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  1. Sure. Well, yeah, I mean, just watching these people do these amazing things is a lot of fun. I mean, that's part of the great part of the job. You work.

    2016-01-28 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 27 - Juliet Macur · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. I still love watching sports. I mean, I think it's better at a lower level now, even though I'm sure there's a lot of bad things going on at these lower levels. Well, I could watch basketball at any level and think that it's the greatest sport ever and try to turn off my journalism switch and just be a fan because I grew up in a town in Bridgewater, New Jersey that was like the Hoosiers of New Jersey. It's like everybody in the town went to basketball games on Friday nights. It was a lot of fun. So I could still watch things and enjoy it, but at the Olympics, if you see somebody break a 100 meter record, can you enjoy it for that split second? Yes, but can a second later you wonder how we can do it?

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  3. No, I mean, if there was a tip that somebody said that Pedro Martinez was using drugs, that, you know, I'd be the first person on it. And I think that the people I interview know that. I said to somebody said, do you have many friends in sports after all these years? And I said, well, unfortunately, I really, I can't say that I'm friends with any athletes. And that's not my job to be friends with them. I'm certainly friendly with them, and some of them know a little bit about me and my family, and I know about theirs. But I think they know that I draw the line to my job, and I'm going to write what truth is. And, you know, if you're not doing any bad things, then you could take my calls.

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  4. Right. Oh, he was good. He was a natural talent. I mean, there are a lot of drugs coming out of the Dominican Republic, and of course they have a lot to. Those kids have a lot to shoot for when they're trying to get out of there to make big money. They grow up, you know, some of them grow up pretty poor areas. Not too much. But he was a very genuine person, and I've interviewed him many times, and I think that he was one of the good guys.

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  5. A message from the sponsors. Pedro Martinez, former pitcher, was a, he's pretty authentic. I can't tell if somebody's doping or cheating, but he's had the arms of a 14-year-old girl. So I'm thinking that he probably wasn't using that many steroids or any steroids.

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  6. Well, you have to do your job. I mean, I have to do my job. And, you know, he was cheating a lot of people, cheated a lot of guys who were clean, trying to ride in the tour de France. You know, people picked their heroes and they have to be careful. That's sort of my warning all the time.

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  7. Yeah, he's a journalist too. So he's used to it already being tortured by me. Coming into this children's hospital, sitting on the bed with his son, and sang like, hey, you know, you could make it. Look, I did. And, you know, his voice was cracking and he was calling me all these sorts of names. And then, you know, I remember, I mean, I must have been shaking when I hung up the phone and I said, like, oh God, like. What am I doing?

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  8. Right. He tried to hide my phone, but I found it. But yeah, I turned it on. And we had just written about Floyd Landis, who was the former teammate who wrote, who said that Lance had doped and the whole U.S. Postal Team doped. And that was the beginning of Lance's big fall. So I had written a lot about Lance before then. And then I had a couple strong stories before I went off to my honeymoon in Bali. And I remember getting a phone call from your.

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  9. Well, it makes me sound terrible, but I don't think so. I mean, I remember once when we had. It was right when I was going on my honeymoon. It was the morning of my honeymoon I should not have checked my machine at work. But we had just written about it.

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  10. No, I said as I said this many times and I wrote about it in the book, I think Lance Armstrong did more for cancer awareness than anyone in the history of cancer awareness, you know, with the yellow wristbands. Everybody was wearing them. John Gary was wearing them on the, you know, as he was running for president. All over the world, they were wearing them. Millions of people. And people really paid a lot of attention to that and gave a lot millions of dollars to that because of Lance Armstrong. But that doesn't mean that he's a dirty lying cheat, one of the biggest cheaters in sporting history, because he lied to those people who thought he was a god, looked to him for inspiration for cancer, and lied to their faces. Did you have any...

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  11. I thought it was a challenge. I thought, you know, I know this guy's doping because his teammates said he basically said he was. You know, that guy Tyler Hamilton said the sport is clean when I know he was dirty. He was a terrible liar. So, you know, it's fun when somebody says you're never going to do anything. I'm going to try to intimidate you. And my lucky for me, I have this great job at the New York Times that allows me to write things that people actually listen to.

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  12. Did you feel challenged by that? Well, yeah. I mean, the good thing was I didn't really care about cycling. This is the one good thing about me not being much of a sports person. You know, like my whole career as in sports and I could never see myself leaving, that's totally not me. But the good thing was I don't care about covering the Tour de France. I could care less about having any access to Lance Armstrong.

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  13. Exactly. See, that I mean, that's exactly what it was. It was spin, right? Everybody's trying to spin and control people. It's exactly like politics. How do we control this story?

