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Karim Amer

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“I know what you might be thinking. Doesn't every company say stuff like this? It's true, they do. But Jeff Bezos really walks the walk, no matter the consequences That was just the preview to hear the full story, subscribe to Land of the Giants on Apple.”
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“First thing I know is that you need to obsess over customers. I can tell you that we have been doing this from the very beginning and it's the only reason that Amazon.com exists today in any form. When we talk about Earth's most customer-centric company, we have a similar idea in mind. We want other companies to look at Amazon and see us as a standard bearer for obsessive focus on the customer, as opposed to obsessive focus on the competitor.”
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“Obviously, this Injuries team gets the site back. And running, their work still wasn't done. Amazon's culture. This basically means whenever anything big goes wrong, you have to quickly meet as a team to figure out what went wrong.”
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“World. Each season focuses on one of the giants and explores the ways that they've changed our lives for better and for worse. The first season is about the rise of Amazon and is hosted by Ricodes Jason Delray, who's covered the company for the better part of the last decade. I'll let him take it from here.”
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“All right, thank you so much Thanks to Kareem, Pedro, Julian, and Roger for coming on the show, and thanks to Letterman Theater for hosting us. You can follow me on Twitter at Kara Swisher, my executive producer, Eric Anderson, is at Erica America. My producer Eric Johnson is at Heihe ESJ. You can find the great hack on Netflix and make sure if you haven't already, to listen to my recent interview with Carol Cadwalleter, the journals to expose a lot of the key developments in the Cambridge Analytica scandal. If you like this episode, we'd really appreciate it if you shared it with a friend, and make sure to check out our other podcast, Recode Media, Pivot, and Land of the Giants. Just search for them in your podcasting app of choice. Thanks also to our editor Joel Robbie. Special thanks to Christine Richardson, Ali McWhorter, and Ken Moynihan. Before we wrap up, I have one more thing to share with you, a special preview of Land of the Giants, a new podcast from Recode and the Vox Media Podcast Network. It's a show about the five major tech companies that have reshaped our world.”
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“All right, on that note, thank you so much, Roger, Julian, Pedro, Kareem. And tell everyone about the movie. It's a terrific movie. It's appearing when? What does it appear?”
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“Both about this and that are both about how persuadable and vulnerable. One of the things someone mentioned about how Cambridge Analytica targeted the persuadables. I think the problem with that question is that it implies that persuadables are one bucket of people. The reality is we're all persuadable. We may not be persuadable on certain political topics. We're immovable in them, but we're all persuadable and our minds are a lot more vulnerable. And the sooner we accept that, the better, in my opinion.”
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“Okay. And Henry Kissinger adds icing on top of the toxic cake. Julian, are you going to be in any more movies? No, I'm kidding.”
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“Three is anything. There was, I thought, a terrifying op-ed in the Atlantic by Henry Kissinger and Eric Schmidt, in which they said AI has won, get over it, and we're going to apply it to things like national security and diplomacy. I'm going, wait a minute, you're going to take a technology which was perfected on zero-sum games, and you're going to apply that to global diplomacy. Don't work, right? It's just”
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“I would like everybody here to go out and seek out every elected representative you can find and get in their grill and ask him why in God's name are companies like Google and Microsoft allowed to scan your emails and your documents and messages for valuable information why are banks credit card processors and credit rating agency allowed to sell your most intimate financial data why are healthcare service companies allowed to sell data about your healthcare situation why are cellular companies allowed to sell your location why is anybody allowed to collect data on miners and hold it why is anyone allowed to trade any of this stuff why are they allowed to exploit it at all i don't think this is a question of who owns your data the problem we're dealing with now is that society is being destroyed it doesn't actually hurt any of us individually it is killing our country it is killing the world it is as likely to cause world war”
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“One thing I wanted to say actually about as it relates to data is not involuntarily become more of a person speaking on this than I ever imagined. But I think the word that we can borrow from kind of that we're also hearing debated in pop culture actively is the word consent. Consent has never been more debated in our society for a good reasons, but we should apply that word as it relates to data, as it relates to this relationship with technology, and as it relates to this question of that the admission fee to the connected world is giving up all your privacy without having any idea where it goes and not being aware in each area of your recordable behavior what you're consenting to and what your tolerance is for that kind of exchange. So I think consent should be a key part of design in Silicon Valley especially.”
