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  1. I think they do. I think we built a country based around the idea that people do and therefore those are the boundaries that we will work within, that Nixon will eventually step down because it's so gosh darn embarrassing. It's like, I don't know if those are the rules anymore.

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  2. Here are the Maga rules. Do anything for attention and to own the lips. And you played it, and now you're stuck. And what you don't have is the dead soul or the political savviness to escape this conversation. You're stuck grappling with a morality that is based on love and empathy and a maggaparty that is telling you to burn it all down. And to me, that That interaction Resonated because I looked at them and I was like, I see it in you, it's this cruelty is not in you, but the game asks for it. And that's what breaks my heart.

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  3. Their group made a decision for clicks because their group made a decision that lives in the MAGA sphere. The MAGA playbook is do the most outlandish thing to own the libs no matter the consequence. And they did this thing. And then I reached them a week or so later, and they've been blasted by people on the left. And when I talk to them about it, you can hear and see them. There's a morality, there's a core underneath there that's like, you don't want to have Andrew Tate come here. You've talked about your sisters, your mothers, you've talked about women in your lives in a way that what he does is disgusting and you don't want him anywhere near you. But yet, but yet, you are young and part of this Republican Party in a way that you have to play MAGA

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  4. That's a great question. We went down to Tampa Bay and I talked to the young Republicans at Tampa Bay. And they had just gone through a little bit of a firestorm because Andrew Tate returned from Romania. Andrew Tate, the alleged sex trafficker, comes back from Romania and the Tampa Bay Young Republicans invite him to speak to their group. And there was a bit of an outcry from the left and some people on the right who are like, what are you doing? This guy's a sex trafficker, alleged. There's terrible videos of him being so misogynist and beating women. This is a toxic person. Why are you inviting this person to talk to your group? And I sat down with them and I had, to be fair, it's an awkward interaction on the special. Because when I talk to these men,

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  5. Well, here's the thing that it's tough to do is to give up going on the road. And so I think that that is what is difficult for me. If I were hosting, I would figure out a way I was trying to do with the opposition to be both. During the week, but also to be on the road and talk to people where they're at. And so I think that's something I always like bringing back into the Daily Show. And if that was my full-time job, I don't know how I would do it, but I'd have to spend some time on the road as well.

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  6. In Jesus Christ, the property I would buy upstate would be unreal. I would finally get up the Hudson Valley. I would get something just outside Hudson. It would be a nice place. I wouldn't feel regret about it. I'd invest in a liquor company.

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  7. Correct. I know the Daily Show has found a lot of success in that. And when I talk to anybody who's under 30, they're watching one-minute clips that I've done from the road. I'm talking to people over 50. They're watching the full episode. And it's like, I'm able to communicate with people in these different ways. So you got to get savvy at doing that.

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  8. I also love the fact that I get to go out and do short field pieces and I get to do specials. And I sort of think, what does late night do? Well, the Daily Show does something late night doesn't get to do, which is like you get a monologue based on what happened that day. You get field pieces where we actually go into the world and talk to people. And those are going to live at six minute things. You get quick little clips to show the hypocrisy of the world that is there. I get to do deep dive pieces on Hungary. And so you can watch a special on that. It's like you need to approach this as like If you got 15 minutes on what happened today or you want six minutes about what happened in the middle of Pennsylvania or you want to watch a big full-on special.

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  9. I respect it. But I think honestly, what has been fun about it is it has been a humane way to deal with the Trump deluge in that we all don't go crazy because of it. And I think as an audience, they get the same daily show voice with different people with their own perspectives that they bring to it.

