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Lee Cronin

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“You generate a computing system that then is able to build an abstraction that then recognizes it can make a generalizable abstraction because human beings from mathematics have been able to go on and build physical computers, if that makes any sense. And I think that's the meaning. I think that's, you know, as far as we can, the meaning will be further elucidated with further experiments.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But because reality is so weird, we're just scratching at that. And I think that we have to make the experiments better. And we have to perhaps join across not just for the computationalists and what I try to do with Yasha is meet him halfway, say, well, what happens if I become a computationist? What do I gain? A lot, it turns out, because I can make Turing machines in the universe. Because on the one hand, I'm making computers, which are state machines inspired by Turing. On the other hand, I'm saying they can't exist. Well, clearly I can't have my cake and eat it. So there's something weird going on there. So then did the universe have to make a continuous to a discrete transition or is the universe just discrete? It's probably just discrete. So if it's just discrete, then there are, I will then give Yasha his Turing-like property. But maybe there's something else below it, which is the constructor that constructs a Turing machine that then constructs, you know, is a bit like...”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that's stacking. I mean, I have discussed this stacking a lot with Sarah Walker, who's a professor of physics and astrobiology at ASU. And we argue about how creative the universe is going to be and is it as deterministic as all that? Because I think she's more of a free will thinker and I'm of a less free will thinker. But I think we're beginning to converge and understanding that because there's simply a missing understanding. Right now we don't understand how the universe, we don't know what rules the universe has to allow the universe to contemplate itself. So asking the meaning of it before we even know what those rules are is premature. But my guess is that it's not meaningless and it isn't just about the and there's there are three levels of meanings. Obviously the universe wants us to do stuff. We're interacting with each other so we create meaning in our own society and our own interactions for humanity. But I do think there is something else going on.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Allows. And it's like this kind of constructive, destructive interference. So, maybe the universe is not just about is assembling objects in space and time, and those objects are able to search more space and time. And the universe is just infinitely creative. And I guess I'm searching for why the universe is infinitely creative. Is it infinitely creative? And maybe the meaning is just simply to make as many objects, create as many things as possible. And I see a future universe that doesn't result in the heap there for the universe. The universe is going to extract every ounce of creativity it can out of it because that's what we see on NERF, right?”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I have so many different answers to this question. It depends on what day. I would say that given what the conversation we've had today, I'd say the meaning, well, we make our own meaning. I think that's fine. But I think the universe wants to explore every possible configuration that it's allowed us to explore. And this goes back to the kind of question that you were asking about Yasha and the existence and non-existence of things, right? So if the universe is a Turing machine, it's churning through a lot of states. And you think about combinatorial theory before assembly theory, so everything is possible. What Yasha and I were saying is, well, not everything is, we don't see the combinator explosion. We see something else. And what we see is evidence of memory. So there clearly seems to be some interference between the commentory explosion of things and what the universe is.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, if you can't, if I cannot do an experiment or a thought experiment that will test this assumption, then the assumption is without merit, really, in the end. You know, that's fine.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Want to reduce the number of beliefs I need to understand the universe. So if time is fundamental, I don't need to have magic order at the beginning, and I don't need a second law.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because otherwise all the rest of us is just sleight of hand because the physicists will say yes, everything's deterministic. Newtonian mechanics is deterministic. Quantum mechanics is deterministic. Let's take the Everedian view. And then basically we can just draw out this massive universe branching, but it closes again and get it all back. And don't worry, you're finding a free will is effective. What the physicists are actually saying is the entire future is mapped out and that is clearly problematical. And clearly.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it could be that, I mean, I'm not saying there's perpetual motions allowed in this free lunch, but I'm saying if the universe is intrinsically asymmetric and it appears to be and it's generating novelty and it appears to, couldn't that just be a mechanistically how reality works? And therefore I don't really like this idea that so I want to live in a deterministic universe that is undetermined. Right, the only way I can do that is if time is fundamental.