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Lisa Nandy

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  1. “Sports people in the whole history of the world. Yeah, I agree with that. And, you know, Billy Boston, for those of you who don't follow the right sort of rugby very closely, he is a black man who was, I think he was the first black player to ever play for our country. He's still a very big figure in Wigan. He's a wonderful, kind man. But we love him and he really symbolizes Wigan. And so when Johnson and his ilk were trying to sparkle these wars about race and about trans and everything else, it just didn't work in places like Wigan. And I'm just so glad that we now have the chance to give voice to that better country that we are and have always been, but that hasn't been reflected by our government.”

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  2. “Yeah, well, thank God for the whole country, I think. I mean, I always felt, and I know you guys have particular views about Boris Johnson, which to be honest, I share, but I always felt that this sort of characterization, that this view that they had of people in towns like Wigan, where I live and represent was just so off the mark. You know, we're a proud, generous town that don't like nastiness. And the idea that you can demonize child migrants and you can, you know, try and spark sort of race divisions and culture divisions, it just doesn't work in a place like Wigana. You know, I remember telling a colleague a few years ago when we've only ever erected two statues in Wigan by public subscription, one to the men, women and children of the mining industry, and the other to Billy Boston, who is one of the greatest”

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  3. “Well, it hasn't. It absolutely hasn't because I've got a great team, Chris Bryant and Steph Peacock, who you'll know very well. And I think it's fair to say when we address the civil service team, Steph hadn't yet been appointed, so Chris and I did it. And I don't think they've ever had Minister of State who has quoted RuPaul in their opening address. But he's definitely at the heart.”

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  4. “Yeah, well, Lisa Dodds will be very good. She's an economist, which really matters with the sort of climate poverty and debt agenda that we've got to crack. But yeah, and I said to Rachel, I'm now the, oh, sorry, I said to the Chancellor, I'm now the Minister for Fun. And she said to me, unfortunately, due to budgetary constraints, fun has been cancelled.”

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  5. “Now you're giving me a complex. What if I get a call saying, oh, sorry, actually. But yeah, so you come out, you go into this holding room. It's all, you know, you're there with your colleagues and, you know, you're all very sort of. I think they were particularly chuff for me because, you know, I'd been given this, they call it a promotion. I have to say I love the development brief so much.”

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  6. “It really reminds me of a story that I don't know if you remember Ivan Lewis, the MP for Berry South, but he told me this story once about how he had had a call saying he was going to be the policing minister. This is probably you're doing, actually, Alison. And he said, he waited and waited by his phone and the appointments were made. And then somebody was appointed policing minister and it wasn't him. And then it ended and he was just still there waiting for the call. And it turned out that I think the way you guys used to do it, maybe we still do, is magnets with people's names attached on a giant board. And his magnet had fallen off the board. And they found him behind the filing cabinet about three months later. And bang goes your political career. I mean, it's, you know, it is, it can be that brutal, I think. It's not as bad.”

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  7. “I'm trying not to be too party political, but I think they're all a bit surprised that most of us don't have any. It was quite short. No, I'm sure you didn't, Rory. Sorry, I'm not meaning aspersions, but they're used to having to go through very long lists of interests. And I just said, well, I've got a bit of credit card debt. And that's about it, which Johnny Reynolds keeps telling me to sort out. So I came out of that room and you go into a sort of holding room where they're waiting. The king apparently has to approve the appointments. I can't actually believe I'm saying this out loud, to be honest. It's all very surreal.”

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  8. “So I came out of the room after he appointed me, and some of his staffers were there and gave me a hug. You go into a room and they go through the Declaration of Ministerial Interest. And I think.”

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  9. “So, this was, I guess it was about three o'clock because I was sort of, you know, I was still zipping myself up as I ran. But yes, I think it was about three.”

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  10. “You asked me, does he tell you what you should do with a brief? He doesn't. He appoints what he believes are the best people to the job without fear or favour. You know, some of his closest friends haven't made the cut. But he appoints what he thinks are the best people to do the job and he trusts you to get on with it. And he follows your progress and he engages with it. But what he expects from you is challenge. And that's why we're all smiling so much because he wants people in the room who will challenge him and will help him to get the right decisions. And that really gives us the opportunity not to be something, but to do something.”

