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Kai Kloepfer

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“And you could talk to any car manufacturer, and they would tell you that electric vehicles were a dead end. Not because they were probably impossible to build, you know, people built them, but because nobody wanted them. And so I think the big metric success for me is really being able to get this in the hand of as many customers that are interested in adopting technology as possible and have them have a really good experience, right? And have that be a product that they can trust, that they can rely on and that they're excited to tell their friends about.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Think the biggest thing for me is I want to prove out the technology, the product, and have it be available as a real option to a widespread of customers. And that includes being able to manufacture it at scale. That includes getting really good customer views. That includes serving other markets and use cases than just the initial consumer one that we're talking about here. And really having this be very obviously part of the conversation and not to overuse the Tesla analog analogy, and I'm not claiming Biofire is Tesla or anything like that. But in a lot of ways, prior to Tesla, electric vehicles were dead.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Get access to that kind of capital is because we have an actual viable business model. I'm actually not sure that's ever existed in this space before. Our Series A, which we announced last year, that was the first ever venture-led investment into a firearms company from Founders Fund. That was a big milestone. And part of that was we were able to share a strategy that allowed us to push towards profitability without insane amounts of additional capital. So I can't share exact timelines, et cetera, of course, because it's always subject to change. But a big part of this from the very beginning has been we're not just doing R&D on a fictional product that we need to build one of, we're doing product development, really, on a product that is designed to be scaled into the hundreds of thousands or millions of units.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so I would say you asked previously why has nobody actually succeeded in building this technology prior to Byofire? And my answer was nobody actually actually ever built the technology, thus they couldn't have built a product or company around it. I think one of the, not by any means the only reason, but one of the main reasons why nobody has succeeded prior to Biofire in building technology is nobody succeeded in having the kind of capital required to build the kind of engineering team required to do this. This is not something you can do with a cheap engineering team. Almost the entirety of that $30 million has been spent on R&D, right? On basically paying engineers to do engineering. At the same time, the reason why we've been able”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh gos Have to imagine this can take a while for you guys to reach profitability. This is to be a cash intensive production. You are manufacturing in a manufacturing business. You're not making software. And I have to imagine the first run of... Firearms that you've sold maybe the costs are higher to you than they are for the customer. At what point do you see sort of a path to profitability? I mean, because this is a multi-billion dollar industry. For better or worse, and I know, again, this is a controversial topic for some people, for many people, but fact of the matter is guns, it's a big industry. It's a big market in the US”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Connected to the firing pin in any way. There still is a mechanical firing pin because we want to have it support traditional 9mm ammunition, which needs a traditional firing pin. But the connection between the trigger and the firing pin, where a normal gun would just be a mechanical linkage, in our system is fully electronic. The trigger is really just a fancy switch that is an input to that salt-state fire control system. One of the important parts about that, not only is it dramatically more reliable because it's solid-sate electronics that don't wear out within any lifetime of the customer and never need any maintenance, but it also can be armed and disarmed in about five microseconds, not milliseconds, microseconds, which means like for all intents purposes, effectively instantaneous.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes. Basically, the goal is the system is unlocks faster than you can pick it up off a table. So in a fraction of a second, basically. And so part of the reason why there's this much complexity and technology built into it is, you know, we need to deliver very high quality biometrics faster than almost any other application that they're used in. And that's been, I can say, quite the engineering challenge for our software teams and electrical engineering teams to handle a lot of the complexity required with that. Additionally, I mentioned earlier in the show how with that Glock prototype that we were working on a long time ago, it used an inhibitor, right? It basically took a mechanical system and used that to prevent the gun mechanically from working. It turns out that doesn't really work, right? The kind of actuators that you could put in there would add another second or so to the process after you had already finished processing all the biometrics and software data. Biofire, we really went back to the drawing board and pioneered the world's first ever electronic fire control system in a handgun. The trigger mechanically is not”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Thousands is like in thousands. Okay. Because I know you had two models. You had a launch edition and then the second edition. So those will start to be sent out. And presumably, I mean, you're manufacturing them. So what you can use now, what you've played around with and shot, it is totally reliable. You pick it up and if it recognizes you, it's like it's a millisecond. It's half a second. It's ready to go.