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Ken Buck

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2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know if they can do it. I would agree with them. I think the leadership didn't press it. I blame Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer, honestly. If you recall Klobachar on stage at Code basically said, Kara, I promise this will pass. Oh, it didn't pass.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know. How are the stories told? Let me just say it was 26 white men on the Upper East Side of New York. Is that what we want? No. There was not a woman to be found. There wasn't a person of color on those. I was in those meetings. I was as an aide or whatever. I'm just saying the more voices, the better. That said, the power is the problem. That's where we agree completely. Too many, there should be 10 Elon Musk. There should be 10 Googles, that kind of thing. Yeah, I agree.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I know that. Of course not, but I'm just saying we do get to, people do get to make decisions on what they want to do. And I think the problem is all these conspiracy theorists are ridiculous on some level.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes. To make it into jump it into a conspiracy is just, you know, just like with me now on Twitter. I mean, I think they are suppressing it. I don't have any proof, but he can do it. That's how I feel if he wants to suppress it.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I just like that. I like that. I mean, I think he's the stuff around Google was ridiculous. But I think directionally he's correct. These people have too much power. And that's when we got to that, there's where you find common ground. It's like, this is like, look, we could argue about what's actually happening. And I'm someone who prefers actual proof.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think he minded getting overheard, honestly. He was thrilled to get overheard. He's a maverick type of person, just like a lot of people.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I know. Congress. Why do they talk in the elevators? Why don't they understand everybody's listening? When I was a page, whatever, I worked for a senator in Congress. I listened to everybody. When I was in college, my freshman year, Senator S.I. Hayaka, a Republican. I think I've said this too. I listened to everything. I was like always sneaking around and listening.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, last question. If you're thinking about that, if they're spending a lot of time doing this, what is the chance of an antitrust bill in this Congress?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The way it was Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love, just so you know, it's really fascinating to watch Rohogan's not fall in line because I've always experienced them as being much more better behaved than Democrats. One last question. You recently were overheard in a congressional elevator saying that kicking Ilan Omar off the Foreign Affairs Committee was, quote, in this vein, the stupidest vote in the world. Please elaborate. Is it performance art too?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You flew to DC after a medical procedure to make sure Kevin McCarthy was elected as Speaker. It was very dramatic when I heard your name called John Boehner and Paul Ryan had much larger majorities and they had a very hard time wrangling the conference. There's been recent stories he's having a hard time wrangling the conference. What's been your advice to McCarthy?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All right, I've got just a couple more questions about politics and then I'll let you go. But the upcoming debt ceiling standoff, you said the threat of default is overstated. How so?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, last question there. When it comes to competition, which of the big tech companies is the least problematic, what is the most from your perspective?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What about Apple? There's no lawsuit in the US yet, but this month the White House said they agree with Elon Musk and many others, Basecamp and others, the App Store is 30% commission is bad for competition.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, FTC's potential lawsuit against Amazon. It looks like LenaCon might file suit in the coming months. Do you want her to?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it's interesting. I know that market argument, I hear it from the tech people all the time. And I'm always like, well, Microsoft, which is an enormous, one of the most valuable companies in the world, is challenging them. Are they the upstart? Is that the real upstart we want? I just am sort of like. So, in AI, it's now Google, Amazon. It's the same group of people fighting each other versus a new entrant. So let's talk about legislation to lawsuits. Right now, it is in the courts is where this is being fought out. So let's do a quick lightning round. You used to be a prosecutor, so I want your take on how prosecutors are approaching each case. The DOJ's lawsuit against Google's ad tech business. What do you make of Jonathan Cantor's filing? Yeah.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I would agree. I can't believe it didn't pass. What about the recently more powerful personalities like Marjorie Taylor Green, an active user of Twitter, Lauren Bobert, also an active user, Matt Gates? Do they have an influence here, Jim Jordan, for example?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, does Kevin McCarthy have your back when it comes to fighting big tech? You lost leadership position on the House Judiciary Committee to Thomas Massey, who is, I would say, is not as interested in passing antitrust legislation as you. What was that message leadership was sending here?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This unnamed congresswoman won with 86% in spite of Amazon's ad because Amazon didn't carry water with its own employees or these third-party sellers. Why are Congress members so afraid of this?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Can you explain how that constrains congress members if they fear those ads, correct? I mean, they're really quite something to watch them happen. Senator Klobuchar told me that many of the Congress members that wanted to do it then came to her and said, sorry, no, no can-do.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All right, so let's move on to the bigger bills. Chuck Schumer said he would bring them up for a vote. Never happened. Again, Senator Kobachar was involved. Senator Grassley, I think you were also involved. We recently had on Tim Wu, one of President Biden's former antitrust czars. And he said big tech basically threatened to fund ads against anyone who voted for the bills. Does that ring true to you?