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Justin McLeod

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  1. And I just couldn't do it. I don't know why. I just let her go. And then I almost immediately regretted it. I wanted to call her like two weeks later and I just said, I have to stay out of her life because I just kept interrupting it and messing it up and then leaving again. So I just vowed to like not contact her anymore.

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  2. Well, we had a, we'll say rocky relationship, as you could imagine, trying to be with someone like me And someone like Kate. And we had this really strong personal connection and bond and really loved each other. I mean, really just were really attracted to one another and like magnets to one another. But it was also tumultuous because Was always going out and getting into trouble. And so we broke up and got back together like six or seven times during college. And at the end, we broke up. She actually transferred. She transferred to another school. She transferred to Wellesley. And we got back together one last time.

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  3. Kate, I think, was scared. She'd never seen a passed out person in her life. And an RA saw us, and Kate got her first. She was in trouble just for being around me. I wasn't even conscious. That was our first interaction. But later that year, she and I had a class together and we would sit together sometimes. And she developed a little bit of a crush on me. And one night she came over to my dorm room. We were chatting for a little bit and she asked me to walk her home and I walked her home and we had our first kiss that night. Then we were just inseparable after that.

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  4. I met Kate her first day of her first year and it was my first day of my second year so I just gotten out of rehab and Kate was like the polar opposite. Kate showed up to school, never had a drink, never kissed a boy. So like very different human being than me. My roommate had gone out in search of like finding some girls like the very first day. And he finds these couple girls out on the quad and invites them back to our place, and he's walking up the stairs with them. And there I am passed out in the stairwell, like literally on a landing in the stairwell.

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  5. Yeah, I think they were worried. I think my mom was especially worried. You know, I was really good at holding it all together, though. And that's what I would always point to. I'd be like, well, look at my grades. I don't have a problem. I have like a 3.7 GPA and I'm taking a 400 level courses my first year And I hit it well. I wasn't a dummy. I figured out over time how to hide it and how to get away with it

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  6. Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it. I think going back to what I was saying before, I was a pretty sensitive kid and I think I had a lot of emotions and I think I didn't really know how to express them in a productive way. And when I felt overwhelmed, it just felt the easiest way was to overwhelm the uncomfortable feelings with this better feeling of getting high or drunk.

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  7. Of partying there. I think I let the overachiever go to the wayside and I doubled down on the partying. I mean, I remember around March of my freshman year, I woke up one day and I reflected and I was like, I have not gone to bed sober this year. And I actually went in like March or April of my first year. I actually went to go see a drug and alcohol counselor at Colgate. And she was like, you know, I think you might have a problem with alcohol and drugs. And I think maybe you should stop doing alcohol and drugs. And I looked at her and I was like, don't you think that's a bit rash? I just wanted to come and talk about my feelings. I didn't anticipate having to just stop. And so I didn't go back to see her. Except that I then got referred back to her when I got written up three times in one night, like a few weeks later. And she was like,

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  8. I did. Well, I had this other side of me that was still an overachiever. Like, in high school, I got both the most detentions in history and I took the most advanced placement classes. I was the captain of the tennis team, I was the graduation speaker. So I had that whole side. It's not like I was just parting and not doing any work. And actually really reveled. I think it was a big part of my identity to be able to do both, to be able to be this overachieving person, but also at the same time have this troublemaking party side.

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  9. And I argued with them for like two and a half hours probably. And finally my dad drove me to the party and I got dropped off. And I remember that night I had two beers and two shots and I was floored and like passed out in a poolhouse and I woke up the next morning and I just felt like a golden god. I just like thought that was the coolest thing. And that began a career at high school of being the center of a party scene.

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  10. And when I got to high school, there was like a senior there named Billy, who I idolized. And he was a big drinker and a big partier. And I literally remember the first weekend before school started my freshman year, we went to a field hockey game, which was the it sport at my high school. And there was like this big party later that night. And I knew the cool kids were going and I went home. And this is, I mean, this is reflective of who I was at the time. I went home to my mom and dad and I said, there's going to be a party tonight. There's going to be drinking. I want to go because I was like, really honest. I was like, I had just, I was really earnest. And I was like, and I really want to go. And they said, absolutely not.

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  11. But I just was so heartbroken and I was so traumatized by the experience and like the social isolation that followed. I was just like, I'm never going to let that happen to me again. And I think I just determined that like I was going to be cool. And so I turned into like a completely different person when I entered high school Well, for one, partying, I mean, I was actually, I mean, I definitely had a troublemaker class clown got a lot of detentions and things in grade school, but it was always kind of like good natured, funny, fun, or like not doing my homework or being late to class

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  12. And everyone knew, and I was sort of like kicked out of the cool kids group. And so for seventh and eighth grade, it was just torture. And I was supposed to go to this high school. It was like a feeder for a big Catholic high school in Louisville. And I just decided I'm going on a different path. I want to get away from these people. And I chose a small private school in Louisville.

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  13. That was it. And I was so sad and heartbroken. And also at my school, because it was so small, it was a little bit clicky. Everybody knows.

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  14. Well, when I was in seventh grade, I had this girlfriend actually. I had a girlfriend fifth, sixth, and seventh grade. Her name was Kristen. And I was like totally in love. I mean, I was like done. I was like, I found my person. I'm like, I'm done. This is it. Yeah. And then one day in English class she just turned around in her desk and dumped me.

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  15. I think I was a pretty sensitive kid. I was a pretty scrawny kid. I was small. And so, even like literally in second grade when all the boys would be playing sports, I would be like hanging out with the girls. I just liked. I just, and if I had to play sports, I would usually fake an injury pretty early so that I could be nursed back to health by the girls. So, I think I was, I don't know, something about me always that wasn't like a guy's guy.

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  16. We did the relaunch, you know, my first instinct was obviously to go raise money. So I was talking to every VC, but no one would give me money. I mean, I was begging. And I had this like one investor that was really holding out for. And I remember the partner at the VC firm called me and she was like, you know, we've never seen a company that was cool and then went away and then was able to come back. And we just can't do it. And I was like

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