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  1. “Task then is to try and make our society maximally resilient and robust to such destabilizing events. The way to do that, I think, is to properly identify the threat, the enemy. It's not the left or the right that are the enemy. Extreme division itself is the enemy. Some division is productive. It's how we develop good ideas and policies, but too much leads to the spread of resentment and hate that can boil over into destruction on a global scale. So we must absolutely avoid the slide into extreme division. There are many ways to do this and perhaps it's a discussion for another time, but at the very basic level, let's continuously try to turn down the temperature of the partisan bickering and more often celebrate. Now let me also comment. Conspiracy theories.”

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  2. “If one of the bullets on July 13th had a slightly different trajectory, where Donald Trump would end up dying in that small town in Pennsylvania, history would write a new dramatic chapter. The contents of which all the so called experts in pundits would not be able to predict. It very well could have led to a civil war, because the true depth of the division in the country is unknown. We only see the surface turmoil on social media and so on, and in his events like the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, where we, as a human species, get to find out what the truth is of where people really stand.”

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  3. “Perhaps you do it because it's easier to hate than to understand. In this case, it shouldn't matter, but let me say once again that I am not right wing nor left wing, I'm not partisan. I make up my mind one issue at a time, and I try to approach everyone and every idea with empathy and with an open mind. Have and will continue to have many long form conversations with people both on the left and the right. Now unto the much more important point The attempted assassination of Donald Trump should serve as a reminder that history can turn on a single moment. War I started with the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, and just like that, one moment in history, on june eighteenth, nineteen fourteen, led to the death of twenty million people, half of whom were civilians.”

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  4. “Thanks Thanks for listening to this conversation with Jordan Jonas. To support this podcast, please check out our sponsors in the description Now let me try a new thing where I try to articulate some things I've been thinking about, whether prompted by one of your questions or just in general. You'd like to submit a question. Including an audio and video form, go to lexfreeman dot com slash AMA. Allow me to comment on the attempted assassination of Donald Trump on july thirteenth. As I've posted online, wishing Donald Trump good health after an assassination attempt is not a partisan statement. It's a human statement. And I'm sorry if some of you want to categorize me and other people into blue and red bins.”

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  5. “Yeah, exactly. Stay awake. See what we've done. Be thankful for it. But then improve it. And then, you know, of course, I appreciated your little post the other week when you said you wanted some kids. You know, that's a very direct way to relate to the future and to have hope for the future.”

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  6. “I'll like argue with my brother about that sometimes he takes the more positive view and I'm like, I mean, it's great. We've done great, but man, more and more people with nuclear weapons and more. It's just going to take one mistake with the more power.”

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  7. “Something really rich about that small group, your direct relationship to your needs, all that. But with the food security and the modern medicine, things that we now have that we take for granted, but that I wouldn't choose that life if we didn't have those things. Otherwise, you're going to watch your family starve to death or things like that. So we have so much now, which should lead us to be hopeful while we try to improve because there's definitely a lot of things wrong, you know, but I guess it's... There's a lot of room for improvement, and I do feel like we're sort of walking on the knife's edge, you know, but I guess that's The way it is.”

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  8. “And roads and roads and food security. And, you know, I lived with the natives and I thought to myself a lot, like, I wonder if not everybody would choose this way of life because it is.”

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  9. “We talked about gratitude earlier. Look at what we have now that could give you hope. Like, look at what the world we're in. We live in such an amazing time with, you know.”

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  10. “That's interesting. You know, I felt like the way I met my wife was like, you know, we met at this wedding. And then I went to Russia, basically. And we kept in touch via email for, you know, that year. And a similar thing. It was really interesting to have to be so thoughtful and purposeful about what you're saying and things. I think it's probably healthy, good thing to do.”