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I would say the easy answer is fundraising is always hard no matter what you're doing. That being said, yes, I think definitely, especially early on, fundraising for Biofire was probably more challenging than average. And I would actually mostly pin that on two main factors, neither of which is special interest groups or the NRA or anything like that. The two main factors is one, we're building hardware, and two, we're building complicated deep tech hardware that is technically a weapon. When I was fundraising initially, let's say, eight years ago or so, those two factors alone basically opted out the vast majority of traditional venture investors. Either they would not invest in hardware, right, which was pretty common. There's lots of venture funds that only do software deals, or most venture funds, LPA restriction, basically the agreement that they have with their investors would have a clause in it saying you're not allowed to invest in Vice. So weapons, pornography, drugs, et cetera. And no matter why we're doing this, no matter that the whole point is to”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, definitely. Our project is positioned at a premium price point. I will say among folks that are in kind of our core customer demographics, the average basket price when they go buy a firearm, the amount of money that they spend on average is closer to $12 to $1,300 because they'll buy a biometric gun safe for a couple hundred dollars. They'll buy some accessories, upgrades, things like that. Almost all those features are directly built into our product. And so my initial argument would be it's more like we're competing with a 12 or $1,300 price point, which again, $1,500 is still a premium. For the product that we're building right now, yes, definitely our objective, you know, we're a new company. We're scaling our manufacturing efforts. We definitely don't benefit from the economies of scale of the incumbents like Gloc. And that's partially reflected in the pricing. And those will, you know, as we get more successful.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think the starting price, the pre-order price is like $1,500 for the gun. It's like three times the price of just a Glock 19, presumably over time, the price will go down. There's a lot of technology and it's got to be expensive. But it's kind of tough to compete with. I mean, if you're looking to build a significant number of customers down the road, I'm assuming you're going to have to bring that price down, make it maybe competitive with a non-smart gun.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely. Yeah, and I think in a lot of ways, by far's objective is we want everybody making smart guns, right? I think Biofire is never going to be not too dissimilar from a Tesla or Rivian, like we're never going to address the entire market. And we have no plans to, right? We want to find good niches and build good products and be the best in the industry on that. But there's always going to be the need for competition and for other brands in the space. And so I think hopefully, yes.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think yes, not necessarily because of the number of people there, but because anybody who's thinking about buying a firearm, right, whether they're super experienced or especially if they're not super experienced, is going to go ask people that they know about whether or not this is a good product, right? And this is a big part of how we think about this. I'm not expecting that every gun enthusiast or every person who owns a firearm in the United States is going to buy a smart gun, right? Because a lot of them don't see the use case. They don't see the value. It's not the right fit for them. It's too expensive. That's great. And whatever their decision is, that's why that choice aspect really matters. What I do want every gun expert enthusiast to say is, yeah, like that's a high quality firearm, right? I would trust that, right? I don't think I personally need one, but I would trust that. And that's why we've invested just as much time, energy, and capital into building a really good gun as we have into building a smart gun.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“First step is you have to make it reliable. And I know I've said that before, but I think it all really, I am an engineer, and it does really come back to this is not a space or an industry or a product where we could go do some really amazing job on the marketing perspective and sell people kind of an okay product, right? You have to start off with a really great product and then you still have the challenge of how do you actually build that trust with your customers. It's really hands-on experiences, right? And what that means is we want to have as many smart guns available out to our customers. Our customers tend to show them to their friends and to other people that also includes getting it in the hands of trusted experts and reviewers on YouTube and podcasts and things like that. And additionally, I would say we have a lot more orders than we can fulfill. We have a ton of demand. And our focus right now is fulfilling that demand. And I think as more and more of those get out in the wild, it'll also mean more and more opportunities for people have hands-on experiences and to build that trust with our customers.