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  1. So I started blogging because I wanted a science show. At the time, there was like zero women and zero people of color and definitely no one who was intersectional who occupied these multiple identities of a woman and a person of color. So I wanted a science show. So I was documenting and kind of putting out content of what I thought would be great, you know, little episodes. So the moonshot for me would be to do a science show. It'd be awesome to do a whole version, if you will, of like a nature show of me explaining like, you see what's happening now? Let me explain this.

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  2. Yeah. What's so interesting about that is that's where innovation comes from, new ideas, and the circulation of new ideas. So last question before we send you back to the TED conference. So what do you hope to accomplish with this work? What's the moonshot

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  3. And so that's why I want to recenter who's at the center. So when we look at what questions are marginalized communities asking themselves every day. That I just want to recenter. Let's pick this microscope up literally a telescope and let's move it 30 degrees. Yeah.

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  4. How can we help you cultivate the science in you to ask that question, to test it, to validate it, and to affirm the science genius I know that already exists? And so we are missing out on a lot of good questions. So, what people don't recognize is that all the innovation we have in the world, how science works, people are pursuing questions that are personally relevant. There is no recipe. You're not told you're studying this. You're studying that. And so from my perspective, it's a miracle. We have amassed as much knowledge as we have because everyone's simply pursuing personally interesting questions.

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  5. But what they don't tell you is you can't ask good questions about the world if you haven't been paying attention. So the real first step of science, of the scientific process, is observation. And we got, as we say in the hood, the streets is watching. We got a lot of folks with eyes out there who have a really good understanding of the ecologies, the ecosystem. The science, both wildlife and natural science, which I study, or even the night skies and the stars and how things are moving, there's a lot of observers out there that we don't recognize as authentic observers. And they have good questions in them. And just giving them the space and recognizing like, you know, when you have a question in you.

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  6. And so something you said to me is observation is the foundation of scientific process. Tell me about that because I asked you yesterday when we talked, like, why is this important? Like, why? And you talked about that, the scientific process. So explain that.

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  7. Yeah, and that's why I think being in academia puts me in a safe space. To do that so that I can pop in and out and do it as I see, like that's the place right there. Everything's not always easily scalable.

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  8. Yeah. I spent eight years in tech. I worked at Twitter and Google, and there's a huge focus on scale. What can you scale? But the kind of work I did, which was talking about the company's roles in journalism, kind of doesn't scale. You just have to go out and have conversations.

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  9. So, the execution for this idea is primarily me talking to my students in class. Now, some of my music is dated, so I get blank looks, but I'm like, you all know these songs. I hear you all bopping to them. But it means interacting with my students. I've done some, I still get invited to do speaking engagements. So this is really where it happens in the speaking engagements, in the kind of venued events to talk about these things.

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  10. Uh... Very clever. Yeah, cool. So you started. So that was what 10 years ago, 12 years ago. So you started using social media, you started telling stories, you started creating your own content. Where are you at today? Like, how do you execute this work today? I know you spent a lot of time in Tanzania conducting research the other part of your life spent in St. Louis teaching. So what is the execution like for this idea?

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  11. And that's when I started blogging. Yep, the highlight of networks So I was on a. If the time was a brand new science network because there was a lot of reconfiguring. That was the other play. It was on the Southern Fried Science blog network. Very clever network. So it was a play on the Southern Fried Science. And also the fact that I'm from the South. And yeah, cool.

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  12. How I get started was actually through social media. I use blogging. So, you know, the golden age of blogging around 0607 when it was really hitting. I just started blogging about these experiences. And so these were ideas that had been swirling around in my head for the longest time. And I started a blog called. Southern playeric. Evolution music.

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  13. Little bit now. I was, I think they did, yes, no doubt, but I was also very tenacious I refuse no as an answer. So much of it. I've had professors who are like, you just weren't going away. I'm like, exactly.

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  14. Somewhat there is genius out there. Now, the pipeline problem is real as far as the formal education part. We are losing people because some of these spaces are not welcoming enough. Or the people who are in charge of educating them and holding these precious young people and preparing them, sometimes like patience to let people go through stuff. Or find their way Or just they just don't recognize genius if it doesn't come in a package that they're prepared for.

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  15. You could talk about 36 mafia and what's happening in nature or quantum physics. They need to know that that's normal. So, what I'm trying to do is until we get the numbers, I'm trying to create a perception of normality that we are there and present.

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  16. I was like, I speak both science and I speak what's happening, you know, some variations of hood, Southern vernacular in particular. And I want to at least communicate with younger versions of myselves. Yeah. Well, so what was the inspiration for this idea? What's the inspiration for inclusive science and dedicating yourself to talking about this on such big stages? I am trying to replace myself. Tell me, what does that mean? That means I want to see other copies of me, you know, young women, young people who come from the hood, who come from urban areas, who come from the south, who come from working class families and come from team moms and, you know, those people have expertise and genius. We don't often think about all these different layers and flavors of genius. And you have so many nerdy black and brown kids and they need to know it's all right to be hood and nerdy at the

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  17. College educated white man who works in middle management. That's the average reader of those types of magazines who's being left out. We're leaving a lot of folks out. And I can't talk to everybody, but I know my audience because I come from that audience.

