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  1. “Neurologically, there's a production center and an editing center, and those can be separately affected by strokes. And so often when people are writing or talking, they try to activate both at the same time. And that's so people will try to write an essay and get every sentence right in the first draft. That's a big mistake. And so then you might say, well, how can you be careful”

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  2. “Well, when I talk, and I've practiced this since consciously, since 1985. I try to feel and see if the words are stepping stones or foundation stones, right? It's like, is this solid? Is this word solid? Is this phrase solid? Is this sentence solid? It's a real sense of. Fundamental foundation under each word. And I suppose people ask me if I pray. And I would say, I pray before every word. When you're asking questions, like you're very clear headed and present in your Ability to ask questions and inquire. So, how do you do that?”

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  3. “Yes, at that point, I just make point notes. And it's usually about maybe 30 notes. But then on stage, I never refer to them. And I often don't even use the structure that I laid out.”

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  4. “Do am I clued in and thrilled that 4,000 people have showed up at substantial expense and trouble to come and listen to me talk? And if I'm not in that state of mind, I think, well, maybe I need something to eat or maybe I need to talk to someone because. Ingratitude is no place to start. It's like I should be thrilled to be there. Obviously. And so that orientation has to be there. And then is it conscious? All this is conscious. What am I serving? The highest good I can conceptualize. What is that? I have some sense, but I don't know it in the final analysis, which is why the investigation is being conducted. Who's doing it? Me, whoever I'm communing with, and the audience. So I try to get myself and I chase everybody away for that. It's like I have to do that by myself.”

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  5. “It's conscious and habitual, right? Because as you practice something consciously, it becomes habitual, but it's conscious. It's like when I sit down. Before I do a lecture, I think, okay, what's the goal here to do the best job I can? To what end? Well, people are coming here. Not for political issues. They're coming here because they're trying to make their lives better. Okay, so what are we doing? We're conducting a joint investigation into the nature of that which makes life better. Okay, what's my role to do as good a job about that as possible? What state of mind do I have to be in? Am I annoyed about the theater?”

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  6. “No, it does to some degree. It depends on your intent. So imagine that your intent is to make things better. Maybe they come from the place that's designed to make things better. Maybe your intent is to make things worse. Then they come from hell. Think not really. It's like you're so sure about that, are you?”

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  7. “And so that's the first thing. And that's like a prayer. It's like, okay. Here's a mystery. I would like to delve into it further. Well, so that's humility. It's like, here's a mystery, which means I don't know. I would like to delve into it further, which means I don't know enough already. And then comes the revelation. It's like, well, what's a revelation? Well, if you ask yourself a question, it's a real question. Do you get an answer or not? The answer is, well, yeah, thoughts start to appear in your head. So for the”

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  8. “The name of the app sa.app. And well, the first question is, well, what bugs you? What's bugging you? This is such a cool thing. It's like, where is my destiny? Well, what bothers you? Well, that's where your destiny is. Your destiny is to be found in what bothers you. Why did those things bother you? There's a lot of things you could be bothered by. Like a million things, man, but some things grip you. They bug you and they might make you resentful and bitter because they bug you so much. Like they're your things, man. They've got you. So then I look for a question that I would like the answer to that I don't, and I would really like the answer to it so I don't assume I already have that answer because I would actually really like to have the answer. So if I could get a better answer.”

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  9. “Well, first of all, I think, okay. That's a really good question. We've tried to work that out with this essay app that my son and I have developed because if you're going to write, the first question is, well, what should I write about?”

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  10. “It's more difficult socially Tammy seems to only be able to eat lamb, although she might be able to eat non aged beef. And that makes traveling complicated too, right? Because, well, for obvious reasons, it's like, really, that's all you can eat. Yeah, well, say Levi. And maybe that's a form of craziness, but.”

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  11. “I wonder how much of that associated with, well, imagine that that signifies lack of food, which not that hard to imagine. Well, maybe you should be a lot more alert in that situation, right? Biologically speaking, because You're in hunting mode, let's say not desperate, but in hunting mode, and God only knows maybe human beings should be in hunting mode all the time.”

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  12. “That's an optimization of death because when you fast, your body logically and obviously, if you think about it biologically, well, what is your body scavenged first? Well, damaged tissue. I know the literature on fasting to some degree, and it's very compelling literature. If you starve dogs down, I think it's 20% below rats too, below their optimal body weight. They live 30% longer. That's a lot 30%. Like it's like 30. Yeah, yeah, 30”

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  13. “Allergic response, yeah. So, anyways, that was what seemed now. I don't like to talk about this much because it's so bloody radical and I don't like to propagate it, but this diet seems to have stopped all of that. I don't have psoriasis, all of the patches have gone. Gum disease, which is incurable. I had multiple surgeries to deal with it, is completely gone. Took three years. My right eye, which was quite cloudy, has cleared up completely. Else has changed? Well, I lost 50 pounds and like instantly and kept.”

