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Lazar Jovanovic

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“By accident. It's not a coincidence. The best people are gathering and we want you to be a part of it too. So if the energy and the conversation resonates with you, or if you heard about a problem today and you're like, man, I think I can solve it. Come join us. Help us build and shape the future of software development.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, if you can help me in any way, message me what could have been better in that experience, especially if this is your, you just watch this and you're like, I'm going to do it. I was on the fence and I'm going to do it. If something breaks, if something doesn't connect and relate, I need to know what that is. My job is 100% to empower you to build the best work of your life, right? And, you know, and I need to say this too, because a lot of people may be inspired not by building or using lovable, but rather building lovable come join our team. Again, we're hiring across so many things. I think a lot of people should feel inspired because I hope that the energy that I bring to the table will resonate. This is how it feels working at lovable. This is how it feels working with the best minds, the brightest minds of the world. We're not number one.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Awesome. Yeah, so I mentioned it already. LinkedIn is probably the best place to find me on. I'm very responsive there. If you want to follow me, I hope to re-engage my YouTube channel a little bit more. I think I have a lot of cool tips and tricks that I want to share and teach people how to use lovable and just vibe code in general and level up and on how people can be useful to me. Well, you know I'm very passionate about making sure that everybody experiences what I've experienced that day when I got my first prompt in. I envy the person that is going to try lovable for the first time after watching this episode because the feeling is just unmatched of you going from a consumer to a builder. But in that process, there's going to be some battles to fight. I want to reduce the amount of those battles and hurdles.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Decisions on tech stack. Forget about which backend they're using, which front end are you using. That doesn't matter. Quality taste design. That's all you need to optimize for in the future. That's ahead of us.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Read the agent output, learn how it's thinking so that you know what's possible. But then also go and get inspired. Follow good designers on X. Find tools where great designs are produced and follow their creators. There's a tool where I'm following just the actual person that built it because he publishes videos almost daily, 40, 50 minutes long of him designing. I want to see how world-class designer does it. I want to see him talk to the tool. I want to see him prompt. And that's how I learn to become better at it. So again, exposure time, just deliberately set more time aside to learning than coding because you can code fast, but you can code garbage fast as well as magic fast. It's the same amount of time. It's you and your input that matters. Forget about this.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, tech stack doesn't matter anymore, right? It doesn't matter. Like people obsess over, oh, is this written in HTML? Is this written in React? It doesn't matter. Like, it never matter, but now matters even less. The end user just wants a stellar experience. We live in a world where anybody can produce good enough. So you better start learning how to produce magic because otherwise you're just going to end up in a crowd with millions and millions of others. But at the same time, if you don't know what magical looks like, don't be discouraged to start building anything and start from good enough and level up. The best way to level up, exposure time.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Ideally, people stop right now. They furnish enough. I gave them what I gave them the best that I could. Just stop listening and just go.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“All means be terrified and then take a step towards doing something about it. And trust me, the leap is no longer as big as it used to be. It's as big as you come in and you just say, what's on your mind and just ship.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like life wasn't as simple as that for me. It was very, very complicated. And honestly, the last five to ten years, I gave up on that dream almost. I thought I'm never going to build anything. Like I've tried to build with technical co-founders. I just couldn't find alignment. I just gave up on it. And I now like at 36, like 30 years later, I feel like I can like that kid. I dream every day. Like it's amazing what this enables us to do. And anybody that's scared, like just try it, it switches from fear to excitement immediately because then you see what's possible firsthand. Just go in, build something, build anything. And the fear goes away. You should only be afraid if you're doing nothing. If you're doing absolutely nothing, yes, be terrified by your.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and I don't want to interrupt you, but like it's because look, lovable specifically isn't a company. You can talk about it as a company. I don't see it as a company. It's an idea. It's a mission. It's something more powerful than the internet in my mind. Because internet allows us to consume, lovable allows us to build. And in our nature, in human nature is to build, to create. Right. And the fact that there's a tool today that you can go into and dump an idea in and something comes out of it and somebody uses it and finds it useful to me. It's just, it's the craziest concept ever. It's my only life's dream. I had my first computer when I was six and I was convinced my whole life that I'm going to be a software engineer or that I'm going to be building.