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The natural consequence of that is if time is fundamental and the universe is inflating in time. You like, then there are one or two conservation laws that we need to have a look at And I wonder if that means the total energy of the universe is actually increasing over time. This may be completely ludicrous, but we do have all this dark energy that's we have some anomalies, let's say, dark matter and dark energy. If we don't add them in, galaxy is so dark matter, I think doesn't hold, you know, you need to hold the galaxies together and there's some other observational issues. Could dark energy just be time?”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Which law do you want to break? The origin of the origin of the Big Bang, you had to break the second law because we got order for free. What I'm telling you now is that the energy isn't conserved in the universe.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I think that's why I don't want to go back to the time discussion, but I think it has some relationship with it. The universe is basically smarter now than it used to be and is going to continue getting smarter over time because of novelty generation and the ability to create objects within.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, the fact that we now sit here in this period in time and we can imagine all these robots and all these machines and we built them. And so we can easily imagine going back in time that the universe was capable of having them. But I don't think it can.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Can it be sure? I don't know, I don't understand if it has to be or not. Can it be? But can the universe have Turing machines in it? Sure. They do exist now. I'm wondering though Maybe this is where things get really hairy, is I think the universe maybe in the past did not have the computational power that it has now.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But this is where the existence is the default, right? The fact that we exist and we can come up with a Turing machine, does that mean the universe has to be a Turing machine as well?”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So the abstractor is the ability of, say, Alan Turing and Goodel and Church to think about the mathematical universe and to label things. And then from those labels to come up with a set of axioms with those labels and to basically understand the universe mathematically and say, okay, I can label things. But where did the labeler come from? Where is the prime labeler?”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Or computers to exist in the universe. We have them. But what I'm trying to understand is where did the transition from continuous to disgree occur? And this is because of my general foolishness of understanding. The continuous. But I guess what I'm trying to say is there were constructors before there were abstractors because how did the universe abstract itself into existence? And he goes back to earlier saying could the universe intelligence have come first?”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Something like not quite, but I think so this concept of Turing machine. So a Turing machine machines, I would argue, and I think this is not that Turing machine, the universe is not a Turing machine. Biology is not even a Turing machine, right? Because Turing machines don't evolve, right? There is this problem that people see Turing machines everywhere. But isn't it interesting? The universe gave rise to biology that gave rise to intelligence, that gave rise to Valent Turing, who invented the abstraction of the Turing machine and allowed us to digitize. And so I've been looking for the mystery at the origin of life, the origin of intelligence and the origin of this. And when I discussed with Yasha, I think Yosha, he was saying, well, the universe, of course, the universe is a Turing machine. Of course, there's a hypercomputer there. And I think we got kind of trapped in our words and terms because, of course, it's possible for a Turing machine.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so Yasha is an incredible mind and he's so well read and uses language really elegantly bamboozles me at times. So often I'm using, I'm describing concepts in a way that I built from the ground up. And so we misunderstand each other a lot.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I have my doubts, but I'm not qualified. I'm sure people have their doubts that computation works. But I've got it working. And”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and I think the coming back to consciousness, I don't think the universe is doomed to heat death, right? It's one of the optimistic, that's why I want to kind of nudge you into thinking that time is fundamental, because time is fundamental, then suddenly you don't have to give it back. The universe just constructs stuff. And what we see around this in our construction, I know everyone's worried about how fragile civilization is. And I mean, look at the fundamentals. We're good until the sun expands, right? We've got quite a lot of resource on earth. We're trying to be quite cooperative. Humans are nice to each other when they're not under enormous stress. But coming back to the consciousness thing, are we going to send human beings to Mars or conscious robots to Mars? Or are we going to send some hybrid? And I don't know the answer to that question right now. I guess, you know, Elon's going to have a pretty good go at getting there. I'm not sure whether.