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  11. “Yeah, I think you need a few days probably to really tap into it. But maybe you need to work your way there. It's awesome to go out on a hike, go see some beautiful little waterfall or go see some old tree or whatever it is. But I think just doing is it everybody thinks about doing it. You just really do do it. Go out. And then plan to go overnight. Don't be so afraid of all the potentialities that you delay it inevitably. It's actually one of the things that I've enjoyed the most about guiding people is giving them the tools so that now they have this ability into the And that's a tool in your toolkit of life that is, I think, really valuable because I think everybody should spend some time in nature. I mean, I think it's been pretty proven healthy.”

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  12. “No, we're going back this summer. I'm going to take a guy to trip up there, take a bunch of people. I'm really looking forward to being able to enjoy it without the pressure of a fun trip.”

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  13. “Unique things about Canada became like where they did alone, it's not typically what you'd say because it's fairly flat and cliffy and stuff, but it really became beautiful to me because I could tapped into the richness of the land, you know, or, you know, the fishing hole thing. It's like, that's a special little spot, you know, something like that. And you see the beauty. And then you start to see the beauty on the smaller scale. Like, oh, look at that little meadow with that. It's got an orange and a pink and a blue flower right next to each other. That's super cool. There's a million things like that.”

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  14. “But you know, another really awesome place that blew my mind was New Zealand, that South Island of New Zealand was pretty incredible. As far as just stunning stuff to see, I was pretty high up there on the list. But there's all these places have such kind of unique.”

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  15. “But it's like Right, right. No, I love the like in the... There's a region that I definitely love in the States. It's special to me. I grew up there, stuff like that, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana. Those are really cool places to me. I like the small town vibes. They're still maintaining and stuff there.”

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  16. “And confront it because in our modern world, when you're always distracted, you just never, ever going to know until you take the time to be alone for a considerable amount of time.”

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  17. “Yeah, in my mental life was really active. You end up when you're that long alone. I'll tell you what, you won't have is any skeletons in your closet that are still in your closet. Like you will be forced to confront every Every person, even I mean, it's one thing if you've cheated on your wife or something, but you'll be confronted with the random dude you didn't say thank you to. And the issue that you didn't resolve, you know, all this stuff that was long gone will come up. And then you'll work through it and you'll think how you should make it right. And I had a lot of those thoughts in my while I was out there. And it was so interesting to see what you would just brush over.”

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  18. “That's inspiring that you found. There's nothing in that. You know, I mean, you can find somehow you can tap into purpose even in that pain. I guess I would just speak from like right my dad's experience. I saw somebody do it and I benefited from it. Thanks to him for seeing the higher calling there.”

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  19. “I mean, you just have to have a really bad headache for today to know how much that throws a wrench in your existence. So all that to say, if you're not right now suffering with blindness or a bad back, or it's like, just count your blessings because it is all, it's so easy to have. It's amazing how complex we are, how well our bodies work. And when they go out of whack, it can be very overwhelming and they all will at some point. And so that's an interesting thing to think ahead on how you're going to confront it when it does keeps you humble, like you said.”

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  20. “Isn't it weird how, like, I mean, I can have a good life, happy life, and then you have a bad back, or you have a headache. And it's amazing how much that can overwhelm your experience Again, that was something I saw in dad that was like interesting. How can you find joy? In that, when you're just steeped in that all the time, and people I'm sure listening, there's a lot of people that do, and it's so And talk about the cross to bear and the hero journey to be good for you for trying to find. What you can your way through that. There was a lady in Russia, Tanya, and she had cancer and recovered, but always had a pounding headache. And she was really joyful and really fun to be around. And I just like, man.”

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  21. “It's not insignificant. Like, if you think you're doing, you know, if you think you're doing permanent damage to your body. Would be smart to quit. You should just not do that when it's not necessary because health is kind of all you have in some regards. So I don't blame anyone, then they quit because of that reason. It's like good but. But if you're in a situation and you don't have the option to quit, is knowing that you're doing permanent, that's not going to break. That won't break me. You just have to get through it. I'm not sure what my mental limit would be outside of like. The family suffering in the way that I described earlier”

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  22. “There's a way out, and you start to wonder if you shouldn't take the way out as far as if there's no way out. I don't know what.”

