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  1. I don't know. It's possible. It's possible. Last time I talked to him, he said, I really should sit down for an interview with you. All right. People would really respect it. They would.

    2017-11-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Katy Tur, author, ‘Unbelievable.’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  2. Yeah, but you know, it's just we need to find a way to get back on the same page and to share a set of facts and to share a set of values. And until we do that, I don't know how anything changes. Last question.

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  3. I think everybody needs to tone it, tone it the F down. Just tone it down. Just bring down the volume. Because if we're all loud about everything, nothing penetrates. I think we're facing big dangers when it comes to our sovereignty, when it comes to our democratic process, our elections. We have a foreign power that's trying to manipulate us. We need to focus on that. That is a huge story. You can't let that keep happening. Otherwise, where will we be? Look at that story in the New York Times about Idaho Falls and fake news, how it's ripping the town apart. That's a really scary story. It terrified me.

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  4. I just wonder if the DNC has their finger on the pulse. I mean, they put out a press release after Flake announced that he wasn't running again, just attacking Flake. And it's like, a little tone death.

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  5. I think that the conventional wisdom is that you don't want to put your hat in the ring too early because you don't want to be the focus of everybody's attention, the focus of all of the criticisms.

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  6. She's good with the hell. That's true. Those are the names that people look at in the Democratic Party for potential leaders in 2020. I wonder if there's somebody just completely different than we're just not thinking of.

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  7. For I mean, right now, the big other voices, the big gets are yourself, you know, the people that don't want to be gotten because they don't want to get the hellfire from the other side, which is Camela Harris, Corey Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders.

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  8. And Hold on, that's not my job. My job is not the antidote to Donald Trump. My job is not to tell people how to vote. My job is not to convince people that Donald Trump is terrible.

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  9. I don't know. I wish I had answers. I think we won't have any of those answers. We won't truly know until all of us get back out on the road

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  10. And then the byline or the author, not the byline, the little author note after every... I think it was a mistake. I think it was a mistake to be seen as being combative in that way.

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  11. But who do you like go? Okay, when because you, you know, you had a sense that Donald Trump was more serious before when people were having a post call to put him in entertainment. You had a sense that maybe it's.

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  12. The only thing people want to talk about is Donald Trump. So they have to find a way to get their ideas, their platform, their policies, their initiatives. Who does?

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  13. Doing different things. Yeah, which they did, and then they voted for Donald Trump. The message for them is a purely economic message, but Democrats like Donald Trump's Republican competitors as well get caught up in, again, the daily controversy. Donald Trump is horrible for saying this. So Donald Trump is horrible for saying that, or Donald Trump is trying to do this or that. I mean, I think the problem is it can't be about Donald Trump.

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  14. She's the anti Trump presumably. Here's the thing. I don't know, and I don't think anybody knows. I think it's all so we're all living in this fog and we can't see past it. I don't know how Democrats are going to be able to reach the voter that maybe voted for Barack Obama for eight years. Which they did. What did terms?

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  15. Be over when you have Democrats on your show now. Do you feel like there's an equal fight? Do you feel like you have Democrats around the table as often as you have Republicans around the table? Do you feel like the Democrats have shown up for the challenge in a way that you think gets to the people that you met on the campaign trail? I think they're trying to.

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  16. So, what happens with the We have five minutes left? What do you imagine happens? Talk a little bit about when you think about you're now a political reporter, whether you like it or not. Where does it go? I mean, people talk about the fatigue and people will get over it and he'll be voted out and this and that. What is your assessment given?

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  17. As long as he's fighting all of us, then he's fighting for them. Yeah. And so if we did shift, if we did say, you know, actually your water's going to be more polluted. Your kid is going to be less safe in school. If we did more of that

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  18. And this big picture analysis, this big picture fight that we are constantly participating in, covering, choose your word is actually the very thing, isn't it, that keeps his supporters on his side because it's the very thing that makes them believe that he

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  19. Yeah, I mean, it's hard because, again, it's the president of the United States. How do you ignore the president of the United States when he says something, it is necessarily news. When he is, there's no diplomacy with North Korea. When the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Bob Corker says, I think he's putting us in danger. You have to cover that. That is a huge story. We have North Korea and nukes. How do you not cover the president going after a gold star family, another widow? How do you not focus on the change in In what we find acceptable in this country, the sea change of how Americans not only are perceived, but what we tolerate, I mean, there is so much happening culturally that demands our attention. We have to figure out a way to balance that. And talk about what is happening behind this big picture.

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  20. Consumers to protect investors, to protect homeowners, whatever it is, protect our water, to protect our air, to protect our national parks, to protect our monuments, whatever it is. I mean, there's so much that's happening behind the scenes that we don't get to see because We can't figure out how much attention

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  21. It's dangerous. It's dangerous. When are you going to believe it? The surprises and the indignation is misplaced. And it's not effective. I think we need to come at everything with the knowledge of what happened in the campaign, which is not to normalize any of this, but to try and follow what matters more than, again, the bouncing ball, more than the daily tweets or the daily controversy or the fight that he's in today. It's hard because that gets so much attention. It's hard because that's what everybody is talking about. It's hard to pull it back and say, wait, hold on, while you weren't looking, this regulation just got rolled back or this committee just passed this bill and is trying to, I don't know, undo Dodd-Frank or, I mean, any of the number of things that were put into place to protect.