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  10. That has been really fun. I mean, John hired me. And so when John came in, it was a mentor of mine. And to get a chance to actually work with John this week, it's incredible. John hosts on Monday, and I'm here, and I talk to John. And then I'm watching John. I'm learning from John. And then I'm hosting the rest of the week the dream job, to sit behind the desk at the Daily Show and get to talk about this stuff. It's exhausting. And I get to then stop at the end of the week, and then somebody else gets to come on. Desi gets to come on, some people like Desi more than other people, and they make that very obvious. Interviews that they do, which I understand, and I want to be open to that. So for people who have their favorites, you're going to get your favorite the next week. And I think that's

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  11. Well, I will say, I mean, I love what the Daily Show is doing right now. For me, it's been a blast. We've had so much upheaval and uncertainty in the last few years. Like we had a pandemic, we had a writer's strike, we had Trevor Leave, we had a year of guest hosts coming in and out. And it kind of... Created a resiliency in the show as to like things are going to change. You're going to think it's one way and it's going to have to shift. Something the show has to do new hosts every single week for a year to figure out what that was. And it landed us in a place

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  12. Well, as a Michigander, I spent some time with Whitmer and I like Gretchen Whitmer. You like Big Gretsch. And again, I think Wes Moore was a really impressive, thoughtful person that I like spending a little bit of time with. He also rapped Bring the Pain by Method Man with me after a show in Chicago. And so I got to give respect for anybody with Wu Tang love.

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  13. Yeah, I think Wes was great. I'm a sucker for governors on the left. Again, not from the comedy side necessarily, although there's some real cracker jacks there. But I think there are people who got shit done in their States and are able to talk in ways that are less partisan. I feel like when I spend time with senators or folks, you see the politics. They're good at politics, but governors are like, we got to get shit done. And that to me is super compelling.

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  14. Who is funny on the left, like in the political sphere? Boy, who is funny? I mean, I will say who's most like, I think AOC and Bernie are compelling in themselves, and I like that. I spent some time with Wes Moore, who I thought was really, really impressive and interesting.

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  15. I think you have to be careful for politics. I don't have the answer. I don't know how to invite that vulnerability into that culture to allow people to meet on the same page. I don't think it tends to happen in front of cameras or in front of audiences because I think that's too dangerous.

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  16. That tends to be what happens in these situations where the left reveals an opening and the right takes it as opposed to both people meeting

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  17. I mean, it's like the, I haven't listened to much of the Gavin Newsom podcast where he's inviting people on. I think what is dangerous about an idea there, there's something I really like about that idea, but I think you speak to something that's like, oh, it's one thing to come to something and say, like, I'm going to show you my vulnerability. And the other person be like, gotcha, bitch.

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  18. I mean, you know what? People often ask, are you able to change people's minds when you go do daily show pieces? I'm like, that's not the intention of those pieces. And the answer is no. More often not because there's a camera there and it invites people to put on a shield and be right and win an argument with their certainty and their identity. But the interesting moments to me are the moments off camera where you're actually able to show some of the things you don't know. I did a podcast with Governor John Kasich, and the most interesting moments to me were our phone calls that were not recorded where we were much more revealing in the things we were unsure about and the political ideas we had that we hadn't fully understood and were open for the ability to change and feel something different about it.

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  19. It's hard to give any ground when you can't agree that the earth you stand on is either round or flat. But perhaps a gesture of understanding, if not towards irrefutable facts, but to your own uncertainty is a step towards progress. I think the phrase, I don't know, invites a softening, and the ground is too hard to grow much of anything right now. What I think, in order for American democracy to survive, we need a culture of vulnerability, or at least a space in that culture for vulnerability. The good news is being wrong is sexy

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  20. But that doesn't define who they are completely. And so, yes, am I afraid sometimes that the entertainment industry will course correct in a way that they are trying to appease a Trump administration? Yeah. I think that's something that is worrisome to me. And when we talked about seeing what's happening in other countries, it's like, oh yeah, I think is there a finger that can be put on the scale? Totally could be. And that is worrisome and scary as shit. But I'm also not like knee-jerk. Upset about a proliferation of other types of show that have different audiences because I think that is also important in the weirdness of what Hollywood is right now. Like there's a lot of space for different types of stories and some are going to work and some are not. And I think we're going to test that out in the next coming years.

