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Lawrence Levy

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“As I was saying Not the destination. But I ask everybody that, and I knew I was going nowhere as soon as the word stumbled out of my mouth. This conversation with us. Thank you, Barry.”
2016-11-12 · Masters in Business · Interview With Lawrence Levy: Masters in Business (Audio) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, I don't know. You know, that's a really good question. I kind of go into everything with the fresh mind. You know, I just wouldn't even know how to answer that. I wouldn't change it. Like if I'd known more, then the experience wouldn't have been the same.”
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“So I say to young people as well, climb a mountain. It doesn't have to be the ultimate mountain or the only mountain. There are lots of mountains to climb. But at least climb a mountain and then go through the rigor of that. And then you'll figure out what the next mountain is.”
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“And if you're constantly circling around looking for the best path, you'll never climb the mountain. And so you reference that in the book you talk about. We would just”
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“Some area, even if it's not what you ultimately want to do. I mean, I've given this advice to my own children. And so because I think it's in going deeply in something. And this also gets us back a little bit to the meditation as well, which is that the going deeply into something that crafts us. You know, it's easier to stay on the surface, but it's when things get rough. It's when you're having difficult time getting a project done or a hard time with a boss or this material doesn't make any sense or meditation is really hard or I don't understand this point of philosophy, whatever it is, that's what shapes us, you know. And so, you know, I take an analogy like to a mountain. If you want to climb a mountain, you have to pick a path.”
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“The advice I would give them is that regardless of what you're interested in, get some deep experience in something, in anything. You know, what I see a little bit is sort of jumping around. And what I think is more important is to just go deeply into something for a while. So don't just skim the...”
2016-11-12 · Masters in Business · Interview With Lawrence Levy: Masters in Business (Audio) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've been sort of a bit of a fitness buff, and so during, you know, when I was working really hard, I ran, you know, and I was always just, if I could go out and just run even two or three miles, like, you know, five or six days a week, I did that all the time. And then a few years ago, I started reading as you get a little bit older, resistance training is good. So I took up sort of weight training in the gym and I do that regularly now. So I find that exercise is huge benefits to it. And then, of course, I do a lot of meditation and practice. So that's an important part of my life. And then, you know, my family still loves to sit around and watch Gilmore girls and the voice. And so, you know, that's what we do for entertainment.”
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“A super fun. Ready Player One. Ready Player One. I think Stephen Spielberg is making that into a movie. Oh, really? That's very interesting. So there's a few for you.”
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“Absolutely incredible. It's being absolute, incredible story about the US rowing team and a huge bestseller and going to Germany in 1936. Dan Brown. Dan Brown is the author of Boys in the Boat. And oh, I don't know if you've read Ready Player One, which is current. That's just super fun.”
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“Narrative storytelling and mythology. Mythology. Absolutely brilliant. And I watched all of Joseph Campbell's videos that he did on PBS many years ago. And now, you know, I'm into sort of, you know, 500 year old, you know, sort of Buddhist philosophy. There's a book, The Great Stages of the Parth by a great teacher called Jade Song Kupper Ts O-N-G. That's a very challenging undertaking, but so it sort of took me years to work my way through that. And so there's a few that come to mind. Oh, a recent one, gosh. One of the inspirations for this book was The Boys in the Boat. Boys in the boat. Not boys.”
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“Well, I certainly like a lot of Heinen books. I am a bit of a science fiction buff. Brandon Sanderson's series that he's doing now, The Way of Kings, is absolutely brilliant. As far as literature is concerned, Thomas Mern's The Magic Mountain, the big influence on me. That's a big undertaking. He also wrote Death in Venice, and I thought these are very powerful literary books. Joseph Campbell's Here are over a thousand faces, big influence on... Especially for anyone in...”
2016-11-12 · Masters in Business · Interview With Lawrence Levy: Masters in Business (Audio) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was the first really big success, and it was him who did it. And so we built that first company, Electronics Ferremaging, together. And he was brilliant. And I learned a lot from him. And I also, you know, but I had the advantages because when I was a lawyer, I was sort of a business lawyer because I was doing these transactions for all these companies, these startups that were trying to break in and doing deals with all these big companies. So I met a whole bunch of CEOs, you know, Ken Oshman, who was the founder, old time founder of Rome, and then was doing another company called Echelon. And so I had a lot of interaction with different people in Silicon Valley. And so I started absorbing a lot from them. And then I met Effie. And then, of course, Steve.”
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“I mean, he was, it's funny, you know, he was known as the Steve Jobs of Israel because he created the company called SciTex, which has put them on the map from a technology point of view. Put the whole country.”