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  14. “And so that, and that, I think, was that the bottom of, because I also had this proclivity to depression that was part of my family history. But I think that was all immunological as far as I can tell. So one of the things that's happened to me, I always noticed I really couldn't breathe. Like I could breathe about one-fifth as much as I sometimes could. And so I was always short of breath, and it looks like what that was perhaps was I was always on the border of an anaphylactic reaction, which is not pleasant. And that's hypersympathetic activation. No parasympathetic activation. I couldn't relax. At all.”

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  15. “Had a lot of immune while my daughter, as everyone knows, has a very reactive immune system, and Tammy has three immunological conditions. Each of them quite serious. And I had psoriasis and peripheral uviitis, which is an autoimmune condition, and elopetiariata and chronic gum disease, all of which appeared to be allergy related. And so Michaela seems to have got all of that.”

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  16. “Fortunately, that is almost never a problem. Even when I was unbelievably ill for about three years, I thought about that a lot too, you know, that I didn't do a really good job of explaining that while I was ill because it appeared in some sense that the reason I was ill was because I was taking benzodiazepines. But that isn't why. I was ill and then I took them and very low dose and I took that for a long time and it helped whatever was wrong with me and it looks like it was an allergy or maybe multiple allergies. That stopped working. And so I took a little bit more for about a month, and that made it way worse. And so then I cut back a lot. And then things really got out of hand.”

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  17. “There's another element to it, too, that I didn't tell you about. So that was it. Typical day, but it's missing a big component because usually we also have a dinner with like 30. Cultural representatives, I suppose, 10 to 30 from each country, because I have a network of people who have networks, who are setting me up with key decision makers in each country. And so then we have like an hour and a half of that. Now, sometimes that's on a day when I don't have a talk, but sometimes the talks are back-to-back. And so she also has to manage that and to be gracious. And then people are showing us exciting things and tours in the cities, and which is all like it's a surfite of wonderful.”

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  18. “This. And that was the answer. And so she has her own hotel room. That was a really good decision on her part, and she's very good at getting better all the time at figuring out what has to happen for her to make this sustainable. And all that's been is a plus. I don't want to travel without her, and I don't want her life to be miserable, and I want her to be fully on board. And so she has to be properly selfish. Everyone does in a relationship”

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  19. “She found that she didn't want to be on the tour this spring, and I was ill again for part of it, and that made it complicated, but she went away back home and she came back and she said, and she was nervous about. She said, I think I need my own room. And part of me was not happy with that. It's like, what do you mean you need your, like, are we not married anymore? It's like you need your own room. And she said, well, you know, I can't, she has to do exercises because she was really sick and she has to keep herself in shape. And she has to have some time to do that. And she does a lot of prayer and meditation and she needs the time and she has her own podcast, which is going quite well. And she needs the time. And I trust her. And she said, well, I need this in order to continue. And I thought, well, okay. If you need this in order to continue, yes. Because she went away and didn't say, well, I don't want to be on the tour. I don't want to do this anymore. She went away and prayed, let's say, how can I continue to do this?”

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  20. “And great characterization. There's a familiarity about Stephen King's writing too, that he writes about people you know. And so I really found that a relief. And so that was useful. And in order to tolerate this, let's say, or to be able to sustain it. Let's take in a lot of negotiation on the part of Tammy and I because she's dragged into this and her life is Part of this, whatever this is, and she's had to find her way and has, for example, now she has a different hotel room than me when we travel.”

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  21. “Know because I'm so burnt out by then from the talk and the audience interactions and the whole day because it's a new city. It's a new hotel. It's a new 5,000 people. It's a new book chapter. It's a whole new horizon of ideas. And it's off to another city the next day. I'm so burnt out by then that I'm not as good at controlling my impulses as I might be. And Twitter was a real catastrophe for that because it would hook me and then I couldn't. Like I used to when I was working on my book a lot. I used to call Tammy. I'd say, look, you have to come and get me. I can't stop. I can't stop. I got tired and then I kind of, because it's part of a kind of hypomanic focus. I couldn't quit. It's like, oh no, I'm still writing. I need to get away from this. But I couldn't stop. And so. It's better to To read something.”

