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Lisa Madigan

lines on the record: 78
first: 2019-02-18
most recent: 2019-02-18
sittings or episodes: 1
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“Know what? I'm old enough and I have enough experience that I know never to say never. But that is not something I see myself doing in the immediate.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is a literal lifetime for them. And so look, we saw it during the November elections and there's this group of new congresspeople. And it's a huge group of women and they're diverse. And I am so excited that I can be in a position where simply by serving during the time I did, in some ways you get to serve as a role model. And now I can be behind them and supporting them in other ways. Do you see your”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And we were talking about this before we started taping, it really gives you hope for the future, particularly at a time when you look at the national politics and they appear to be rather bleak some days, some days really horribly bleak. But there are young people, there's another generation, and that's something else that I thought about for myself is, look, 20 years, that's a long time. That's a lifetime for many people. In fact, many people don't serve an elected office for them.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I'm not teaching algebra. Some poor student came in and told me they'd just taken their calculus midterm. And I said, gosh, I evaded calculus my entire life. Statistics too. But it really is...”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, actually I haven't yet. I've been waking up and I've had an opportunity to come and engage with bright young minds and it has been so satisfying and in some ways it almost feels full circle of going back to when I started teaching almost 30 years ago and I really have enjoyed the engagement because not Allen.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Sure, I mean, as you said, it was awkward. And I think it was unfortunate. But it is what it is. And so, you know, the wonderful thing that I know from my life experience is that there are innumerable ways to serve and to make a difference. You can do that direct service teaching. You can do that as a lawyer. You can do that as an elected official. And so I'm really blessed to have served in an elected office here in the state of Illinois for 20 years. I never lost an election. And I like to believe that along with the tremendous lawyers and staff that I had the opportunity to work with, we really made significant differences in people's lives.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's right. He has been. But then I also had the opportunity to serve as Attorney General longer than anybody in the state of Illinois.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Sure, we did. And I even pulled it. Look, I could have won. It would have been ugly. But at the end of the day, if he wanted to remain in the House of Representatives and as the speaker, I just didn't think that that was the right thing to do for me and for the people in the state. And so he's been there longer. He's been longer than...”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, then in the U.S. Senate, particularly if you would end up in the minority. And so you have an enormous platform and you can spend a lot of time on TV, and those are important things to do in terms of moving public opinion. But I'm a worker bee. I like to be in my office. I like to sit behind my desk. I like to directly talk to people. And apparently the receptionist desk.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because the authority and ability that I had as the Illinois Attorney General to make a difference in people's lives was enormous. And I felt that I would have more power as the”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The overall amount that they owe. So, really some terrible tactics. When I was the Attorney General in Illinois, we were the ones that initiated the investigation in Naviant and Sally May, the largest of the student lenders and student servicers in the country. And that'll be the one issue that was not resolved while I was still there that I'm most disappointed that I didn't get to see the resolution of.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right, and the use of that in some ways was that it gave me this expertise in lending. And almost all of the abuses that I saw in the mortgage lending industry, we were trying to get complaints about in the student lending industry. So it was everything from students being put into loans from for-profit schools where the lender knew 70, 80% of these students were going to default because they were never going to get a better job because they had gone to a lousy, unaccredited school. And then when people were turning to their servicer, the person they have to make their monthly loan payment to find out, well, what can I do in terms of being able to actually not default on my loan instead of being given the information about income-based payments, they were put into deferments that at the end of the day just increased”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We're absolutely going backward. I'm not just concerned. That's the reality of it. Before I left the Attorney General's office, I feel as if what every other week we were either writing a letter to oppose what the Department of Education was doing or gain involved in lawsuits directly challenging what they were doing we spent an enormous amount of time particularly aftermath of mortgage foreclosure Dealing with student lending because so many of the problems were very”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The Catholic Church cannot police itself. They've made that clear. And they shouldn't be allowed to treat criminal behavior as an internal personnel matter. That should have never happened. And I think what they have moved to is sending allegations to law enforcement, but historically, they held on to them for so long that the statute of limitations had run. And so really the other question this brings up is, well, who knew what when, and was there a concerted effort to cover up this behavior so that there would be no criminal liability? And that is wrong. And so I think as these investigations go on here in Illinois and in other states around the country, there really is going to be more of an effort made to determine are there people out there who need to take responsibility for what happened? Are there criminal prosecutions that can be brought?”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“or there may have been an investigation, and they chose not to find that a credible allegation, or they found it a credible allegation and never disclosed it. So there is still an enormous amount of work to be done.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Accused that that had really happened, and nonetheless, that information hadn't been disclosed. In fact, of the six dioceses here in Illinois, only two of them even maintained public list of those priests. And so as a result of our initial investigation, every single diocese here in Illinois has now published a list. They are continuing to add names to those lists because as we're coming across people, we're saying to them, well, why isn't this person on the list publicly? And they're adding them. So again, as I said, when we started, it was about 145. As of December, it was closer to 190. But overall, the number that we saw, 680. So there were over 500 priests and clergy members who had allegations of abuse against them where there may have not been an investigation.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And we can either do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way. And they all agreed to cooperate, and that has been true to some extent. And what was just shocking even after a few months of reviewing files that they voluntarily turned over is that it was very evident that there were hundreds and hundreds more allegations that had been made against Catholic priests and clergy than had ever been investigated or reported to the public. So when we started the investigation back in August, September of last year, there were approximately, I think, 140, 150 priests that had been credibly accused of sexual assault or sexual abuse against a minor here in Illinois. As we were going through files, we were seeing circumstances where there had been an investigation and it looked as if those people were”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Correct. And I think, right, it's the combination of those two things where you like to think that there has been change that has actually been effective, and then you find out that really the Catholic Church has never come clean. And to some extent, they may have cleaned up. But there are people that we probably encounter every day who have had some form of sexual misconduct happen to them. And it is an incredible burden for them to live with that. And we really owe it to them as survivors to make sure that they receive some measure of accountability and justice from the church. And so after I read what Pennsylvania had done, I reached out to the bishops of all six dioceses here in Illinois and said that to them, look, we're going to open an investigation. I would like your cooperation.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“First, let me say this to give great credit to Attorney General Josh Shapiro because it was really that Pennsylvania grand jury report that exposed again just the breadth and the depth of the abuse problem that has taken place in the Catholic Church in terms of the sexual assault and the sexual abuse of minors for decades and decades. And having read that It was gut wrenching. It was a mother, as a Catholic, as a human. It's horrible criminal activity that scarred people and ruined their lives. So to me it was imperative having read that and recognizing that it wasn't just isolated to Pennsylvania. Those priests were moved around all over.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Are doing their jobs properly and not improperly. So the wonderful and hopeful thing about the consent decree is that from start to finish, we've looked at every single area relevant to policing and made provision for the policies that are necessary, the resources that are necessary, benchmarks to make sure that the train is taking place and that there's accountability. And so for me, there's real hope that after decades and decades and decades of problematic policing and problematic community interaction, that we're going to be able to rebuild that trust and really have a modern police force in the city that works for everybody.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And we want the police to know who we are. And we want the police to work with us because we're willing to work with them. We don't want bad people in our neighborhood either. We don't want crime in our neighborhood either. But when they show up and it just turns into yelling and screaming and we're called names and treated like animals, it's very difficult for us to work with the police. So I think that there is an absolute desire for significant reform and for the rebuilding of trust between community members and the police department. And I would say, you know, we also had a whole series of focus groups with police officers themselves. And they made it very clear that they haven't received the training they needed. They haven't received the resources or the support or quite frankly even the discipline that has been necessary to make sure that people”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, as part of the negotiation of the consent decree, the Illinois Attorney General's office actually did a whole series of community roundtables. And some of the most affected communities in the city. And I was just every single night impressed with the number of people that came out to have the conversations about what they had experienced and what they were hoping for because there were a lot of people who said, you know what, there is community engagement fatigue. People are tired of talking about this. People just want to see change. And what we found was that the majority of people who would come out and talk about it would say, look, we understand that the police have a very difficult job and we understand that they need more support. But what we also want is to be treated like human beings.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that that was the right decision because there is an open question of law. It would take us a while to talk about it. But in essence, you're supposed to sentence somebody based on the most serious offense. And while to, you know, the average person, second degree murder sounds more serious than aggravated battery, the reality is when you actually look at the sentences in the situation here, the second degree murder is only a first degree felony, whereas the other one is a Class X felony. And one of them only carries the provision that 50% of your time needs to be served, whereas the other one is 85% of the time. And so it's a little flipped. And that's why they've asked, because there is case law here in the state that would say that the judge may not have followed the law.