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“Well, you know, at Pixar, the people that I've talking about, I mean, in business, I cut my teeth a lot with Effie or Razzie. Effie, who's passed on now, but he was a brilliant entrepreneur from Israel. So Israeli...”
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“Well, I always have had mentors. I believe very strongly in that. This is the whole collaboration part. I've always had sort of what I consider to be an inner circle of people that I really trust, that have got my back, that I listen to. So early on, well, Larry Uncincini for sure. You described that relationship in the book. Yeah, for sure. Effie Orazzi, who was giving me my first job in electronics for imaging, you know, I would go on. I would have to include my wife, Hilary, in that circle, Sega Rinpoche, who's been my mentor and teacher on this new part that I'm doing now. And even in writing the book, I've had incredible mentors that sort of help me.”
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“Yes, I mean, it's funny in an acquisition, but I would say that when a lot of money is at stake, right, and that's what everyone's talking about. But that was the single most important point in that deal was the preservation of Pixar's culture. And I think that if we hadn't believed Bob Eiger's sincerity in that, then that acquisition would not have happened. And so, you know, Bob promised that Pixar's culture would be intact, and in fact, he wanted to sort of infect Disney animation with Pixar's culture, and he completely came through on that. And so I think if you visit Pixar today, all the things that I've been talking about, they're working very hard to try to keep that in place.”
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“It is really hot to do, and I think Pixar is a collection of rock stars. I think a lot of companies are collections of have a lot of rock stars. But what Pixar did was to honor that. And that sometimes is, because it doesn't matter, you know, someone could be a production assistant or working on the budget of the film. It doesn't have to be, you know, I'm directing the film or something like that. And by honoring all of that, it matters to the culture. And sometimes that's easy to forget within companies what that means to really respect and honor people.”
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“And then when he does put things together and he says, you know, his views about things, you always kind of like, he's not the loud booming voice in the room, if you have heard him speak. Yes, a great speaking voice. It's kind of an understated speaking voice. But he's a voice that you want to listen to what he has to say because he's sort of put it together in ways that matter a lot. So he's wonderful.”
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“Depiction of it. He's a listener. You know, he's very, very attentive. He's a learner. You know what I mean? I've never known him to be otherwise. And so he learns, he absorbs, he listens, he talks. He's always respectful. And then he kind of”
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“Well, you know, Ed is my great friend and, you know, beloved by everyone at Pixar as it's sort of a co-founder. But Ed is, and I think it's because Ed is sort of professorial, you know, almost by nature. That comes across.”
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“Lee, it's funny, you know, when I was started a Pixar, Lee was an editor. He was an editor, but John recognized this sort of creative talent in Lee and kept trying to bring that out. So Lee is a little sort of, he's sort of more understated, quieter by nature, but an incredible sort of force of filmmaking. He's a guy that sort of like knows everything about filmmaking.”
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“Yeah, Brad is a very, very disciplined filmmaker. And when a crew, it's like a cruise fall in love with Brad. He has kind of a mesmerizing quality over there. It's a very large crew and they're pushed to do a lot of things. And he's a great sort of leader. And so when he comes on to do Incredibles and he's done live action films as well, you know, in Mission Impossible. So people sort of like take to him he as a natural leadership that complements his creativity.”
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“Joy in everything he seems to touch. Yeah. I mean, I think it's full of toys. And when I went there, his office was all toys and gadgets. And I don't think he ever lost that kind of that creative inquiry. Well, Brad came on later, you know, to direct the Incredibles, you know, and which was so different than the previous films.”
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“Well, John, and he's probably the most well known. I mean, John is the Mozart of his generation when it comes to animation. I mean, storytelling through the medium of animation just courses through John. He was born with it or something like that. And it was kind of a larger than life, charismatic character. He's very warm. He greets you with a hug. He's interested in you. And he's just endlessly creative. You know, there's a little boy in him, right? There's like a little child in him, a twinkle in his eye.”
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“And the business necessity. Yeah, and it is. And between the collaboration it takes to have all the pieces come together. And I think Pixar marsed that tension. And it's really interesting because even when Pixar slips and it forgets about that tension for whatever reason, it'll slip and quickly regroup, you know, to sort of, you know, come back to that. And so it's hard to, there are a lot of, there's a lot that goes into that. We could do a whole episode here just on that one. Really, one issue.”
