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  1. Yeah, so when you have old Cement or concrete floor. A lot of times when you remove a wall, you'll have a hole in the floor. So what we would do is we'd take a concrete mixed with rock and fill it in and then sand it so there was, instead of trying to fit in with the existing floor, you could actually see the remains of the.

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  2. In different ways. So we needed something where we could use something repeatedly throughout. And we ended up using some pine, lob lolly pine, which is a local-ish material from East Texas. And sort of a judd-like way, judd being the morphominalist, although I know he would hate the word minimalist, which I think Judd is very informed by Schindler. And I don't know if you know Schindler. Schindler is an architect from the twenties that was working in the LA area. Very influential and with a very simplicity. And so the San Jose has concrete floors where we took out walls. We put in an aggregate so you could see where the walls used to be.

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  3. The language of a place and repeat it and repeat it and repeat it, it may be so subtle that people don't really notice. But I think if you give people, all of our own lives are so cluttered in so many ways. But if you strip away everything to a certain degree and let the people be the color in the room, it's infinitely more interesting. I think people feel better about everything that way as well. You know, when the San Jose was the first hotel I did, and I kind of think of it as Mexico meets Japan. For you guys who don't know, we did a real sort of minimalist job on the place. At the time, we just developed a furniture system that would work in the rooms because all the rooms were very different over the years. They've been cut up.

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  4. Explain what that means. It was my brother Lyndon. Some of the best advice ever. I think that, you know, you look in hotels at any point, I mean, particularly last 20, 30 years, I look at someplace and I'm not given a bad shout out, but the aloft or something or the indigo. And they think design is fun and whimsical and it is, but oh my God, how do you sleep in a place? How do you walk through the hallway? You're just assaulted by so many different patterns and so many different what people think is like cool or hip or now. And it's just like a constant onslaught. And to me, the best hotels or the best places are places that are more calming. And so doing things through massing or through a pattern where you take

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  5. Somewhere, or drinking a bottle of whiskey, the stones at Nelcott, just that there's something so awesome about where elegance kind of meets rock and roll. And so there was this Victorian, and it felt like that I'd seen a photograph of like maybe it was somewhere in full-on 1970s awesome clothing, and there was a chauffeur washing of Bentley in the background kind of thing. So this place where those things met immediately became the St. Cecilia to me. St. Cecilia was a patron saint of music and poetry. And so if you ask Quer Nakchampa comes from, it's like that smell of noctampa is the hippie smell of that time. And putting it in a place as elegant as the Saint Cecilia. Makes perfect sense to me.

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  6. A skeleton, a story that everything is hung upon or proceeds from. And so my business part at the time, we were looking at the came up for sale. It wasn't the St. Celia, it was just an old Victorian on an acre of land near downtown Austin. And he's like, what's the story here? It's like you had to describe this to somebody. And for me, I mean, it was I always loved that whole period of rock and roll that was about going to really nice hotels and the super decadence, not the throwing the TV out the window, but the great silver, slightly tarnished in the white tablecloth from room service and the contrast of Dylan taking.

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  7. I bet it's only 14 rooms, but the main part of the St. Cecilia is an old Victorian that was built in the 1890s, and then it has some bungalows that are scattered around about an acre half of land. And in order for us to do a hotel, for me, there has to be

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  8. You know, for, I think for us at Bunkhouse, part of it is a whole experience. Like being at a hotel should be. And you think of some of your favorite hotels, it's not that you liked the bedspread, or it was close to the highway. You might have liked both those things. But I think probably the places you like the most are the most immersive. I think of it as storytelling in a way. So every hotel that we do has everything from a soundtrack to oftentimes a color or a color scheme that repeats throughout a smell, an incense usually. Like at the St. Cecilia, we put Nagchampa, big sticks of Nagchampa in the garden so as you're walking through the courtyard. It's really subtle, but it's something that strikes your senses and it will remind you of the Saints.

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  9. And so we got some yarts eventually. We got tepees. We have safari tents. And it became this grand experiment to see how we would use the land. So all of these, all of the rooms were movable. And so we kind of lived our way into it. That comes back to Christopher Alexander in a pattern language. It was really starting to have music festivals and parties there and people living out there to determine what did the place need and how would people use it.

