we would make two years of community college free for low and middle income Americans, and also invest in support so that folks would not just start but finish. And those two programs, folks would say, oh, those are too expensive.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think that the federal role ought to be at a minimum helping to set a high bar on aspirations, right? I think it's true the federal government can't prescribe how people get to those aspirations, but the federal government ought to set those aspirations. President Obama set the goal of us trying to get back to first in the world in college completion. I think that's exactly right. Federal government also has a role to play around resources. Title I, the main federal education spending program, is designed to get resources to the highest needs kids. That, I think, is an important federal role. The Pell Grant Program in higher ed is the way that we as a country invest in higher ed for low-income students. Investing in those programs is critically important. And I would build on that. As you know, we proposed in the administration”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, we have to make sure that everyone possible is getting some meaningful post-secondary learning experience. You really can't do very much in the 21st century economy that's going to provide a good wage with just a high school diploma. But the range of options we need to talk about much more thoughtfully as a country. And then we've got to grapple with the fact that still an undergrad degree, a bachelor's degree is the surest path to the middle class and that disproportionately is not happening for low-income students, African American students, and Latino students. And as I mentioned earlier, majority of kids in our public schools are kids of color. If we don't get much better, much faster at helping students of color and low-income students succeed, now just get to college, but succeed in college. We're not going to be able to compete.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's right. That's right. The measure has to be not just finishing high school, but actually earning a meaningful post-secondary credential. Now that might be an associate degree, might be a bachelor's degree, might be a career and technical certificate of some kind. This is important because we”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it's hugely important to our long-term economic well-being. The United States used to be first in the world in college completion. Folks having earned college degrees. Now we're something like 12th in the world. It's not necessarily because we've fallen back so much as other countries have caught up and surpassed us. But if we're not preparing the engineers of tomorrow and the scientists of tomorrow, we're not going to be able to compete. And we know we see this every day in our economy. Businesses can go anywhere in the world. And if they can't find the workforce they need here, they will move to other countries. So we've got work to do to make sure that we are getting students not just through high school. We made some progress, highest graduation rate we've ever had as a country at 84%.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's exactly right. Yes, we spend less as a country on the kids who actually need the most. It's exactly backwards. We should be spending more on the highest needs kids. And in fact, we've shown in the work we've done in education and trust that the gap is larger when you compare districts that serve largely white students to districts that serve largely students of color that we underevast again in our students of color particularly. We see that in Illinois.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I also think New York is a place where, as in many states, there's a real tension between the urgency to improve outcomes, particularly for low-income students and students of color, in a sense in suburban communities of just kind of leave us alone. Things are fine here. And two things are true. One is things aren't as fine as we'd like to think. We have a lot of work to do as a country to make sure that even our suburban schools are performing at a level that's competitive with our international competitors. And two, In order to improve outcomes for low-income students and students of color, we do need to have a national and state level conversation about equitable distribution of resources, and those are going to be hard conversations, but we need to have them.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I certainly did. New York politics liked Chicago politics are intense and tough. You know, I think for me, one of the hardest things was I came to the work with a teacher and principal mindset wanting to focus on instruction. And a lot of the politics of education are about adult fights, about adult issues, not about core instruction. And so that was an adjustment to make.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. Yeah. And I think then you had the teacher evaluation fight going on between the governor and the teachers union and then you had the standards being raised. And it was the combination of those forces at the same time was challenging. At the end of the day, I will say New York, like many states went through this period of a lot of contentiousness around evaluation and the standards. But on the whole, the vast majority of states are still making progress on those higher standards. And on the whole, the vast majority of states change teacher evaluation in ways that got principles into classrooms more and increased the amount of conversation about teaching and learning in schools. So that was net progress, but the politics were for sure challenging.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, but certainly challenging, you know, I think in some ways the country went through this period of debating around education policy, what is the right role of teacher evaluation? What should teacher evaluation look like? It corresponded with almost every state raising their standards for English and math. I think having both things happen at the same time, the standards increasing. And that's what happened in New York.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, I think part of what we need to see in the country is an evolution in how teachers' unions approach the work. And I think you're seeing some efforts around that. I think you're seeing teachers' unions create more flexible agreements, give more autonomy to principles as they manage their team, creating teacher leadership roles in schools so that strong teachers can mentor their peers, those kinds of things.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Quality of teaching going on. And I would say oftentimes when there's a teacher who is doing a terrible job, the colleagues are the first to know and the most eager for that person not to be with kids. And so knowing that we could make sure that the teachers in our school were all high quality, that mattered to teachers. flexibility around schedule that allowed us to have more time for teacher teams and for professional development, which sometimes is a challenge within the collective bargaining agreements that are agreed to in some districts. Teachers appreciated that. They wanted that. So I think ultimately for us it was about trying to create the environment that we would want to teach in an environment that valued teaching, that provided time for professional development that compensated people reasonably.