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You can, yes Correct. Yeah, and we're looking at ways that might long term allow people to opt into a kind of password recovery flow or something like that that still would not involve any servers but would generate a backup code or something. But as of right now, the only method that we found that we're comfortable releasing is it is locked in the owner's biometrics. And don't get me wrong, the owner has full control. So if they want to factory set that and sell it to somebody else, they can do so. But if there was something unexpected that happened, yes, that firearm would be would be unusable.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So basically, if the gun owner, if it only recognizes the owner, because I think you can add people to it, right? You can, yes. But if it just recognizes the owner and the owner just dies, that gun is obsolete.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So the way that we do that is the gun itself is totally air gapped. There's no Wi Fi, Bluetooth, GPS, IoT, RF communications of any kind. And all of the biometric data, all the usage data, the maintenance information, every single piece of information that the firearm has to collect to be able to perform the function that we're advertising is stored encrypted locally within the firearm. And those encryption keys are generated by the device itself during manufacturing in a secure element. Biofire has never seen the keys. We never process them or handle them in any way. And basically once the owner sets that firearm up, Biofire has no ability to factory reset it or assist the owner really in detail with what's going on in any way.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Great question. And yes, you're definitely correct. That's a key concern of our customers and one that I think is reasonable concern. The short answer is we do not have any of that data. We have no ability to access it. We have never had any ability to access it. We do not process it. We do not handle it.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“As battery, it has a bunch of different circuit boards, software processing, and that's how we run the biometrics, the electronic fire control. There's lots of internal, basically monitoring systems that help ensure reliability. All of those are basically designed to improve the reliability and user experience of the system.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A little camera in a full sort of 3D infrared structured light solution as well. But once either one of those recognizes, again, the owner or some of the owner has chosen to enroll in the firearm, the gun unlocks. It then stays unlocked the entire time you're holding onto it. Anytime it's unlocked, it functions basically like a normal firearm. If it's around in the chamber and you pull the trigger, the gun fires. We can talk about this later. Under the hood, we've totally reinvented the entire operating concept of how the gun works. It's fire by wire. It's very, very novel, but none of that is visible to the customer. You just pick it up and you pull trigger.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“System is just inherently secure. When the owner or some of the owners chosen picks the firearm up, it automatically wakes up and recognizes their biometrics. There's two ways that you can do that, and you'll need one of them to work, right? You don't need both. You just need one, which is either a fingerprint sensor that's built into the grip kind of underneath your middle finger of your dominant hand, or a 3D facial recognition system that sits on the back, similar to like an Apple facade style.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Correct. And that's actually one of the main reasons why we're focused on home defense. Not only is it a good market, and there's a lot of people that have some unmet need here that we can address, but there is this sort of inherent tension between, in practice, again, if you're actually going to practically own a firearm for home defense, the situation where you're going to use it is going to be the middle of the night. You just woke up, you're groggy, you have no idea what's going on, and you have probably literally seconds to access the firearm at most. And what that means is you have to make a decision of, you know, do you optimize for the once in a million event of somebody breaking in? Or do you optimize for the day-to-day event of your kid finding it? And you can't really solve for both, right? There's no technical solution that allows you to solve for both. Biofire's product does.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, people who want it available in the event, in the unlikely event, that their home is broken into, they want to access it quickly, but if it was kept in a safe, you can't access it quickly. If it wasn't loaded, you can't access it quickly. But of course, that's the safest way to store it.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So basically, yeah, so the Biofire smartgun is a fully custom novel 9mm smart handgun designed from the ground up for this home defense use case. The way that it works is it's always locked by default, right? So anytime that the owner or somebody the owner is chosen is not interacting with the firearm, it's locked and unusable, which means unable to be fired, right? If you were to pick it up, put around the chamber, pull the trigger, the gun would not fire. Again, we're very focused on home defense, right? So folks that might be buying a firearm to put their nightstand drawer to keep accessible in the home, something like that.