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Do you think it should have passed? Were you surprised it passed in Australia, for example? There's Canada's considering something like this. Is this needed? I know Senator Klobuchar was sorely disappointed when it died.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, much needed. They are much outgunned. It's hard to say that about the federal government, but they definitely are against people who have more means, the tech companies. Which brings me to another bail that was supposed to be in the omnibus, the journalism and competition preservation act. You told the Washington Post that bill had Kevin McCarthy's approval. Few Republican centers were against it. And they got McConnell to actually kill it. Talk about that bill because Amy Klobachar was behind that and has tried to work in a bipartisan way to get this passed. Talk about what was in it and why were some of the Republican centers intent on getting rid of it, including Ted Cruz who wrote the forward to your book.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I agree with you. I think my issue wasn't so much that they kicked them off as that one person made the decision versus lots of people, that there wasn't an alternative for Parlor to go anywhere, which is why I think there should be alternatives. So let's dive into that, the legislative weeds a little. Last year, you got a couple of small tech bills into the omnibus bill last year. Talk about what the bills do.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm the reason they got kicked off, so I know a lot about this. I did that interview with the CEO where he was saying things that were really beyond the pale at that moment. I do believe it was, I agree, Facebook was much more used by the planners of that mob attack. But at the same time, Parlor just happened to be the lowest hanging fruit. I don't know. And the guy went on my podcast and said terrible things. So I don't know if that's quite as much of a plot as that.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, according to Reuters' investigation, ATT essentially built Own, and they provided 90% of the income brought in by. I think they were trying to make it work. I've never met a capitalist who doesn't want to make money off of anything they can make. That's my thing. I just don't think somehow they've decided to be more woke than greedy.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Direct TV has said they want to carry the network, they just don't want to pay as much as Newsmac wants. It seems like it's a business dispute. You'd think it's not.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Speaking of cable TV, you've also accused direct TV in their parent company, ATT, of censorship for dropping conservative network newsmax. Cable and satellite companies drop underperforming networks all the time, and this happens to be an underperforming network. And there is certainly competition in cable. So is that different, or can they just do that?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In some ways, I can't stand what he's doing, but he can do what he wants. He paid all that ridiculous amount of money for it. And so it's a private company. Do you ever think, well, it's not really a public square, it's a private company. I guess I'm a little more capitalist than you, which is shocking. But I feel like if he bought it, he can break it, which is what he seems to be doing daily.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I found that there was no again proof. I saw there was proof of incompetence, that's for sure, and I saw that there was proof of people having a very difficult time doing their jobs because it was so massive. And Elon to me is doing the exact same thing. It just he happens to own it. And he's doing what works for him. I don't know if you use Twitter a lot, but how badly the 4U algorithm works now, all I see are Elon's tweets, which I don't welcome necessarily. And he's definitely got a political agenda from what I can tell. I can't tell quite what it is on any given day. But this is another single person owning a single platform and doing what he feels like. Do you equate them to Google's or the old Twitter or anything else?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, he definitely. I'm sorry. I know their rules back and forth. He definitely kept violating them. But go ahead. But they gave him allowances because he was president. But go ahead.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What NIF areas things do you think? Because right now there's again no proof that they did anything but make stupid mistakes on all sides. And in fact, more mistakes when it came to Donald Trump, for example”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay. So one of the things you just mentioned was Twitter. You recently retweeted Elon Musk and wrote, other online platforms must follow suit of promoting free speech values. I'm curious why, because he does throw people off at will and just decides probably in the middle of the night. And then it's well reported. He just decides to throw people off. Isn't that the same thing? Or do you, how do you look at what he's doing there?”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think we completely agree there. The January 6th committee had 122 page memo that described how big tech. And now I'm going to use that term very loosely because I think all these companies are different. I don't think there's one monolith necessarily. They allowed calls for violence to spread on the platforms, but according to reporting in the Washington Post, O'Lofgren, the Democratic Congresswoman from California, may have helped remove the memo from the final report. Do you think that should have come out? You wouldn't allege that they were in cahoots with the people who, the mob on January 6th, correct”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's why I think with you on that. I just don't know if they actually did it. You can't convict someone of murder before someone's actually dead. You understand how to prove things. You also don't agree on a news piece, right? New York Times doesn't have to can put up anything it wants, so can the Wall Street Journal, so can't put up.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it's another issue that's being litigated. And whether they have First Amendment rights or not, they are monopolies and they are monopolies.