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Lazarus Lake

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first: 2023-09-20
most recent: 2023-09-20
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“I appreciate you talking to me. Hopefully I've seen the impressive list of people, guests that you've had, and I thought, oh, I'm being lined up as a change of pace.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then the person who's the last person who DNFs is called the assist because he's really the one who decided how far the winner went. Without a good assist, you can't have a big performance. We're having the world championships in October here on my farm. And we've got runners from 30-something countries and a lot of really exceptional athletes. And I got to set it up where you remove the politics from sports. Everyone is there because they qualified. And I never liked beauty contests in sports when you're picking all stars or whatever. Like to get it down to be purely objective and no subjectivity in it at all. But I think it's a version of running that has a place for people at all levels to succeed and to accomplish something. It just seems like a worthwhile place to apply my time.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But to do it on and on, and you only have this short time in between, and as we did the first one in 2012, and now there's over 400 of them in like 70-something countries. But the winner is the last person left, and he can only go one lap after everybody else is gone. Once you finish a lap by yourself, the race is over. So people who want to achieve big performances have to have other good runners out there with them. There's one winner, everybody else is a DNF because the distance of the race is defined by how far the winner goes. So everyone else didn't finish. But people of all levels can go the furthest they've ever gone. It lends itself to that. It's really more about the individual achievement.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You run a four point one six six six six six six six six six six six six six six six six six six six six six seven mile loop and you do it once an hour. You have a start every hour and you have to be there in the starting corral and start every hour and finishing time to be in the corral next hour. And it just goes on until there's only one person left. So it's not that hard to run four miles in an hour”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Try to get away with a new. You know, I can't get away with much because I'm old and slow and I would be quickly caught. But I'm really putting a lot of focus on this thing called the backyard ultra. It's a just kind of a different sort of running sport. And I think it emphasizes the aspects of competition that are more positive.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm lucky it didn't happen when I was young and would think that it really meant something. I'm still just an old hillbilly that lives in the woods and some combination of circumstances have led to all this notice and attention, but it's not like I really deserve it. There are exceptional people all around who have done a lot more than I have. If it gives you the ability to maybe do some things that are positive or people will listen to you and you can give a positive message, then that's a good thing. But it's just a combination of circumstances, unfortunately not reflecting something I've done.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, best since Larry Bird when you were talking about the guy hitting a 95 three pointers in a row. There's a video Larry Bird called 50 Assists. And those are infinitely more impressive because of what they tell about the player's court awareness. Knowing where everybody is.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Denver looks good now, but you know that it's like AAU they'll redraw teams between now and then. It's funny the NBA game, the rules are designed to make it as much as possible a game of athleticism run and shoot. But I guess you'd call me a basketball purist. I like the passing, the offenses, the defenses, the teamwork, the skills. Really like the high school girls basketball is the most beautiful basketball you see play. It's almost an art the way that they play it. But at every level when you look, it's still the team that is best at those aspects of the game is still the one that wins.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I like to read about sports and I like to read about geology, history fascinates me, science, paleontology, archaeology, just kind of almost anything. Not chemistry or pure math are not really in my realm.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It varies I like their hash browns with pretty much everything in it an omelet, but I'm not much of a waffle eater because the syrup is too sweet for me.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The waffle house is the journey runner's friend, a reliable meal and a twenty four hour schedule, and there's something else about waffle houses people wouldn't know walking across the country and looking kind of derelict. I'll stop at one just because they have an indoor toilet. And then I buy something on my travels. I think if I go to a business and use their bathroom, I should buy something. So I might stop and just buy a glass of chocolate milk. And I've had the waitress think I was down on my luck and ask if I needed him to buy me a meal because that's how people are.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes Well, I live near Bellbuckle. It's a small country place and people know each other. I really live in an area I would call Short Creek. I went out before I came on here and did my morning three hour walk. I usually see only a couple of vehicles. If I see somebody I wave because they either know me or they're going to stop and ask directions because if you end up here you are trying to get somewhere else. It's just, it's pretty and it's green and it's not real densely populated and I know all my neighbors for miles around because I walk every day. It's special in the way and someplace else would be if I lived there and had been there a long time.