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  22. “You don't want to be that guy, so you want to be grateful all the time when people open up like that. And so you got to be alert and on point to do that properly, like right away. Because for you, it's five seconds or ten seconds or 20 seconds, whatever it is. But for them. They've opened up, and so you can really nail them if you're foolish.”

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  23. “And it is. You're right about that. And I mean, that's, I suppose, in some sense part of the pain of opening yourself up to people because they also, Tammy has been struck particularly. She said, I really never knew what men were like. I said, well, what do you mean? She said, I cannot believe how polite the men are when they come and talk to you. Because it's always the same. The pattern's very similar. The person comes up. They're mostly men, not always, but mostly. And they're tentative and they're very polite, very, very polite. And they say, I hope I'm not bothering you. Do you mind, you know, do you mind? And I say that they're not bothering me. I'm doing everything I can to not be the guy who's bothered by that. It's like, who do you think you are The guy What is famous and now is above that?”

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  24. “That's an everyday occurrence. And so when we go up to our cottage, which is out of the city, it's a relief, you know, because As wonderful as that is. Like it's a weird, I have a weird life because everywhere I go, it's very weird. It's like I'm surrounded by old friends because I walk down the street in any city now, virtually, and people say, hello, Dr. Peterson. So nice to see you. Or they say better things than that, very rarely bad things. One experience in 5,000 maybe. Very rare, although you don't forget those either. But it's very strange.”

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  25. “Know sometimes it's good just to be one of the crowd and then you're a little irritable and people can just brush that off. But if you're someone they have dared to open their heart to, because that's what admiration is, and then you're And you betray that, then that's a real, they'll never forget it. And then they'll tell everyone too. So. Takes a lot of alertness, and so Tammy and our life has got complicated because in Toronto, for example, we can't really just go for a walk. Always a high drama production because always people come up and they have some heart rending story to tell. And I'm not being cynical about that. It's a hard thing to bear because people don't do that. They don't just open themselves up to you like that and share the tragedy of their life.”

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  26. “Of their life one way or another. And so I really have to watch this too in airports because I do not like airports. I do not like the creeping totalitarianism in airports. They've always bothered me. He really bothered me. And I'm an unpleasant travel companion for my wife sometimes because of that, although I think we've worked that out. Thank God, because we're doing a lot of traveling. But most of the security guards and the border personnel, all those people they know me, and as a general rule, they're positively predisposed to me. And so if I'm peevish or irritable. Then, well, that's not good. It's not good. And so that's a tight rope to walk to because I do not like that creeping totalitarianism. But by the same token, Know if you're just one of the crowd just”

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  27. “Crucially important too because If someone comes up to you in an airport and they know who you are and they're brave enough to admire you or who you are attempting to be and you make a mistake, they will never forget it. So it's a high stakes enterprise.”

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  28. “It's like being in a wedding lineup at a wedding that you want to be at. Everybody's dressed up. And that's so weird, eh? Because I bought these expensive suits when I went on tour. And it broke my heart because I spent so much money on them. I thought, God, that's completely unconscionable. I thought no way, man. I'm in this one hundred percent, and so I'm going to dress with respect and have. 60% of the audience comes in two or three piece suits. They're all dressed up. Then there's this line to greet me and they're all happy to see me. That's not so hard to take. You know, although it is in a sense, right? Because normal interactions are pretty shallow. And you think, I don't want shallow interactions. It's like, yes, you do most of the time.”

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  29. “Lot. It's very intense 10 seconds with every person. You think, well, how can 10 seconds be intense? Pay enough attention Gets intense real quick.”

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  30. “There's not much difference between lecture theater and a church in that regard, right? It's the same fundamental layout and structure. And they're very integrally associated with one another. One really grew out of the other. The lecture theater grew out of the church. So it's perfectly reasonable to be thinking about it in those terms. And so, and then, okay, so after the lecture, we play a piece of music that is a piece of music that I've been producing with some musicians for a couple of books I'm going to release in the fall, terrible books, ABC of Childhood Tragedy, they're called Dark. Dark books. Dark and comical books, terrible books. Heartbreaking illustrations. We've set them to be music, and so we play a piece from that. And then afterwards, I usually meet about 150 people to have photographs. And so each of those is a little.”

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  31. “Of course, it's the union of everyone's attention. And that's a great thing. I mean, you love that at a concert when everyone, it's not silenced then, but when everyone's attention is unified and everyone's moving in unison, it's like we're all worshiping the same thing. And that would be the point of the conversation, the point of the lecture and the worship is the direction of attention towards it. And it's communion because everyone's doing it at the same time.”