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  14. And he said, I failed journalism school. And then Lance had called somebody at the AP and they wrote a whole story saying how Lance said I was a hack and I was the worst journalist ever. It was like a hatchet job. And I remember my mom seeing that story. And she's saying, you should have gone into politics where they treat you.

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  15. Well, the first story I ever written about him specifically was actually wasn't even about him specifically, was his two teammates who came forward to us and said they had used a blood booster, say EPO and sort of an endurance booster to help him win the Tour de France. And that day that it ran, his lawyer had called me and said he was going to sue me if I ever wrote about Lance again.

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  16. This is a dirty sport. Still dirty. So after that, I was really interested in the Lance Armstrong story because nobody had been able to break it. I mean, had been going on for many, many years, and a journalist named David Walsh who worked for the Sunday Times in London had been chasing after him for years and writing books about him that hinted about his doping. But nobody ever bought it. Everybody who was in love with him because of the cancer story just thought he was perfect. So I chased after him for about ten years before we slowly over the years we started breaking stories about his teammates doping, admitted to us for the first time that they had doped to help Lance win. That was in 2006, so slowly we were chipping away at it until he was exposed in the end.

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  17. Well, in two thousand four when I first started at the time, our cycling writer didn't want to cover the story about this guy named Tyler Hamilton. He had tested positive and he was supposedly the nicest guy ever. And the cycling writer said, I'm not going to write about that because he's too nice. He would never take drugs. So I was assigned to covering the story about Tyler Hamilton, who was Lance Armstrong's former teammate, former lieutenant, which is a guy who helps him up in the mountains and helps him win the tour de France. And along this interview, which took me probably about a week and a half because I chased him around the country as he tried to avoid me. Eventually I was in his car and I said, yeah, it's too bad that you're in a sport like cycling, which has such a long history of doping. And he turned to me with these like puppy dog eyes. Like, what a nice guy, kind of face, and said, there's no doping and cycling. It's a clean sport. And then at that moment, I thought, oh God, he's lying.

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  18. That's the problem, and he's, you know, the owners see Roger Goodell as the guy who ushered in the richest era of the NFL, and that's all they care about. And fans have to know that this is what they're watching, that they're watching a sport that's hurting their athletes. Not everybody's going to have this problem. But if you're predisposed to it or if you have terrible concussion, if you have massive headaches at the end of your life or you die early or if you're a guy like Dave Dewerson who had so much depression and so many problems that he shot himself in the chest so they could preserve his brain.

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  19. Reached out, his family had reached out to me. He was homeless mentally ill, had drug problems, was living on the street in Florida. I did a long interview with him, and he said he thought his problems came from football because it happened right.

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  20. I don't think you can. I think that's the problem that people have to reconcile themselves with watching a sport in which your heroes will be losing their minds later on in their life, you know, getting these neurological diseases or Alzheimer's or Parkinson's and all these things that go along with hitting your brain over and over again. And last year I wrote about a college player, former college player at the University of North Carolina who was.

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  21. I don't think you can ever do enough when it comes to these things. They always say like, well, why is it, why is there so much negative publicity or negative stories about the NFL? They want you to write about all the positives things going on in the NFL. Well, it's kind of hard when this issue is still going on. I mean, repetitive head trauma doesn't stop just because the NFL now recognizes recognizes it and say, yes, it could be a problem. I mean, you wonder all the guys you're going to see in this weekend's championship. But how do you have a violent sport?

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  22. No one ever took any time off. Doctors didn't even write anything down about his head injuries. Ever in his all of his medical reports which I went through there wasn't one mention of a concussion or being knocked out which he was on live television. So that's a problem. Where do you think the league is now?

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  23. He has Alzheimer's, the beginnings of Alzheimer's. And to sit with somebody for a week who's basically their mind is going very slowly is really had quite an effect on me in the way I look at football. I mean, he was sad that he never played basketball because he had the opportunity to play high-level basketball, that he chose the wrong sport. And back then, they were having, you know, they had really big hits. It was calling your bell rung and you almost like pat on the back for it.

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  24. Well, did they upset it anyway even when all this stuff about Ray Rice came out when the video came out of a, he's a former Baltimore Ravens running back was punched his Than fianc ⁇ was on video. People got upset for a while, but going back to the NFL as if nothing happened. And the bigger problem with the NFL for me is Or I guess just as big as the concussion problems, which they obviously have proven that they knew it for years, that these repetitive hits are hurting people's brains. And for me, I interviewed my first interview with an old-time player about it was Rayfield Wright, who was a former Dallas Cowboys Hall of Famer, a Hall of Famer from the Dallas Cowboys.

