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  1. For example, she came to Arizona twice and didn't go to Michigan. Right. Now, if she had won, who cares? Right, exactly. But because she lost, then.

    2017-04-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 135 - Sen. John McCain · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. I don't know, you know, that I think that the WikiLeaks thing was most unusual thing I've observed, as you know. But I also, David, whenever you lose, I know this very, very well. You find out all the mistakes you made. When you win, you didn't make any mistakes.

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  3. Yes, very well. Very well. We travel together. We went to Svalbard together. We did a lot of stuff together. I really enjoyed her company.

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  4. One of the great things about the armed services committee, as you know, is we got this tradition that was established a long time ago. And we stick to it. Small item of trivia. Jack Reed, West Point graduate, a Naval Company. First time they ever had the chairman and ranking member as service academy graduates.

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  5. Speaking of Sam Nunn, I saw him the other day at the introduction of Madis, I've forgotten. He was there at the introduction of.

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  6. He and Cohen were believed on the Armed Services Committee to be the real intellects. And they hung around a lot together

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  7. And I'd read and read my eyes would hurt and I'd fall asleep and I'd wake up and read and read. And then the Navy was kind enough to send me to the National War College, which was really a great year so I could really catch up.

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  8. Yeah, they had the last year and a half about they changed the treatment dramatically and would put us in big rooms and with a lot of other people and improved the food and all that. We never quite understood that.

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  9. He's one of the tragic figures in American history, as you know. Anyway, and that was the day we left also, I couldn't see that I was.

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  10. You know, you're kind of in shock, but I remember them pulling me out. I remember the folks not being very happy. We just finished bombing the place. And of course, everybody dislikes Richard Nixon, but I like Richard Nixon because he bombed Hanoi in order to get PO.

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  11. This arm and both arms. And then when they hit me with a rifle butt once they pulled me out, you can imagine they weren't happy that broke my shoulder. And also I broke my knee in.

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  12. And I knew why they were going to release me. Now, I've got to show you one more picture here real quick. About four years ago, the Vietnamese Defense Minister came into my office and gave me this copy that this picture that I didn't know existed. That's me being pulled from that crack, being pulled from that lake where you saw the statue next to fascinating. And I did not know that it existed.

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  13. The reason why. So we put in a bill declassifying any document, no matter how highly classified, if it had anything to do with POWMIAs, okay? So this is from Avell Harriman, okay, and it's secret, okay? And it's from Paris, okay? And it says here at the tea break, Le Ducto, you remember he was in the negotiation, mentioned the DRV had intended to release Admiral McCain's son as one of the three pilots freed recently, but he had refused. That was the first, you know, I told him I had refused, but that was the first corroboration of...

    2017-04-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 135 - Sen. John McCain · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  14. You do that was healing, healing, healing. People forget the treatment that Vietnam veterans got when they came home are still a national disgrace. And I thought that it would heal the wounds if we had normal relations. I can't tell you the number of Vietnam veterans that I know that said, I went back to South Vietnam where I was, I went back to Cameron. It was really healing. This statue is next to the lake that I parse it into, okay? Now this telegram real quick, when there was, you remember about 10, 15 years ago, there was this conspiracy thing we'd left POWs behind and there was cover-ups and all this. It was a scam making money. So the appointed select committee, me and John Kerry. And one of the allegations of these people who are making the money was that if we declassified documents, that would reveal the plot.

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  15. Yes, indeed. Now, this is this lake in Hanoi that I parachuted into. This is the only statue I've got, okay? It says USAF, which is an insult because I was in the Navy. In Vietnamese, it says on 26 October 1967, the people shot down and captured the famous air pirate. It says air pirate, Major John McCain. So this one is interesting.

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  16. That's my grandfather. This is my father who is Commander Chief of the Pacific, and every Christmas when I was in prison, he

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  17. And I'm looking forward to that day. Thanks This is, excuse the debris, but this is the peace signing on the Missouri when my grandfather, with his head down, you can do the guy in the front row, kind of with his head.

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  18. Could I just say in return, you've continued in many ways to serve, and the institute that you have fostered, I guarantee you, will pay a lot of dividends in the future because I had the opportunity of meeting a group of those young people and they're very talented.

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  19. One, I don't know what I will do, but two, David, in all honesty, I don't want to go out. On the downside. I want to go out on the upside. I've seen some people here who stay too long and you have to.

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  20. I know. He didn't know what to do. That was part of it. And also the strain. One of the things that he was also one of the sentimental people when his pilots didn't come back, he was commander of all the carriers. When his pilots didn't come back, it was pretty emotional for him too. He was a pretty big strain on those leaders, you know, because it was a 24-7 filled with tension, combat experience.

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  21. I see a new generation of both members on both sides that I see great talent there. I really do. I see some, especially them favorably inclined towards those who are veterans, who have been to Iraq and Afghanistan, both men and women. Joni Ernst from Iowa, he spent time in Iraq. I see talent coming up. I have great faith in our system of government over time. There's been strains before.