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  32. “Bet well, and I also here's a good rule if you're learning to speak publicly I never say a word Kill everyone is 100% quiet. It's a great way to start a talk because you're set in the frame, eh? And if the frame is well, I'll talk while you're talking, the message is, well, you can talk. This is a place where everybody can talk. It's like, no, it's not. This is a place where people paid to hear me talk. So I'm not going to talk till everyone's listening. And so then you get that stillness and then you just wait because that stillness turns into an expectation. And then it comes turns into a kind of nervous expectations like what the hell is he doing? It's not manipulative. It's a sense of timing. It's like just when that's right, you think, okay, now it's time to start.”

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  33. “Okay, I got it. But then there's the moment you go out on stage and you think, Well, I know I had it, but can I do it? No notes. And then the question is, well, you're going to find out while you do it. And so then I go out on stage. And I don't talk to the audience. I talk to one person at a time And you can talk to one person, you know, because you know how to do that. So I talk to a person, and not too long because I don't want to make them too nervous, and then someone else and someone else, and then I'm in contact with the audience, and then I can tell if the words are landing and I listen, it's like, are they rustling around? Are they dead quiet? Because you want dead quiet”

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  34. “When I was doing the lectures constantly instead of QAs. Basically, what I was doing was writing a whole book chapter every night And now that's a bit of an exaggeration because I would return to themes that I had developed. But it's not really an exaggeration because I didn't ever just go over rote material ever. So it's very demanding, and that part's nerve wracking because I sit down, it's an hour before the show, and I think. Can I do this? And the answer is well, you did it a thousand times, but that's not this time. Like, can I come up with a question? Can I think through the structure? Can I pull off the spontaneous narrative? Can I pull it together? And the answer is, I don't know. And so then I get it together in my mind, I think. And that's hard. It takes effort and it's nerve-wracking.”

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  35. “I'm very nervous when I'm sitting down thinking through the structure initially, which is why my wife and I have been doing Q&As and that's easier on me.”

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  36. “It's an ordered conversation, but you want there to be play in the system. And if you get that right, then it's really engaging. And then it seems to have its own narrative arc. I'm not trying to impose that, even though that's another thing I don't do. I didn't come to this conversation at all thinking, here's what I want out of a conversation with Lex Friedman, like instrumentally, I thought, I'll go talk to Lex. I like his podcasts He's doing some right I don't know what it is He asks interesting questions. I'll go have a conversation with him. Where's it going to go? Wherever it goes”

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  37. “Subordinates over whom they exercise arbitrary control, wait for a weak moment, and then tear them into shreds, right? Every dictator's terror. And for good reason, and DeWall has showed that the alpha chimps, the males, who do have preferential mating access often, are often and reliably the best peacemakers and the most reciprocal. And so even among chimps, the principle of sovereignty is something like iterated reciprocity. That's a way better principle than power. And it's something like I've been thinking, what's the antithesis of the spirit of power? I think it's the spirit of play. And you know, I don't know what you think about that, but wouldn't you have a good podcast conversation? You already described it in some”

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  38. “They need to be united. And I see the union coming near terms. I talked to friends to wall, for example, about the animating principle of chimpanzee sovereignty. And that's pretty close biologically. Is it power? Because that's the claim even from the biologists often. The most dominant chimp has the best reproductive success. It's like, oh yeah, dominant, hey? You mean using compulsion? Okay, let's look. Are the chimps who use compulsion? The most successful? And the answer is. Sporadically and rarely, and for short, well, that's sporadically, for short periods of time. Why? Because they meet an unpleasant end.”

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  39. “Well, you know, there's two traditions. In some sense, there's two Logos traditions. There's the Greek rational enlightenment tradition. That's a logos tradition. And it insists that there's a logos in nature and that science is the way to approach it. And then there's a Judeo-Christian logos, which is more embodied and more spiritual. And I would say the West is actually an attempt to unite those two. And it's the proper attempt to unite those two.”

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  40. “Well, it's a tough one, right? Because you have to, because if you're a scientist, a materialist, think, well Matter is the most real. It's like, well, you don't know what the matter is. So, and then when push comes to shove and it will, you'll find out what's most real.”