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  25. Hm, let's see how I could try. It's tough after all these years of being a sports writer, I realize it's less. Joy than it should be. You hear about all these scandals, including the one about tennis. I'm not surprised because people have been talking about match fixing and tennis for a long time. But I think they're always the good guys in each sport, no matter how corrupt it is. Roger Federer spoke out about the match fixing. He wants names of the people who took money and who threw their matches. And I can't say for 100% sure that Roger Federer is the is perfectly a perfect athlete and has never done anything wrong in his life, but he comes pretty close. I mean, if you cover somebody for a long time, you sort of understand which side of the line they stand on. And I guess you have to find who your hero might be and realize that they might disappoint you, but you could put your blinders on and move forward and try to cheer for them anyway.

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  26. The guy, Michelle Platini, who was supposed to be the successor to the longtime president of FIFA Set Bladder, he took $2 million from FIFA and, oh, he forgot to mention it to anybody. Didn't anybody get a receipt for that? So it's so corrupt. It's really amazing at every level, at every step of the way. So match fixing, I think, is Something that we'll be talking a lot about in the future.

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  27. I have no idea, but there is a lot of match fixing questions in soccer. You know, there's been match fixing problems for many, many years. We haven't gotten to that level yet, and you'd be naive to think that there was never that problem in FIFA because really on every level, if you could steal money anywhere, in any level of whether it's the sports marketing or the television rights or the, you know, how much do you want for a vote to have a country win the World Cup? I mean, everywhere you could get money. People were right. Well, and Russia, maybe, you know, they're investigating it. But anywhere you could get money, people were skimming off the top or getting bribes.

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  28. That's the question that we're going to talk about in the seminar today, actually. You could be a FIFA representative from a small island in the Caribbean and be pretty powerful in your country and go to FIFA, get a thirty thousand dollars watch from somebody. FIFA president can come to your country, give you $250,000 worth of playing fields, and give you a nice jacket that says FIFA on it. And I don't think you're going to be the person who raises their hand and say, I don't want to accept this $30,000 watch. And the nature of the scan.

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  29. Of course. Well, yeah, they don't have all. I was having this discussion with someone the other day. They're not all old white men, and neither is IOC, but even if they're not old and white, they still kind of act like old white men. So there's still that kind of corruption that goes through generations of these people who take these positions and FIFA's full of them.

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  30. I think it would have been great for Chicago. I'm waiting for the US to get the Olympics back. The problem is everybody hates us So, I don't think I hope that I get to see it in my lifetime. So my daughter gets a chance to feel the Olympic spirit in her own country. I know in 84 when it was in Los Angeles, that made a huge impact on me as a young athlete. I mean, my daughter's only four, so the USOC has a couple years to work on this.

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  31. People have been trading votes for so long and they have their buddies that they have been dealing with politically in the IOC for so long. It just didn't have been

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  32. Right, yeah. Right, exactly. It was a shock, but you have to consider the International Olympic Committee is all about old white men who have been giving votes for. That's true, yeah. That's good, but not enough, evidently. In the IOC for that long, it just was.

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  33. Well, it was completely political. I mean, you can almost hear them trading votes when we're sitting in the room waiting for the votes to come down, but for the results to come down, but it was really shocking to everybody. I know that I had a story saying that Chicago won the Olympics. We had to have all these stories ready to go for the web.

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  34. This is hard for me to say. I love the Olympics, and I would have loved to have the Olympics in Chicago. The bad thing about them losing the Olympics was they would have used a lot of existing stadiums. Yes. And it was, I thought it was a great plan. But of course, they had to go to Rio because of the politics of it.

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  35. Well, when I was walking around China basically by myself with an interpreter, I had asked some athletes there about doping and nobody really, of course, wanted to admit that they had been doping. But it was pretty obvious. I mean, the effects of steroid use, you could kind of tell when a woman has been on steroids for a long time. I think it was pervasive in China, whether it is now, I don't know. But anytime a country wants to win gold medals and when it stands for something more than just winning when it stands for like we win gold medals and look how powerful our nation is something like Russia was thinking I'm sure China's thinking the same thing and in Kenya they have a really big doping problem when it comes to their long distance runners, middle and long distance runners. They have no anti-doping agency. That's what they're known for is these long distance runners, but they're not tested at all. So I don't know whether it's systematic there, but certainly people are...

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  36. I'm not sure. I mean, what I think should happen is that they should be cut from the Olympics. But politics runs sports. It runs every single sport American, especially the International Olympic Committee. I think that they don't have the guts enough to kick somebody out of the Olympics for that, which is sad because there are a lot of athletes, especially here in the US and the UK. They're anti-doping agencies very good. I'm sure there are lots of dopers or at least some dopers in the system, but they are tested very well and under a very strict supervision. So I think there'll be a lot of cheaters who are at the Olympics if Russia is allowed in the Olympics.