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Is good to some degree, but I think I have to be careful because I think I have a very, I mean, I think that the world isn't that broken, right? I think the world is pretty cool place. I think academia is really great. I think climate change presents a really interesting problem for humanity that we will solve.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think it's not a new danger, right? I now know how I should use Twitter and how I shouldn't use Twitter, right? I like to provoke people into thinking. I don't want to provoke people into outrage. It's not fun. It's not a good thing for humans to do, right? And I think that when you get people into outrage, they take sides. And taking sides is really bad. But I think that we're all beginning to see this. And I think that actually I'm very optimistic about how things will evolve because, you know, I wonder how much how much productivity has Twitter and social media taken out of humanity because how many now, I mean, so the good thing about Twitter is it gives power to minorities, right? And that's good in some degree. But I wonder how much voice does it give to all sorts of other... Problems that don't need this emerged.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah. I mean, but coming back to the you worry that something's lost. I agree. But I think that we will get to an AGI, but I wonder if it's not, it can't be separate from human consciousness because the causal chain that produced it came from humans. So what I kind of try and suggest heavily to people worry about the existential threat of AI saying, I mean, you put it much more elegantly earlier. Like, we should worry about algorithms on DAM algorithms written by human beings on Twitter driving us insane, right? Acting in odd ways.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Sure, consciousness requires that we have many models being generated. It's not just one domain specific AI, right? I think the way to create a consciousness, I'm going to say unashamably, the best way to create a consciousness is in a chemical system because you just have access to many more states. And the problem right now we're making silicon consciousness is you just don't have enough states. So there are more possible states, or sorry, there are more possible configurations possible in your brain than there are atoms in the universe. And you can switch between them. You can't do that on a core I-10. It's got 10 billion, 12 billion, 14 billion transistors, but you can't reconfigure them as dynamically.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They gendered the Lom Yeah, why not? But I was thinking this lawnmower, if you apply integrated information theory to lawnmower is conscious. Now, information integrated information theory is that people say it's a flawed way of measuring consciousness, but I don't think it is. I think assembly theory actually measures consciousness in the same way. Consciousness is something that has generated over a population of objects, of humans. Consciousness didn't suddenly spring in. Our consciousness has evolved together, right? The fact we're here and the robots we leave behind, they will have some of that. So we won't lose it all.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, but I think you already know the answer to that question. I have a robot lawnmower at home. My kids call it CC, cool cutter. It's a robo mo. And the way it works, it has an electric field around the perimeter. And it just tell it the area. It goes out from its base station, just mows a bit, gets to the perimeter, detects, and then chooses a random angle, rotates around and goes on. My kids call it cool cutter. It's a she. I don't know why it's a she. When they were like quite young, they called it, I don't want to be sexist there. It could be a he, but they liked.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so look, I'm going to say something quite contentious. I mean, Elon wants to go to Mars. I think it's brilliant wants to go to Mars. But I would counter that and say, is Elon just obsessed with getting humanity off Earth? Or what about just technology? So if we do technology, so Elon either needs to take a computer to Mars because he needs to manufacture drugs on demand, right? Because zero cost payload and all that stuff is just code. Or what we do is we actually say, hang on, it's quite hard for humans to survive on Mars. Why don't we write a series of origin life algorithms where we put our embed our culture in it, right? It's a very riddly spot, Prometheus, right? Yeah. Is a terrible film, by the way. But anyway, and Dump It On Mars and just Terraform Mars. And what we do is we evolve life on Mars that is suited to life on Mars.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Slave, yeah. I found one of my biggest fantasies is actually like a planet that's basically half in the sun. It doesn't rotate, right? And you have two different origins of life on that planet. They don't share the same chemistry. And then the only time they recognize each other is when they become intelligent, they go, Well, what's that moving?”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and also, I mean, I'll say something dramatic which may not be true. So I should be careful. If, let's say, we did discover a new living system and it was made out of a shadow biosphere. We just released it in the environment. Who cares? It's going to use different stuff.