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  21. This is Santa Claus face. Tim was on home improvement. He did Santa Claus. And Tim is a lovely guy. Libertarian beliefs. When we meet now and see each other, we usually fight over politics in a lovely comedian, funny way. And I get it. And as somebody who knows Tim and somebody who's on the Daily Show, a progressive show, people come up to me and they'll talk about like that Tim Allen show and I'm like, here's what's complicated about it. Tim Allen is a lovely, funny, nice guy. He's not a cruel guy. He's a funny guy. He's got libertarian views. He likes to be a contrarian. He likes to push buttons. And I know he's doing a show that might not appeal to you because he's playing in that lane. But I know it plays to a lot of people and I get what is appealing about it. And I think in America that I want to live in, these shows exist with other shows in ways that are softening towards these people who have political beliefs that are outside our own.

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  22. So Tim Allen is a part of my life. I see, I used to see Cousin Tim, Uncle Tim at Thanksgiving when he would come back into Detroit. So I know Tim.

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  23. It's interesting here, I think there are always audiences in different corners. The Tim Allen show is an interesting one because so Tim Allen's my mom's cousin. It was my dad's college roommate, and it's why my parents met.

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  24. These bold truth tellers willing to say what they want to say, and they don't have to be tied down. They're not these lefty lips. So like, yeah, they will, fuck it, there's no constraints. And then they have Elon Musgon and kiss his ass or Donald Trump on and just compliment him and not push him. And you can do whatever you want in this podcast space or this comedy space, but in some ways... Where I think right wing comedy to me has not appealed to me is that you are praising the actions of cruelty as opposed to calling out those in power and perhaps finding levity in the people who are fighting back against them. I think if you're always looking at the victims of the cruelty as the punchlines of your jokes. To me, that's a comedic space that is less appealing.

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  25. There's space on the left and the right, and I think there's good comedians who are able to work in both of those spaces and not be pigeonholed into one left or right. Right-wing comedians, there's of course space for people to connect. Again, I think it's what I always say is like the job of a comedian is to read the room and speak to what that room is. Our rooms are getting more and more one-sided. And so I think there are right-wing rooms that people speak within that. I think an issue I always have is sometimes they talk about these truth-tellers and these right-wingers and these podcast bros.

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  26. That's a great question. I mean, I think To me, I've always found resonance in people in the political space. The George Carlins, the Lenny Bruces, the John Stewarts, who like call out bullshit where they see it, and poke holes at those in power, you know, they're tickling the feet of the giants, if you will.

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  27. Even if you don't like them, you believe them. Bernie's not Hassan Piker. Hassan Piker really likes Bernie Sanders, and they're both authentic in very different ways, but they're both authentic. And so I think the left has space for that. And quite frankly, they keep thinking, who can be in a podcast to do that? A podcast is a very revealing place. Joe Rogan talks for three hours. People talk for a long amount of time. They expose who they are. And I think if they engage in places where they are more open, more authentic, more curious, like I think voices and faces will resonate with a younger generation, but you're not going to be able to plan it. You're just going to have to leave space for it to occur.

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  28. I mean, when I look at who will make a dent here Like, Charlie Cook is making a dent. He's on campus. Love him or hate him. He feels authentic to these kids. And he also knows how to talk to him on the device that they talk to. I think what the Democrats are looking for, they're not going to create in a lab. It's not going to have a prescribed political ideology. It might be more moderate than people think. It might be more left than people think, but it's going to feel authentic.

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  29. I think they are focusing this message. They feel really optimistic about learning about this message. And they will talk to other people and put them in the ring in a way that they can effectively articulate this message.

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  30. You can't look away. And also, you can't emotionally experience anything. Think above all of the social media stuff, it takes you away from actually being with yourself. And you realize you talk to an 18-year-old if they're with themselves and figure out what they think about, they got interesting, complicated, open ideas. If you put a screen in front of their face that says don't think about, don't think about, don't think about it, then all they're doing is reflecting the thing that's on the screen the most. And more often than not, it's right-wingers who get in that space, or it's corporations who are just like, you need this loud, loud materialism, capitalism. That's what you're reflecting back at the world. So it's less that we're creating kids who are cruel with bad intentions. We're creating reflections of the media that were shoving down their throat. And that

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  31. There was a study that was done last year that essentially created a blank 16-year-old and within like 20 minutes or so suddenly anti-feminist, toxic masculinity all started feeding in there. And so we were like, let's try this out. What does it actually look like if you just create 16-year-old male, pop it on, what starts coming at you? And very quickly, some right-wing stuff started to pop into that algorithm, but even top line for me was just the algorithm, the interface itself was so discombobulating. It was so aggressive. It scrambled my mind in a way that I was.