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“There's one proposal that they shared the data, that they share Facebook and Google share their data so new companies can be created. But competition, I think, is 100% of the way. And then they'll create new companies that later we have to deal with.”
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“And I'd like to see the tools of competition. So for Facebook and Google, it's different. It's too late. Break them up. Maybe Google we can break up. We can break Facebook up, but because of the network effect of the platform, I think they end up being regulated as a monopoly utility. But for everybody else, I'd like to see the tools of competition so people can compete on how ethically they use data. It'd be transparent. People can understand it and choose whether or not they want to be on that platform, whether or not they want to leave their data there.”
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“I would like to see more people, I mean, I'm wondering who are the next Britney Kaisers, who are the next people that are, especially here in this community, in this area, in Silicon Valley, who are getting a little uncomfortable and empower them. We talk about filmmaking as a art form, you know, that requires imagination. Well, I think everything requires imagination. I think it's like imagining what could be beyond and really challenging that and be, you know. And with the work that you're doing and really kind of creating community”
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“Right. And I also love the way you use sort of endgame. I was well done with people disappearing into their digital docs.”
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“Okay, so let's talk about what you want to come out of this. Each of you very shortly, why don't we start with you, Kareem? What is your goal here? What would you like to see happen with the impact of your movie?”
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“Incredibly valuable. And you may not realize that till they're gone, right? But we right now are being challenged to decide what we care about, what we believe in, and how much control of our own lives do we want to have. Because Google Strategy is really simple, right? They want to replace free will. They want to replace democracy with algorithmic processes. This is the genius of what Professor Shoshana Zupoff has written in her book, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism. She doesn't just describe how this economic system works. She describes the motivations that created and inevitably the processes that it will lead to. And we ignore her advice at our peril.”
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“You're a Nag. We're Nags together. But then Libra. Yes, I'm a snark, you're an egg. And then Labor, and I was like, geez, Louise, these guys.”
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“I mean, we haven't solved any of these problems yet All right, but Roger, in that regard, and I want to finish up with you guys saying what needs to happen, you're saying that, and you're like, whatever, I'm the nag, you're a nag also.”
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“Stations with poor spent oil into sewers. And there was no accountability for that. And as a consequence, they were artificially profitable. Eventually, we caught up to them and said, no, we're going to hold you accountable. These companies are doing toxic digital spills for which they're not being held accountable. My very, very rough estimate Facebook, if it were held accountable for the things that it has done, would be an unprofitable company and Google would be modestly profitable.”
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“So, the problem that I'm trying to address, and has spent, I guess now three years trying to deal with, is this notion that Silicon Valley has inadvertently created companies that are identical in our economy to what the chemical industry was in 1950. Fastest growing, most profitable companies in the economy. And they are that way because they are not held accountable. Economic externalities that they create. Chemical companies, they would pour mercury into fresh water. Not a Companies would leave tailings on the side of the hill.”
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“I agree with you on that. Yeah, it's interesting. We're going to take another break now. We'll be back after this with Kareem Amir, Pedro Kos, Julian Wheatland, and Roger McNamy from the Great Hack. When we're talking about if we're going to talk to each other, if we're going to get there, some people feel that's the way to go to how to figure ourselves out of this. Other people feel this is a group of people that are going to continue to game the system and that good people lean forward and say, okay, now let's get together. But it's shown to be a bit of an administration who just keeps pushing the boundaries this last week. Same thing with the tweets and everything else. It doesn't stop. the constant propaganda machine does not quit and now it's overt even hiding in lots of ways”
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“I see. So everyone you work for is crazy. Like, it seems like you don't know why Andrew said it. Why do you think they did it though? Do you have any? You work with these people for years.”
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“And the interaction between. And I don't really understand people that go on reality TV shows full stop, but Brittany has always been at that end of the spectrum. It's actually the reason why when the leave.eu campaign said they were going to hire us, she was the first to put up her hand and say, I'll go on, I'll be at the launch with you. I think she just likes being out in public.”