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And this entry level community, this group of folks that are thinking about buying a farm for the first time, that community tend to be the folks that have the least experience with firearms. It tends to be the highest rate of accidents, the highest rate of mistakes, and they tend to be the most concerned about unauthorized access.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely. And I would say I think that sliver is bigger than you think it is. And the reason for that is there's basically two kind of primary groups of people that buy firearms. There's what I would call gun enthusiasts. And this is what most people think of when they think of gun owner. Like I'm a gun enthusiast. I own multiple guns. I care about guns. I follow the latest developments, et cetera, and not just because professionally, but like personally, I think it's interesting. That being said, over 50% of gun purchasers, not number of guns sold, but over of gun purchasers do not fit that category at all. It's not part of their community or their hobby or their sport, right? It's more in the category of going to Home Depot and buying a power drill.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“My short answer is yes, I do think there are real environments on a regular basis where people are using firearms either as a deterrent or as an actual way to prevent threats to their personal health, safety, and their family's health and safety. Do I think that is anywhere near as common as most people think it is? Absolutely not. I think it's a very unlikely event. There's just a lot of reasons why people see that as a potential way to protect themselves, their family.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Two answers on that. One, the NRA as an example, does not oppose the development of smart guns, right? That's their public stance. You can go read on their website. And when they have pushback on smart guns in the past, they were pushing back on situations where basically non-functional firearm would have been mandated for an entire state. Biofire's approach here is really important. We've had lots of conversations with regulators both at state levels and federal levels to make it very clear that this has to be a choice. Are building a product that we think is the best product you can buy for home defense for a certain kind of home defense use case. But there's lots of situations where that firearm is not going to be the right choice.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely, right? And the product that we are building, it's not designed to be a toy, right? It's not designed to be a fun thing. You take the range and hopefully it works. The reason why you'd buy a Biofire smart gun or any smart gun is because that's the firearm that you want to have quick access to for home defense and you're going to, one, trust that the technology is truly going to prevent your kid from using it if they should find it. And two, you are going to trust that the firearms actually going to be usable in the unlikely event that you need to actually use it in an emergency. And if either one of those things is not true, it's not a good product and it's not one that you'd want to invest in. In fact, it's probably much worse than just buying a traditional firearm and putting it in a gun safe.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a good question. There's a couple different factors here. So, as you point out, the concept of a smart gun is by no means a new one. James Bond has one, Judge Dread has one. It's been a popular science fiction topic for many years. It's something that there have been a previous attempts at building by both startups as well as incumbents like Smith& Wesson. Nobody prior to Biofire has ever sold a commercial smart gun. And what I mean by that, and this is true for every previous attempt at a smart gun, nobody has ever actually solved the fundamental technical challenges required to make something that anybody would want to buy. And that includes me. I'm a gun owner myself. I own a lot of firearms at this point. And I would certainly not purchase any of the previous smart gun attempts. And you'll hear this.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Mean by that is you take a normal mechanical gun and then you electromechanically prevent it from working in some way, right? You disconnect a piece of it, you put a linkage, a pin in some linkage, something like that. And that architecture is something that we later ended up moving away from because it's not particularly reliable. But at the time was sort of the only viable approach.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, basically, I ended up receiving that $50,000 grant from a group called the Smart Tech Challenges Foundation, where basically a group of folks in Silicon Valley came together to say, hey, we should be investing into innovation and technology. There's no real investable companies in this space. Let's try to basically kind of kickstart some, right? To foster some innovation in this space. I had just turned 18 by this point as well, which was quite convenient because I was able to ask my parents to buy a handgun for me and transfer it to me legally and use that as a platform. And so I basically ended up building kind of a Glock 22, which is a full-size handgun based kind of proof of concept prototype that had all this technology built into it. It was fingerprint only. It was a better version, a newer version of the fingerprint because by that point there was starting to be more, a lot more commercial investment into fingerprint technology. Lots of improvements across the board, but it was still based around kind of this fundamental concept of using an electromechanical actuator to inhibit the functionality of the gun, right?”