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  11. “Unleashed absolute hell for both Israelis and Palestinians. And as somebody who had been chair of Labour Friends of Palestine but had won the nomination of the Jewish Labour Movement during the leadership campaign and spoken out about anti-Semitism, I suddenly found that I was in a position to really be able to help the team. And Kieran I have sat in meetings daily over the last 10 months about Israel. How does that team day-to-day management? John Healy, David Lamy, Yvette Cooper, Kia, and some of his senior staff, we would meet daily to discuss how we ought to respond. And I think one of the reasons that you can basically see the smiles on the faces of the cabinet from space at the moment is not because we've been appointed to these positions. You know, we're talking to West Street about this the other day. We didn't come into politics to be something. It's because we've got the opportunity to do something. And a lot of that is to do with the way that care leads.”

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  12. “Yeah, of course. I mean, so do I, and that's one of the reasons I'm so excited to have the brief. But, you know, Russia, China, Israel, Palestine, we were in a real mess and we were sort of nowhere on the relationship with Europe, who are closest friends and neighbours. So he asked me to come in and do that. He asked me to do leveling up because we really, Michael Gover just been appointed, we really needed to have an alternative to the government and to be able to take on their agenda. And he asked me to do development because we'd done a lot of great thinking. My predecessor, Preet Gill, had done some great work, but we needed to take some decisions very, very quickly. And we hadn't been able to do that. Development was a huge legacy for the last Labour government, and it will be for ours as well. And so every time he's asked me to do a job, he's always had a reason for it. He's always been respectful. And I think the thing that's been really important for me and him personally over the last 10 months is that obviously this horrendous thing happened on the 7th of October, which”

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  13. “It was an absolute privilege to be able to come in to sort out some of the mess that the last administration had left over Russia.”

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  14. “So he's asked me to do three different jobs, four now, actually. So Shadow Foreign Secretary, Shadow levelling up Shadow development minister, and then thank God no shadow anymore. This is going to take a bit of getting used to culture secretary. And I've never asked for any of those jobs. And I don't really see it as my job to go and pitch and lobby for the job. I've taken them all and I've done my best with them. I think I've done a pretty good job. Every time he's appointed me to the post, he's always had a reason. So he asked me to do foreign in particular because I'd done a lot. during the leadership campaign about Britain's role in the world, particularly, and I hesitate to mention the B word because it'll set you off, Alistair. But, you know, post-Brexit, we had to work out who this country is and where we're going in the world.”

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  15. “So, the first thing he gave me was a big hug, which was, you know, people often say that he's not, you know, they don't know how to connect to him, although I think that's starting to change. But, you know, privately, you'll both know this, but he is very warm and he is very funny. And he gave me a huge hug and said, you know, I really want you to walk into this government, the fourth ever government in Labour history with your own department, your own team. I know you love the development brief, but I'm asking you to move because I need you to make an impact and have a legacy. We need to have a legacy in this. So I want you to do culture media and sport. And I wish that I'd said something very profound at that moment because I feel like I just went, oh yeah, thanks. And then sort of thought back on all those great exchanges between great states people in that room and thought that wasn't it, was it?”

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  16. “To win an election from opposition, and we've got a big challenge ahead of us, and there's a lot riding on it for people in this country. So I think that feeling of being public servants with a big sense of responsibility, that is really the vibe. It's not, you know, we weren't running around Downing Street sort of measuring the curtains and punching the air.”

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  17. “So he was in the cabinet room, which is in itself just quite extraordinary. I've been an MP for 14 years and I think the closest I've ever got to Downing Street is going and standing outside with a petition. So it was to walk in and say hello Prime Minister. I said to him, how does that sound? And he said adrenaline and coffee is getting me through quite a lot at the moment. I mean, it's just, you know, for all of us, it feels utterly surreal. But it also, you know, we are related. We're absolutely elated because we have the chance to fix things and change things for people finally after all this time. But there is a really heavy sense of responsibility on all of us. You could feel it. At the first cabinet meeting, you know, with a first inner generation, the fourth ever Labour government in history.”

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  18. “Yeah, and you know, I definitely, you know, obviously very sad to lose Thangham, very excited about development and then suddenly realizing I wasn't going to do it. But I honestly can't tell you how thrilled I was. I had a hint that I might be moving to a domestic brief beforehand. And when I found out it was culture media and sport, I just, I don't know. I don't know even how to describe the feeling, to be honest.”

