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  1. Yeah, if you want to make stuff together, hit records. That's kind of what it's for. And I am on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram. So you can check those out too.

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  2. That's not what's going to ultimately make you happy. That ties back to the fame question. What's going to make you happy is if you have that urge to do it. And that's kind of where HitRCOC came from for me. And that's what I hope that it can continue to be for most of the people that come aren't necessarily trying to be pros. There are some that are. And oftentimes those are the folks that end up leading. But most people are just having a good time making stuff together. And I never want HitRCORCORCORCO to lose that

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  3. Let out of you, and you don't have to measure it up against, well, but if I put my song on the internet or my story, is it going to get enough likes? Or are they going to think that I suck? Who fucking cares? That's really not

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  4. If you wanted to hear music, well, there wasn't a radio and there wasn't a gramophone. If you wanted to hear music, it was going to be because your uncle happened to play an instrument or something. And you would hear music because not because you were listening to professionals play it or a recording of a professional playing it. You would hear your close people around you, friends, family. That's the original meaning of folk music. And in fact, it's also the original meaning of pop music, popular music, popular meaning people. It's people. And I think that's the same goes for storytelling or for art of any kind, really. There's something really beautiful about people who aren't necessarily trying to be the next superstar, but who have that creativity in them and want to do stuff with it. I think that's also really important.

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  5. I think that's equally important. That's sort of a part of creative culture that in a certain way I feel like we lose track of sometimes in this world where Silicon Valley is so excited to say to everybody, we're democratizing media and entertainment and now anybody can be a superstar. Like that's cool. But in older times

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  6. You know, the last thing that I might say, and it does connect to a lot of the other things we were saying, is Just then when you were talking about how If you want to do X, go and do X. If you want to learn to do something, if you're considering a career, for example, as a musician or as a writer or an animator, maybe a hit record might be a cool step. Just talk about the other side of the coin, which is without any goal at all. If it just feels good to you, maybe you don't want to be a professional artist of any kind. But I think there's. There's a lot of people out there who have that urge to make stuff that Necessarily want to dedicate their entire life to it.

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  7. Not anyone can just stroll on and offer their ideas, throw in their two cents or write a scene. Those doors aren't open. Whereas on Hit Record, anybody can. And then there's the whole process of finding, okay, well, if anybody can come in and try to make stuff, you need people that are going through all the contributions and finding the ones that are the most applicable that can be useful in the final production. It's sort of its own beast and one I've come to really love. But it takes some getting used to for sure. And so I totally agree. Get started by finding someone on there who you admire you think is good at what they do and see what they're up to and see if you can help them.

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  8. But they need those contributions to come in. And that's the best way to start getting involved. If you show up on HitRecord and immediately say, I'm starting my own project, it's sort of like walking into a production company as the first day on the job entry level and saying like, okay, everybody, follow me. I'm going to lead this whole company in a project now. It might work sometimes, but more often it's better to, like you say, work on other people's stuff first, get your feet wet, and learn how it goes. The way things get made on Hit Record is really different than the way things get made in anywhere else in the world, sort of, because It's this open collaborative process. It's very different than, I mean, there are similarities and differences to, say, a conventional movie set. But on a conventional movie set,

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  9. Well, it's funny you say that because actually that's one of the things we tell people who just join is don't start out by starting your own thing. Find someone else's thing that you like and help them and contribute. There's lots of people on there, talented people, who've got their own projects going, and they need contributions, whether it's music or a writing project or a film project or a design project. We kind of do all kinds of media.

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  10. It's about like. Can we make together And to me, it really feels like that's. That's the promise of the internet as a whole connecting to be productive together, not just to kind of like be endlessly entertained and fed ads. And that's what I hope to. Try to foster.

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  11. Maybe 10 years ago or so, or even a little more when kind of what's been called Web 2.0 was starting up when YouTube emerged and things like that, I was really optimistic about that. And I think everyone was this is going to change the media. This is going to democratize media. This is going to make it so that the media is no longer about celebrity and narcissism and things like that. It's going to be about substance and beauty. Obviously, hasn't quite come to pass. I think I was maybe a little over-optimistic. And I don't think that hit record is necessarily like the antidote, the be-all and end-all. But it is our, and I say our community now. 600,000 people, but it's our stab at a different way of doing it where you don't come on and just say, hey, world, look at me, look at me, look at me, look what I'm doing, look what I made.