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I think partly because the salary and benefits were commensurate, partly because There were flexibilities that teachers appreciated that are missing from some of the district agreements. Now that's not like what? Well, so for example, you go into any school, a teacher will tell you that there's a range of.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you know, I think of it as, one, it's really important that we have teachers' unions. They have a critical role to play. My mother was very active in the UFT when she was working in New York City. Uncommon at Roxbury Prep, the compensation and benefits and all of that. We tried as best we could to mirror what folks were getting from the district. Did teachers come to the...”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, I mean, there's still a range, but on the whole, they are dramatically outperforming the school districts that they serve. They're sending a lot of students on to college and they are succeeding there at a rate five, six times that of the neighboring districts. So very good outcomes. Still a range. Anytime you have that many schools, there's going to be a range of performance. But on the whole, very strong performance overall. And uncommon schools has this tradition. People were puzzling over how do we make this lesson on fractions really great and interesting? How do we make this lesson about the reconstruction period in American history as interesting and real for kids as possible? And that culture of attention to quality instruction was something I loved.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“As a social studies teacher, so I decided to go to law school, figured I would go to law school, finish my doctorate, and then go be an education lawyer. But very quickly, although I love law school, it's very interesting. I missed the connection with students and the community. And so by second year of law school, I was splitting my time. Basically, I'd go to class two days a week, and the rest of the week I would spend time building a network of schools in New York.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so you know, I wanted five years of being a principal, I wanted to think about how could we scale some of the things we were doing, particularly the outcomes, and what were some of the policy changes that might get us to a place where more low-income students and students of color would be successful. And I'd always been interested in kind of legal issues, the Constitution, that kind of thing.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, some adult Big Brother, Big Sister, somebody took that step. And when folks who support charters pretend like there's no selection bias, I think that's a mistake disingenuous. We have to acknowledge there is some of that now, what I would ideally want is a school system where all the schools are chosen, right? Where all the schools have the quality of learning experiences that would be great for kids so that we aren't apportioning Opportunity by luck, which is essentially what a lottery is.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that's fair. Look, we dramatically outperformed the district. Some of that was because of the strong systems we had in place and the great teaching. Some of it undoubtedly was selection bias, right? The idea that at least for every kid there was an adult who filled out the application. Now maybe it was a grandmother, a neighbor, but some presence.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And get the homework. And so I could always stand up in front of parents and say, Your kid's gonna have homework every night. They're going to say, like many middle school kids do, I forgot, I'm not sure, I don't know what the assignment is. Can I call my friend? Don't worry. Call the homework hotline. You will hear the homework read aloud. And that meant everyone understood. That was part of the routine.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Lots of kids who experience trauma in different forms, lots of kids who had complicated lives outside of school. And so the goal is really to make school a place that was stable and consistent and nurturing. But nurturing through structure. You know, you think about a sports team that's successful, right? Part of what makes a sports team successful is discipline, having a set of drills that you do reliably, learning a set of plays. And, you know, think about a school in the same way that you want school to be a place where kids know they're going to be taking care of that they're going to be safe and that there are routines that are going to support their learning. So for example, we had homework every night at the school. We also put the homework on the voicemail of the school every night so that kid could call.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Me too. But the idea was to focus the energy and conversation on class. And so we tried to make classes as engaging and hands-on and interesting and made the classroom and the extracurricular programs places that were joyful and academically rigorous at the same time. And the uniforms and the structured hallway transitions helped us kind of make sure that the energy of the school was focused on learning.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah. So definitely very structured. You know, the school served almost entirely low-income students of color became the highest performing urban middle school in the state. But it was very structured. Kids did talk at lunch, but we did have these very efficient hallway transitions, which definitely always struck visitors because they were surprised by the level of structure. And most”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, yes. So I was teaching in Boston. I was teaching high school social studies. And having a great experience, and I thought I was just kind of giving Evan advice about this new school, but it turned out he was actually recruiting me to start the school with him.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I taught back in the community where I'd done public service work as an undergrad in the Roxbury community, a high needs community of color in Boston. And I was teaching and then kind of through mutual friends met Evan Ruddle, who's actually from here in Chicago, and he and I started Roxbury Prep, a charter middle school in Boston.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And real struggles in the education system, particularly around resources, just not being able to afford to pay teachers while not being able to afford to create rich learning opportunities for kids. But then the hurricane has exacerbated all of that. And then you had the complete failure on the part of the federal government to respond appropriately. And so it's a real crisis. I mean, people are leaving and in droves. You know, I worry about the future for the island.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I loved the experience of teaching there. I taught in independent school there. But I missed the city. I missed doing social justice work. I mean, I was trying with the students I had in Puerto Rico to give them a sense of being reflective about some of the ways that class and race played out in Puerto Rico. But it was school serving largely.