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Change the vehicle, but I was already doing it professionally before I got hired. So that's kind of the key. Like do the job you would have done anyways.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Speed matters, right? It still matters a lot to be fast. And like there's a company out there with free vibe quarters full time. All they do is like translating the old code base into lovable. They're just bringing everything. There's CRM, CMS, everything. They're all the tool sets that they have and they need it. There are people now actively just migrating everything over. There's S&P 500 companies that are like putting lovable in job descriptions too. Like saying, hey, lovable skills are recommended in the recommended tab, right? So yeah, to go back to how to become vibe quarter professionally, well, you don't need a company to hire you. You can hire yourself as a professional life holder first. I think the reason why I clicked with Anton and with Elaine and with everyone else, because I was already doing it. Like all I did, I just...”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Company out there. I'm not going to name them, but that uses lovable religiously is going to be one of our main case studies, actually, where they actually hired vibe quotas before lovable. The first official vibe coding engineer at Lovable, like with that title, but I've met people in companies where they hired them before us, people that are just vibeers, people that just understand that.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A couple of hires stood up by not sending resumes but sending lovable apps. They built lovable apps to show what they're, why they're good fit for a role. And we as lovable employees will always open an app that uses lovable.app domain. Always, if you send me a DM, send me a lovable app. Don't send me anything long. Send me an app that tells me what you want from me or how do you see us collaborating and working together. So there's people finding creative ways to get in front of eyeballs of decision makers like Elena, right? And I mean, skill-wise, again, we're just repeating ourselves here, but I think it's important to repeat it as many times as possible. Really develop good judgment, right? Really understand in a deeper sense how things translate when Wipe Coding comes into play, right?”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Going back to the vibe quarter role, if somebody's like saying, okay, well, I have a pretty diverse background too, and I'm vibe coding and like, how does this become a job? Well, for me, I feel like it became a job by building in public. I did chat with Elena once, only once on like, why me? There are so many good vibe quoters out there. How did you pick me?”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I waited tables a long time, so you developed some human skills. You understand what people like, what they don't like. Again, blue-collar jobs teach you hard work. And like, it's, as I said, the path was not linear, but I feel almost like a slumdog millionaire, the movie storyline, which is like everything that happens to the character brings him into a position to be able to answer the questions in the quiz better. I feel the same way of like I've done a lot of stuff last seven to eight years obviously spent in startups, but doing everything but code writing, like started in community management, social media. Again, distribution matters a lot. That's something we haven't touched upon at all. Like in a world when everybody's building and there's roughly the same amount of consumers in the world, how do you get in front of the eyeballs, right? And get attention, which is going to, is this more scarce resource and it will be even more scarce, but like.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, my personal path and personal junior was anything but linear. I've done so many things in life, like blue-collar jobs even at Subway while I was studying and stuff like that. I'm an engineer by trade, but not a software engineer. I'm a forestry engineer. So no coding, but still engineering is engineering, I feel. You still develop a certain set of skills doing that.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'll be wrong on 95% of the things I said today three months from now. That is the only thing I can say very, very confidently. Yeah.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, like somebody who's an amazing writer is going to all of a sudden write seven books a year instead of one, right? So that's dangerous. If you're an average writer, be careful. Are zero comedians being placed zero? And that's just my personal belief AI is never gonna write good comedy. It's impossible and like so trying to find your analogy in your industry. Like I just gave you one for writing skills, so to speak. So writing jokes, super good skill to have, translating, I'm sorry to say, but like you're not going to have a job for much longer. you better find something else to do but yeah that's that's how i look at it”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And whatnot, but stuff that's like human to human is here to stay, stuff that's like, I think like, oh, you're just doing you're a middle manager, you're a middleware person that's just translating stuff. And I can use that analogy again. Translators are going to die, people writing jokes, comedians are not. AI is never going to be able to write a good joke. Never, never, never. It just doesn't have that layer that just doesn't understand what's funny. Like if you ever try to use AI to write jokes, like they're awful. They're always going to be awful. But if you use AI to translate things from one language to another, it's very good at it. Like AI is going to replace translators. It's going to replace most journalists because it does good research. It can write good copy, whatever. Not elite journalism. It's not going to be able to replace all the writers. It's going to amplify great writers that can train AI on how to write.