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“East Tennessee is hillier, and West Tennessee got a great deal of the Mississippi alluvial plain as more rolling hills, but the people have a lot in common. People everywhere have a lot in common.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I enjoyed it greatly. I worked with a fellow named Ed Craig who was a really good city manager and I felt like we did a really good job for the city. Always looked at it that you're hired by the elected officials, but I think as a government employee, you work for the taxpayers. And I came away feeling that I did really did good service for the people who paid the taxes there. So it was a satisfying stint.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, everything is numbers. I really enjoyed accounting. Your accountant knows more about you than anybody except maybe your doctor. You can look at the numbers and see what's going on in places that you've never even physically been. I wasn't really a math person who likes the pure math. But I love numbers for the information and sports, in business, and everything. Numbers tell you everything.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One of my jobs, I worked the 11 to 7 shift, the graveyard shift ironically. It didn't really bother me to carry bodies to the morgue because the person was gone and just the body was left. I don't think it probably influenced me I was already maybe lacking that part to start with.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't remember what city it was. It was in Ohio. And the policeman, he would be derelict in his duty if he didn't ask why I was there. I didn't belong, but after we talked a few minutes he got out and took a selfie with me, and that kind of says it then I walked through some what were considered really terrible parts of big cities And talk to people, a smile and a wave works the same in every neighborhood. So if you want to renew your faith in humanity and you want to renew your faith in the country, walk across it and put yourself dependent on the kindness of strangers.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's a good way to look at it too. I wasn't ever sure I would make the next place, but I think if I hadn't been doing journey runs for a long time, I think someone that comes into it, it's the first time they do it, they're shocked by how good people are. You have hundreds of human interactions. They're all good. You have numerous law enforcement checks because sometimes you're doing things that don't look quite right. Of course, when you're crossing a mountain pass in the desert and the nearest house is fifty miles away, the law enforcement is checking to see if you're safe and sane, sane being a good question, but you've got things under control. I got stopped walking through a really ritzy part of town at four in the morning, looking like a homeless guy.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No place really surprised me. I got asked a lot what was my favorite place and I always told him it was the place I was at because”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Parents very often don't make a positive input into the sports for their kid. I think people of course I'm looking at high school coaches. I've not coached on the college level so I don't know the people. I think they really underappreciate The high school coaches that I knew and I've known a lot of them over almost 40 year period. The two things that you look at that you want your kids to come out of your program with are character and integrity You're proud of the games you win and you're there to win, but you're really teaching the kids lessons that you hope make them better people. And I don't see that's really changed. Maybe the manifestations of it. Maybe some of the stuff that you couldn't do now you probably never should have done. But you can have discipline without putting your hands on somebody.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that we probably aren't raising a generation that's in as good a physical condition as they could be. Doesn't mean they can't get in shape if necessity requires it. Ironically, that was a complaint of World War II that the recruits they got were not in good physical condition, but You know, that's not something that's written in stone and can't change.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is a great place and it's full of good people. I think that if we just don't lose our confidence in ourself, that this country is going the right way.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And the next thing you knew, people were putting coolers of drinks out by the road outside their house. They were loading up stuff and taking it and driving down the road to see where the runners were. The race is called the heart of the South and it's not about the physical location. It's about the people. And you go through What is supposedly the rural South doesn't have a great reputation as a humanitarian area? The support that people got along the way and the help and the things that everyone did for them and no one was asking who was a Republican or who was a Democrat that it was people helping people. Being out on the road as opposed to just watching the selective stuff on TV and working with the kids instead of just reading about them.