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  18. That's amazing. So, your big idea that you're bringing to Ted and that you want to talk about today is about, you've talked to me a little bit about centering marginalized voices in the conversation and this idea of inclusive science. Talk about what that means. That means making room at the table. Even if you think the table is full, you make space available to scooch over and you bring people to the table and recognize who's not there. whose voices aren't there, whose ability to communicate and tap into audiences that are being left behind. And so I come from what I call an underserved audience is like urban audiences and African American and brown are these kind of mixed culture audiences are often overlooked and completely underserved. Like if you look at the average science, you know, information going out, like science magazines. I've written for Scientific American. The average reader of those types of magazines is a 49-year-old.

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  19. You should do a project on it. And he kind of sketched out the experimental design because I wasn't really there yet. And it started as just a simple summer project. He told me, he's like, you can do this. This is research you could do in two months. I worked on that for two and a half years. But it was the hook that got me hooked into doing science formally until then I was set on going to veterinary school because I thought the only career available to you if you liked animals was veterinary medicine or maybe a zookeeper. But what I loved about it was doing science was I no longer asked anyone any questions anymore. I was equipped to answer my own questions.

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  20. Tell me a little bit about how you got into your scientist. Why did you decide to become a scientist? I've always loved animals. I was that kid who spent time outside a lot because I got to go to work with my mom. She worked outdoors. And so I lived in the park. I was hunting for leaf clovers and I learned this ecology. I didn't know the word at the time about when things were happening and, you know, in my neighborhood. My little patches of nature were my parks and my schoolyard and backyard. And I was always just collecting stuff and bringing stuff home and asking a lot of questions about why animals did this and why they did that. And throughout school and college, I could get no satisfactory answers, none. Until one day, one of the papers I wrote in my animal communications class, the professor said, this is a great idea.

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  21. So, my big idea is using culturally relevant context to communicate science to audiences who have been traditionally overlooked by popular science outreach in media. So I grew up listening to hip-hop and I was that kid who liked watching nature shows, but I always felt like I can narrate it better by using a vernacular and lexicon that represented how I spoke and how we talked in my neighborhood. You know, just like you see that bird, he rolling up on her because he's like, hey, hey mom. What's up?

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  22. Danielle, welcome to Recode Decode. Thank you. So let's start out. You gave a talk about the birds and the bees. It was a biology talk about how mating and monogamy. But what was really interesting is you really talked about how you can use hip-hop to frame and communicate science to a broader audience. So first, tell me a little bit about your talk, but what's your big idea that you want to talk about today? So I like that you call it the birds and the bees. I sometimes call it the birds, the bees, and the beets.

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  23. Yes, her name is Dr. Danielle N. Lee. She's an assistant professor at Southern Illinois University, and we talk about diversity in STEM. I started off by asking her about the talk she gave at this year's conference, which was called How Hip Hop Helps Us Understand Science.

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  24. A space environmentalist. An astro. Space trash? Yes, space trash. Well, that's a big deal because one of them is going public. One of them beyond me, if I had to go public? Anyway, it's an interesting area, and we've actually had a lot of that on the stages of code and everything. I have to say, it sounds like a meaty set of interviews. So, first up is this biologist.

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  25. Yeah, well, we're gonna hear from behavioral biologist, a space environmentalist, an astro space trash? Yes, space junk, an astrophysicist. And then we're gonna close the show by talking about the future of artificial meat.

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  26. You know, it's all really healthy. Yeah. But yeah, they chop up the grass outside and then exactly. Yeah. You know what I mean? So anyway, today we're going to play four interviews you did with these TED fellows that you picked. Who are we going to hear from? Yeah.

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  27. Yeah, it was great. Well, as you know, Ted has been a big annual conference for almost 30 years, but for the last 10 years, they've used this fellows program to bring new emerging voices to the show. So it's basically a mix of people who are on the cutting edge of science and technology, and they get this prominent role to play because they give the opening talks on the first day of the conference.

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  28. Hi, I'm Kara Swisher, editor at large of Recode. You may know me as the person who gave a TED talk about why Captain Marvel is the only good Avengers character, but in my spare time I talk tech and you're listening to Rico Decode from the Vox Media Podcast Network. Today I'm passing the mic to my executive producer, Erica Anderson, who recently attended the TED conference in Vancouver. Hey, Erica? So, while you were in Vancouver, you recorded a bunch of mini interviews with some of the TED fellows. So, first off, why don't you explain what a TED Fellow is and what TED is? How did you like it?

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