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Even know how to describe it because I don't think we're doing an awesome job putting labels onto what humans are good at natively, but I think we will. I think we will describe job descriptions better. We will have like human first engineers, I don't know, or human designers. I don't know how to describe those roles, same way how Carpathy coined vibe coding. I was vibe coded before he did it. I didn't know how to call it. Like I started vibe coding in July of 2024. And I think he coined it sometime in early 2025. So I was like doing it for seven months. And I was teaching people how to do it for about three or four with courses. And I didn't even know how to call it. Because there was no name. It was like, oh, I'm just using AI to do this for me. I don't know. Whatever. So yeah, I think we're going to reinvent some of the terms, roles.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You understand how x to y goes in human dynamic human relationship layer, I think that's where things are going to become good. So if we translate it again to a specific skill, I'll say it again. Good design, really good design, great design. Like how NSA design, that's images, fonts as well. Copy, copy is a big one. Like we all now, we're like two years into AI. I'll bet you me and you if people put 10 pieces of copy in front of us, we could tell what's AI and what isn't in like three seconds. And we're only a couple years in. So like really good copy writing is going to be a very good skill to have because people are just going to know after three words or three sentences that it's AI written and even I don't read AI output anymore. I don't like to seeing it. I want that raw human experience. So I think human skills.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, emotional intelligence for sure. Just understanding human nature. Real life stuff. I think we're all going to get so tired of everything fake, fake images, fake posts, fake profiles, fake this, fake that, fake videos. Everything is becoming fake and AI generate. I think humans just craving humans naturally are going to want to do live stuff more. So anything human to human is going to be a big thing to skill up on, understand the dynamics. Anything regarding math, if it's a math problem, I think Peter Theo said it recently. Like people that just do math stuff, you know, AI is going to come for you. Like anything that's very deterministic, meaning X input equals Y output, and it's pretty clear the line is pretty clear AI has got eaten for lunch, right?”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The longer idea simmers and gets broken down, the better because building it is going to be an instant, right? It's going to be like this. It's just a matter of you having so much clarity around it because guess what? If a tool is super powerful and you give it a wrong input, the output's gonna suck as well. That's why like I never become good enough at cloud code, I feel because I don't start my projects with enough clarity and the tool is so powerful that I just miss directed completely from the get-go and I was like, oh, shoot, this is not what I wanted to do. So that's why I still see myself being good at like using tools that are a little bit on the exploratory prototyping path more than like on the path that elite engineers would use, for example.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like humans did not get the 20 years that horses did, the guy that was hired to do a thing is like six months later, I need to reinvent my role. I need to involve it into something else, right? So, you know, I think there's just an evolution that's coming really, really fast. But like a lot of people are scared when I'm just super excited because don't you see our roles are finally going in a direction where we're outsourcing what we hated doing anyways, right? Sitting in meetings, taking notes, doing spreadsheets, like nobody, maybe there are people that like that, but like most people don't. We're just getting into a place where we're rewarded for what really matters, like clarity, judgment, thinking. We're actually going to be paid to think longer and ponder longer because”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's the horse's analogy. I don't know if you heard of it. Like a lot of people are tweeting about it, which is like, we started building the steam machine in 1700s, right? Took us about 200 years to build it when it got to, when engines got built and cars were put on the roads, I think that 90% of horse population got eradicated in the US within 20 years. The person that tweeted this works at Claude, code, right? So he was like, Now when I translate it into AI, I was hired to do a job, technical job, technical writer, whatever. Became obsolete six months later.