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Loch Kelly

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  1. “Dialogue with it and let it know that literally the ego or these ego managers that are kind of this round table of this committee usually rather than one will go like oh good we can take a vacation or we can be part of the team oh good we don't have to like be anxious and feel worthless and not feel like we can't do everything perfectly no, you don't you never did and then there's this kind of dimension of being that becomes primary that can be with Your whole personality in a way that's so freeing and loving and optimally. So it's not, it doesn't lead you to join a monastery or sit on a couch. It actually brings forth this creativity and joy and interest.”

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  2. “Can be seen. So what was the observer becomes observed and then can be dialogued with or seen as one perspective? So the ego is a function of the human psyche, consciousness, and the key is it's not the center. It's one of the organizing principles of your body, kind of like your blood system is organizing of your body. It's not the driver of the car and it doesn't need to be the driver. And once you kind of”

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  3. “That first step is kind of basic mindfulness, and then the next step is this spacious and pervasive, open-hearted awareness from effortless mindfulness. And then you realize, well, what has been called ego doesn't need to be killed or fought or gotten rid of or it's not who the little ego doesn't grow up to be the awakened sense of self either. So it's a kind of a personality part, a functional part that has an opinion, and usually it forms around thoughts, feelings, sensations, and views. So by stepping out, you can also see that many people are caught in this kind of like.”

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  4. “Know is one of them your ego, or are they two parts of this kind of managing system or identified? So in terms of psychology, many of the current psychological psychotherapy healing models that seem to work are these parts-based systems. So rather than saying you're just you need to get yourself together and become strong and healthy and competent, you realize, oh, there's parts of me. There's a sad part, there's an angry part, there's a hurt part, there's a judging part, there's a, and then the key is who's aware of those parts.”

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  5. “Yeah, so again, here we go with these. Multi defined terms, right? From 15 wise traditions and people. Ego is this, ego is that, small self is this, self is this. So it's a fascinating play. And where I am now is that ego is kind of a function and kind of managing parts of us. So there isn't one ego. There's a number of these parts of us like if you were To have one party say, Well, I'm going to do it this way, and then another part of you say, Well, do you sure you have to do it that way?”

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  6. “Preschool to learning to read and write. So just takes a little small glimpse as many times and then you develop and all of a sudden you can read. You just pick up a book and you can read. You just walk out the door and you're living from this open-hearted awake consciousness and you're responding rather than reacting.”

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  7. “Freedom, and I'm like, how long did that take? You know, and what is it you've been looking for in your life the whole time? And could it really be like this far away? So then the practices are these glimpses. So, you know, it's not instant enlightenment, but it's not long periods of sitting still that actually because of the flow kind of research and consciousness, it's just as easy with these glimpses to do them with your eyes open moving as it is with your eyes closed sitting. And you could start either one, but you can begin to familiarize yourself with this installed operating system. And then like a developmental stage, it just takes like, you know, like a developmental stage from”

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  8. “Those if we're operating from kind of an ego center, emotions are bigger. Than the egocenter. So it's really upgrading. The operating system from a small sense of self to this transitional selflessness or no self, but then the key is in this particular method is not just deconstructing and waiting after you let go of or realize there isn't a self in the middle of your head that's you but literally letting the awareness discover and already awake consciousness that's installed, that's able to relieve suffering, and it also has kind of embodied positive qualities that people will report like if I just walk into a room and say, okay, check this out and I just start with a glimpse. Okay, do that, you know, just try this, try that, try this. What's here? People go, love, peace. Relief, joy.”

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  9. “So, I mean, the amazing thing is, you know, the history of this is this is perhaps the most valued developmental stage of human beings throughout history and throughout cultures, you know, what's called awakening or enlightenment or a sense of being able to be fully human and particularly to relieve suffering. So that's the first half of it is this access to this greater capacity, this felt sense, open mind, open heart, dimension, that's awareness spaced and embodied has the capacity and the space to be with and to see thoughts, feelings, sensations, and parts of us that are anxious, sad. So we end up feeling Know I am. Sad, or I am angry, and then you step into this and you realize, oh, there's a part of me that's sad. Oh, there's a part of me that's angry, who's aware of those two parts? And then you realize the parts are smaller.”

