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  1. “Oh, yeah, yeah. Never understood. This young man here had been a. Student at Tuskegee University in Tuskegee, Alabama has served in the Navy. And he went to use So called fight restroom and came out, he was shot.”

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  2. “Well, you know Thought he sort of stood out like he had been around. He saw him as one of the leaders. They're probably a little... When a beard and Different reason, but he Working with poor black folks, working in the subarranks movement.”

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  3. “I knew Make Asher Schrenner better than the other two young men. He was working in Mississippi with the Congress of Racial Equality before the summer project started in 1964.”

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  4. “When the Voting Rights Act was passed, they could get registered and vote for the first time, yes. And my mother became a crusader for everybody getting registered to vote. And she let us see me go to Congress”

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  5. “What had happened If some of them do not continue to ride, they were not able, there was one person from New York City by the name of James Peck. He was so severely beaten he was unable to continue to travel”

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  6. “Yeah, I think people who have studied the philosophy and the discipline of nonviolence studied the teaching of the great teacher, studied the teaching of Gandhi and Thoreau and others, came to that place.”

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  7. “You realize that other people have given everything they had. Is so special about you. You have a role to play and just play it. No one won't die. No one wants to. You want to live? As Dr. Kane was there, he said, the Kane would like to be around for a long time. There come a time when you have to. Stand up for something and speak up. And in the process, you may get hurt. You may lose”

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  8. “When Nazareth became the first major city in the south to desegregate most of its lunch counties and Because people had the capacity to just sit on those stools.”

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  9. “People had the ability to do it day in and day out to sit and take it and just look straight ahead. Someone would come up and spit on you pour hot water, hot coffee, hot jacket on you, pull you off the stool. Don't get arrested and taken to jail.”

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  10. “Yeah, it is sad. I feel like saying, you know, Your mothers and your fathers, your grandparents gave her very live, they gave their blood to bring us to where we are today and that you have a moral obligation to get up and go out there and vote him. Every election let the vote is precious. It is powerful. It is the most powerful nonviolent instrument or tool that we have in a democratic society. And we must use it”

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  11. “But it is my hope that young people yet to be born would understand That generation before the end gave everything they had. Make our country and make our world a better place for all humankind”

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  12. “Not in a very positive way. But I never got in a real disagreement with Dr. King. He was my friend. My leader. If it hadn't been for him, I don't know what would have happened to me.”

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  13. “His parole, and I didn't have a problem with that. You let people participate to the point that they feel free to participate. You don't try to force people to participate.”

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  14. “Dr. King thought from time to time that some of us wanted to do things that was not in keeping with his philosophy, his beliefs. He refused to go in the freedom ride because he had a case pending against them.”

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  15. “It was a great feeling. It was a great victory for the movement. And the movement need victories. Dr. King was set from time to time. Give us some victories. You keep people together. You keep building.”

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  16. “Well, we made a decision that we couldn't stop. We couldn't let the opposition have a victory. We were determined to see that the bus stations and buses and waiting rooms were desegregated all across the south.”

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  17. “My philosophy is very simple that if you believe in something, stand up for it, speak up and speak out. And you never give up. You get knocked down, but you don't give up. You keep Standing up Continue to believe that somehow in some way we will prevail, we will have a great victory. It's not just a victory for individuals, but it's a victory for all humanity. You have to believe that. And I truly believe that. I think that's what Dr. King and Gandhi and many others instill in all human. You know, I have not been back to Indiana. I've been to other parts since that evening, April 4. I have not been back to that spot. But I'm going back there next year. You'll be the 5th anniversary. I'm going back there and I'm going to Memphis the same day. You have to go back Have to go back and to remember what happened and how it happened.”

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  18. “I think something died. What did the movement died with Marlena King Jr.? You have not had a leader that preached the way of peace, the way of love, the doctrine of nonviolence, the way Dr. King was able to do and inspire people.”

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  19. “I truly believe the Assassin Bull. Did change, of course, of history. I think something died in all of us. Something died in America. It was more than the death of a political leader, but a certain spirit died. And those of us who lived through that period, it's very hard, very difficult to recover from what happened. We would have ended the war in Vietnam majorly, I think. I believe, I truly believe that Robert Kennedy would have been elected president of the United States of America. And the young people in this country, young people around the world, would be so different. It would be another unbelievable generation of young leaders emerging.”

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  20. “People these. Individuals, people that are mine and love. And I felt they would like the hope for the future of America, maybe the planet. And I think something died in all of us Baby Kid was shot. We had to stay in the hotel for a while. My hotel was a little distance away. I just wanted to leave, wanted to leave LA. I just wanted to get back to Georgia. And so the next morning I got on a flight to fly back to Atlanta. And as we crossed the hills and mountains, you can see the snow. I think I cried all.”