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A year ago, if we had an interview, your mind would be blown. Stuff that I had to do as workarounds to address shortcomings. Like I built a very successful course on that with starter story. Like for a year, people were like, just, oh my God, you're the only guy in the world that knows this secret. Now lovable natively addresses 99% of it. I can almost say most of the stuff that I was teaching people are like, I have a YouTube channel a little bit appreciated, but like there's a like a seven-day learn how to vibe code with lovable series that I did in March. Completely obsolete. Like none of it is true. None of it is a problem anymore. All the things that I was like, oh, well, this is missing and that is missing. It's not missing anymore. It's natively in the product. Like you don't have to work your way around it. It just works, right? So that's why as I say, like.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Learning what's possible through communicating with the agent layer and lovable and all the other tools are authentic now, which means like they don't just write code, they can browse the web, they can read files. They have reasoning and thinking capabilities. So that's why I'm so invested into that conversation because a lot of times it will tell me, hey, what you're trying to do is just undoable at the moment because of XYZ. I always use those as a learning opportunity and I just level up most by being in chat mode for planning and learning purposes. And because it just, again, develops your clarity, your judgment capabilities rather than coding capabilities.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Started, or better, released image generation natively in the app, right? So you could go to ChatGPT and be like generate an image of XYZ. The whole world exploded. Like that was like the biggest thing ever. Obviously first thing that comes to my mind is like, I want to build a lovable app. I just want to build a wrapper and I want to build an image gen with lovable without thinking that open AI did not release an API for that just yet. I spent at least a week trying to brute my force brute force my way into making this work instead of just waiting for another week because a week later they had an API and I built this app in 30 seconds. The problem was that like I tried to do it when it was impossible impossible like so I think again you know it's just a matter of really”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, again, in a way, I really optimize for good judgment, and part of good judgment comes from, again, learning how these tools work. You need to know what's possible. We talked about it, and I know I may sound contradictory sometimes, right? But it's because, as you said, it's so interesting the world we live in that things contradict to each other. It's an advantage not to know what's possible, but then at the same time, you cannot be completely oblivious to something that's like a factual thing. So let me talk about a failure of mine that came from being delusional. Back in the day when OpenAI”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then even more even deeper than that is like once you go through this conversation, you're like, okay, let me eliminate myself again completely out of the equation because I won't remember to prompt you better two days from now. Put this into rules. Put this, what we just learned into rules.md because I'm making you read the rules every time anyways. So you might as well just record it there. I'm not going to prompt you better. You're just going to learn that I'm stupid and you're going to prompt yourself better, right? Again, just eliminate yourself and move the context. You solve 99% of the problems with AI today.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What to ask switch to chat mode brain dump and be like, help me draft a better prompt. Help me prompt you better and let the tool effectively prompt itself. A lot of times you're going to solve your problems by not introducing them at all with bad inputs.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“99% of the time, I get such a great answer that I don't have the problem of not knowing what to do next time, right? Like, again, we all need to be aware and realistic. These tools are so good at doing things the right way if they are used the right way. It's always our fault. It's, I say 90%, but honestly, it's 100% our fault, right? Because they're good enough. It's just that I'm not dynamically shifting token allocation. I didn't reference the right file. I didn't say the right way. For me, as a non-designer, I don't know any of the terminology. Like none of the headings and whatnots. And I still don't know it to this day. So when I struggle with proms, a lot of times I use chat mode to help me craft a good prompt. Anybody can do this too. If you are just stuck, it's 10 p.m. and you don't know.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm just going to take three steps back and I'm going to think about my prompt a little bit more take a couple breaths go for a walk have some coffee come back with a clear mind and try again because guess what AI is just writing code very fast and sometimes it stumbles on a very small rock and it only happened then and never again so you just got to make the same request again usually that just fixes the problem it's just a snag It's a syntax error. It's something minute. And then I do the final thing, which is this. And this is the key one, actually. When the problem gets fixed, I go into the chat mode and I ask Lolo, I say, okay, I needed to do four different things to fix this. How can you help me learn how to prompt you better so that next time I have a problem, we do it in one go?”