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  12. Yeah, I mean, look, I love. Movies, and I hope I get to keep working on them and buy movies. I mean, whether it's movies or TV or whatever, it's all kind of blending together now. I hope I get to keep doing that my whole life, but it's what I would really like to do is try to find a way to ultimately blend. My conventional career in show business with what we're doing on HitRecord. And I think that's still a while away before those two sides will really... Meld together. But one does kind of feed the other. Certainly whenever I Have some success if I'm in a movie that comes out that does well, hit record, sees a spike in interest, et cetera. I love the idea of the media being something different than what it's been. And I think, frankly,

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  13. I think she really wanted to make sure I had that out. And I eventually did take the out later in life. But it gets back to what you were saying of doing something because you really want to do it. And that's that intrinsic motivation as opposed to extrinsic. If it's really, really something you want to do way down there, there's kind of no substitute for that.

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  14. You're enjoying it. I can tell that you really enjoy it, but if at any point you don't want to, you should just stop. And she wasn't saying it in any kind of like manipulative way. I realized that wasn't a wink, wink. If you want to stop. No, um.

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  15. Very young. Yeah. And, uh, My mom asked me if I wanted to do it. I had been singing in a choir and was in some community theater and having grown up in LA, some of the kids that were in my community theater were going on auditions for commercials and shows and stuff and she asked if I wanted to do that. And I said, yeah. And I was really liked it. But there would be moments sometimes. Or I'd be like, oh, I don't feel like going on an audition today or whatever. And she would always say, you really don't have to do this. I want to make sure you never feel like you have to. We're only doing this because

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  16. At this point, you know what? I wanted to just jump back one second because what you said reminded me of. Something that I think sort of ties a lot of what we've been talking about together. And that's when I first started acting, I was young. I was like six

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  17. To accomplish And we're now looking to accomplish even more ambitious things that have kind of come to realize oh, you know, if we're going to do more than just one TV show at a time, if we're going to make lots of things involved. We need to make this thing work as a business in addition to an art project. And it's something we've, that I'm actually excited about recently. It's sort of what I've been focusing on is figuring out not how to, you know, I don't want to like change it really, but just how to figure out how to, I guess, arrange it and make it work and so that it can really grow and make it more accessible to more people. That's what we've been focused on

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  18. It was always more of an art project, even though it actually has become profitable over the last four years. It's paid for itself. I bankrolled it at first and then it started paying for itself. But I remember people years ago saying, how are you going to build it to scale? And I'd be like, oh, I don't know what that means. So I'm going to pretend like I don't care. And it's only now that we've sort of accomplished some of the things that we looked.

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  19. Maybe I'll rewrite it, or maybe I'll draw something based on what you wrote, and then maybe someone else will be like, oh, I like your drawing. Maybe I'll animate your drawing and seeing what can kind of come out of that. And it started working. And that was in 2010. We launched it. And it's grown a lot since then. We did those things. We made short films that got into Sundance and we published books and we put out records and we even made a TV show that won an Emmy. And we've paid artists a couple million dollars now over the years. And the funny thing, actually, what comes to mind speaking to you is because you really come from the world of entrepreneurship and business. And we never treated it that way. I mean, it...

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  20. Sort of collaborative process that was happening within this community on this message board. Would there be a way to have that operate on a grander scale? Could we make things that were sort of at a Quality level could we make like a short film that would get into sundance or could we make music that we could release as a record? Could we make a book that we published or could we even maybe one day use this methodology to make a TV show? These are the kinds of things we were wondering and we set about figuring out how to do it and we started a company and hired lawyers to figure out the terms of service because for the intellectual property of it and everything because we really wanted to maintain the collaborative spirit of people not just sort of submitting a short film and being like, hey, I'm now posting my short film to your website. Will you try to get it into Sundance for me? But instead having there be a community of people that are working together and saying like, well, I can do this, well, I can do this. And, oh, you wrote something. Well,

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  21. Both with each other and with me. And we saw that, I say we, I mean my brother and I, and we're like, that's cool. That's really new. That's unlike anything you could have done prior to this new technology. And it's different than just playing videos on the internet because that's kind of just like TV, except on a different screen. But if people were actually making things together through the screen, now you're really kind of like doing something new. And we leaned into that. And at this time, it was nothing but a hobby. We weren't spending any money. We had no intention of making any money. It was just something we were doing for fun. Spent a lot of time on it and had a lot of fun. But it grew. And then I started thinking and talking with friends of mine about how

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  22. We put a message board on there, like one of those old PHP message boards for the techies out there. It looks not too dissimilar from popular message boards nowadays like Reddit or something, but kind of the ancestor of that. And anybody could kind of start their own. It was easy if you knew how to do a little code. My brother was a coder. So he helped put up this message board and we watched as this little community formed on a message board. Around at first around these little videos that I was making, but what we noticed that was cool was while some people came and posted on the message board just to like talk to me about what I was doing or what I had made, what a lot of people actually wanted to do was make things together.