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“From conservative news sources is that they were treated differently in June of 2020 than they were in May of 2020, and that stayed the same for the rest of the year. Okay, but you said they chose the winner. So again, proof is what I'm talking about. When is that whistleblower coming forward, I guess? Well, I don't have a whistleblower at this point in time. What I do have are conservative news sources telling me that something changed. They believe it was the algorithm. And they believed it influenced in terms of the volume that they were receiving, it influenced tens of millions of votes. These companies do have First Amendment rights to do what they want, correct? I would think we'd agree on that.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And influenced people and influenced up to 50 million people. Now, I don't look at an algorithm. I don't know if you can, but the only way really to prove something like that is somebody who worked on the algorithm becomes a whistleblower and steps forward and says, you know, this happened. But clearly the anecdotal information that I”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I want to understand where the proof is because instead of saying Dominion change votes, which great amount of litigation going on about that right now, you're saying Google moved votes. How is that better? No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is that Google changed their algorithm.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're much different. As you know, I think the Hunter Biden thing was a huge mistake, not necessarily purposefully. They just did it because they were worried about non-consensual photos, all kinds of things, but they made a mistake and then they corrected it. But when you came on my show last year, you said, quote, I don't believe in the big lie. So let's play a recording of a meeting you had with your constituents in 2021 where you said Google chose the winner and moved 15 million votes”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Wouldn't have otherwise had. I think they have far too much power, but the idea of this conspiracy theory is I haven't seen proof, let's just say. I'm looking forward to seeing proof. Seeing proof of it them sitting in a room and making decisions like this. Let me give you an example. Last month you said Google changed its algorithm to quote benefit Joe Biden in disadvantaged Donald Trump. I do think you're wrong because I haven't seen any evidence that they have actually done this. So how do you come to that conclusion? I come to the conclusion because I've had publishers. And more than one conservative. That in June of 2020, their readership changed, and when they looked into They found that their results on Google”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Behest of the government. Sometimes they are trying to make sure that their version of the efficacy Of Or vaccines. Is not Sort of an idea. They also are doing it in other areas. I think the Hunter Biden laptops. Is a good example of how An election. And I'm not suggesting that the election was stolen I'm not suggesting that The difference would have been a different president in 2020. But I am suggesting that's. A power that they”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, you've never met venture capitalist Representative Buck. I think they like their money. So you've recently published this new book called Crushed Big Tech's War on Free Speech. I want you to describe the war in your terms. Sure. Well, I think what we have is several companies. Who The flow of In this country And by controlling that flow of information. They can influence outcomes of elections. Public opinion. All right, but do they? They do all the time. Sometimes they do it at the”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then the band comes off. But hopefully it happens before there is a ban and people don't get service disrupted. Time we're protecting the American public. Yeah, what's I think people don't realize is there's a lot of US money tied up in TikTok. A lot of the big investors in TikTok are U.S. venture capitalists and others. And so does that create a problem because a lot of this could hurt U.S. interests or financial interests? Yeah, I think people invest money and they understand the ris And frankly, I think when they understand the potential Harm the investors would want to act responsibly and would want this change to occur.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Put in place that will satisfy people. But when you do this, do you think it's kind of like not saber-rattling, but smartphone rattling at the Chinese? Do you think it's effective? Because you do have the popularity of the app here. It's obviously a good app. Have you used TikTok? I have not. You haven't, so you don't know. It's really fun. It really is. It's well done. But what's the actual chances of a ban from your perspective? I have to say a lot of people I never thought would say it are saying it, is that in order to get them to an area where our teens can use TikTok and not us feel at risk? Yeah, I think that's the exact reason for it. Now, at what point does somebody blink and we move forward? Perhaps there is a ban and then there is This change in data collection and ownership.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“States. I think before it gets banned, and it's a very popular app, and I understand that, but before it gets banned, there will be Some”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All right, welcome Representative Buck. It's been about a year since we talked last time. I think that's right. So we've got a lot to talk about. But before we dive into the weeds, do you wanted the president to declare a national emergency and ban TikTok? Explain why you asked for this. True. The CCP in China. Are clearly For the United States. TikTok is one of many ways that they will gather information on Americans. Any future war, and hopefully we never have a war. China or Russia or any of our adversaries, but if we do, it'll be fought in space and it'll be fought in cyber. And the cyber war Depends on Are gathering from TikTok. So until TikTok is an American company with a data. Here in America that cannot be accessed by the communists. Then it needs”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I have, but unfortunately they have not. Everybody promises me that they'll do it, but they don't do it. So there we are.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But that's not how you, it's not true, not with lack of truth. It's this. This is something we need big means not innovation. Thank you. That really should be it. We're a democracy. We're lots of small startups should be able to compete. And so I just, it's pretty basic. And I think I do agree with Ken Buck and David Ciclini on this.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Do. They only care when it's young girls. It was just a terrible CDC report out about the impact of the mental illness with teen girls.”
2023-02-16 · On with Kara Swisher · Ken Buck Takes On the Big Tech Boogeyman · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT