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  1. I think it's probably because I want to avoid an even more difficult conversation down the road if I'm caught not Speaking the truth the first time around. It's a lot more difficult to have the conversation to say like, oh, yeah, I kind of wasn't like fully bringing everything to light in this original conversation. And I feel like I just, I don't know, man. Like, if you admit your faults, then other people can't point them out in you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, definitely.

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  2. I think that there's blame to be put all over the place. I could point to a thousand different things that we would do differently next time around.

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  3. Just that I would put the blame on engineering when they thought the blame was an upper management and blah blah blah. And don't get me wrong, the blame was absolutely on upper management and there was...

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  4. Like, as Jack Dorsey puts it in an interview that I did with him, he says that you need to constantly be pruning and editing your team to make sure that you have the right people in the right roles. And that's something that you, as a successful entrepreneur, he has constantly done. That means sometimes having very difficult, tough conversations with employees and letting people go. And so I talked about that on stage and talked about how I would have done things differently, blah, blah. And I upset a lot of past employees. What upset?

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  5. They were, but I was also a member of that group because I had since left IG. And, you know, the blame is definitely on me from the get-go because I'm the one that founded the company. So I can't really, the buck stops with me. Right. But I'm allowed to tweak and figure out what I did wrong so I can hopefully avoid those mistakes in the future. Of course. And so I was saying a lot of what I thought I did wrong, including not...

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  6. No, this was. This was like actually, so I mean, well, I'm sharing some insider information here, but we had like this group on Facebook that was a bunch of ex-Dig employees And, you know, first of all, for the...

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  7. way of thinking. Like people nowadays can see right through that crap. And so like literally just you have to tell the truth. I mean, it's like you just have whether it sucks or doesn't suck. Like, you know, I got in trouble one time, another time when I was on stage, I was talking about our engineering problems that did.

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  8. You know, I don't know that I appreciate the compliment, but I think for me, what people have said is that I don't really, sometimes I get in trouble for this. I always did when I was doing PR at Dig and I was like, I would just say whatever was the truth and not necessarily the best thing to say, but just really the honest thing. So like when we were having user revolts on our site when I was running Dig the very social site. So we had like millions of users revolting against us online. Like, you know, I would get in front of the camera and just be like, yeah, it sucks. Our servers are falling over. We're getting crushed right now. And like, you know, PR would be like, okay, you can kind of say this and like, you should word it like this next time. And it's like, I don't know, man. I think a lot of that too. But that's the thing is like because people don't trust you if you're reading that script. Exactly. And that is an old process.

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  9. Anyway, it was just like, I hate, I wish I needed to invent a new car startup because like there needs to be straight transparent real talk like no negotiation. I don't know. There's a lot of car companies out there. But communication wise I feel that

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  10. I just only walked out of the place today, walked down the street, and the guy's texted me like, come back. Like, we can talk about this. And I'm like, why didn't we talk about this 20 minutes ago when I sat in your office for 45 minutes? Like, he's like, oh, there's wiggle room now. And I'm like, how is there wasn't Wiggle Room 45 minutes ago? And you brought me that crappy coffee. And I'm like sitting there in that office sweating my ass off. It was hot

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  11. I think on the that's hard because it's funny I was just negotiating a car lease today and I don't think I'm that good of a negotiator because this guy is like mop the floor with me. Yeah, but you don't

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  12. I've done that before in working with some engineers, and I feel like it always, I kind of like, I want to start living by that because I think it's the right thing to do.

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  13. How to say no. So I like the idea. I thought that the space was generally really boring I didn't know how big a business it would become. I thought that they had decent traction. They were clearly going to get their next round of funding because of that traction. But it wasn't something where I was going to be over the top excited about to answer their emails and get pumped up about, right? And so I wrote an email and I was like, listen, I don't think I'm the right partner for you. I think the idea is sound, but I am not excited about this space at all. It doesn't get me excited and I just don't think like when you need someone to reach out to and to help you out, like I'm going to be the one that's going to jump back and be the right partner, you know, more or less. And he wrote back and he's like, dude, thanks for the direct feedback or honest feedback. And, you know, look forward to see you next time you're in town because he's out of town. Cool. And it was like, it was the first time where I was like, wow, actually, it's also.

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  14. But you know what? But I think that at least people would be like, you know what? We know where he stands. And so I tried it for the first time last week, actually. The entrepreneur wrote back and he was like, Dude, thanks for being honest. I appreciate it.

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  15. And it's just like I was like, it's funny, I just, the other day I was sitting there and I was writing a no, like saying no to someone email, which for me in the past has typically been like, you know, thought about it, really don't think it's something that we want to invest in. Thanks, but I'd love to talk to you in the future, blah, blah, blah, right? The typical one that you read everywhere else, right? And then, you know, I just started thinking like, gosh, there's got to be, I'm going to try and be very direct with the entrepreneur and just like see what the response is like because I feel like that's just like, I might come off as a dick. And that's the worry, right? The concern is that you just come off like you're just being a dick.