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  22. Yes, I do. I do. And I miss Bob Dole, who one time when we were doing the Kosovo resolution was given the final speech and he said, and I've been supporting this by Senator McCain, who for five years I wore a bracelet with his name on it. He had never told me. I said, Bob, afterwards, I was watching him on the floor. I said, Bob, why didn't you tell me you wore a bracelet with my name on? He said, Ma, it didn't matter that much. It was a classic Bob Dole. I love Bob Dole. I loved Howard Baker. I've had the great honor of seeing some real giants on both sides. That are really one of the great opportunities that I've had is meeting significantly great leaders on both sides of the aisle.

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  23. Toward the end of his life. I'd bring the clips and read them to him. You know, he just was so lovely and so good to me and he was kind of in many ways a role model to me because of his unfailing good humor and pleasantry, but he was very effective too, by the way, as chairman of the Interior Committee in the House. He was a very effective member of Congress.

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  24. And that was after he was defeated when he was running for a leadership position in the House of Representatives, and they had this young Turks that were all killed by the old bulls. He also said by the way, when he came out just before that, he said, I'd like to thank the 120 guys that committed to me in the 60 that voted for me. He was a very funny man and a lovely man, and he took me to raise. We traveled together. We spent time together. He was just... He was everything that I wanted to be, and frankly, I've not been lived up to his standard because he was good and kind and generous to everyone.

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  25. I feel that his advisors can. I know that he has great respect for those that he appointed as his national security team, so I do believe he listens to them.

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  26. Do because again the people around him and I have had long relationships with I work closely with General Mattis, the Secretary of Defense General McMaster, the National Security Advisor. I've worked very closely with them and I will continue to do that. And he was elected president of the United States. It's my job to do what I can to get along with the president, but at the same time I cannot betray my principles and my values and the things that I believe in. So it is a careful line to walk, but I am more worried about this country than I've been in my entire lifetime. We are seeing strains on the world order. We are seeing China. We're seeing six million refugees, 400,000 killed. The list goes on and on, you know, of the world, a world incredible turmoil. It's my job to do what I do.

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  27. Without a legitimate respected media in this country, then you have destroyed the real important part. It's not an accident that it's part of our Bill of Rights because you have to have a media to watch what governments do. And you can appoint all the judges and all that, but it's the media that informs the American people. And now with this false media and I'm really very concerned about Americans receiving legitimate unbiased objective views on the issues.

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  28. I believe in them. You know, I was on. With Chuck Todd the other morning one Sunday morning, and we were talking about this. And I said, look, I hate you. I hate to meet the press. But the fact is...

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  29. I don't think I would. I think I would certainly review it to see if there's excessive areas and all that, but I would not announce a pullout. I don't think there's any doubt that a climate change is taking place.

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  30. Harmful. And could I just point out in my own state some of the regulations were just foolishness. They had a waters of the U.S. regulation for Arizona. In Arizona, we have so little water the trees chase the dogs. But they put in a waters of the U.S. regulation, which affected a farmer who had a mud pot in his yard.

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  31. Thought that the measures that were enacted, first of all, by regulation is wrong. The president decided, at least in the last couple years, if not more, to rule by edict. He said, I've got a pen and I've got a phone. And that was really telling. And a flood of regulations came out, rolling back some of those regulations has had a positive effect on the stock market. But on the issue of climate change, I think it's happening. And I've been to Svalbard, which is up in the Arctic Circle and seen the melting of the ice up there. But I also think that we should use nuclear power a lot more. And some of my environmental friends are absolutely opposed to that. Again, it's this polarization that has been so harmful.

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  32. You've been to Silicon Valley, you'll see that a significant number of those who are on the cutting edge of the world's technology were not born in the United States of America. I mean, it's just a fact. There's thousands of Chinese students who are studying here in the best schools in America. Why not give them an opportunity to remain here if they have an engineering degree? That's at that end. At the other end is that there is farm labor that American citizens will not do. And we need guest workers. And we could work out a program where people can come and work in the kind of farm labor that is so difficult and return to Mexico or wherever it is returned to Mexico after they finish that work. We need to do that.

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  33. Think sooner or later we're going to have to address it, and I don't know what this president is going to do, and I don't know what his priorities are. But if he said we have to, quote, build a wall, which I take in the most figurative sense, not literally, build a wall, but at the same time do immigration reform e-verify where you have to have documentation that proves you're in the country legally, where we enforce the border, where we let STEM students, science technology engineering, mathematics students stay in this country where you provide people long, hard path to citizenship. Those kinds of things could all be put together in a package, and I would hope the president would consider it.

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  34. I just thought that they needed to be addressed and that they were very important. That's why Ted Kennedy and I sat down together with six others to try to with others to try to do immigration reform. And then there was the gang of eight where I tried to do it again. I believe that we have to have true and legitimate immigration reform because they're never going to have 11 million people who are in this country illegally without some hard, tough path to citizenship. But we also have to have borders that can be enforced and are enforced. Right now there's a flood of manufactured Mexican heroin that's coming into the United States of America that's killing a whole lot of people.

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  35. Yes, and that was an act of Congress rather than the President of the United States. But withdraw from Iraq, withdraw from Afghanistan, rules of engagement, there's many other things that were done by the 30-something things in the National Security Council that I find just unacceptable.