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“Have to yield to those voices that can sort of help shape what you do. And like if you look back at even Steve's career, I think you see an absence of that yielding in some of those products that didn't make it. And so because there's a lot of hubris in the creative side. And so those tensions pull against each other. The very hubris that makes you talented and creative and passionate and all that cuts against the very yielding that you need to.”
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“Picking it apart, you know what went wrong, where would go better, how can we improve our production processes, and so they never let up. And then that's sort of on the technical production side, you know, on the creative side, the value of what they call the brain trust is, and many companies try to duplicate that, but how to make that work is much, much harder than I think is known, even if you've read about it or know about it, because there's a tension in doing great work. And on the one hand, you need this passionate intensity to create and have to have the talent to go along with it. That's true for a writer, a musician, you know, anything that is great creative, innovative work. But on the other side, you also have to collaborate.”
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“And this is a film is like a hit. So the incredibles comes out, like, it couldn't be better. Well, you know, there's a group of people at Pixar that spend weeks.”
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“Well, Pixar is, you know, despite you sort of see all the animation and the story glitz and all of this, but it's a very, very disciplined company when it comes to creativity. And so it has honed over years and years and years systems to develop these films. and has been written about and the story team and the production team you know an example of this is you know when pixar finishes a film it it goes through a painful you know process of looking at everything that it did wrong”
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“Looks like a result of a lot more So, when corporations today, you know, they're trying to sort of force innovation in a way or force creativity, then it doesn't sometimes allow for that process.”
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“I think it's as true today as any other time. I think great work requires a much longer period of gestation than we think. You know, one of my favorite science fiction authors, Robert Heinlein, he wrote, he said, when we're ready at a railroad, we railroad, meaning that until we're ready, no railroad. And so, you know, what it means is it takes a long period. A lot of things have to come together. I remember Steve even told me once, you know, when he was thinking about tablets that he was passionate about tablets for a long time, Apple had long before the iPad. Long before the iPad, long before, but he felt it wasn't ready. It wasn't ready, right? It wasn't ready, this sort of tools weren't there. He had kind of his pulse on that. It was the same with Pixar, you know, it took, you know, 15, 20 years for the gestation of everything to come together. And I think it's not that there are never overnight sensations, but I think they're much more rare than we think”
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“You may get a great story in a weekend. You may get a great story in five years, but you can't force it. And so what the business imperative wants is that, no, I want to know, right? I want to know. I want this, I want everything to be sort of orderly and on time, because that's the only way I can build this thing. And so those things pull against each other. And so the challenge for organizations trying to do any kind of creative work, it doesn't have to be film. It could be engineering, design, anything, is how to bring harmony between those two things. And it takes a fair amount of courage because business executives kind of want to smother creativity sometimes with bureaucracy. And so it's not easy to allow it to flourish.”
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“Well, these things sort of pull against each other. So, you know, the creative impulse is sort of, but it needs to be unbound in a way by sort of time or imperatives. And a way of thinking of it is like you can't force the gestation of a story. So you can't go to someone's, I want a great story in a year.”
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“Right, but real people, generally speaking, don't have the chance to get away with that, right? If you start acting art with all the people around you, someone's going to see you say, hey, Barry, what's going on? And so it's a way of thinking. And when the way of thinking is acquisition at all costs, short-term profit, that's all we care about. You can bring mindfulness and meditation in, but it's like putting a band-aid on the problem, you know, because at the very same time, you know, you're teaching mindfulness and meditation, you're also putting enormous pressure on your people to perform. So nothing wrong with that, but the problem is to look at it from that broader perspective and take responsibility for this. And I think that these kinds of ideas can infiltrate the corporate paradigm in other ways too.”
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“Everyone visits the environment and these kinds of things. Because it's interesting, like, you know, corporations want to be people when it comes to, well, when it works in their advantage, like, you know, First Amendment rights, you know, when it comes to third-party externalities,”
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“Like I think it's a step. I don't think it's the ultimate step. I don't even know if it's the best step. It's not just about sort of bringing mindfulness and meditation teachers because that's like putting a band-aid on a problem. And so it's the question of how that entity is going to think and work and whether it It wants to take account for the well being of all the people that it affects both its not just employees.”
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“Previously There wasn't much of an in-between. I just realized that Pixar was in this incredibly good place, the plan that we'd put in place was going to go at least 10 years. I was on the board of directors, and so I would still be able to keep my eye on things. And I realized I had an opportunity. I had an opening in my life. And I was just like, what do I do? I'm really interested about these other things. Like, do I wait another 20 years? Will I be around it another 20 years? You know, now is the time kind of a thing. And so that's the decision I made. I said, you know, no, don't put it off. This is something that is deep. And also in the back of my mind, I thought that one day maybe it would come back around and I would be able to take these new learnings back into that corporate world because I think that I think we haven't reached the ultimate or the end of sort of the corporate paradigm. I think that it has problems.”