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  32. Yeah, and not be gullible. And I'm, I mean, I'm like, I'm a Luddite at heart, and so I see what's happening here for this special. I got on TikTok for the first time, and my mind is blown.

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  33. Yes, in the sense that, I mean, when you have a child in this weird culture we're in right now, everything is filtered through that of like, what do I want to expose my kid to? How can my kid be useful within this environment? How can he be safe, but also be tough in this space?

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  34. But I think that's also you've pinpointed the crux of where progressivism is having a really hard time right now because I know people who push that out and they won't watch Paw Patrol because of what is back behind it. And you're also like, but guys, you're going to have to be able, it's not just Bluey. Sometimes the left gets a bluey and it's lovely and it's great and it's perfect. It's able to deal with humanity in these other ways. But the left has to open up their circle so it's not just bluey. It's also Paw Patrol, maybe a Blippy sneaks in there as well. Like the world is complicated.

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  35. It's out there. I made the joke that Keanu Reeves is like the ultimate. Like progressive cool. If somebody could be respectful and interesting and literally be the matrix is the one. I think it's interacting in those fears. I think there's a misunderstanding when people talk about who's the Joe Rogan of the left. And I think there's a misunderstanding that Joe Rogan is mostly a cultural commentator who kind of talks about politics. I'm like, the Joe Rogan of the left is more like Travis Kelsey than anybody else. It's like it's being able to engage in a space where your life isn't defined around one political ideology, but that you're interested in culture and you're comfortable in who you are, and that exudes itself to something else.

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  36. Well, that's what's so interesting. You see, it's not as if the right is killing it in this sphere. If Charlie Kirk is cool, there is space for other people to step in and be cool. Right.

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  37. But you have an 18 year old who's looking to attach something that feels fun and playful and somebody who can speak authentically. About traditionally masculine things that isn't boxed in by an idea that I have to be the perfect version of this, then I can be complicated.

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  38. Fucking time. Well, he's able to connect with the things kids are talking about. But beyond that, it's fun. It's easy on the left for people to say, well, look at these videos of cars and these hypermasculine traits that have they can go awry.

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  39. I was like, you know, the media cycle is so exhausting right now. How do you stop from going crazy? And I'm paraphrasing him, but he mentioned he makes as much noise about the things he cares about as he can. And then he focuses on self-improvement. He's like, it's the thing you can control. And the left gets so weird about like, It's about image. It's about this. And that's toxic masculinity. It's like, no, dude, that's a guy like doing push ups who feels good about himself. Right. And for a 24 year old who's like, man, I just, what can I control that I can feel good about? Give me a hero's journey, even the tiniest hero's journey. What do you got for me

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  40. Well, I mean, I think liberal media suddenly loved Hassan Piker because he's a Twitch streamer. He has like 2.8 million followers. He talks about progressive policies for eight hours a day, but he also talks about culture and life. He gets clicks also because he works out in his backyard. He's got anime pictures in his background. And when I spent some time with him, what really liked about his son, he was very authentic person. And he felt like a very different generation than me. As somebody who understands what progressives in their 40s feel like, what the guardrails are and the ways in which you should take certain topics seriously and how you should eskew other topics. Like, sound bikers like, no, I work out. I like working out. I like to post videos about working out. I also like to fight the billionaire class and talk about socialism. And then I like to talk about anime. And it's a much more authentic, casual conversation. And the thing that resonated most with me is when I talked to him.

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  41. Yeah, I think Andrew Tate is pitching the old cars, sex power. He's pitching that to 12-year-olds. And you have a lot of stunted men who are looking for attention. And I think kids are getting early on. So I see what they're drawn to as well. More often than not, what I understand the appeal here is they preach certainty, they preach curiosity, and they look like strong, successful men, that when you are a young malleable boy, you're drawn to. I spent a little time in this special with the Hassan Piker, who I thought was...