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  23. “I don't know what it would be. So on a loan, I knew if I wasn't going to, and ultimately it is a game show. So it's like ultimately I wasn't going to kill myself out there. It's like, but. So, if I hadn't been able to procure food and I was starving to death, it's like, okay, I'm not going to go home. But like if you put yourself in that situation, but it's not a game show. And having been there to some degree. I will say I wasn't even close. I don't even know Yeah, I hadn't got, it hadn't pushed my mental limit at all yet, I would say, or on the scale. But that's not to say there isn't one. I know there is one. But I have a hard time. I know I've dealt with enough pain and enough. Discomfort in life that I know I can deal with that. I think it gets difficult when you start to.”

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  24. “I mean, I think it would happen mentally. It would have to be Well, we talked about that earlier, I guess. The thing that I've confronted that I thought I knew was that if I knew I was the last person on Earth, I wouldn't do it. But maybe you're right. Maybe I would think I wasn't. But I think, you know, I can't imagine. We're so blessed in the time we live, like, but I can't imagine what it's like to lose your kids, something like that. It was an experience that was so common for humanity for so much of history. Would I be able to endure that? I would have at least a legacy to look back on of people who did. God forbid I ever have to delve that deep. You know what I mean? I could see that breaking somebody.”

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  25. “It's incredible. What a tough things, man. You just think every little, every animal you see up in the mountains when I'm up in the woods, that thing just surviving through the winter scraping by. It's tough. Tough existence.”

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  26. “Food sources are limited, but the fact that some people can live there means it is possible. They've figured out ways to catch seals and do things to survive, but it's by no means easier to be taken for granted or obvious. I think it's probably a harsh place to try to live.”

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  27. “You know, those Vikings that settled there were rugged, capable dudes Didn't make it, but there are inuit that natives that live up there, but. It's a hard life, you know, and the population's never grown very big because you're scraping by up there and you picture and the Vikings that did land there. They just weren't able to quite adapt and the fact that they all died out is just a symbol to that must be a pretty difficult place to live.”

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  28. “Well, there are places that are just purely uninhabitable. But I think as far as places that you have a chance, look at a way to put it. Maybe Greenland, I think of Greenland because I think of.”

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  29. “And I remember looking at my hands up close. You'd see them a little bit. And I was like, oh, that's how dad's hands looked. You know, they were alive, alive, and then interesting. Are my hands going to look like that in a few minutes or whatever? And so then I wrote down to my family what I thought, you know, like, I love you all. feel at peace, blah, blah, blah. And then I passed out and I woke up. But I didn't think I actually thought when I went to pass out, I thought there was a coin toss for me. So I really felt like I was confronting the end there. No.”

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  30. “Put a hose in somebody and then make them drink water until they puke. Anyway, the. And I just felt so, the only way I can express it, I felt so possessed, like demon possessed. Like I was just permeated with gas. I could feel it was coming out of my pores and I wanted to rip it out of me and I couldn't. I'd like puke into the toilet and then couldn't see, but I was wondering if it was like rainbow. And then I just remember like I could tell I was going out pretty soon.”

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  31. “And they're like, all right, well, Eura was like, man, I had a buddy that died doing that with diesel a couple years ago. And I was like, oh, man. And so anyway, I made my way to the hospital. And by then, you know, you're really out of it. And then they put me in this little dark room. It almost sounds like unrealistic, but exactly how happened. They put me in a little room with a toilet and they gave me a cold, you know, galvanized bucket. And then they just had a cold water faucet and they're just like, just chug water and puke into the toilet and just flush your system as much as you can. But they only had a cold water faucet. So I was just sitting there like chug, chug, chug chug until like you puke and chug until you're puking them in the dark. And I was like started to shiver because I was so cold. But I said still get this thing up to me and chug until I puked. I was picturing that member of reading, you know, about the Japanese torture where they would.”