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  22. That idea first miss the joke the entire time now is indignant almost all the time. I often have reporters. It's dangerous. A reporter's going, I can't believe it. I'm like, what? The hundredth time he's done it? When are you going to believe it?

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  23. Change that will be a He's accomplishing a lot through executive order, but his accomplishments are just, as you said, the rollback of regulations. And is that being covered enough? I don't think we do. I think we could stand to cover what's going on at the EPA, for instance, a lot more. I think that there's a lot of things that are happening there that aren't getting enough attention and could have severe consequences for the future. I think we're falling into the same trap.

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  24. I wonder if you think so too little media attention is. They've essentially begun to dismantle the government, its regulations, its consumer safety, its financial security. The cross-the-board gamut of regulations that have been changed or are in the process of being changed that will be extraordinarily difficult to undo. Do you think that that's getting enough attention vis- ⁇-vis, so in essence, Donald Trump is accomplishing a huge amount? That is true. But is it the things that people sort of expected and are really thinking about?

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  25. I want to talk about the Democrats in a minute, but Sarah Huckabee Sanders yesterday, the press secretary, said at a briefing something that got everybody sort of all up in arms again when she said that Donald Trump has accomplished more in his nine months than Barack Obama did. It's a lie. But what I thought was interesting, and I wonder if the media is covering this enough, which is clearly they've had no legislative victories to speak of. But what they have done systematically and effectively that gets

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  26. But there are still 49 Republican senators. I think it's becoming clearer that the Republican Party, as we knew it, is ceasing to exist. It's now becoming the party of Donald Trump, whatever that is. And then the question is, what is a party? What is a policy for the party of Donald Trump? Where do you stand on things? Is it just finding a way to say how great he is all the time? Is that what the Republican Party is going to be going forward? So, I mean, we cover the fracturing of the party and where it goes next every day. We cover the press briefing. We try to fact-check it as needed. We fact-check the president as needed. We're trying to follow this Zeitgeist. Where does it lead next? And then the Democrats, what's going on with the Democrats?

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  27. It is everything in relation to. Everything now is in relation to Donald Trump. How do people, not do you vote on my side, but are you praising me? And that's where this administration stands. It's not enough to be a conservative. It's not enough to be a Republican voting Republican. You've got to be a Republican who is enthusiastic about the president, who is willing to ignore the times that he lies, is willing to say how great he is on camera in those boardroom-esque, as we call them, where he has everyone go around the room and tell him how great it is.

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  28. Yeah. So, what you're doing now, you're doing a show, you're doing a daily show. Let's talk about this. It's a lot of to do with politics. It's pretty much all politics. You don't really cover anything else. Talk about where you think the current state we are in this administration. Because today, again, the two senators leaving

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  29. It is. I mean, it's exhausting even from the position that I'm in as an anchor covering it every day. I mean, it was exhausting during the campaign and it was infuriating and also just tiring having to stand up for basic facts. Yes, gravity exists. You know, CNN has a great ad out right now, and I shouldn't be promoting a competitor, but it's a great ad this is an Apple. You may hear people say it's a banana, but it's not. It's an apple. I mean, I was just, I was tired of having that fight day in and day out. I was also tired of being so glued to my email.

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  30. I didn't want to go to Washington. I think what made me so effective during this campaign was that I wasn't a political animal and I shouldn't become a political animal. I also a smart decision. I had had enough of the daily interaction with him and his team. I did it. I wanted to write this book. It would have been really difficult to write this book had I been in the White House press corps. On a personal level, I'm getting married. So I wanted to maintain this relationship. It's the first time I think I made a really personal decision in my life. Also a healthy one.

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  31. But you made the decision alluded to after the campaign and recode listeners might not know this, but it's sort of typical after a presidential campaign for the top reporters covering the candidate that wins to then get what is considered sort of the plum reporting position, which is to be the White House correspondent.

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  32. Enthusiasm, and I thought you can't discount it. And bringing the emails back up, the Comey stuff was a way for Donald Trump to convince weary Republicans, moderates, or people on the fence that they should come home. They should vote for him and they can't take the risk. I know everyone will say but her emails, but her emails. I don't know either. I was covering the Trump campaign, so I rarely talked about that. There's all those answers will come out sooner or sooner or later, probably a little bit down the line, if anything. Or not, or nothing.

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  33. They would dance around it, you know, because it's an uncomfortable thing. I was talking to one staffer about his attacks on the press and more in general. I don't like to just make it about me towards the end of the campaign. And I said, does he know what he's doing? Does he know that he's putting us in danger? Does he remember Roanoke, the two reporters that got killed on camera? Is you worried about it? Yes, he knows. No, he's not worried about it. He doesn't care. Doesn't care

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  34. Amazing You develop a relationship, and there was some of his campaign staff thought it was, you know, didn't like what he was doing to me specifically. What did they say?