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  10. I don't even know what the walls of interior and airstream are, but trailers of that vintage have these beautiful wooden interiors. You felt like you were in the belly of a ship or in a ship's cabin. We finished them with a yacht varnish at the time. And so it was like we put the first few trailers out there. It was like ships on the desert. And I just fell in love with the whole notion of these kind of nomadic ways of

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  11. I didn't know exactly what I was going to do again at the time, but realized that old trailers, vintage trailers were a great way to get started putting hotels rooms up quickly. And so I bought a few trailers and we redid them. And I started falling in love with trailers of that, of the 50s, sixties time period, because those old Spartans and vagabonds and things like that are made with this beautiful birch interior. It was before they were making airstreams with

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  12. Mecca for a lot of folks. So you have this crazy mix of artists and creative people and ranchers and people that work on the land. In this beautiful place, for those of you guys who are from overseas might think of it as the myth of the American West. When you see giant or you've seen movies, the landscape we're talking about looks a lot like that, just stretching on forever, in distant clouds. So El Cosmico, I bought this pasture basically that was on the edge of town, and I wanted to build a hotel or a lodging experience of some sort there. And I realized that it needed to be indoors and outdoors because that's one of the reasons you go out there.

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  13. Okay, so I digress. There's 21 acres. We're right on the edge of Marfa. It's a town of about 2,400 people. And I had done a small motel in Marfa and called the Thunderbird and walked away from it. It was a bad partnership. It wasn't going anywhere. But I did know that I was interested in Marfa as a community. Marfa as a community, again, my family ranch is in the region. I'd move back from New York. I'd really wanted to spend more time in Far West Texas. Marfa was a little bit on fire. If you could say that for a community of 2,400 people, because Donald Judd, who is one of the 20th century's most renowned sculptors, had made a home in Marfa and it had become an art.

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  14. Yeah, I mean, it's incredible. You can see the Milky Way, which when I was growing up, you could regularly see the Milky Way and how often do you see it now in places that aren't like Marfaux or like Baja, California? Or there's too much light pollution. We just don't see that anymore. And you forget what an amazing feeling that is in the order of things to see another galaxy.

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  15. It is. Marfa is one of the darkest places. It is also about a mile high, about as high as Denver. And it is more clear nights and clear days than your average place. And it's one of the, there's no real. There's very little light because it's such a sparse area of the country. Yeah, so if you think about it, there's two main counties out in far west Texas, Brewster and Presidio. There's something like you can fit like 17 Rhode Islands into one of those counties. And I forget what the number is, but the per capita, the acreage per capita per person, that's redundant, but is enormous. Like you have, every person has something like four square miles. It's just like sparsely populated. Not a lot of cloud cover and not a lot of light pollution.

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  16. When you I don't mean to interrupt, but no, that's quite a ride. El Cosmico is now 21 acres in far west Texas, which in the city of Marfa, town of Marfa.

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  17. What would you say it is, designer of software, is ideas about patterns. And so patterns are Thing that happens over and over again, you see in the natural order of things. So if you're talking about an Italian plaza where the umbrellas are, think of in your head how many times you've seen that. Well, there's a reason. People on the ground design that themselves because that's where human activity went to. When we were doing El Cosmico, which is. You described it.

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  18. Right. Well, okay, so I don't think that the book actually is. I think you're reading it in the right way, meaning you should not sit down and read that book from cover to cover. Oh my God. I mean, it really is something that he became, and he's still around today, but he became software.

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  19. Well, you know, those places that you've been to that buildings you've been in or places you've been in where it just feels right and it feels calming rather than agitating. It feels like you are part of something in a bigger sense. And I think part of that would be today people design things today. This happens all the time that they've never even been to the place where the Tuscan village and the suburbs is going to be put. You know, like his argument is that you look around you and you see how things are built in the place you are. And you look at you don't bring Building materials that would never exist in a place, you look at the ways of doing things that have been done for a long time, and that way you become the fabric of the place itself.