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  23. Yeah I mentioned earlier that right around that time I learned to edit. And so I was finally able to kind of start making things on my own, finished things. And this is like 2004 ish. So a little before YouTube. And I wanted to Put the little videos I was starting to make on the internet, and my brother helped me set up a little website called Hit Record. And we named it after this little mantra that I was saying to myself. And it was nothing. It was just a page of HTML where you could download a couple of Quick Times of videos I had made. Over the next few years, I would sometimes put a new video on there, things like that.

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  24. It's changed a lot since then. Well, I mean, I guess I'll just tell the whole long story, right? That's the beauty of a podcast.

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  25. And the play on hit record is that hit record is an object, but to hit record is in action is doing something. Anyway, these are the kinds of things that I would stay up late at night. I'm musing about.

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  26. Well, it was in the midst of those exact times when I was wanting to get jobs. Trying to get jobs, failing to get jobs, and feeling like fuck, I can't. I can't keep waiting around for someone else to let me be creative. I have to be able to do it on my own. Record became this little turn of phrase that I would say to myself in those moments, like a little word play about the record button. Hearkening back to the little videos I would make on family video camera that had a red circle with REC over it. And when you hit record, you start to do it. And of course, it's sort of a play on a hit record. And that was just my little, almost kind of personal mantra or something that I had to be the one to do it. I wanted to push the button. I wasn't going to wait to just be an actor and stand in front of the camera. I wanted to hit record.

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  27. Yeah, I mean, I think I probably felt like I had something to prove when she and I first met, I was 19. And I was up against exactly that moment that we were just talking about where I wanted to do. Movie that might play at Sundance. And all my agents thought that I was that I should just sign up for another TV comedy for the next five years and had no belief that I could do anything other than that. And the casting directors seemed to agree with them. Yeah, I was really worried. And feeling insecure about that.

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  28. That's funny. I think she's comparing it to Zoe and I have done two movies together 500 days a summer. I guess eight years prior, we did this movie together called Manic. It was a little known tiny budget. Indie drama, which was really, really heavy. So that might have contributed something to it that we were subject matter, right? Yeah, we were making a movie about kids in a psychiatric lockdown facility.

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  29. It gets a lot at what we've been talking about in terms of being intrinsically motivated, which is so important when especially, I think, if you're going to be an artist, although maybe no matter what you do. And it's all about how you have to just go. Into yourself and do your very, very best to. Let everything outside of that Fade away And find What's really, really going on in just your own Whatever you want to call it, your own psyche, your own self, your own whatever. I think In terms of the kind of dark moments you're talking about where you're facing that kind of rejection, when the world is telling you you're not going to do what you want to do, we don't want you. What really worked for me was Just kind of ignoring that and finding Finding motivation and want to keep making things not for them.

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  30. But I was actually surprised because I thought it was really good And I thought I kind of thought it would A dear friend of mine who's a filmmaker, Ryan Johnson is his name, who I've been in two of his movies, his first movie Brick, and then his third movie Looper. And he recently just made Star Wars the Last Jedi. He's a great, great filmmaker, but also a dear friend. And I remember at that time having just gotten rejected by the Con Film Festival, he recommended that I read letters to a young poet. Real gay, Rainer Real Gay. Sort of, I think, a known book, but there's a There's a passage in there all about solitude and.

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  31. That's just it. I remember it was during this same time that I was trying to become an actor again and failing. Getting rejected a lot. This is right when I started really taking seriously editing and making my own stuff Because I kind of came to realize all right, I can't just wait around for someone to give me a part. It's too painful. I have to be able to. Get the joy that I get through creativity on my own. And I remember it was around that time I made a little short film and I submitted it to the Confilm Festival. It was in French, and I did it anonymously. I didn't go through my agent or anything. I wanted to see what would happen if I just didn't pull any of the strings or use any of the connections I had from having worked in show business before. And the short film did not get into the Confilm Festival.