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Allows you to like compress your entire code base into a single file. You download it and then I upload it to just regular cloud or chat GPT. And I'm like, this is what I'm building. Read it. And this is the problem that I have. These are the console logs. Again, it's almost like having an external consultant at that point. Like you're hiring help elsewhere because your team just can't handle it. And then the fourth one is usually the best one because of the time when there are problems. It's my fault. Like no matter how your ego is big guy is that you're watching this. It's your fault. Trust me. You have a bad prompt. You premised your request in the wrong way. You just don't want to admit it or you can't remember that you did. But it's your fault. So again, in lovable and all these other tools, you can revert back. There's version control built into lovable cursor cloud code. You go and say, okay, I tried these three things.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then I'm using an external tool. So I'm like, in the first try, if you remember, I use the tool and I was like, total vibes, I'm relying on the tool, right? In the second try, I use myself as the awareness facilitator. In the third one, I'm using an external tool as a facilitator, which is like I'll either connect to codecs and chat with codecs to then fix the problem in lovable. I don't allow codecs to make code changes for me. A lot of people will say, why don't you? Like it's a good model. I just don't know its agent well enough. Like I don't want to go and use a tool that I don't know how to steer. So I use it only for diagnostic purposes. And I'll also do it manually. It's an old workflow that I had before Codex and before cloud code, which is, there's a tool called repo mix.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think you're seeing the problem. So instead of me yelling at you, let's find it together, right? Think it's a problem with Rights to console logs, you rerun it. Guess what? Now you have a full history of everything that was happening. You copy that. You paste it inside your chat 99% of the time. That's enough. That's already enough. Okay, got it. Found it. Fixed it. But then there are situations when even that's not sufficient. So you're like, okay, I need to go even deeper. And that's where code reviews and evaluations come into play. My go-to tool today for that is codecs, OpenAI, right? What I do is like any build that I do, I will export it to GitHub. Like Lovable allows you to own your code cursor as well. All of these tools allow you to have a copy of the code that you can export to GitHub. And then import it into wherever you want to. So I used Codecs since beta, like import in there.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Lovable thinks everything's working, but in reality it isn't. And the culprit there is usually you're using a third party integration. You did not give enough context to lawable what to observe and what to see. So it can't see that the problem exists because lovable, cursor, cloud code, you name it, all these tools are good enough today to fix any problem they're aware of. Again, awareness is the key here, right? So when they're unaware of it, there comes the second part, which is, okay, I need to bring the awareness layer. And what I do there is I go and very simply open the preview sandbox dev environment of my app, whatever, try to run the function that's broken, right click, read the console log, right? Every browser allows you to just go and read the console log. And a lot of times, it will record stuff. If it doesn't, you can prompt any tool and say, hey.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Attempt one of each only once, and I'll explain why in the end. First one is, again, every tool is different. I'll reference Lovables workflow, which is when something breaks, lovable's agent is smart enough to say, hey, I made a mistake. It will label that message in orange and have this little button usually, which is called try to fix. So agent basically admits it made a mistake. you click on a button and most times when it's a smaller issue it corrects the course fixes it no problem right now there are situations obviously when the problem is a little bit deeper than that right you click to try to fix but the problem persists and sometimes even the problem persists but logable's agents unaware that it persisted so there's no more try to fix button”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, great question. And absolutely true. Like, no matter how good of a plan you have in place, you're going to run into problems eventually. And I have like a small little framework that I call 4x4, just again, analogies, right? 4x4, if you have it on your car, you're going to get yourself out of the mud much easier than the other way around. So in that sense, four different ways to debug.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Most elite vibe coders rely on AI. Again, it's an amplifier, right? So I think everybody becomes an engineer in the world of the future, a designer, a PM. Everybody is a forward deployed engineer or an air assistant engineer or an LLM engineer or a vibe coder. The term is irrelevant. We're all using LLMs for raw output based on good judgment or bad judgment.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Everybody's going to become an engineer. Let's speak to that end. I feel like I'm a rapid engineer. I'll refer to myself as a rapid engineer in a year from now because vibe coding is just coding in 12 months from now. And even today, we spoke about this before, like how many elite elite engineers are publicly admitting they're no longer hand coding or manually coding or whatever you want to call it. AI writes all the code. I use the analogy here of like coding is going to be like calligraphy. You writing code is going to be the equivalent of like you write you fine printing like on a canvas and people like, oh my God, you wrote that code. That's so amazing. It's going to be so rare that it's going to become an art, right? It's not going to be commoditized completely. Like it already is in a sense.