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“Because she was in James Bond Island And she was in this pool. And I didn't know if I'd never see her again. And my wife told me if you don't come back with something, don't come back. So I was like, Okay, well, if you're willing to talk, let's just do this now. And so I just got in the pool, and the DP had never worked with was like, really? I'm like, let's just do it. I don't know. What if she changes her mind? So we just started filming. And, you know, in these types of films, as some of the documentary filmmakers here might attest to, like you got to film like every day is your last because you just don't know. You don't know people are going to change their mind. And I think one thing that we also wanted to show was like here is, you know, we're these moral creatures who are crippled by our morality in many ways, right? It's what holds us back, but it's also what makes us human. But we're being shaped by these algorithms, right? And we're trying to tell a story about how these algorithms are shaping our lives. And so these are amoral algorithms who are encrippled by that morality. So here was a character who could also traverse the complexity of morality and take us a different moral choices and show us what it was. So for me, that was also something that was quite important to capture.”
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“You know, I had to go to Egypt and she was in Thailand, and so I called my partner and wife, Jahan is also an amazing filmmaker. I was like, so I got to go to Thailand. And she's like, no, you don't. You got to come home. And I was like, I'm telling you, this is real. She's like, it's not.”
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“Almost a year and a half before, or a year before, and I'd met Chris Wiley, a year before he'd come public and I'd met several people in the space, but there was a challenge of getting people on camera at the time to kind of explain what was happening. And we had even tried to get Facebook to talk about it, and they refused. And I basically threw someone in the documentary film community, Just Search, met Paul Hilder. who's in the film and he had been in touch with Brittany for some time and had heard that I was kind of this obsessive documentary filmmaker who was really into Cambridge Analytica and was kind of looking through all the nucks and crannies and then we had a chat he it was basically I was going to the airport and he was leaving the airport and we spoke for 15 minutes and he's like well look if you really want to do this you got to go to Thailand tomorrow and I was like”
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“Oh, she was living it. I mean, when we met Brittany, she had just basically decided to begin her process of coming, going public. I had been navigating the story for some time. I had met Carol a year ago.”
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“Kareem, why don't you tell us how did you get her, Chuck? Because what I found most interesting about her is someone who perpetually lies to themselves is actually telling the Truth by accident. Like it was really fast. It was sort of a mindfuck that way. I just couldn't tell what I thought of her. But how did you get her to talk? Because she loved the headlines. You could see her eating up the attention and everything else at the same time, which I thought was beautifully done from a photography point of view. You got that sense that she loved being part of the drama at the same time.”
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“The truth, the better parents. Like, I was sort of like, what is she lies almost continually about? But there's truth in there at the same, there's also truth. She was obviously there. She has the emails. She was obviously part of it. That shift from the Obama administration. The only thing she said I thought that was super truthful is like they didn't pay me, which was really, I thought that was a great moment. How did you get her to talk and how did you, you know, Chris has been talking a lot, obviously, but how did you get her to talk? Because she's a key character here.”
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“So it's like how many constitu Work in this, which Well, it's similar to cigarettes or anything else. Just one second, I want to ask Pedro a question first. So how did you get these people? Because in a lot of ways, you're talking, whatever you think of Brittany, she's talking, Chris is talking. When I do stories, there's always one person. I remember there was one person in Uber. We had a very tough story about stealing medical records of a rape victim, of an Uber driver. And it was one person within the company who couldn't take it. And it was really interesting. And I remember the conversations I can't live with myself. Like, they had lived with themselves and benefited mightily from being an Uber. But I remember that. Like, it was that moment of turning someone who, I wasn't trying to turn them, but it was a really interesting discussion. These people, look, Brittany, for example, is a really complex character. I'm not sure what to think of her. Like, I don't know what her whole jam is going on. And I can't tell. I didn't even know if she was just telling.”
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“Be incentivizing the polarization of American society, no one's saying anyone designed this. No engineer sat in a room and said, hey, how can we make people more neurotic? I don't believe that that's how it happened. But the point is we're here and that's what's continuing to happen. So the question is whose balance sheet do these societal losses show up on?”