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  32. Yeah, it might have been that. I think I just heard it from my wife, honestly. She might have gotten, if not that book, she might have gotten it from. She's read a fair amount about child development. And that is something that we talk about in terms of parenting, wanting the kid to be intrinsically motivated. And when you overstimulate a kid. Can lead to always chasing that sort of outside approval, which then leads to in your adult, then if you can't sort of find satisfaction in yourself, you're always going to go looking for it elsewhere. And that might take shape in any number of forms, whether it's looking for ending up in a codependent relationship or an addiction to something or who knows what, or something much more subtle than that. I think actually you who thought of it, and I think it probably was in terms of child development.

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  33. That's a great question Well, the first thing is simply just having good people around you. And I had that. But I think the People who love you no matter what. And I'm lucky to have had that. Beyond that, this goes back to what we were just talking about a minute ago of being intrinsically or extrinsically motivated. I think those are the moments, hey, it's easy to be extrinsically motivated when the world's just giving you a bunch of thumbs ups.

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  34. Yeah, really, really, really well done, I think. Which isn't to say that he didn't tell me about the opportunity costs because he did. That's his job. But Wendy would tell me about the opportunity costs, he wouldn't do it in any kind of passive, aggressive way or let me threaten me. He would just be telling me the truth. And that's what's so good about him as an agent. He really just tells me.

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  35. Thank you. Thank you. And one I'm very proud of and remember very fondly Warren was the only one really who kind of kept calling me and saying I think you could be good at doing the things that you want to do. And he's still my agent. And he was the one sort of trying to coax me back into acting when I was taking a break for college. But all these years later, when I had kids, he didn't say one thing like that because he knows me too well and we're friends and he wouldn't. He had nothing but respect for me taking the time off that I did and any agents out there listening take note.

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  36. Once my heat had died all the way down and in my early 20s, and I wanted to get back into acting. By the way, I had been known for being on like a TV comedy and stuff, and I didn't want to do that anymore. I wanted to do, you know, sort of dramatic and independent films and stuff. And no one really thought that I could do that. And no one really thought that I was going to have much more of a career. I thought, you know, I think pretty much all of my agents thought, well, you're that kid that was on that show and that's where it ends. And that's what happens with most kids who are on shows for better or worse. What was the show?

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  37. That's funny because what that makes me think of is so I have a longtime agent named Wardens of Allah who He was actually an agent of mine assistant when I quit acting and went to school. And he was the one calling me when I was at school saying, like, I know you're going to school, but you might want to consider getting back into acting. And then...

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  38. Such high stakes choices that I feel bad even already just saying what I said because I don't want to imply that if someone wasn't able to What they've got to do. That said, I love having had the chance to. Work less and spend more time with my kids. And I do think it's wonderful that there are some countries in the world that Afford people maternity leave and even paternity leave that's a lot less common in the US. And I was just fortunate enough to. Have made money in my life where I can afford to do it.

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  39. But it's really emotionally driven who gets hired as an actor. So, it's a lot about quote unquote heat. And if you stop, your heat's going to die down. It's a real opportunity cost of taking a break, but the two big breaks that you're talking about, one when I... Quit acting for a while to go to college, and another recently I had kids and took a lot of time off. And I'm still kind of taking up, I'm working a lot less right now than I was before I had kids. Of course, there's a professional opportunity cost there, but it's a pretty simple comparison. Like, what do I care about more? I don't want to say that. I mean, look, talking about parenting is really, really tough because I have found as a parent because everybody's got their own life. Everybody's got a unique scenario. And everybody makes their choices. And those choices are...

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  40. Yeah, well, certainly you're right. The FOMO is real, and it's not just a fear. Because I think maybe even more in show business than maybe any other industry in a certain way. It's, you know, who gets a job as an actor is very... Very emotionally driven. Studios have some metrics and stuff that they look at and they have their math formulas about what actors are in, what movies that make what amounts of money. Compared to, say, what goes on in Silicon Valley, which is really, really data-driven, by the way, only having learned what that even means fairly recently.

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  41. At all. And that's probably why it scares me also because I've felt it in myself. It's very seductive, and I'm sure I've been guilty of it in moments or in big times. I've been very guilty of it at times, I'm sure. But I really try to keep an eye on it because I've kind of seen what it can do to other people and even to myself.