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  16. This is of great interest to me. I would say that the majority of the time venture capitalists, when you go out and you're an entrepreneur and you're looking to raise some money and you meet with someone at a VC firm and they sit down and they say, oh, show me your idea and then you go through it. And then typically you get an email 24 to 48 hours later saying, this is how we want to proceed or not proceed. And oftentimes the email on not proceeding is like, you know, I talked with our partnership and I don't think it's a good fit at this time. Or, you know, I'm so busy with my current investments that I don't think I have time to take on anything new. But thank you for your time. And let's talk in six months.

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  17. It just feels that I see this all the time in even my world in the venture capital world. Like a lot of people will say, I recently changed the way that I say no to people now.

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  18. Pet peas, one of the things that drives me insane is that I feel as though in our industry there are a lot of people that are tech tech that aren't really direct. It drives me nuts when people beat around the bush. And really, you just need to say the truth. Because even though it's painful and it stings now, at least people know where you stand. Yeah. And it saves everyone a ton of time. I feel that that's like...

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  19. Man, that's a good one. Probably, I mean, that's a good question because obviously you don't know how things are going to feel in the future. But I would say as far as like my general, I'm sure

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  20. This three person podcast Just how the electric car died the first time around when they try to get off the ground. Yeah, the GMV

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  21. That's a great one. I really enjoyed that one to kind of like shed some light on the industrial food process and how nasty and horrible it is. That's definitely top of my list. I don't have any that jump out as being super exciting that.

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  22. It has always been about Cutting out that type of stuff, like figuring out where you can prune and cut and create more space so that you can actually have the time to put in the 10, 12 hour days. And it doesn't feel like it, especially when something you're really passionate about. It doesn't feel like you're putting in that much time. But like you can't expect to be as successful entrepreneur just working on nine to five. It just doesn't work that way.

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  23. And that's just ridiculous. You can't say you don't watch television. Time wise, yeah. I mean, they talk about how much the average American household watches TV. And don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a great movie. I enjoy a miniseries like, you know, Bout Star Galactica or something like that. But only once it's been a few seasons then and people are like, oh, you got to see this. But rather than that, I would rather spend time working on businesses or building my own stuff. I think that's one of the key, you were talking earlier about like traits that entrepreneurs successful entrepreneurs have. And all the great entrepreneurs I know, like they work, their projects bleed into their personal life and it's sad, but it's true. And they're focused on that. And so when I was building several, some of the companies I built in the past, like

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  24. I'm like, what the fuck do you think? It's a penis. And of course, I see more scribbled penises than he's like, you even believe. He's like, people are drunk and they just sign a penis.

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  25. Sounds very pornographic. You swipe your card, and that's how you pay for things. Everyone's kind of seen this now. So basically, he was telling me that 30% of his signatures, like you know how you have to sign the iPad with your finger? Like you signed him? 30% are penises.

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  26. Well, I'm explaining to the users out there. So Square is basically like this little tiny dongle that you can plug into your iPad or iPhone, and you can swipe your card in a dongle.

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  27. My buddy that owns this wine bar, we were just like talking about it, he got square. You know that credit card square system.

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  28. Sorry all you In three years, you'll learn. Is this a late night show though, seriously? Because we talk about whatever vulgar stuff

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  29. Kevin Rose loses his soul. As long as it's like Tim Tim Talk Talk, Kevin Rose loses his soul. No, but seriously though, I feel like it's so hard.

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  30. like a two or three month just straight up retreat with like some like awesome Buddhist monks somewhere that would teach me you know walking meditation or whatever it may be like some some way to like like gain my soul back kevin has lost his soul that would be the title

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  31. My brain is being slowly scrambled. Like I feel like it's always on eggs. It's being fragmented. And I feel that like we're going to realize in short order here in the next 10, 20 years that all this distraction and stuff is really messing with our brains. And I feel it like I need to find that balance and I haven't done that yet. So I think if I could study with anyone, it would probably be

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  32. And And I know this is totally doable, but I think that the issue. That I have now is that I feel that all this computer, like the computers and the constant stimulus and all this, I don't know about you, but there's no such thing as it's extremely blurred, the personal time versus work time. And so I'll be at dinner and like. You know, it's not this bad because Darya makes me shut down the laptop at dinner. But, like, you know what I mean? It's like it bleeds into everything that you do. And so because of that, I feel like

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  33. I always knew I wanted to be in computers ever since I was probably 10 or 12 years old when I got the second I got a computer that I was hooked I moved the computer into my bedroom and my parents thought it was weird and I was like I need to have this machine as close as possible so I can hear the fan at night it makes me sleep I'm serious I loved it dude everything about it I'd leave it on all the time I'd get on it I learned every single DOS command you can ask me how to do anything in DOS right now I can tell you how to do it like I loved it

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  34. No, here's the deal though. Like, I feel like I just like, I feel at most home with people that understand that because I go to the gym, I go to this really meety gym, you know? That's perfect. And like, yeah, dude, I'm surrounded by dudes with really crappy 90s tattoos. Oh, I feel at home here. They have like tattoos.