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“What are we hoping to do? I think what we're hoping to do is, you know, I think that one of the problems is that people in the UK and And so I think what we found here is that there is a fragility of the notion of democratic governments in face of monopolistic tech platforms. There just is. Who has more power? When someone sits a senator or Mark Zuckerberg. So it's like how many constituents in Zuckerberg have, right? There's a fragility in the notion of truth when we have weaponized information systems. And then I think there's a fragility that I don't know how to solve for, and I'd love to hear from people who work in this, which is the fragility of this quote unquote shared values that we subscribe to as a society, as a democracy when everyone's living in their own personal reality. And the platform is incentivizing that confirmation bias constantly and getting to the point where the platforms may actually”
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“Okay, all right, okay. Yes, you are. So this worked. The Great Hack worked. That's what I came away from it. It's like everyone's sort of finger pointing and saying this is a mess is a mess, but it worked. What Steve Bannon was doing originally when he was an investor. He wanted to break everything, which he used these tools to do so. It is his philosophy about that. How do you look at that? Because really what you're painting is a picture of success in that there's no repercussions. You're painting a picture of the damage, but what are you hoping to do?”
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“All right, so one of the things about this movie that I did see, although I was riveted to how you got not just Julian, but Brittany Kaiser to talk. I'd love to know how to do that. But first, one of the things, she's a, wow, wow, I just want to say, I'd love to know what you think of her because I can't tell again.”
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“But in the current model, that's right. And the thing is, again, Silicon Valley exists in an ecosystem. Globally, which sits there and says the only constituency that matters is the shareholder, and the only thing a management should care about are metrics. Well, the reality is ethics doesn't stand a prayer in that environment because ethics by definition is the willingness to subordinate a metric to a higher value. I think that we have a problem in business culture broadly. I mean, in a world where Wells Fargo Bank, a local bank here, you know, took money out of the accounts of millions of account holders without their knowledge, where you had the banks generally bankrupting the entire economy and getting away with it. I mean, that Silicon Valley is not alone any more than Cambridge Analytica was alone. This is a pervasive issue. And I just think we have to decide what we want capitalism to be. What do we want our economy to be? Because if this is it,”
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“Don't fit into the surveillance system. So you want to switch out the soil and green as people's idea of things. That's what you're just talking about. People are fuel. I'm making a really old Charlton Heston reference. Right,”
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“In fact, I think that would be a bigger business opportunity because all the stuff you're doing today is still economically valuable and there's millions of things they don't do because those things don't fit into the store.”
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“And now it's in the business of treating the people who use it as a source of fuel, right? We're not the customer. We're not even the product. We're a source of data that isn't used to improve something for us. It's used to manipulate whole populations. And in my mind, that is morally bankrupt, and I do not believe it can be fixed. And I think the way you get out of this is the way you always get out of tech problems, which is you create an alternative universe with a different value system, and you give people choices. You're not going to lose the things you like about these products. They're not going to go away. You shouldn't be afraid of change. What we should be doing is asking the question of why isn't this stuff designed to make my life better? Because it could be”
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“Reed Hoffman and Elon Musk as well that they came in and they brought this philosophy and it was so spectacularly successful so quickly and the issues took a long time to show up. There were glimmers all over the place of problems, but you didn't see you didn't have anything quite like the 2016 election or like Brexit that focused everybody's attention on one thing. And my observation about all of this is that I think it's time for a forklift replacement of the culture that essentially Silicon Valley has to remember that it spent 50 years in the business of empowering the people who use technology.”
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“It wasn't just them. It was a broad notion of You know, in 2003, 2004, finally the limits of Moore's law of Metcalfe's law, the things that prevented you from making global universal consumer products evaporated. So suddenly the cost of creating startups went way down, so the barriers to entry went way down, and everything became about eliminating friction. The notion was if you wanted to dominate globally, you had to move faster than anyone else, which also meant you had to move faster than the human reaction time or regulator reaction time or critic reaction time. The notion was you would blow by everything. And that was something that I think came in with the PayPal mafia. So this is Peter Thiel and”
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“They had all kinds of sayings and stupid stuff like that. Most of these companies do. But I remember saying break. And they were like, yeah, break. And I'm like, break is bad. And it was like a debate. You were there.”