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, up until just a couple of years ago, I was an assistant coach on the high school basketball team, and today's kids are great. I go out and do these journey runs where I'm just exposed and out there with people, and people are good. We just had an event where we took 82 people, they parked in a hayfield on top of a mountain in North Georgia. We bust them 350 miles away and put them on the side of the road with a map. Had 10 days to get back to their car. And they set out the first few people that went through the towns on the way, they would think, that's a really fast homeless guy. And then they would ask, what's going on?”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We haven't hit em yet, but there would be conditions where you would have to stop a race. They had a backyard in Finland this year. It was their national championship race and this huge storm went through with hundred mile an hour winds and it strewed power lines all over the course. They had to stop. Only a fool runs through live power lines on the ground.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've seen exceptional high school shooters that can shoot pretty close to that. On the one hand, I think you can't have too much respect for people who develop that kind of consistency in their shooting. But it seems totally possible.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would have to sit and really think about that a long time because I'm an overall general sports fan and there's so many amazing things that people have done. And then to try to compare different sports, you can't even compare all the different running sports very easily.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't know, I think that's what in a global sense that's what the ultra running is all about, certainly at the top level is looking for. What are the limits we're learning that people can learn and adapt to become better? And then There is this ability of the mind to drive the body beyond what seems to be physically possible. Who knows where the real limit lies?”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There are more commercial than they used to be. Everything changes, I think that there is still plenty of places for people to have the same experience. And the personal experience is not driven by the commercialization of it. The commercialization, the slower time limit is a bigger change than commercialization. When I started running Ultras, the time limits were really pretty strict and everybody who ran was young and in the prime of their career. If you had somebody run into their 40s or even 50, they were this rare exception. And now a lot more people can run for a long time. It extended my career because they didn't have the strict cutoffs they used to have. Eventually you get old enough you can't make the cutoffs anyway. But all of these are just the things that happens. Things either change or they die.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“First come, first served. So it could be just a freelance photographer or sports illustrated. It was just a matter of which one we heard from first. It seems fair.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We kept it a secret up through two thousand and then we had some elements in the park system that didn't want the race to exist and we realized in the struggle to keep going that we had to exist. So where we had been turning down media requests, we started accepting them. And strangely enough, especially in ultra marathons where you would kill to get media exposure, we have to select the media that we let in at Barclay because the venue is small and limited. You have to keep the number of people down or there's no place for the runners themselves.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now we don't tell what day the race will be run except to the people that are entered. And of course, nobody knows the starting time. Nobody knows the starting time for next year's race. Right now except me and Carl.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now we blow a conch shell to tell them that the start is an hour away. Uncertainty is built into the Berkeley everywhere because uncertainty is the most difficult thing for an athlete to deal with. So they don't know where the course exactly goes until the day before the race. They don't know when it's going to start until an hour before it starts. They know it'll start between midnight and noon. And if it doesn't start until after daybreak, there's a lot of sleepless nights because people are afraid they'll miss the cock.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh God. I should be able to pop up a number right off the top my head, but I I want to say it costs like $8,000 or $10,000 to put it on. But we do a lot of stuff that would not necessarily be necessary. We bring all the barricades and hang the flags of the country and states where the runners come from and having all these supplies requires us to rent a truck. When we first put it on, it was just there was nothing. People showed up and we ran.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They're all volunteers. The race actually is not cheap to put on and people donate. And the biggest part of your donations come from entrants. We have a Berkeley fund where we put the donations and use it to pay for the race and it's maintained a positive balance since 1986. It says something good about the people that run it. And then we get some donations from people that just follow it on the internet and think it's important something like this exists.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm transitioning it over to a guy named Carlaniac because I won't be around forever and We've just had to get rid of the non-productive quality, he had like empathy and other things that served no purpose. A race of this nature.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now they write an essay even if someone's not particularly eloquent if they write their essay they reveal themselves. They show who they are. You want people that are going to get something out of the experience, not people that will hate it. And not people that really aren't going to immerse them. They're just going to dip their toe and then post that they were there and leave.