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  42. You know what? Sorry. I want to hear what you're going to say. But I just want to also add, I think it's important because I just sort of pointed my finger at others. I want to say I'm not entirely innocent of that.

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  43. Because if you want to be a musician, you want to be an actor, a lot of people, I imagine the people you're describing who really want to be famous, they want to be famous by becoming actors or becoming musicians or becoming some of the other kind of artists. And again, it's complicated because on the one hand, it might mean that, well, that means that my work is resonating with lots of people and that's not necessarily bad. But if you're only doing it for that. I feel like that's kind of hollow. And I personally feel like I can hear it in like or see it in someone's performance. I won't. Name any artist in particular, but there are sometimes I'll see a performance in a movie or like I'll hear a song and I'll be like, I just feel like they're They're performing for their Their fame, not for themselves, for something that's inside of them.

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  44. And I think that's a recipe for unhappiness, usually. Not absolutely. This isn't a case of black or white. And there's plenty of virtue to wanting to do things that will make other people. I think that that can be unhealthy or it can really do a number on your head. I've seen it and I've spent my whole life kind of trying to avoid that sometimes probably overzealously and I'm sometimes kind of overprotective or overly allergic to the trappings of fame, etc. But I'm so I think scared of falling down that rabbit hole of becoming overly extrinsically motivated that I really try to stay away and especially when it comes to art, which art and fame have are sort of odd bed fellows.

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  45. Seeing yourself through the eyes of others more and more of the time. And you start, and I think social media is really like created a giant leap forward in this direction. And it's the kind of thing that used to be reserved for Very famous people who are maybe stocked by paparazzi or whatever, but now everybody's their own paparazzi. And so I feel like I see it a lot where There's a good word to describe it, which I learned recently. Which is intrinsic versus extrinsic if you're intrinsically motivated, it means that your motivation for whatever it might be is kind of coming from within yourself versus being extrinsically motivated is when your motivation is coming from without from other people, from wanting to do things because of how other people will perceive it.

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  46. If you go back, I like to think of things in terms of how it evolved. And I like to think of early humans, like at the beginning of 2001 or something. And if you go back to early, early human-like creatures out on the savannah trying to survive, it probably was an advantage if everyone in your tribe or your pack or whatever you want to call it knew you. Probably meant that you were more likely to survive and pass on your genes. And Think there is something biological in us that wants that attention. And so it's not evil if you feel that urge. I think it's pretty natural. But I think that urge now in the context of modern civilization can be really addictive and sort of poisonous because what happens is you start

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  47. Yeah, for sure. There are real life trade offs like that. Although I would say the thing that's much more impactful isn't real life invasion of privacy in your physical space. It's more an invasion into your mental space, into your own identity. And I don't think this is just restricted to being famous and especially now that the lines have been blurred so much between who's famous and who's not famous. It used to be much more clear-cut, but nowadays you can be, like you said, on Instagram with a certain number of followers and you can have fame is much more of a spectrum now. And I think... It can be really toxic because it's really addictive, I think. And I think there's a reason for it. I don't think it's like evil or something.

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  48. That's really what we all want is to be happy. Depending on how you define the word happiness, but I think that sort of is the definition of happiness in a way, is what we want to be. And the people that I know that Whatever amount of fame, some of them are happy, some of them are not happy, and the fame isn't what makes them happy. Makes somebody happy, I think, is. Do you have your health? Do you have good people around you? Do you get to do things that you like doing? And that's where it gets complicated because sometimes having a certain amount of fame does allow you to do the things that you want to do. So, it's not as a simple answer

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  49. From what I've seen and experienced, Fame doesn't necessarily make you happy And I think the assumption on the part of the people you're describing is that if they get a certain amount famous, then they'll be happy.

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  50. And depending on the director you're working with, sometimes you can come in and say, you know, hey, can I say this a little bit differently? That goes back to what we were saying about a director before. That's exactly one of those moments where a director has to go, huh, we've been sitting with that line that way for all this time. And now I have to tell the actor yes or no, yes, you can change it or no, don't. And there's ways to approach that. You can always say, let's try it both ways. Or sometimes I found usually the actors are right. And the dialogue that I wrote was much improved by the actors in Don John, Scarlett Johansson and Julianne Moore and other ones too who said lines that were ultimately sometimes subtly different, sometimes quite a bit different than what I wrote. And I think really benefited

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