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  20. Yeah. And he wrote a pattern language which was basically his idea was looking at all the old villages and towns and communities throughout the world that have been there for centuries. And his point was that people figure out how to build intuitively more so than current at the time and probably today current architects today who are responding to how a thing looks rather than how it functions. And his argument is or his thesis is that we know intuitively where to put a fireplace or a hallway or a hub and spoke model in a small community because it's those ways of building that make a place feel more whole and more complete. Makes you as a person feel more whole and complete. He calls it, I think he calls it the quality without a name.

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  21. Those on audio can't see it What I was doing intuitively was a lot of what, for those of you who don't know, Chris for Alexander is a writer and a thinker about architecture and about how we build. And more than that, but for me, he wrote a book called The Timeless Way of Building.

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  22. So, not to interrupt, but no, when you think of a pattern language and you think of Christopher Alexander, what I was doing intuitively.

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  23. And the neighborhood was starting to change, and people were starting to buy homes downtown again, or in Travis Sites. We also started a coffee shop that opened, my brother and I did months before the San Jose opened. And that, again, was a need of the community.

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  24. So, what do musicians need? Because at the time, musicians were some of our most frequent guests when we were 30 bucks a night because, you know, they were coming through town in a van and they were looking for a cheap hotel. And a lot of times they might be wasted enough that they didn't notice how bad the bed was with carpet or anything else. And we also have people that were spilling out of the Continental Club sometimes late at night.

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  25. And so I wanted to look around and look at the hotels that are most interesting to me are part of a neighborhood or part of a community. There's places when I was growing up, my granddad, who was a rancher, didn't have an office, so he would go to the local hotel and sit in the lobby and do business deals and get his shoe boots shined, get his haircut. You could do that in the lobby of a hotel. It was a place where people met, and whether you were from out of town or you were a local. Oftentimes, you know, like a real cornerstone of the community or real important place to meet for the community. So those were the kinds of things that interested me the most. So one of the first things I asked is how do we serve this neighborhood and South Austin? Obviously, the first things when we were directly across the street from the

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  26. Inexpensive at the end of the day. So it was low risk. I mean, and I was on the front lines, I'm sure, again, I had a personal guarantee and I was there every day working like crazy in Lake Flato, the architecture firm that I've worked with. Repeatedly since they were also there every day. So again, the question was. Are there things that I did then that I would never do again? And then are there things that I did then that became part of my palette? Yes, in looking back on it, I think what I did intuitively there is something that we do as an organization on a regular basis now, whenever we're looking at a hotel. And that is to say that I was interested in what the neighborhood wanted and needed in something. The place had been there since the 30s, the South Ocean.

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  27. From the land, all the soft costs, all the hard costs, all the working capital, everything you have in it to get the doors open, all the furnitures, fixtures, equipment, put that in a bucket and then divide it by the number of rooms. That gives you the price per key of what the hotel cost, if that makes sense. So we were into the San Jose at the day we opened the doors for $100,000 per key, which is super. Inexpensive.

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  28. Yes and to both. I mean, there are ways that it was extremely inefficient. Nobody would ever let me do what I did then now. But I was learning on the job. It was also really low risk. I mean, when you think about it, we look in the hotel business, you look at the price you pay per key when you talk about selling or buying a hotel per key. Yeah, per key. Per key. Per key per room. Per room. So the general notion is when you're talking about what a hotel is selling for, what you're into it for, what you can develop it for, whether it's a good deal, you take the total price of the project.

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  29. Even in hindsight, I don't know, but I felt compelled in some way. Again, I'm really dogged and really, you know, I'm going to follow it down once I decided that it's what I wanted to do. But I got to say, there were nights, I don't know why is it always nights that I laid awake and really thought about selling the San Jose. Probably two or three times I got really serious about it. I thought there's no way I'm ever going to be able to do this. It's too hard. And I just somehow powered through.