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And we get the right number of loops every year, even like this year when we had three finishers, which is really unusual. We still had just about the same number of total laps that we always have. It was fewer actually total laps than we had last year with zero finishers.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So that the total number of laps will come out to around one hundred ninety laps. And we can nail it pretty well. But then you get down to the people in those groups and you just have to draw. I use the Excel random number generator. Everybody's putting a number this within a group, and I'm going to pick so many of them. And I just have it pick a number in that sequence and that person gets in.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Even though we try to make it a little bit difficult to even submit an application, we get way too many. They write an essay and you look at the essays and try to pick out people who are going to get something from the experience you don't want. You don't want people who only are coming to post on Facebook that they came or to get on the entry list so they can post on Facebook that they were entered and then drop out before they have to hurt. So you still end up with a huge number of people and there's a whole complex process of how we divide them out into different groups because We don't want to have an impact on the wilderness area where the race is held. So that's really dependent not on the number of people, but the number of laps. So you select people of different levels of ability.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not really at all that's a connection that seems to be popular with the media because this is where that he escaped and certainly it was a big national story. It was a bigger story in Tennessee than anywhere else and it was really interesting to me because I had been hiking all through those mountains for years. And since I knew the terrain he was on. I was quite interested in seeing how he did, but I think any comparisons we make to James R. Ray are kind of belittling his escape attempt more than anything else. How did he do it? He didn't even make it the equivalent of a loop.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's only a small number of runners, and we don't want it to be a feat of finance. You have a lot of things that people do, but it's really like going to the Titanic. Going down on a submersible to see the Titanic doesn't require skill or dedication or effort, just money. So we don't want money to be the deciding factor for the Barclay. We want it to be a physical test, not a financial one.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“90% of the people they don't ever notice, but some of them, they catch on and they think we're really messing with them with the way the book titles are laid out.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My favourite one was the last book on the loop that was If I can it wasn't always easy, but I sure had fun. But we kind of have a theme every year. One year the theme was the Berkeley Marathons where dreams go to die. Another year it was the only thing that buckles here is your knees. Buckling is a runner's term for finishing within a certain time and winning a belt buckle. So we take that year's theme and we try to pick books that kind of fit with the theme and then we go through the course and since we know when it starts and we know where it goes and you have an idea what runners have been through, what they're coming to, what time of day it is, a little bit of a peek into their mind about what they're thinking or how they're feeling. You try to make the book titles match.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, no, if you don't have all your pages, you don't count. It doesn't matter. We don't really correlate it that you cheated. Usually people have lost a page, forgot to get a page. They've made some kind of other mistake.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the Barclay, it's pretty effective. We have checkpoints that are paperback books. Everyone tears out the page of the book that matches their bib number. So we count all the book pages when they get back.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Ah the most common one is to cut part of the distance off. You do occasionally have people who cheat. Now you read about them in marathons and you would have the same, have periodically the same thing in Ultra Running. I don't think anybody except them really understands why they do it because Ultra Marathon performances don't mean anything to anybody but you.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think it's really prevalent because there's not a lot of real motivation to do it. Nobody's making big bucks as an ultramarathoner. But I suspect you see it to some extent among people where you would wonder Why, you know, you're an age group competitor, you're not running at the front. But about anything there is that people could do, somebody does it.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I won't speculate because it's whether it's a real some real benefit to it or not, but shoes greatly reduce the number of injuries you're going to get to the skin on your feet.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Actually, I spent most of the time between days I would read about the geology of the area I'd just seen and read about the history and other things of the area I was going into. And then local people would tell me things about the places I was that otherwise you wouldn't know. It was an intense educational experience that really kept me mentally fully occupied all the way across.”
2023-09-20 · Conversations with Tyler · Lazarus Lake on Endurance, Uncertainty, and Reaching One's Potential · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source