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  35. Can you explain to someone like freaking flames on my leg? I've got really bad tattoos. They're in the process of getting removed. But the funny thing is... I'll give you 20 and we'll do the same thing. You'll give

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  36. And other people don't have any with. Yeah, I think that for me, you know, I grew up in a pretty lower middle income family. And I feel that.

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  37. Not because I still feel more at home with my younger friends than I do. I feel like if you shadow water in the Bay Area. Well, okay.

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  38. We all split off and went to different places. I have one friend that's still there. But other than that, everyone's in different cities. Some are back east, some are in LA. They're just all over the place. But, you know, I try and keep in touch and I'll trade texts and I have like, you know, there's certain times of the year, certain things that come up in your head that pop in your mind. And you're like, oh my gosh, that was so crazy when we did this. And he's like, text one of your buddies. Remember when we, you know, broke the law this way or something like that, you know? So there's like, there's that kind of stuff.

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  39. Yeah, it's hard because, you know, growing up in such a city like Las Vegas, no one really stayed there. So it's not like when I go back to town, I see all my friends from high school or whatever it may be or college.

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  40. You know, I think that Reed Hoffman is another really big idea guy. I think that he's really, like, I'm excited to see if he eventually decides to get back in it. Like, you know, he's chairman at LinkedIn. And if he ever decides to go and tackle something, like what that will become. Do you?

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  41. Yeah. You don't partially succeed. Right. You either succeed or fail. And it's like, and Philip was one of those guys that he's just like, I have a crazy idea. I'm going to go build it. And I don't care. Nothing's going to get in my way. I can just do it.

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  42. When people don't have fear they aren't scared of big ideas. I meet a lot of entrepreneurs every single day and all they want to do is do incremental improvements on pre-existing stuff because they want to sell a company for 20 million. They can sell it for 20 million to Yahoo. They can sell it for 10 million to Google, whatever it may be. There's a safety net there. Who wants to go and create electric car company? Who wants to go and create a freaking next generation spaceship company? These are hard problems. It takes a certain kind of person.

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  43. Little virtual tasks and assist people like in other places and you're like, dude, you like they will someday when you finally have that moment, that idea that is the right idea at the right time, when it hits, like they will write books about this guy and movies about this guy.

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  44. The thing I like about Philip is that he is such a rare Person to discover. I feel like I'm lucky that I even know him because he's a big thinker. He's a crazy mad scientist. When you watch his interview, you realize that his ideas and his passion and just where his head takes things is so unique and so big picture, like bigger than you could ever dream up on your own. Like when you think of ideas, we're like, oh, wouldn't it be better if there was a better way to keep our, you know, like, and it's something like super stupid that you want? Like, you know, like I feel like our ideas are like, you know, just improvements of things are incremental, like pre-existing little problems that we have that like my toilet paper runs out. I'd like to get notification. It's like dumb stuff, right? You talk to him and like you realize that he is thinking about things like virtual economies and like currencies and using your iPhone as a miniature computer while you're sleeping that doesn't

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  45. We'll get picked up by this, Mike. So Philip created a virtual world back in the day that was really popular, way before its time called Second Life. And it became extremely popular. Later, like all internet things eventually declined in usage because it just wasn't as cool as it was when it came out. And he then went on to start a company that, you know, he tinkered around with a handful of different things. They didn't quite work out. And now he's on to his next thing called High Fidelity. But the reason that I say Philip is that Success in my mind doesn't necessarily mean like huge IPOs and exits and things like that. The thing that I like about him, and I did, I shot a couple of video interviews with him on my series on Foundation that you can search Philip Rosedale Foundation on Google and find. Foundation I care.

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  46. So it's interesting in that it's weird that actually when I think about that I would pick Philip and the reason being is that Philip so thank you for the wine. I wonder if that's picking them by the speaker. It sounds like

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  47. That's bullshit. I just want this to work. You know what's funny is when you're a kid, you just don't know anyone. You think everyone's just healthy. And then all of a sudden you become an adult. And gosh, man, I've had some really bad experiences. And then I've seen friends of mine that aren't that older that good friend of mine's wife has cancer now. He's only a few years older than me. And I'm like, that's scary as hell. Yeah. So yeah, you start to value time a lot more.

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  48. You know, it's harder as you get older. And less important, I would say, is some of the hardcore tinkering. I used to like to build computers from scratch. I just want my computer to work now. I put freaking OS X on my laptop, which is like the beta version of OS X. And it's crash and shit. And I'm just like, are you kidding me? Like, what am I doing? I'm like, I don't know why I had to have it, but I did. And like, now I can't even write an email. My browser locks up. So I think I just, you know, it's like they get off my lawn. I want to grandpa. I just want shit to work. But, you know, it's weird how that happens.

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  49. Um oh gosh So more important to me as I've gotten older is probably Just honestly timed stay in shape. Just more gym time, more time to actually keep the beer gut down.

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  50. 130 to 135 is meeting fire. How do I know that and you don't? You have a cooking book. You're going to cut this out of the podcast. I know.

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