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  32. “Siphon. I went sucked as hard as I couldn't and just instantly a bunch of gas filled my mouth. And I couldn't spit it out. I had to go like that. And I just full mouthful of gas that I just drank. And I was just like, oh, like, what is that going to do? He and my friend were going to go. On this fishing trip, and so was I. And I was just like, oh, I might just stay. And I was in this little Russian village.”

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  33. “I did have a time at a time where I thought I might, I was going to die. I had a lot of situations that could have gone either way and a lot of injuries, broken ribs and this and that. But the one that I was able to be conscious through a slowly evolving experience that I thought I might die in was at one point we were siphoning gas out of a barrel and it was almost to the bottom and I was like sucking really hard to get the gas out and then I didn't I didn't get the siphon going so I like waited and then while I was sitting there put the a new canister on top and put the hose in”

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  34. “I wonder, you know, you wonder when it actually comes, what you're going to think. But I did have, you know, I did have my dad to watch. Confronted in as positive a manner as you could. And I and that's a big advantage. And so I. I think when the time comes that I will be ready, but I think that's easy to say when the time feels far off. It'll be interesting if you got a cancer diagnosis tomorrow and stage four. Be heavy.”

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  35. “I think when you interact with animals and you have to confront the life and the death of them and the responsibility of symbiotic relationship you have. I think it opens a little bit of awareness to your place in the puzzle. Puts you in it rather than above it.”

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  36. “In the context of that indifference, it's interesting that we assign so much value and love and appreciation for these animals. And in some degree, we get that back in a reciprocity. I think right now you just said the reindeer. I think of the one they gave me because he was long and tall. So they named him Dlini. And I just remember Dlini and just watching him eat the leaves and go with me through the woods and trust him to take me through rivers and stuff. It really is special. It's really enriching to have that relationship with an animal. And I think it also puts you in a proper context. One thing I noticed about the natives who live with those animals all the time is they relate to life and death a little more naturally. It feels, you know, we feel really removed from it, particularly in urban settings. And I think.”

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  37. “Care about you. Totally. I think that's something I sat with a lot on that show is another part of the depths of your psychology to delve into. And that's when I thought I understand that deeply, but I could also choose to believe. That for some reason it matters, and then I could live like it matters, and then I could see the trajectories, and kind of that was another fork in the road of my path, I guess.”

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  38. “It's really easy. I mean, especially with what I do and what I talk about, and I see so much of the value and nature. Gosh, you know, I also see a beautiful moose and a calf running around. And then next week, I see the calf rip the shreds by wolves. And you're just like, oh, and. It's not as Rousseauian as we'd like to think. Things must die for things to live, like you said, and that's just played out all the time, and it's indifferent to you, doesn't care if you live or die and doesn't care how you die or how much pain you go through while you, you know, it's like Pretty brutal. So it's interesting that he taps into that, and I think it's valuable because it's easy to idealize in a way.”

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  39. “Yeah, he does an incredible job with it. I will say, have you seen the full version? Have you watched the four-part full version? You should. You'd like it. It's in Russian. And so you'll get the fullness of that. And it's, uh, He had to fit it into a two hour format. And so I think what you lose in those extra couple hours is worth watching. I think you'll like it.”

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  40. “Right, you gotta wrestle with it. It's like that quote, you know, the line between good and evil goes through the heart of every man and we push it this way and that. And our job is to work on that within ourselves”

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  41. “One thing I noticed really tangibly on a loan was that because I had so many people that were close to me kind of just leave it all together. I was like, I could do that. I actually understand why they do. I could not, you know, I do have a choice, and so I had to choose at that point to Maintain that ideal. And because I could add enough time on a loan, the one nice thing is you don't have any distractions. You have all the time in the world to go into your head. And I could play those paths out in my life. And not only in my life, but I feel like societally and generationally. Throw it all away and everybody start from square one, or we can try to redeem what's Valuable in this and wrestle with it. And so I just, I chose that path.”

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  42. “And so I so much appreciate all the me striving. And that's where I grew up in a Christian family. So I had these like cliches that I didn't really understand, like a relationship with God. Like, what does that mean? But then I realized when I struggled with trying with taking, I actually did try to take it seriously and struggle with what does it mean to live out a life of love in the world. That's like a wrestling match because it's not that simple. It doesn't sound, it sounds good, but it's really hard to do. And then you realize you can't do it perfectly. But in that struggle, in that wrestling match is where I actually sense that relationship. And then that's where it kind of gains life. And I'm sure that relates to what Jordan Peterson is getting at in his metaphor.”

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  43. “Yeah, and I'm glad you say that because I found a lot of comfort in that because I feel somewhat inarticulate a lot of the times and unable to articulate my thoughts, especially on these matters. And then you just think it's, I just have to, but I do have to, I can live it. I can try to live it, you know, and then what I also am struck with right away is I can't because you can't love everybody. You can't love your enemies and you can't. But as placing that in front of you as the ideal is so important to put a check on your human instincts, on your tribalism, on your, I mean, you can very quickly. Like we talked about with evil, you know, it can really quickly take its place in your life. I almost won't observe it happening, you know, but”

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  44. “Right, right. And then that was always a lot of my family and loved ones and friends have completely left the faith. And I totally, in a way, I get it. I understand, but I also really see the baby that's being thrown out with the bathwater. And I want. Cherish that in a way, I”

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  45. “And then that subject to pain and subject to the brokenness and all that. And I was like, oh, wow. And then, but when I had that thought, then all of a sudden I could relate my dark hands on the chains to the rest of the experience. And then all of a sudden I could picture my children as the children rather than this amorphous feeling of love. It was like, oh, there's Alana and Altai and Zion. But then they were bounded. And then once they're bounded, you're subject to the death and to the misunderstanding and to all that. Like, you know, I picture the amoeba or the cell. And then when it dies, it turns into a unformed thing. And so we need some kind of form to relate to. So instead of always just talking about God completely intangibly, it kind of gave me a way to relate to it. And I was like, oh, wow, that's.”

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  46. “That infinite amorphous thing had to somehow take form for us to be able to relate to it. It had to have some kind of a form. But whenever you create a form out of something, you're like boxing it in and subjugating it to boundaries and stuff like that.”

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  47. “But then I would, you know, at times, I would try to picture him and I couldn't quite picture the kids. But I could feel the love and then I started asking all the deepest existential questions I could, you know, and it felt like I was just one answer, another answer, another answer. Everything was being answered. And I felt like I was communing with God, whatever you want to say. But I was very aware of the fact that that communing was just peeling back the tiniest corner of the infinite. And it just dumped me with every answer I felt like I could have. It kind of blew me away. So then I asked it, well, if you're the infinite, like, why did you reveal to me yourself? Why did you use the story of Jesus to reveal yourself? And then...”

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  48. “I've done them a couple times, but one time didn't do that many. The other time more, and I had a really profound experience in helping. All this in a proper context for myself. So when I did it, I remember I was sitting on a swing and I could see everything was so blissful, except I could see my black hands on these chains, like on the swing. But everything else was blissful and kind of amorphous. And I could see the outline of my kids and I could just feel the love for them. And I was just like, man, I just feel the love. It's so wonderful.”

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  49. “Like you said, it's kind of fuzzy. So I've only been able to get clear vision of it when I live it. It's not something you profess or anything like that. It's something that you. Take seriously and apply in your life. And when you live it, then there's some clarity there That it has to be kind of defined, like it's like it's, and that's where you come in with the religion and the stories because if you leave. Don't really know where you go from there. Actually, in the funny to speak to that, I did mushroom. Have you ever done those before?”

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  50. “That said, a lot of that gets wrapped up in what you're talking, you know, what is so natural just becomes another instrument for tribalism or another justification for wrong. And so I even myself am self-conscious sometimes talking about matters of faith because I know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about something else other than what someone else might think of when they hear me talking about it. So it's interesting.”

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