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  21. “He sought a joke with me, and he said, John, you let me down today. More Mexican-American turn out to vote than Negroes. And he said, I'm going down to speak, and you wait here. And I waited in his suite with his sister, Jean Kennedy Smith, and Shai Newfield of the Village Boys. And Teddy White's and several other Charles Everets, Mega Evers' brother.”

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  22. “Where we teamed up from time to time and went into some of the wealthy white neighborhoods in Los Angeles, trying to convince people to vote for Bobby rather than for Humphrey or McCarthy. Somehow you knew that he was going to carry the state of California, and he did.”

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  23. “He cried. We went back to his hotel room and we met and we talked. And I remember when he came to Atlanta for the funeral that it was my responsibility the night before to escort him and other members of the candidate family through the Ebenezer Baptist Church to view Dr. King's body. And Bobby Kennedy. The day of the funeral was one of the few white politicians that walked all the way through the streets of Atlanta from that church to the Morehouse College campus with hundreds and thousands of people without anyone just saying a word, just silent”

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  24. “It made me very sad and I cried. But a lot of us in that audience, black and white, we cried. And it was Bobby Kennedy who suggested that I, along with one of his staffers, return to Atlanta to help in the preparation for the funeral. He cried.”

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  25. “Well, I just felt that he had a An obligation, not just an obligation, but it was the right thing for him to do, to come and identify with the people. I had heard that Dr. King had been shot, but I didn't know that he had died. And it was Robert Kennedy. Made an announcement.”

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  26. “Well, I think it changed him. Made him a different person and drove him to say to himself, I'm going to use my time. Make things better”

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  27. “I think we all saw something in here that was real, that he had the ability, the capacity to identify with people whether they were black or white, Latino, Asian American, Native American. It was his whole being that he cared”

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  28. “Well, I really admired him. I remind the energy and the sense of hope that we can do it. We could remake America. He inspired me.”

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  29. “Well, I never. Arrest or that period, the beatings, I never, ever gave up on the idea of being committed to the philosophy and the discipline of non-violence. You have to accept it as a way of life, as a way of living. If you're going to create the beloved community, if we're going to accept what A. Philore Randolph stated over and over again, maybe our four mothers and our forefathers all came to this land in different ships, but we all are in the same boat now. And Dr. King put it another way. We got to learn to live together as brothers and sisters. If not, we're going to perish as fools.”

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  30. “Well, I felt for many years, and I still feel now that Is what happened? The blood on our hands To see these young people who lost their lives, and there's so many other people. Older people Gave everything they had. But I think all of the young people understood the risk.”

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  31. “That was an unbelievable dark moment in the history of the struggle for civil rights. We want it, we want it somehow in some way for the nation to see Mississippi, to see the South. So by bringing these young people. Mississippi to the heart of the deep south will help educate and sensitize people. I think it had a turning point, helped move the movement many steps forward.”

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  32. “And really, I never really thought about it that you can preach the chickens at one period in your life and just a few years later you preach into more than 250,000 people and to a whole nation. I never really thought about it, but it's something to think about.”

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  33. “Not at all, not at all. Well, he thought it would be. Unbelievable Violence and disorder, and he said, We would never get a civil rights bill through the Congress if we had a lot of violence. And they were prepared to call out whatever it took.”

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  34. “Well, I think we were a little ahead of our time, really. But we were then in some of the frustration and a sense of discontent on the part of so many people to see so many people arrested and jailed and beaten and seemed like Washington were looking the other way. But on the day of the March, on the day of the March, when the march was all over, President Kennedy invited us down to the White House and he stood in the door of the Oval Office, beaming like a pride father. And he kept saying, you did a good job, you did a good job. And when he got to Dr. Morduther King Jr., he said, you did a good job and you had a dream.”

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  35. “Well, I didn't like the idea of speech that we had prepared. Be forced to change that speech or encourage this change of speech. And I remember A. Fila Randolph, the dean of leadership, saying, John, we come this far, can we stay together or can you change this, change that? And I remember Dr. King saying to me on one occasion, John, that doesn't sound like you. And I couldn't say no to A. Philorendol. I couldn't send no to Dr. Mornuther Kane Jr. And we made the changes.”

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  36. “Well, on one occasion, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, who I might a great deal, said in effect, he said, John, I not understand that young people have taught me.”