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think we can do it, but only in the robot. So the causal chain that's going to allow it is when the robot, these particles, if they do start to self-replicate, the systems can be so fragile that I don't think anything dangerous will come out. It doesn't mean we shouldn't treat them as potentially, you know, I mean, I don't want to scare people like gain of function. We're going to produce stuff that comes out. Our number one kill switch is that we always try to search a space of objects that don't exist don't exist in the environment. So even if something got out, it just would die immediately. It's like making a silicon life form or something or, you know.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we have done this with the oxides I talked about earlier, the lymphatum oxides and the rings and the bulls. And the problem is that they do... The autocatalytically enhance one another so they would, I guess you would call it self replication. But because there's limited function, Mutation, they're pretty dumb, so they don't do very much. So I think the prospect of us being able to engineer a nanomaterial life form in the short term. Like I said earlier, my aim is to do this, of course. I mean, on one hand, I'm saying it's impossible. On the other hand, I'm saying I'm doing it. So which is it, Lee? You know, it's like.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It created. That's amazing. That's incredible. But the nanoparticles themselves are dumb. The robot has all the thinking. So we don't try and imply any self-replication or try and get the particles to make themselves. Although it would be cool to try.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Looks at the color and it uses a genetic algorithm and a map elite actually on it and it goes around in cycles and refines the color to the objective. Now we use two different points. We have an exploration and an optimization. They're two different. So the exploration just says just do random stuff and see how many different things you can get. And when you get different things, try and optimize and make the peak sharper, sharper, sharper. And what it does after a number of cycles is it physically takes a sample of the optimized nanomaterial, resets all the round bottom flasks, cleans them, and puts the seed, physical seed back in. Then what this robot is able to do is search a space of 10 to the 23 possible reactions in just a thousand experiments in three days. And it makes five generations of nanoparticles, which get nicer and nicer in terms of shape.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Wedding ring or gold bar or something, those are the ways of conducting electrons basically reflect light. What we did is we randomly squirt the gold particle and the reducing agent in and we measure the UV. We measure the color. And so what we do is we've got the robot has a mind. So it has a mind where in a simulation, it randomly generates nanoparticles and the plasmon, the color that comes out, randomly imagines in its head. It then, so that's the imaginary side of the robot, and the physical side of the robot, it squirts.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, no, it tells you about unknown, the degree of unknown. So you can fingerprint stuff. They weren't looking at basically just look at the corpus of complex organic molecules. So when I was a bit down about assembly theory, because I couldn't convince referees and couldn't convince computational people interested in computational complexity, I was really quite depressed about it. And I mean, I've been working with Sarah Walker's team, and I think she also invented in 70 theory in some way. We can talk about it later. When I found the AI not working for the dendril project, I suddenly realized I wasn't totally insane. Coming back to this nano robot, so what it does is basically like a computer, but now what it does is it squirts a liquid with gold in it in a test tube, and it adds some reducing agent, so some electrons to make the gold turn into a nanoparticle. Now, when gold becomes a nanoparticle, it gets a characteristic color, a plasmon. So it's a bit like if you look at the sheen on the gold.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, in this robot, the robot does all the heavy lifting. So the robot basically is an embodied AI. I really like AI in a domain-specific way. Actually, I should say at this point, there was an attempt in the 60s. Joshua Ledenberg and some really important people did this that made an AI to try and guess if organic molecules and the mass spectrometer were alien or not. They failed because they didn't have assembly theory.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I think that that's fine. But we're so far away from that. I can barely get the thing to work in the lab, right? And I mean, it's reliability and all this other stuff. But what I think is going to happen in the short term, it's going to turbocharge molecular discovery. Reliability, and that will change the world.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I think it's up to the society To tell governments what it wants, what's acceptable, right? And if it becomes, let's say that THCs become, you know, heavily acceptable and that you can modify them. So let's say it's like blood type. There's a particular type of THC that you tolerate better than I do. Then why not have a machine that makes the one you like And why not”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm a chemistry professor in a university who's an entrepreneur as well. I just think I need to be as responsible as I can in the discussion.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I cannot imagine that computers will be in people's houses anytime soon, but they might be at the local pharmacy. Right, and if you've got a drug manufacturing facility in every town, then you just go and they give you a prescription, they do it in such a way, they format it so that you don't have to take 10 pills every day. You get one manufactured for you that has all the materials you need and the right distribution.