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Good skills of like, hey, who actually builds the world that needs to support billions of builders now? Because everybody's going to want to learn how to build stuff. Like, how do we teach them? How do we maintain everything that they need? The hostings, the security, the email, the connectors, the APIs, the whatnots. So I think there's going to be room for it. I'm also on the boat of people. I had an 18 year old brother and he asked me, what should I do? I would tell him, hey, go become a plumber. You know, don't go and get a CS degree. Learn a good trade, you know, because the new generation of millionaires in the US are actually electricians and plumbers and whatnots, right? So it's like, you know, it's a balancing act, I'd say. I don't know. I do still think that.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It never goes away. We will need elite engineering more than ever. Because let me tell you this, in a world where everybody builds and everybody's building everything. Who's doing the maintenance, right? Taining code bases, scaling code bases, maintaining projects, they're still going to be a thing, definitely. And obviously AI is going to be good at this. But again, that requires a different level of skills, right? It's one skill to build something. It's a completely different set of skills to expand it, extend it, and maintain it. And not to mention that in a world where everybody's building infrastructure suffers. We all know and experience like Cloudflare went down two or three times in the last two or three months. The whole internet goes down. Elite engineers are the ones fixing this. Lovable experiences massive amounts of influx of new users. Infrastructure there suffers. Elite engineers are the ones building the infrastructure to hold the fort, right? So like I think we're going to need a lot of people with real”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I went in and realized that what could be interpreted as a pretty simple or rather simple gradient took 50 different layers to produce. So I clicked on that component. I was like, oh my God, this is not three colors. This is 50 colors. And not just 50 colors, 50 colors with different gradients of levels of opacity. Oh, okay. Well, that, and that's the big disconnect that I've had all along. So, again, if I'm answering your question directly of like, okay, what are some of the other tricks? What are some of the other things? Design, guys, just expose yourself to exquisite designs. Follow Felix from Lovable. He has an amazing newsletter. And to teach you how to and learn how to prompt for good design. Learn about design styles. I didn't know what. Bauhaus meant or glass morphism had no”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We're training these tools to be more clear, to be better, to make better technical decisions. I don't think we will train them just yet to make better emotional decisions. And I think design is all about emotion. And that's where the level of the skill up needs to come. That's the biggest level up if you ask me, like, oh, what is the main thing you figure out when you joined Lovable? Like, what's the biggest personal upskill? Let's say like working with Felix Nad, Abby, all of the people that are designers just really what moved and shifted the needle for me. I'm like, oh, so this is how world class looks like. This is what it takes, right? You always use the analogy of like, I wanted to steal one of their designs and bring it into my lovable project. So I went into Figma and I was like, let me just take this background. Like, and just put it in there.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Today, if good enough was here, let's say let's visualize it for people. If this was pretty bad, could be better mediocre, good enough, world class. If this was the gap between good enough and world class, well, guess what? The gap is now this because everybody produces good enough with AI. Absolutely everyone does it. So now learning and optimize it for how do I produce world class and magic is the key lesson to take away today. As you pointed out, I think PMs are the winners of AI today because they bring clarity. If I was abetting man, as they say, I'd bet that the next class that wins our designers.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If we measure success in the right terms again, AI, as you pointed out, regardless of your background as an amplifier. So if you don't know what you're doing, you're just going to produce garbage faster. One thing, again, I just want to double down on is. In the old world, good enough was good enough, right? Because even producing good enough was not easy, right? 10 years, 15 years ago, just producing was more than plenty, more than good enough. You built a SAS. Who cares how it looks like? It works. It does stuff. Oh my God, I'm so much more productive.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would literally go to ChatGPT as I said and brain dump into it in my just type lovable PRD generator you'll see my name there right and and that I'm the author go in brain dump it will ask you a couple of questions to get clarity and just produce four files for you and you can just go ahead and and upload those amazing”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, people in go to market or sales or HR or whatever roles are now just confidently building internal stuff for us to manage our expenses or manage employee onboarding or like there's so many use cases like that where like you're seeing lovable and other tools for that matter being used to push things into production.”
2026-02-08 · Lenny's Podcast · The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source