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  37. “I believe President Kennedy and Robert Kennedy and people within administration chain that was individuals there. There was one guy, one man I would never forget, he had been in Eisenhower's administration. His name was John Dore. He was a Republican for Wisconsin. He was tall, but he was committed and dedicated that he, even when we were beaten in Montgomery, he wanted to interview us and told us not to talk to the local authority, to the FBI, and to the lawyer from the Department of Justice. He was there every inch of the way. And he had changed and moved President Kennedy and Robert Kennedy and Burt Marshall along the way.”

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  38. “In a movement, you have to be hopeful. You have to be optimistic that it's all going to work out. It's going to be okay. But the Freedom Ride... Just drew people from all across America in support of this effort. And President Kennedy and his brother, the Attorney General, intervened and got the Interstate Commerce Commission to issue an order.”

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  39. “While we were taking her showers, they had guns drawn. And if you had a beard, a mustache and a facial hair, you had to cut it off. And in an hour or so, they brought us up. Undershirt, a t shirt, I guess you'll call it, and Pair of Mississippi State Penitentiary shorts. We all stayed in 40 and 44 days to get out to appeal our cases.”

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  40. “In Jackson, riders start coming from all across America. More than 400 people over a period of two or three months. You get to Jackson, you get arrested. We field the city jail, people continue to come, we feel the county jail. Then one day they made a decision to take us to the state penitentiary at Pargement. Plodgeman at that time was one of the worst prison in America And I would never forget it. It segregated us. White men for black men, the white women from the black women. But when they decided to take us to parchment, they put us all together. When we got to parchment, Segregated us again. They said Dam songs, Freedom Songs now. We have niggas here. They will eat you. They will beat you. They led us into a hallway. And they had guns and Judah guns on us. In order us to take off all of our clothing. They led us into take a shower”

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  41. “It was an attempt to burn the bus. The bus was burned between Atlanta and Bremham with Freedom Riders on it. That was a greyhound bus. And then the trailway bus, people were beaten and left bloody in Birmingham. I was supposed to meet the riders in Montgomery. They never made it to Montgomery. So I went back to Nashville and with others restored organizing. Effort to continue the ride, so I dropped the whole idea of going to Africa or to India and said I got to stay here and finish this job.”

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  42. “We would go to the waiting room or go to the restroom, go to the lunch counter, or go to the cafeteria, and people would, from time to time, attack you, beat you. We were left lying in a pool of blood. The local police officials came up. They wanted to know whether we wanted to press Georges. We said no. We believe in peace. We believe in a way of love. Many years later, David, many years later, Be Few days after President Obama was inaugurated, one of the guys that beat us. Came to my office in Washington. He was in the 70s with a son in his forties. Said Mr. Lewis, I've been a member of the Klan. Your seat Want to apologize Will you forgive me? His son started crying. He started crying. I said, I forgive you. I accept apology. They hugged me. I hugged him back. I saw this gentleman four other times.”

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  43. “When we arrive in a little town called Rockhill, South Carolina. About 30 or 35 miles from Charlotte, North Carolina. My seatmate was a young white gentleman. Two of us try to enter a so-called We were attacked by members of the clan.”

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  44. “Way of peace, the way of love, the philosophy of nonviolence. I thought that we could die. There was a possibility that we wouldn't return. But somebody, some group, To be willing. Give it all”

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  45. “The young people Became my family, a wonderful family, to see people come together the same year that President Obama was born in 1961. Black people and white people can be seated together on a Greyhound bus, leaving the nation's capital to travel through Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi. We've on our way to New Orleans to test a decision of the United States Supreme Court.”

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  46. “Just being arrested and taken off to jail. Committed in a crime, a violated customs and traditions. AFEL liberated. I felt free.”

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  47. “We did. I tell you, David. I wanted to look for people back then called clean. I wanted to look fresh of what people call sharp. Had very little money. So I went to use men's store in downtown Nashville and I bought a suit, a vest came with them. So I paid $5 for this suit. First arrest on February the 27th, nineteen sixty eighty nine student black and white went to jail, became the first mass arrest in the city in Bluffman.”

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  48. “Just sit in there blank and white collar students in some high school students sitting there in an orderly, peaceful, nonviolent fashion waiting to be served. Someone would come up and spit on us, pour hot water, hot coffee, pull us off the stews, and we were told over and over again. You know, if you continue to sit in, you're going to get arrested. You're going to go to jail the next time.”

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  49. “And I got involved, started studying the philosophy and the discipline of nonviolent, studying the way of peace, the way of love, and then we started these test sit-ins in the fall of 1959.”

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  50. “I felt strongly that somebody had to do something. I had been also inspired by the young people in Little Rock, the Little Rock Nine. And it just said to me, if people in Little Rock, Arkansas can stand up, then I can do something. If people in Montgomery, Montgomery is only 50 miles from where I grew up. I was deeply influenced by that. So I went back to Nashville.”

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