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  37. Is going to be a downer. Pick out the three or four questions that I just asked that you like the best and answer me. Well, in terms of the Russian problem, I mean, most of the systematic doping found to be inside the Russian track and field association. And I've covered doping for the last 14 years of my career, and I can't tell you that I was very surprised. I think they should be kicked out of the Olympics, and not only just the track and field association, but the entire country. Because if people think that just the track and field little world of Russian track and field was the only person in the Russian Olympic Committee who knew that they were systematic doping going on, then, you know, they're fooling themselves. I'm a little bit of a, I take a little bit of a hard line when it comes to doping and cheating because I've really written a lot about it and have seen so much about it.

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  38. The gymnasts are probably underage who are at the Olympics, and in the past two, you're supposed to be sixteen the year of the Olympics, depending on when the rules change 15 or 16, but that most of the Chinese athletes were underage. So after that, I found somebody following me around the rest of the Olympics, some guy who I don't even know just in the regular. Regular clothes, which is following me around the entire Olympic village. So it was a little bit late for them.

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  39. I actually got a lot of freedom because there was a lot of unrest in Tibet at the time. And this is where it helps me being a sports reporter. So I'm sure that somebody who's in charge of looking after the journalists there said, well, all these journalists are running to Tibet to write about these terrible things going on in Tibet, but there's a sports reporter for the New York Times in Beijing. You know, which one do we really go after? So they basically left me alone. And I went all over the country finding these really great stories about, well, one athlete was basically forced to be a canoe athlete, even though he had terrible blood disease and wanted to quit for many, many years, but they wouldn't let him quit. It was almost like forced labor. And I traveled all around, almost free. But eventually they figured out that they shouldn't have done that because all the stories ran and when we got to the Olympics right before the Olympics we wrote about, we broke the story that most of

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  40. Well, before the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, I traveled around China to write about. The sports system in China, which I did write a little bit about the sports system, but I wanted to write about just athletes' life and drugs and how these athletes were oppressed. It is a lot about sports, but it's something that if you're just a typical ex and O's person, you wouldn't be doing. I really wanted to know how these Chinese athletes lived and how they grew up. I mean, a lot of them were just taken out of school. How much

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  41. Boom is bust Yeah, but it is a wonderful town and the sports story allowed me to write about something completely different, which was the fact that these national guard guys were going over to Iraq and using this equipment that was completely not appropriate. I mean, they were just driving down the car down the road with Humvees that were not armored at all, didn't have any armor on them. And so an IED would not only damage the car pretty badly, but basically blow it all up because it had no protection. So in the grand scheme of things, it's a sports story, but it really isn't.

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  42. Yeah, he has the high school gym is named after him. I don't think he's, maybe he's been back once or twice ever since, but it's a great little town that is now, I've been told, this gigantic oil boom town where it's, you know.

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  43. Sure. Oh, yeah. He's fine now when it comes to the physical part of him. But for these stories, I think I spent three weeks in Williston, North Dakota before this, well, just on the start at the start of this oil boom.

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  44. Right. Yeah. So I tried to find something I wanted to write that had something to do with sports. And those guys were National Guard guys who were really as tight as they can be and they went to Iraq and unfortunately they met up with the IED and that was the end of one of them and the other one had lost his leg and had a lot of psychological scars afterwards.

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  45. It's as if I'm trying to, I'm a sports columnist who's trying not to write about sports, which is not really what I'm trying to do. I just like writing about things that interest me. And when the Iraq war was going on in 2005, I really wanted to cover it. And unfortunately, I really wasn't a foreign correspondent, but I managed to find a way to write about it in terms of the intersection between athletes in the war, and I wrote a lot about former athletes who were injured in the war.

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  46. Well, they try. Sometimes they're successful, sometimes not, but people in the dog park, they don't want to talk politics. They want to talk about sports. And they're more passionate, some of them are more passionate about sports than they are about politics. So it sort of ignites the same Same fire in people, politics, sports, and religion kind of all go together and people could be totally rational about their politics and totally irrational about sports. But it allows for a lot of good writing.

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  47. No, I still wanted to go in to do something with politics because in our immigrant family, all your relatives, when they see you, the first thing that they would say is you're going to be Miss America and you're also going to be president. So this is what I heard growing up. You're going to be Miss America. You're also going to be the first woman president. So I thought, well, I wasn't Miss America. I missed out on that. I'm not going to be the president, so at least I could still cover cover Washington

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  48. I tried. I tried. I tried for several years. I spent all the money I had saved by being a paralegal at a big law firm in New York. I think I went to journalism school with eight dollars, according to the financial aid department. I still have that piece of paper above my desk that said, you come here with eight dollars. And I was really hoping that.

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  49. Well, at the New York Athletic Club, we had an elite team that raced internationally and nationally. And we were very good, but unfortunately there were people who were a little bit better than us.

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  50. When your five gold medals. I didn't even need a publicity team. I could do everything. But in the end, I wanted to be, I wanted to be on the Olympic team in rowing.

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