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  41. “How about pain? Why is it the most real? Try arguing it away. So pain is the fundamental reality. All right Well, that's rough That leads denialism and hopelessness. Yeah, doesn't it lead to a philosophy that's antithetical towards being the most fundamental reality is pain? Yes. Is there anything more fundamental than pain? Fear in pain Love and truth. That's what you got. And you know. If they're more powerful than pain. Maybe they're the most real things”

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  42. “That's the thing, man. You're following the thread, eh? The thread Well, that's right. That's what we're trying to do that thread, that thread is the proper balance between structure and spontaneity, and it manifests itself as the instinct of meaning. And that's the logos in the dialogos. And it really is the logos. And God only knows what that means. You know, I mean, the biblical claim is that Logos is the fundamental principle of reality. And I think that's true. I actually think that's true. Because I think that that meaning that guides you, well, here's a way of thinking about it. I've been writing about this recently What's real Matter. It's like, okay, that's one answer. What's real? What matters is real, because that's how you act. Okay, so that's different than matter. Like, okay, what's the most real of what matters?”

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  43. “About the timeframe. There'll be a natural narrative arc. And then, so you'll kind of know when the midpoint is, and you'll kind of see when you're reaching a conclusion. And then if you really pay attention, you can see that's a good place to stop. Kind of you come to a point You have to be alert and patient to see that, and you have to be willing to be satisfied with where you've got to. But if you do that, and then it's like a comedian making the punchline work. Got all these balls in the air, and they're going somewhere, and this is how they come together. And people love that, right? They say, oh, this and this and this and this and this. Whack together. And that's an insight. And it is very much like a punchline.”

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  44. “Well, then they'll strike me. It's like, okay, there's something there that I've been maybe noodling around on that I would like to investigate further. Then I think, okay, how can I approach this problem? I think, well, I have this story that I know this story and I have this story, but I haven't juxtaposed them before. And there's going to be some interesting interaction in the juxtaposition. So I have the question, and I kind of have a framework of interpretation, and then I have some potential narrative places I can go. And then I think, okay, I can go juggle that and see what happens. And so then what I want to do is concentrate on that process while attending to the audience to make sure that the words are landing. And then see if I can delve into it deeply enough so that a narrative emerges spontaneously with an ending. Now, I'm sure you've experienced this in podcasts, right? Maybe I'm wrong, but my experience has been if I fall into the conversation, and we know.”

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  45. “What question am I trying to investigate? I have to have that. That's the point. What mystery am I trying to unravel? It's usually associated with one of the rules in my book because technically it's a book tour, but each of those rules is an investigation into an ethic. And each of them points to a deeper sort of mystery in some sense. There's no end to the amount it can be explored. And so I have the question. The question might be something like Put your house in perfect order before you criticize the world. What does that mean exactly? What does house mean? What does put mean that active verb? What is perfect and order mean? Why before you criticize the world? What does it mean to criticize? What does it mean to criticize the world? How can you do that properly or improperly? So I start to think about how to decompose the question.”

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  46. “Yeah, that gives me that wakes me up again for the evening. And then Tam has to sleep longer. She's still recovering from her illness. And so she has to sleep longer in the afternoon. And that's absolutely necessary for both of us or things start to get frayed. And so then we go to the venue. And then I usually sit for An hour if I'm going to lecture. I've been doing a lot of QAs, and that's a little easier. But if I'm going to lecture, I have to sit for an hour. And then I think, okay.”

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  47. “Typing. Yeah, typing. Then we land and we go to, it's usually early afternoon by then, we go to a hotel. It's usually a nice hotel that's not corporate. I don't really like corporate hotels. My secretary and one of my logistics guys has got quite good at picking kind of adventurous hotels, boutique hotels. They're usually in the old parts of the city, especially in Europe, somewhere interesting. And so we go there. Lunch usually, and sometimes that's an air fryer and a steak in the hotel room, and I leave a trail of air fryers behind me across the world. And then... Tammy and I usually go out and have a walk or something and take a look at the city. And then I have a rest for like an hour and a half or an hour, half an hour.”

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  48. “4,000 people typically. So then I'm on the plane. And I usually write or often because there's no internet on the plane and that's a good use of time. So I'm writing a new book. So I write on the plane.”

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  49. “You're constantly flying somewhere. We usually use private flights now because the commercial airlines aren't reliable enough and you cannot not make a venue. So that's rule number one on a tour. You make the show Everything, and then number rule number two is anybody who causes any trouble on the tour is gone because there is zero room for error. No, there's zero room for unnecessary, unaddressed error. So there's going to be errors. The guys I have around me now. They make a mistake, they fix it right away. So, and that's great”

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  50. “And how is that Well, if you have to only eat one thing. Know could be worse. So, anyways, I'm ready to go at eight because we're generally moving.”

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