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“And I don't see that urgency. Yeah, it's interesting. That is absolutely true. But Roger, why don't you talk about this? Because I did a big, long interview with Mark Zuckerberg that he probably shouldn't have done. But I couldn't get him to understand consequence. We spent a lot of time going back and forth about who's, and he saw it as a blame thing, and I was saw it as if you make something bad, you have to understand how you made it so you can fix it. So it was a very different, the points of view were very off. And it was interesting to see Alexander Nicks here because he felt like he was a victim of this versus that he had any cause, he was any kind of player. Roger, talk about that concept because that's a famous Facebook move fast and break things, which they've changed to move fast and create stable infrastructure, which is less problematic, I guess. But that word break, I remember when they did it at the time when I went and saw it on, this was plastered on the walls of face.”
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“and that no culture ever has self-regulated it just doesn't happen because humanity which some people may have skipped in the focus of just math and science you know that humanity class where you learned about hubris right you know and ego and how it's just that thing that every culture and civilization has and has always been the thing that broke every man it still exists and and that's a thing that we have to hold accountable in this city i don't know you kara's doing doing her part in helping to do that but i think it takes a community to have this conversation and say it doesn't matter how we got here it doesn't matter if facebook and cambridge analytica we're working together in cahoots with the russians that doesn't matter what matters is there's a wreckage site and how do we fix it i think it should be treated the same way you look at natural disasters when there's a natural disaster that hits a community what happens people band together and they start working again they don't worry about whose fault it was that the doors didn't work they just start trying to fix”
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“There's one guy, but go ahead. But I think it's like, how do we get here? We get here from the place that this culture of move fast and break things and that we could just innovate and there's no cost to that innovation. It's just false like sorry call it what it is some of the smartest people in the world live in this community and you can't call yourself out and realize that this culture has gone haywire”
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“At WhatsApp making it viral or something like that. I say the same thing over and over again because I'm trying to get people to repeat it over and over again within Silicon Valley, which is if you can think of your product as an episode of Black Mirror, don't make it yet. Start to think about how you could not make it an episode of Black Mirror.”
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“It did. And so I think what's missing, and again, I'm just going to stress, I divorce it from the likes of Facebook and Google because I think they require a different solution. To be honest with you, I would take Facebook and recognize it as being the monopoly utility that it is. People can't leave and should be regulated as such. But for the rest of, let's call the tech community and ordinary companies, the controls and management processes need to be set up internally such that every time there's a new data source, every time there's a new way of analyzing, every time there's a new technique that can be used, that it gets evaluated as to whether or not it's in alignment with the ethical objectives, clearly stated ethical objectives of the company and that that is reviewed up to the board level.”
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“So, when you were talking about that there were lots of lots of people that worked at Cambridge that weren't part of this, it's the same thing at these companies now, at Google and Facebook and other companies that aren't part of that. How do you sort that out when there's so much money being made and so much opportunity to take advantage of this data? I have a theme I'm thinking about writing about this week that most of civilization is a cheap date to these companies, that they get a map, you get a map and some email and something else and you think that's a great trade when in fact it's probably the worst trade you've ever made. How do you get that within the companies? You were running one of these companies and obviously you were Surprised by that video, for example. And it killed the company. That video killed the company.”
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“We're going to take a quick break now, but we'll be back in a minute to this conversation with the creators of the new documentary, The Great Hack.”
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“Jumping off a cliff into this world who can take you into the stakes of the conversation. And we found that with David Carroll, who here was a person saying, I'm not going to wait for the Mueller report or whatever report's out there. I want to figure out what do I get to know about myself and was just asking simple questions about data transparency and put himself into the ring to ask that. You also had someone like Carol Codwaller who was obsessing in the journalistic endeavors of figuring out what happened and what do we have the right to know and how do we hold power accountable. And then it was important that you had people who were coming out of from the inside of these places, people like Chris Wiley, people like Brittany Kaiser, and even people like Julian who did not have to agree to be in this documentary.”
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