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“limited to circumstances where there's a conflict of interest. So if an assistant state's attorney is convicted or is picked up for drunk driving, that office can't prosecute one of their own or, and this happens with some frequency, unfortunately, there is A triple quadruple murder that takes place in a downstate county where they don't have the resources to prosecute that case, then we had a very elite group of criminal prosecutors who would come in and work with that county state's attorney to effect that.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So in most big states in the United States, the Attorney General is not your frontline criminal prosecutor. So here in Illinois, New York, California, right? They all have states attorneys or district attorneys that they're electing out of counties to be the frontline prosecutors. So when there's a murder or rape or robbery, those are the people that bring those indictments. Whereas in Illinois, your state attorney general is really the lawyer for the people of the state. Of the 300 plus 400 lawyers in the Illinois Attorney General's office, 85% of them are civil lawyers. So yes, there's a criminal component, but it's a very different component with much more constrained authority than your state's attorneys. Now, there are times when the attorney general will step in to the role of a state's attorney, but that tends to be”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think any of us said that at the time, right? I mean, we served at the time when he ran for Congress against Bobby Rush and Donnie Trotter. And lost that badly episode, right And there was really that feeling, at least in that race, that he wasn't from the neighborhood. He wasn't black enough. Which now you look back, and you know, there's some irony to that as well”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So here's my lesson from all of that, people. Use your phone to take a lot of pictures because I simply don't have enough pictures from the time that we were in the Senate together. And another thing you should know is...”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you really had to. Right, because at the time, the four years that I served in the State Senate, we were in the minority And I think that that was, to me, what was most exceptional about Barack is that he had that ability to be a leader and to get things accomplished, even when he was just first, second year in Springfield, and even though we were the minority party. The only way you could get anything done is if you had the cooperation and the agreement of the Republican Party, which at the time, you know, was Pate Phillip again. Nobody, a few of us will appreciate that, but very different. I think the word”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Very clear that he was super smart, ambitious. You know, he had been a lawyer, probably still was at the time, right? A lawyer in private practice, plaintiff side. He was teaching constitutional law here at the University of Chicago You know, it seemed in some ways a little unusual for somebody with that profile to be in Springfield, but in other ways it was absolutely terrific. He sat on the judiciary committee. And while there's always chatter on the floor, even when people are debating bills, he was one of the very few people who when he would stand up to debate, everybody would quiet down because they actually wanted to hear what he had to say because even if they weren't necessarily going to vote for the position he was taking, they knew that he would have something to add to the debate and he would probably be right on his position.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So then just state senator Barack Obama was the person that I sat next to and we had our offices next to each other. So that turned out. And tell me about that.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is the fourth time I've seen you here. We know that you're committed. Go home and get some sleep. I'll vote for you. And that's when you know, okay, maybe I can, you know, maybe I can settle down a little bit. But I won. And it was a horrible. You won big. Two to one.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Correct, I'm forgetting that aspect of it again. But yeah, so it was kind of a weird political circumstance that you can appreciate and others may be able to appreciate. But anyway, one of the things I remember going door to door and standing at LSPs is there was one morning, you know, you go to these L stops at, what, 6, 6, 30 in the morning so you can see all the morning commuters. And somebody said to me it was snowing and freezing and somebody passed by and said, Lisa”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Probably not even power bars. And wasn't showing up at the community events that were being held. So, you know, I got to, as one might not.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You saw the future. I should have invested. I met people, and every morning I was going to the L stops and the train stops. And as you'll appreciate, right, since we're here in Chicago, it was a Democratic primary. That was the race. Right.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The machine of your father And so they're all against me. I took seven months off of my job. I took a leave of absence. And I went door to door every single day. And some days it was four hours, many days it was six hours. Some days it was eight hours. I carried power bars in my pockets. That was my lunch, my dinner.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Anyway, so there were a fringe around the district of what you and I would call Lakefront liberal wards. And they were supporting me, whereas Ed Kelly wasn't Dick Melville. Just to put it in context, this is”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A lot of jobs, a lot of jobs. So it was the 47th ward, half of the 33rd ward. And that made up 85% of my district. And then I at the time lived in the 44th ward Bernie Hanson was in charge over there at the time. So it was a couple of precincts in 43. Okay, you and I are the only people who are going to appreciate this. So I'll stop this. But really what it amounted to, I'm getting off on it, but I'm thinking, but a lot of people out here who are scratching their heads. Maybe you have a lot of people from Chicago who are political junkies and stuff like that. Well, we'll have more for that.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“District shopping, that kind of thing. Exactly. So, I mean, I still remember the wards in my district. It was virtually all of the 47th ward, which was where it was all Ed Kelly.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so, you know, the world is funny and you just never know who you're going to meet and how things are going to turn out. But you're right. So I decide I'm going to run for the state Senate and I live up on the north side, you know, as far as I'm concerned, you know, back to my roots. Roots, yes. Even though you're 100% right, it was just portrayed as, you know, your carpet.