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely. Yeah. In fact, it was designed to be deliberately not a gun and something that didn't look too much like a gun. It was like a gun esque, you know, but they wouldn't let me bring something that even looked like a firearm into the science fair. And so, yeah, it was very much just designed to demonstrate how you would integrate with a firearm in concept. And I actually later ended up going on and applying that technology to an actual firearm as a prototype a year or two later.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Lots of 3D printed plastics and metal, lots of circuit boards, things like that, with this little actuator that basically locked and unlocked the system based on the input of whether or not your fingerprint matched. Went through over the course of that project a couple hundred different generations and iterations. Again, lots of 3D printing, lots of iteration to get to the point where it was good enough to win that final competition.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it's, I would say, in a lot of ways, just like any other engineering problem, you define your problem state, you define your hypothesis, then you start breaking it down to pieces. And so I ended up actually, long story short, winning first place in engineering at the Intel International Science for that year, which is sort of the top of that kind of competition. But they have all sorts of the science, technology society that puts on these competitions. That's all sorts of rules and regulations. And one of them obviously is, you know, can't work.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. A firearm that's always locked by default only ever unlocks when you pick it up and are holding on to it and then instantly relocks most importantly, instantly relocks as soon as it leaves your control. And it's really that last part because that's what prevents your kid, your teenager, or anybody else from getting access to it because it's always locked no matter what you do, right? There's no manual action required to lock it.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That really lends itself towards how do you prevent mistakes? Okay, can we provide pieces of technology that start to remove some of the aspects of human error from at least portions of the equation of gun safety?”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, exactly. I started to think about very much especially focused on children, teenagers, those are situations where somebody, a kid or a teenager, is getting access to a firearm that the owner does not intend for them to have access to. It's unfortunately pretty clear cut with children teenagers where they're not legally allowed to own firearms. That's almost always a parent's firearm or a relative's firearm or something else. And so the obvious solution is, okay, well, how do we ensure that kids don't get access to firearms? And this is not a novel question, right? You know, all sorts of rules and regulations around gun safety and storage and security. Like here in Colorado, you're required to secure your firearms from unauthorized access. That's true in many states as well. But those don't seem to be particularly effective, or at least not effective enough to really fully address the challenge. And I think the reason why that is, is it really just boils down to humans make mistakes. And so.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The first step, I think, of any process and project is to dig into okay, what's the actual problem? I very quickly realized while mass shootings and other kind of violent crime like that, obviously something that we hear about a lot in the news, they actually make up a very small percentage of gun deaths, where two-thirds of gun deaths in the United States are the result of suicides and accidents. And that seemed like to me an area that would better lend itself towards the kind of technical solution that I was interested in working on because it's something where I might be able to work with gun owners to provide better products, better tools, as opposed to the more adversarial relationship of trying to prevent a criminal from committing a crime.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I have a bunch of family in Tennessee yet gotten the chance to go skiet shooting and stuff growing up and experience more of the fun side of firearms. But that was sort of my first encounter where I was 15th time, so old enough to actually start to think about, hey, there are some other impacts to kind of what firearm ownership looks like in society. And there are impacts that really nobody is looking for.”
2023-10-05 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · A biometric smart gun with Kai Kloepfer of Biofire · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Suicides among adolescents. Kai grew up in Boulder, Colorado, and he loved tinkering science and engineering, and he started thinking a lot about guns when he was 15 after the mass shooting at a movie theater in the nearby town of Aurora. Before that, his exposure to firearms was pretty minimal.”
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