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Take way too much? I mean, I would say, to be honest, that the chances of computers being, well, shouldn't always never, so the fact I can now say this means it's totally going to come true, right? You know, I'm”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We have some social responsibilities as an entity to make sure that we're not enabling people to manufacture personal drugs, weapons at will. And what we have to do is have a discussion with society, with the people who invest in this, with people that are going to pay for this, to say, well, do you want to live longer? And do you want to be healthier? And are you willing to accept some of the risks? And I think that's a discussion to have.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And what you could do perhaps is do the type of thing we need to basically look at the way that contact tracing should have been done in COVID, where people are given the information. So you've just been in contact with someone COVID. You choose, I'm not telling you to stay at home, you choose, right? So now if we could imagine the similar thing, like, you know, you have got access to these chemicals. They will have these effects. You choose and publicize it, or maybe it's out somewhere. I don't know. I'm not a policymaker on this. And my job here is to not just make the technology possible, but to have as open as a discussion as possible with people to say, hey, can we stop childhood mortality with this technology? And do those benefits outweigh the one-off where people might use it for terrorism or people might use it for recreational drugs? Chemify, which is the name of the entity that will make this happen, I think we have to have...”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah, but this is cool because Suddenly When you actually synthesize it, you can get the analytical data, but there's also a fingerprint in there of the impurities that get carried across because you can never make something 100% pure. That fingerprint will allow you to secure your KideL. So what you do is encrypt those two things. So suddenly you can have people out there mining.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm thinking, so there's another way of doing it, a decentralized peer-to-peer version where, and what you have to do, I'm not saying you should adopt a blockchain, but there is a way of maybe taking KidL's and put them on blockchain. Here's an idea. Let's just say the way we do it in my lab right now is we go to the literature, we take a recipe to make a molecule, convert that to Kidl, and diligently make it in the robot and validate it. So I would call mining, proof of work, proof of synthesis.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Given cannabis THC to some people who've got epilepsy isn't literally forgive the term a no-brainer because these poor people go from seizures like every day to maybe seizures just once every few months.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Engineer Akio will be as hard as reverse engineering the encryption key Know brute force, it will be cheaper to just actually buy the regulated medicine. And actually people aren't going to want to then make their own fake pharmaceuticals because it'll be so cheap to do it. We'll drop the cost of access to drugs. Now, what will happen? Recreational drugs. People start saying, well, I want access to recreational drugs. Well, it's going to be up to, it's going to accelerate that social discussion that's happening in the US and Canada and the UK everywhere, right?”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And let's just think in the computer world right now with Kydi Els. Let's just not think about what I'm doing right now. What I'm doing right now is it's completely open, right? Everyone's going to know Kydie Els and be playing with them, making them more easier and easier and easier. But what we're going to start to do, it makes sense to encrypt the Kide Ls in such a way, let's say you work for a pharmaceutical company and you have a license to make given molecule. Well, you get issued with a license by the FDA and your local authority and they'll say, right, your license to do it. Here it is. It's encrypted and the KIDL gets run. So you have a license for that instance of use. Easy to do. Computer science has already solved the problem. So the fact that we all trust online banking, right, right now, then we can secure it. I'm 100% sure we can secure the computer. And because of the way we have a many, you know, it's like the same mapping problem that you to actually reverse.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now, I mean, that was such a tragedy that obviously the guy was mentally ill, but it wasn't just a tragedy for him, it was for all the people on Lord. But what if, and I was inspired by this and my thinking, what can I do to anticipate problems like this in the computer had the software, and I'm sure Boeing and Airbus will be thinking, oh, maybe I can give the computer a bit more situational awareness. So whenever one tries to drop the height of the plane and it knows it above the outs, we'll just say, oh, no, computer says no, we're not letting you do that. Of course, he would have been able to find another way. Maybe fly it until it runs out of fuel or something. But, you know.”
2022-03-11 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #269 – Lee Cronin: Origin of Life, Aliens, Complexity, and Consciousness · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source