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  35. Bit like what Maggie Heyerman does on the prince side, right? Where you know, he attacks the New York Times constantly. Maggie's amazing, but is consistently calling up Maggie. So you've become that in many ways on the broadcast relationship.

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  36. You continued even during those attacks to have a significant amount of access, which I found interesting. And I thought in your book was really well described, that you continued to speak regularly with Hope Hicks, who's now the communications director, press secretary in the campaign, that Trump continued to talk to you so that he would use you publicly, but privately you'd still get your stories, you'd still get some interviews, and you'd still...

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  37. Who I respect and who I've always looked up to coming up to me and saying, Are you okay? I mean, can I walk you to your car? Is NBC taking care of you? I can't believe he's doing this. Does he understand what's happening? And then you brought it out, and you say, but this is an attack on all of us. And there was real concern that somebody was going to get hurt, real genuine concern that somebody was going to get hurt, surprised that it hadn't happened already.

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  38. On you. Oh, but they attacks on me personally on Katie Tur. They were appalled. I mean, I would get people coming up to me, other reporters.

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  39. I'm not a social anthropologist. How did the other reporters took a few minutes in this section react to this to you? What happened in the dynamic? Because there is a dynamic among reporters on the campaign trail.

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  40. She wasn't the only one, but she was the one that we got the best images of, I guess. Donald Trump can grab me by my, and she had an arrow pointed down. Look like a normal woman. She's wearing glasses. She looked like someone's mom. You know, she looked like someone on the PTA. At somebody's middle school. Like, she didn't look crazy, but she wanted her.

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  41. Yeah, absolutely. I went to several of those rallies after that. There were a lot of women there. And one woman was wearing a shirt that said,

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  42. So the first rally out of that was thousands of people. Thousands, I don't remember exactly where it was. I think it might have been Ohio. Thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of people screaming and sharing. The more that he was backed into a corner, the more that they felt like they needed to defend him, the louder they got. There was a woman wearing a shirt. An equal amount of women.

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  43. What's going to happen at his first rally after that? If the same amount of people, the same amount of enthusiasm is out there, then we'll know it doesn't really matter. And that's what happens. To talk about that.

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  44. I don't know. Because I thought it might for a few reasons. One, his campaign went completely dark. 50 former and current Republican lawmakers were either calling for him to drop out or calling for him or saying they weren't going to vote for him. The crescendo of condemnation was a crescendo. It was loud. Then again, I knew that Donald Trump was not somebody who would ever drop out of anything. He would never quit. And if you force, if you pushed him back into a corner, he would just fight harder. So what happened in, what was going to happen in the debate was my question. How was he going to try and turn this on Hillary Clinton? How would he use Bill Clinton and his accusers? Would that work for him? And then the real test was...

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  45. Crises were going to stop. Did you think this one would? I thought this one might, but then I, but almost immediately, I thought, well, I don't know.

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  46. And then thinking, wow, if, oh my God, if anything's going to stop this campaign, it's going to be this or is it? You know, I think I thought immediately, oh my God, this he can never. You were the one who kept telling.

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  47. You know, the first time I heard the tape, I was sitting in an office and my ear was right up against the computer because the volume was really low. And I. Make out Donald Trump's voice distinctly, it's a voice at that point I knew better than my own, and you know, he's talking about trying to sleep with a married woman. He's saying these things that on a hot mic that clearly he would. If he knew, although he had been saying wild stuff on Howard Stern before, so this is not totally out of character. But hearing him say, you can grab them by the pussy was, I mean, my jaw, a cartoonishly dropped to the floor. I remember yelling out in this executive's office, in executive row where everyone's relatively quiet. Oh my God, did Donald Trump just say he can grab women by the pussy? I mean, screaming this out.

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  48. How did that feel? Because for up until that point, you were really reporting on the voters as much as you were reporting on Trump. And all of a sudden this is personal, it's emotional, it's about women and sexual harassment. And I don't think there is a single one of us covering the campaign that didn't also sort of take this personally. How was that going out there first and taking this on?

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  49. And once you're on a campaign, once you're a candidate, there gets to be a point where every day is so wrote that you don't learn any new information. You're only retaining the things you learned. In the early days of the candidacy, because you can't absorb new information, there's just too much incoming.

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  50. Yeah, exactly. A little Kim Jong-un, little Katie Tur, a little Bob Corker. He'll go after men, though, as well, and he called Tommy Yamas' sleeves, for instance. I think that there's probably a lot of reasons why he singled me out so much. I'm not in his head, so I can't tell you the one overwhelming factor that was at play. But I will say this. I was on the campaign trail earlier than anyone else. I was the first network news correspondent assigned to cover him full-time. The first one to essentially take him seriously as a presidential candidate. And there were long months where I was the only familiar face in a room for him. So he knew if he wanted to go after the press. You were teaching. Yeah, and he knew if he wanted to make someone the face of it that I would be back there because I was always there. He got to know me.

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