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  42. I mean, I think there's a lot of, I think those are all very different types of influencers. People want, people are curious. I talk to a lot of young men who have time, have three hours in the day that they want to listen to somebody talk to, they want Joe Rogan to talk to a conspiracy theorist, but also Joe Rogan will talk to a nutrition for three hours. And there's a 25-year-old dude who's like, yeah, I want to hear.

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  43. There's a lot of people who show up who are on the left side of things, who are angry and want to engage with Charlie Kirk and they line up and they fight Charlie Kirk. And they're 18 or 19 and they're upset and they've been waiting in line for 40 minutes and they get in a screaming match with Charlie Kirk and he's 31 and he's calm and he's relaxed and he talks to them. And then when I talk to the people who watch that, I ask them, what'd you think? And they're like, you know, I've been hearing about how the left are just these lunatics who are so outraged. And I mean, I didn't think it was true. And then I saw it. You're like, oh, that's part of what's happening on this camera.

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  44. What ends up happening is on its surface, I love that there's debates happening. I think there should be debates happening on campuses. It's great that that's happening. And you don't have to agree with everybody. But the people who went there, they're going there to debate, but it's a performance of liberal hyperbole and anger where

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  45. They are looking for certainty. They want somebody to tell them how to find, like where I have empathy, it's hard to leave college and find your identity, find a job, find purpose. And this person who you know is famous comes to your campus and they tell you, I've the answer. Take these tools. They glom onto that. Also, there's a trick that happened. Again, we're at this turning point event. I thought it was just about these people. They're learning conservative ideology because Laura Trump was there, Charlie Kirk was there, and they're talking about conservative talking points, but they're also debating people. The point of those things is that it's an open debate for college students.

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  46. More often than not, when I asked them why they were seeking out Charlie Kirk, they're like, he explained things so well, he's so interesting, he thinks about stuff. He gives you answers. You're curious. I loved Christopher Hitchens back in the day, and I loved his contrarian nature. I loved that he was articulate. I don't think I loved his politics, but I was compelled by an articulate voice that these kids earnestly crave.

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  47. They were very open to hear what people had to say, and Charlie Kirk comes on campus, and he's famous. They've seen him online and on TikTok he gets clicks and he shows up, and it's a thing. He throws out a bunch of hats. People grab the hats. They put on the hats. Everybody's wearing trump hats. You're like, it's not that you don't have conservative leanings. But I see you right now and I see you creating an identity for yourself based around a free hat, based around somebody who gets attention, which for an 18 year old, attention is the king of all kings. You want to be an influencer and you find somebody who finds success in that. And there's nobody in a liberal space who's speaking to you. And so I see you starting to graft onto that persona. But what I don't see is a cruelty or a meanness, that old me was projecting onto you. I see an openness. I see somebody who doesn't know.

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  48. I was impressed with the empathy and humanity of the 18-year-olds that I talked to. I thought they would be cynical and potentially cruel. And when I realized the cruelty is something you learn, it's something that's embedded by these older folks who are manipulating that space. So when I went to Texas A&M and I talked to people, very conservative school, very religious school. And they have many of the people I talked to had conservative leanings, but they were very open.

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  49. It was mostly to seat. Yeah. I mean, I feel like when I go to the Trump rallies, there's just a plethora of old people's hypocrisy. And so to hear that suddenly, college kids think Charlie Kirk is cool is a question. And the larger question I had is like, is there a true conservative ideology embedded in these 18-year-olds? Is that what they're, are they drawn to an ideology, a morality that is there? Or is it just for clicks? And as you go in there, like...

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  50. Yes, I mean, I. Us it was, it was like, oh wow, are people buying into this more than they were before? Is this suddenly cool? Is this hip? Is this what's the magic trip Trump has pulled? And the cynic in me thought I would find just hand down people who were mini Marco Rubios, mini Ted Cruzes, Mini Donald Trump's 18-year-old form. And there were elements of it, and there was conservatism that was there. I think what I often see at Trump rallies was people are drawn to the tribalism, the community that is there, the identity that they get. It's fun. It's fine

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