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  30. In the beginning, and then at some point, I realized I had to go work behind the front desk, and I quit my lodge on. Which was crazy too. You know, I have to give it, you know, my mother's been gone for about five years now, but I can't believe that they didn't think that was the craziest. I was going to say I'd ever done. I mean, like making no money. My father would have pointed out that it was just at the point I became a really good trial lawyer that I just jumped ship, you know, which I guess, you know, I don't know

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  31. He totally didn't believe. But I don't know how, you know, I'm tenacious. I don't know how I finally convinced the bank. Again, they did take a leap. I'm sure there was some kind of personal guarantee that I didn't even know what a personal guarantee was at the time. I'm like, sure, take it. Take my blood. I mean, at that point, I thought about selling the San Jose. I probably took two years to really close, about at 95 we closed in 97 to December of 97 to start renovation. So it had taken all that time. I quit my law job just to go try to find money to do some kind of renovation. And in the meantime, we decided to

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  32. Yeah, totally. Just in case. Let me get these into circulation. Exactly. Again, I didn't know what I was doing, right? So it was just who knew who. And she brought it home and wanted to invest. And he still has the copy of it because when it showed that we would get 110 dollars a night in year three or so, he wrote in the margin of the pro forma no way

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  33. I mean, I also applied for an SBA loan and I finally got it was partially funded by the SBA. So that was great. I have a business partner now that I'm still in business with who is a great guy and had a lot of experience in business. His wife had brought him the pro forma.

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  34. So it took a local bank at the end of the day, a guy named Eddie Saffody, who was at, it's now Prosperity Bank, but it was Liberty at the time, basically to underwrite it. But it also was remarkably inexpensive the work we did in the bigger picture is something that we would never get away with now. But I was there all day every day. It was a really lucky to have Lake Flado, the architecture firm out of San Antonio, now also out of Austin, to be my partners and believe in the project as well.

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  35. So banks Yeah, people were intrigued though. So I could get, you know, remember, I was a lawyer. And so I was really selling it. And there was a change afoot in Austin. You could fill it in the air. People were starting to return to that neighborhood. It was a time that it was in the mid 90s and there was starting to be some urban infill downtown. And so I was right on the edge of that being not completely implausible. But it didn't help that I had absolutely zero experience running a business. I mean, that's what really got the banks. They're like, what? I'm like, no, I can do it, I promise. If you look at my posts,

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  36. I didn't read the financial statement. I didn't know what all those small numbers meant. And suddenly it became really important that I learned that skill. And so I went and audited some classes at the business school at University of Texas, has a great business school. And I took some management in the service industry classes and tried to finally work my way through how to do a business flame. And it was so hard. You know, we do them all the time now and we do studies and we do market studies. It's a skill that I rely on as we look at different hotels and different markets now. We do it all the time and it was such a foreign language to me. So then I finally got through a business plan and I had to go try to convince some banks that they should loan me a bunch of money to redo this motel in South Congress, which at the time you couldn't convince a lot of locals to even set foot on South Congress at night much less spend the night down there.

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  37. Like the TV is destroyed. You know, and it's one of those things it is if you clean something up, people are much more like, if you respect people, people are much more likely to respect a place or a thing or a person. The people that were living there, I mean, it was, you know, the mattress was bedstrings that were cutting you at night sometimes. So it wasn't like, of course you were going to throw a TV out the window. It was a cycle that was that I realized now I had this place, now I was trying to keep it afloat. I had to have a plan and my plan at 24 rooms with not much money wasn't going to work. And then I started going to banks to see if I could, you know, I had gotten through school without even taking a math class. And so now suddenly I needed to understand the basics of business or writing a business plan. I couldn't read a sprint.

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  38. Pay 60, 75 bucks on the highway and they wanted something that they can rely on like a motel six. And if I did lure somebody downtown onto South Congress where there were no other hotels They weren't going to want to stay next to the crackhead. Mom and pop in their van didn't want to rent next to somebody with an arrest for murder. I weren't out for murder. So, I mean, it was true. You saw a little bit of the documentary. The police were around. I remember when the police first came, they would drive around to San Jose because there was a big courtyard that was just a parking lot. And when I first got there, I was like, no, no, don't do that. That looks bad for business. And by, you know, it was there a week. And I was like, can you guys come more off? So it started to realize, and I would go and get new things and kind of try to redo the rooms one by one. And I get something new and it would be stolen or I would get, you know, like it just wasn't going to work room by room. I finally realized.