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Correct. And so that's why I wanted to talk about for a second. He did. He kind of sent me off on this mission here, go talk to these people. And I think, you know, I'm sure that, you know, he'd called all of them and said, you know, would you sit down with my daughter and tell this is a terrible idea? And so I spent about a month going out to these lunches. And then I went back to him and said, look, I still want to do this. And you know who was the person who told me I should run for office? Paul Simon.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So let's talk about that. But beforehand, let's talk about the decision to run because back to, and this is actually something that Paul Simon used to say, and I remember this vividly when he would do Youth Government Day down in Southern Illinois. He would always say to kids Look, nobody's parent is ever going to tell them to get involved in government and politics and to run for office. And that was certainly true in my case as well.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Be able to help themselves and help their communities more. So it was this. Just another really unique and important opportunity, but it was both being in South Africa and then working on the west side that finally said to me, oh, now I know I want to go to law school. Because I want to have a credential that will allow me to continue to do this social justice work and to help people. And so I finally decided I would go to law school. But to be honest, I wasn't so sure I was going to like it or be any good at it. So I went at night initially to Loyola. And turns out I did great and I loved it. So even though it was supposed to take me four years to get out after a year and a half of doing it part-time, I squashed all my classes into the last year and a half and got out in three years.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Look, if you could do anything, what would you be doing right now? And I just very honestly said, look, I want to be, you know, helping kids. I just had this extraordinary experience in South Africa. And they looked back at me and told me what they were doing. And I said, oh my gosh, sign me up. And it was this, you know, kind of random situation. But after that, I was spending my afternoons and my weekends in the roll call room of an old Chicago police station more along the Hill Street Blues model than these fancy new ones that look like libraries or community centers. And we were bringing kids in after school and on the weekends and it was everybody from first graders through 12th graders. And we were trying to kind of keep them engaged in their education, but we were also trying to keep them off the streets and away from the gang so they didn't become part of the criminal justice system. And instead, you know, they would stay engaged, get an education.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I found a job where there was a phenomenal group of women who were former head start leaders who were working at Wright College and they had recently decided to partner with the 15th Police District in the Austin community, so the far west side of the city, to pioneer community policing strategies as a crime reduction method that had at that point not been adopted citywide in Chicago, but there were some jurisdictions in the United States where they were doing that and it was being effective. And so it was interesting. I went on sort of an informational interview that somebody had connected me to these folks and they said to me,”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. And so when I came home, I really wanted to find a job where I would have an opportunity to translate some of what I had seen and what I have learned back into communities and for people here in Chicago. Because as you can imagine, there were a lot of people who said to me before I left, look, if you want to make a difference, you don't have to go to Africa. There are plenty of problems right here in Chicago that you can address. And I didn't disagree, but I knew I wanted to give back in a way that I probably wouldn't have the chance to later in life. And so that was one of my motivators to go to Africa. So when I came back, I really wasn't ready to go to law school.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I think I'll take your second question first. So to me. Catholic Christians. It's all at its heart about social justice. And so I've gotten to a point in my life where I can say, look, my mission is all about service and it's about justice. One of my favorite bumper stickers of all time is the one that says, you know, if you want peace, work for justice.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. I mean, as any legitimate parent would be, both of my parents were. And my mother actually and my grandmother came to visit me over Christmas when we were there. So I did have an opportunity to take them. I took them to Cape Town and then they came.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I got a chance to see some of them this past August when I was in South Africa and Mozambique. But their commentary back to me, which I really treasure, is the fact that a young American woman who had just gotten out of college and had any number of opportunities available would come and live in South Africa during such a trying time and showed us that we were important and that our futures mattered. And so, you know, you can never underestimate the power of simply presence. I like to think that I was able to teach them some things. I like to think that I improved some people's grammar and English. I certainly did not improve anybody's grasp of algebra, but it was a unique.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's very heavy, and particularly when you understand it, it's political violence. And it is, you know, I think to the outside world, it looked as if it was black on black violence when in fact it was white South African government really instigating that type of violence. You know, I have to say looking back on all of it. While I was a teacher, I learned more than I think I ever could have taught my students. And I keep in touch with some of them And actually, later.”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Strange things like are you lost? Do you need, are you okay? Do you need any help? And as soon as they'd hear the American accent, they'd back off. Since I wasn't a White South African?”
2019-02-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 309 — Lisa Madigan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source