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  36. What I try to tell them, and I've been to two conferences in the last few weeks, one in Munich and one in Brussels, is that I have the greatest respect for the team on national security that the president has assembled. Well, then I also do say, but I'm not sure who the president listens to. But the president has committed to rebuilding the military. And frankly, the last eight years have been an unmitigated disaster as far as national security is concerned. Look at the world.

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  37. I don't know because I know that the president has great respect for these former military people that he has given the most important national security posts. But on the other hand, I also know that everybody tells me that Mr. Bannon has his ear constantly. There is a contradiction within this administration. I know that both General Mattis and General McMaster have a worldview of the role of the United States that is very different from what's been articulated by Mr. Bannon.

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  38. Led him to the Chairman Nunes Would, and especially without involving the other party. One of the reasons why on the Armed Services Committee we produce a bill that signed by the President of the United States every year is because we work in a bipartisan fashion. It's always overwhelming majorities that we pass the legislation out of committee. You've got to work together. And I'm happy to say that from what I can tell, Senator Burr and Senator Warner are working together in the Senate Intelligence Committee.

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  39. Well, I think it's pretty obvious that the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee has to describe what happened and why and who

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  40. I think you would have to gauge exactly the circumstances. You know, there's one thing you have a conversation. It's another thing to plot together, but I think it would be something that that individual would have to be held accountable.

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  41. And France, they're playing right now heavily, and they're also going to play in Germany. They tried to overthrow the government of this beautiful little country called Montenegro in a coup. And the pressures are putting on the Baltic countries are intense.

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  42. Because if you destroy democracy, the fundamental of democracy, there's certain fundamentals, rule of law, respect, etc. But one of them is freedom to elect legitimately the leadership. That's the fundamental principle. And if you destroy that, then you have really destroyed democracy. So it's one thing to destroy a building with a bomb or inflict damage, but if you destroy the fundamental of a free and open society, which is what democracy is all about, you inflict incredibly heavier damage.

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  43. No, I don't, and I think it's pretty clear that there's a difference between, well, aren't we killers and the guy that stood there and said, Mr. Gorbachev, take down this wall. He spoke out for the captive nations. He spoke out for the people that were behind the Iron Curtain. And after the Iron Curtain fell, there were thousands who said, I heard Ronald Reagan. I listened to the voice of America. I listened to Radio Free Europe. He gave us hope. That's a pretty big difference.

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  44. One guy was thrown out of a fourth-story window. So to state that there's some moral equivalency between an imperfect nation, that's the United States of America, and Vladimir Putin is appalling.

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  45. What O'Reilly said it stands out in my memory said he is a killer and the president said, well aren't we killers too? That was so appalling to me to have a moral equivalency between this fellow who is, I don't know how many deaths he's responsible for, for example, in Chechnya, where he put down any opposition with great killing.

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  46. Fors Numsov was in the Yeltsin presidency. He was a prime minister. He was one of the key individuals. And then, of course, when Putin took over, he was basically the leader of the opposition. And he continued to work in Russia and in the opposition. And he was working on an expose of the corruption in the Putin regime. And he was in my office and I met him on several occasions and I said to him, I said, Boris, I don't think you should go back twice, I told him. I don't think you should go back. He said, I have to go back to my country. It was like a month later that he was murdered in the shadow of the Kremlin. He was a lovely man, and he knew that he was going right into the teeth of danger. And since then, of course, the killings go on by Vladimir Putin with very little response.

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  47. Huge concern. I think it's one of the major challenges, it's disinformation, this Some story is somewhere and then gets into the legitimate media stories that are just, well, look at some of the stories. There was a 60 minutes piece just Sunday night. One of them was about a guy who just put out all this stuff. Hillary Clinton is dying of just trash. And all of a sudden it gets picked up to the point where a guy believes that there's human trafficking going on.

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  48. You know, it's a careful balance, but we are the exceptional nation. We are the shining city on a hill. I do travel a great deal, and still the admiration for America, and they want to be like us. They want one of the fundamentals of the United States of America is our belief in human rights. That's why we were founded, to people trying their own future. And sometimes maybe I am too committed to it. Maybe I get too emotional. But when I'm in Mariopol with the president of Ukraine and a woman is there, and he pins a medal on her, her son had just been killed the day before by a Russian sniper, and tears flow down her face. I'm guilty. Guilty. I get emotional and I don't like your person.

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  49. I really believe that it means that America has to lead. David, I'd really believe that more than anything, the 20th century was the American century. The early part of it, the two most horrendous wars in history when you look at encompassing wars took place. And then America came along and led in a new world order, which is now being under enormous strain.

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  50. Done the right thing. But when I forgot that lesson, I've always paid a price for it. But I've tried to remember that. And I feel that I'm the most fortunate person you will ever know when you think of the planes I crashed, when you think of the fire on board a Forestall one day when my airplane was hit by a missile, 134 brave young sailors died that sunny afternoon in the Tonkin Gulf. And then the ship shoot down and all that. I mean, I've been so fortunate.

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