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“Retreat, or something like that, but it takes an engagement with this kind of methodology. And so Juniper presents that because we present a whole way of looking at balancing emotions, cultivating compassion, developing in insight, all using meditation as the tool to do those things.”
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“Well, I think it's great. Meditation and mindfulness represent sort of an opening, if you will, an awakening, a realization that these things that impact us inwardly are important. And so I'm sort of happy to see all this. I would say that those represent like one piece of the puzzle, you know, kind of a thing. And I think if people take that space of meditation or that space of mindfulness it's like opening a door to a world in which there are all these tools and ideas to cultivate ourselves inwardly. The key to it is that it takes some effort. We have to pay attention to do it. And we tend to want a quick fix. We tend to want to, you know, like I'm stressed, what's going to take me out of that quickly? Here's a pill. Here's a pill or even I'll go to a medic.”
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“They lose sight of what matters. And so I had been very disciplined about that in my career. So family, my children, my wife and all of that was always tried my best to prioritize it. But I really wanted to go on a deep dive in that. And so I was passionately always interested in religion and philosophy. So I went off to discover how one might cultivate that side of life. And I found it eventually in basically 2000 tradition of Buddhist philosophy and meditation, which I see not as a religious undertaking. But if you look what I was looking at these things, I was thinking. What would it take to embed right in the middle of contemporary life a system, a methodology that could be used for this inner transformation and that system comes from this sort of 2000-year-old tradition?”
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“Well, I had another sort of pulse running in me. I had a great career and I loved what I did, both as a lawyer and as a business executive and a Pixar. But I also sort of took note that there's a one-dimensional quality to corporate life in a way. It's driven. It's an acquisition-oriented mentality. It's all about performance. And I thought to myself, it produces incredible things, great technologies, a lot of prosperity, a lot of wealth. But there are hidden costs to it. That performance mentality produces costs in terms of stress and anxiety and personal fulfillment and how we feel about ourselves. I wanted to go off and learn more about that because I felt that we were sort of missing this dimension.”
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“It's very infectious. And I think the key is working with others that can collaborate at a level to sort of make those dreams a reality. But there's a certain contagiousness to sort of the passion and intensity that he brought to what he did.”
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“Yeah, but it's not because we can. It's out of his conviction for sort of the greatness of what we're doing. I mean, and so whether it Pixo or Apple later, I mean, it's a reflection of his belief that this work is so stunning, is so great that these other people will sort of want to come on board. And so, you know, it wasn't like to take advantage. It was just came from that place of, you know, I really believe in this. And so everyone else will.”
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“Well, you know, I think that was a blow. And so, but he doesn't, you know, he sort of goes quiet in a way. It's not like there's a big brouhar over it. It just was a blow. And, you know, and so we had to regroup. And so that's what happened.”
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“Well, you know, again, I can't speak to what they experienced, but I can speak to my experience at Pixar. And, you know, I can say it was, you know, this is something I look back and I treasure it.”
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“Seems to be the implication. It is. And of course, I'm aware of all the information and content and reputation of Steve out there. And, you know, my take on that is that it's not for me to judge. I mean, people have their own experiences and I'm writing my experience.”
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“I only recently, you know, when the World Eisenson book came out so close to Steve's death, you know, and I was kind of like, you know, I'm just, I have my own memories and my own experience, and I'm just not really ready, you know, to, you know, to read something like that. So, no, I didn't.”
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“Well, you probably don't know about him that I had a nasty accident when I first started working your ankle. I broke my ankle, a very bad break that required surgery and there was a lot of pain involved. Titanium rods. Titanium rods and all that. And so there would be no way to know this. But Steve was really, really concerned about this. And he was very concerned.”
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“For how many years? Well, it lasted throughout all the way through Pixar. So I'm going to say all the way through the Disney acquisition. And then it converted, we became friends too. And then, you know, after he was ill, I spent time with him there. And so it was a relationship that lasted, but it started with this kind of dialogue.”
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“Oh, I would say at that time it was just a continuous dialogue started first thing in the morning, ended last thing at night. We have a phone by the fax machine in the kitchen and it's every night. You know, he calls me. I call him on the weekends, come over, you know, go for walks. But it was just an ongoing dialogue. And it was a back and forth. It was really a collaboration.”
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