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah, I wanted to have the experience of living there and getting more of a sense of there? Yeah, extended family, distant family.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, part of why I applied to Harvard was African American male student from Harvard came to visit my high school and talked about the experience. And it was the first time I thought, oh, maybe that could be a place where I could go. That was hugely important for me. And if students don't see students of color on these campuses, you'll sort of be in a downward spiral. You'll get fewer applications. You'll get students internalizing that those opportunities aren't for them.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, a mix of housing patterns and school assignment patterns and school assignment policies and communities ought to be thinking about how to create more opportunities for kids to go to integrated schools. And I worry the revocation of guidance on those issues will also undermine Diversity work in K through. I”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That the administration is opposed to them thinking about how to create more diverse schools within school districts, even though 60 years after Brown versus Supportive Education, we have many communities around the country where schools are more segregated today than they were 10 or 20 years ago.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“At the end of the day, what we want is a diverse class, right? We want students, some students who are going to excel in music, some students who are going to be great athletes, some students who are going to be great in science, technology, engineering, and math. We want racial diversity. We want some students who grew up in rural communities, some in urban, because we want universities to be a place that exposes students to experiences different from their own. That's how I hope people will think of it. It's worth saying there's a real worry that this also has K-12 implications. Part of what revoking this guidance does is send a signal to school districts.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the end, if the Supreme Court ends up backing away from affirmative action, if we see individual universities concerned about this new position from the federal government changing their policies, we could end up with is even less access to opportunity for talented African American and Latino students. I think that will be a long-term disaster for the country. We ought to be doing everything we can to create diverse future leaders. We know the evidence is diverse campuses create more learning opportunities for students, companies that have diverse leadership get better economic returns. Diversity is good, but this administration is trying to frame diversity as something that's bad.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, look, I think from a political standpoint, this is a strategy to divide. And it's, again, consistent with the approach that the administration has taken on issues around immigration, issues around LGBTQ rights, this strategy of sort of feeding the president's base by dividing people and giving them reasons to be angry, to blame someone for economic challenges they may face or frustrations that they may have. I think it's very dangerous to the kind of health and well-being of our civic culture.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. And, you know, when you look at the numbers on how many students are admitted because they're legacies, their parents went to the school, how many students who are admitted to elite universities because of the development office says, hey, this kid has a parent who can make a big contribution. The effect of affirmative action is just vastly overstated by the opponent. The truth is we ought to be doing more. We ought to be working much harder to get diverse student population to our college campuses.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To African American Latino students. I also worry that we have now in our nation's public schools a majority of the kids are kids of color. The future of the country depends on having African American Latino low-income students who get great educational opportunities and are prepared to lead into the future. And this decision to withdraw the guidance undermines those efforts. Now, it doesn't change the law, and the law still allows colleges and universities to use race in a limited way and how they make admissions decisions. But taking away the guidance, I think sets up a series of what will be future lawsuits that will, I think, ultimately with a new.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think it's part of a pattern, unfortunately, that we've seen from the current administration of going backwards on civil rights issues, on education equity issues. So it's consistent with the approach that they've taken. It's dangerous because the truth is African-American and Latino students are significantly underrepresented, underrepresented on Ivy League campuses, underrepresented in research universities, underrepresented in flagship state public higher ed institutions dramatically underrepresented in many cases. So we ought to be having a national conversation about how we get more African American students, Latino students, low-income students, first-gen students to those campuses. And instead, they've taken us in this entirely different direction, feeding this mythology that somehow students are losing place.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, that's very possible. At the time I wrote it, I thought I might not get in anywhere. I mean, I really worried that getting kicked out meant people would just kind of give up on me. As we do as a country with so many young people.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I assume so. I mean, I had to write the supplemental essay they make you write if you've gotten kicked out of high school. So Harvard took lots of chances on me, right? It was really a second chance. saying even though you gotten kicked out of school, we see this academic. Well, and in fact, I think...”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. I mean, I love the diversity at Harvard, and now it's fair to say they have more work to do to make sure that they are serving diverse students. But I, you know, I appreciate that there were African American students, Latino students, Asian American students, there were kids from all over the world. And I felt particularly being in the city connected to the diversity of Boston and Cambridge.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, I was very drawn to the experience of trying to do for other kids what teachers had done for me. And so I started with volunteering teaching civics in a middle school in Boston, and that turned into really public service and youth development work being the core of my college experience. And that was very different. Andover felt very isolating. At Harvard, I felt like I was a part of this broader city community and really got engaged in Phillips Brooks house, which is the sort of center for public service at Harvard. And that really defined my undergraduate experience.”
2018-07-09 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 257 — John King Jr. · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source