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  19. “We have that completely mad Zoom call where you were picking up your kids from school whilst explaining to me how to run development and solve global poverty.”

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  20. “I had a bit of an inkling, and I didn't know, but I knew from the access talks that I would potentially be appointed to the development.”

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  21. “And I managed to make it fully clothed to Downing Street. So actually, I think I had a slightly different experience from all the other members of the newly appointed cabinet because while they strolled down there feeling very apprehensive about what they were about to be appointed to, I was just utterly relieved to be fully closed.”

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  22. “Hot footed it out the room, changed into my dress, got stuck in my dress, the zip then broke. So I was stuck with the zip at the top, but it had unfolded all the way down the back. And so my poor old lovely political advisor, and Lord Jack McConnell, had to cut me out of my dress with a pair of scissors while my phone rang from the Downing Street switchboard to tell me that I needed to be there in the next 10 minutes. So there was a moment where we briefly considered me just putting my coat over this broken outfit and just running down Downing Street. But luckily a great friend of mine ran over with a spare suit.”

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  23. “Yeah, so I came down to London on the train. I hadn't been to sleep. It all felt very surreal. And because MPs, there were no MPs until you're sworn in. I couldn't get into my office in Parliament. So my great friend Jack McConnell, Lord Jack McConnell, who was the first Minister of Scotland last time Labour was in power, lent me his office so that I could have somewhere to hang out. And I was in there with my political advisor and with Jack and we were chatting, watching the news unfold, seeing some of the first appointments being made. We then realised that they were being made very, very fast. It was an incredibly efficient operation. I don't think anyone expected it. And so my political advisor said to me, you need to get changed. I was in my jogging buttons and a hoodie. And he said, you can't walk up down. This isn't like in opposition where you just get a phone call. You're going to have to go and walk up past the cameras.”

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  24. “No, so I think I'm where Alistair is actually. I couldn't make myself believe it. We've had so many elections over the last 19 years and we've lost every single one of them. And it's just so hard to believe that it's possible. I think I said a few years ago that part of the problem with being in opposition for a long time is that you really do lose that sense of confidence. I think the flip side is now true that we've got to remember that we're here because we won the trust of a lot of people to govern, but you can lose that trust. And we've got to remember that people's votes are not given. They lend us their votes in elections, but they can take them away as well. And certainly that was the tone of the first cabinet meeting.”

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  25. “Not in Wigam, but we definitely had that in lots of parts of the country and people will have seen the way that people like Shabanamood and Nash Shah and Jess Phillips and others what they've had to deal with. So it's been a very, very toxic election campaign. And we got to the end of that. And obviously we won, which was amazing, but we also lost some very good colleagues. You mentioned Thangam Debonair, who is just a wonderful colleague and a real loss to us, Jonathan Ashworth, Kate Hallern. There were a number of people who just didn't make it across the line. So it was an amazing moment, but it was also, there was some mixed feelings about certainly where we are as a country and what our politics says about where we are as a country.”

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  26. “For quite a while, but I mean, I've never seen the far right as resurgent as this since I was a child. And it's really quite frightening to witness.”

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  27. “So I won by a decent margin, but we obviously it's been a horrible election campaign. We've had the rise of some pretty nasty independents, we've had the reform surge, I've been dealing with the far right in my own constituency.”

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  28. “Goodness me. So there is a story here. I'm not at all convinced I should be telling either of you, but Rory's nodding vigorously. So I had an inkling that I was going to get a phone call. I've been told to be in London on the Friday. I had been told that there may be a call sometime around.”

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  29. “But there's some serious work to do there as well because I've got to make sure that we're talking to UEFA, we're talking to all our partners, talking to the FA and we really deliver for people here”

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  30. “And Northern Ireland as well, it's really, really important to us that it does. And so I've got the very, very hard task of having to go off straight after this and fly to Germany for the Euro semi-final. And Keir said we have to be a government service and sadly for me that means I have to go and serve at the football.”

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  31. “I think those two words Labour government will never get old. It's so brilliant to be here, but it's mostly brilliant because for 14 years I've been going round and round in circles in the House of Commons losing votes and losing arguments. And a couple of days ago I opened that great big red folder and saw the words for decision and thought my God, we can change people's lives. So we've got some decisions to make about the Euros 2028. We've got to make sure that we crack on and ensure that it delivers for every single part of the United Kingdom.”

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