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  39. And at one time, it was the main avenue that went all the way to San Antonio, probably 60 miles to the south. And so it was a major thoroughfare. So there were a lot of old buildings and businesses historic and otherwise along the way. So I thought that I would just redo this 24-room hotel motel. I didn't realize was it was $30 a night, that my idea was maybe it could be $75 and we could just redo it room by room and then it would be this amazing place close to downtown. I had lots of friends that would, you know, from musicians to creative people to people that were going to visit their friends in the neighborhood that would stay there. I realized it was a marketing nightmare that most people that were going to

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  40. Interesting. Well, so at the time, I thought that I was going to take the San Jose, which was a 24-room motor court built in the 30s down in South Congress, an area of town that was, it was still pretty abandoned. It was one of those places that not unusual at the time that there were urban cores, that when highways had come in, it had redirected traffic, and those small kind of mom and pop stores and urban downtowns were bypassed. But obviously there was a lot of interesting architecture still, or buildings that were, because they were older, and built at a time where they were on a really important avenue. So Congress, for those of you guys who don't know, is a main thoroughfare in Austin that leads directly to the state capital.

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  41. But a couple things happened. A friend of mine died of AIDS-related causes, and that was a real jolt to the system. It was one of those moments where it was, I felt, you better do what you want to do and not what you're supposed to do. Or this is your one life and your one chance. And so I think that probably happens for a lot of people. You face mortality up close for the first time, and that's either you just kind of push it away or if you really invite it in and grapple with it, I think it's a life-changing thing. It's so it was for me. It made me, I always wondered about the San Jose down on South Congress, and I would look at it and kind of dream about it a little bit. But that was the thing that got me out of the chair and across the street and knocked out. on the door to find out if they never sell it.

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  42. Be careful about that Yeah, you done with that to happen to you. So I came back here and worked at the Attorney General's office, and that was a little bit different. I was traveling all over Texas trying cases. And it wasn't as fascinating to me. But I still like being a lawyer.

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  43. So, why stop? Well, there were a couple of jumps between there, but I stopped at the days, you had a three-year commitment, and so I stopped about three and a half years in. Right before you go on the homicide chart, I think in year four, I came back to Texas. I think if you stay in New York too long, you become a New Yorker. Yeah.

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  44. But yeah. So that was, you know, there were a lot of things that I, you know, you could talk for hours about that and, you know, what I learned.

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  45. Plenty of queers there. Openly. Yeah, openly. And so the first year that I was there, we actually marched in the Manhattan Gay Pride Parade, like right behind the police department and in front of the fire department. And my girlfriend at the time was, she worked at the minority task force on AIDS. So of course she was like marching with the House of Africa. And they were like having a blast. And I was there with the DA's office and the police and the fire department. I'd be like, come march with us. And she's like, no. Hell no, that was always fun over here.

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  46. Yeah, and in alignment with police, and you've got to fight the good fight, you've got to be the person that is on the side of justice in the way of making sure that the constitutional principles are upheld and you're down in the trenches with folks that often are sometimes wrongly accused. So it tends to separate out that way. But at the time, I really thought when I was in law school and thinking about going to a DA's office, that it made sense to go to the place that had the power in the prosecutor's office is the place where you can choose to bring a case or not, right? I was also the first openly gay person hired at Manhattan DA's office. No kidding in 1991, yeah. Wow. Crazy. 91.

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  47. Well, because why is that the case? Why do people with more liberal politics go to the public defender's office? I think that the DA's office is often seen to be in alignment with the picture.

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  48. To do justice or to do the right thing. And that's an amazingly powerful thing. You know, a lot of people with my politics would have probably gone to the public defender's office

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  49. You know, I actually really like the Diaz office. I liked criminal law a lot. There's a line in a Carolyn Four Shay poem where she says there's nothing no man won't do to another. And that's fascinating to me. Like why we do what we do and why does our criminal justice system do what it does and respond to the human condition the way it does? And what are our rules and laws? I found that fascinating. And I also like trial work. I like talking to a jury. I like the whole, not just pageant of it, but the actual truth-finding mission. I liked being a lawyer where a lot of people think that the DA's office, their whole purpose is to get a conviction or be an arm of the police in one way or the other. And it's not. It's really...

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  50. He was in design, I should say. And so it's a world that I was always fascinated by. And there was really not this clear path. And I've also always been, I've always loved hotels.

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