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  10. “Organizing around thinking parts and judging parts and emotional parts that are in like a little cloud of our mind. And if we just literally, this is kind of one of the pointers and actually a little experience that you can have. If you feel like you're trying to figure out your life in this cloud, either of your head or your body. And then you just shift out of that cloud and become aware of the sky or the space. And then you just curiously wonder whether you're aware from that open mind and that open heart and then feel like you include what's in the cloud so you're spacious and pervasive in a way that's calm and alert. Then there's this possibility to begin to optimally function from there.”

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  11. “I mean, that's my question. So it's a great question. I heard these different answers. No, oh, you have to go through. If you go to any of the religious institutions that teach us, no, you have to do it my way is usually the response, like Zen or Tibetan Buddhism or Theravada insight meditation. Well, you have to go through training or join a monastery or become an Olympic athlete of meditation or spend 30,000 hours. And yet there's always these what called direct path traditions that say this consciousness, this awareness-based flow is already installed and it's available to each of us as each of us and we just, it's like a figure ground shift. So there's like it's in the background, in the foreground is.”

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  12. “You feel selfless, a kind of sense of joy or well-being or ecstasy, your implicit memory is your thinking so you know how to do whatever you're doing and you're just operating from an awake awareness consciousness that's organizing your thought in a way that's effortlessly mindful.”

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  13. “They talk about flow state. I distinguish two kinds of flow state one's an absorbed flow state where you're so interested in an activity and you're focused one pointed attention and you're kind of go into it and then time you look up and an hour's gone by. So you kind of enter that world and everything else is gone and they call that a flow state, but that's not as interesting to me as what I call a panoramic flow state, which is when similar to that initial exercise of opening your awareness around and feeling embodied, you're in the world connected to everybody and everything. You're aware of being able to do kind of optimal functioning of complex tasks without thinking about thinking. And then you feel in the natural”

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  14. “Way that musicians, athletes, people at work, scientists operate, but they only can find it during the activity they're good at.”

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  15. “From not a thinker, it's conscious from what I eventually call awake awareness, which is kind of a pure contentless, timeless awareness that then as that awareness comes into relationship, almost like the quantum field arising as waves and particles, it arrives into hearing consciousness and thinking consciousness as aspects of it or kind of like an ocean of awareness arising as experience. And then you can get caught back in a thinker or a judger or a sad part of you that you then identify with and take to be you, but the usefulness of Separating out awareness that's alert and clear and not orienting consciously to thought. and then opening it up is what happens to people naturally when they're in a flow state, which is kind of the optimally functioning.”

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  16. “Yes, and so that really challenges what we've taken for granted. I think, therefore, I am. So here's the am, the awareness that is watching thought come and go and is actually, as we start looking at that awareness, that's where effortless mindfulness starts. So in deliberate mindfulness or traditional mindfulness, you step up and look at the contents, oh, I'm not my thoughts. And then in effortless mindfulness, which is kind of the next stage, which is what I share with people, say now let's look back at what's aware. Where is it aware from who's aware? And then you realize there's an alert awareness that's not made of thought looking to thought that's aware of thought. It's a kind of a contentless awareness. It's conscious, meaning using the word conscious to mean it is alert and conscious of the room and conscious of, but it's...”

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  17. “And then move to step up to mindful awareness, which is kind of the ability to not look from thought, but look at thought. And the great revelation of the first kind of insight of mindfulness is, oh, I'm not my thoughts. Oh, my thoughts, even when they start with, I am thinking this thought are coming and going and there's some awareness that's observing it.”

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  18. “Yeah, so I'll play with, you know, again, it's almost like there's these words that are used in common culture, and then they're used in psychology, academic psychology, then they're used in psychotherapy, then they're the translators from Tibetan Buddhism or Pali Buddhism translate words and start using similar words. So it's quite a bit of a variety and I've kind of taken them and defined them in a way that's about usefulness or sometimes I call it the power of how do I do this. So I would start with a definition of kind of different types of awareness And start with what we know as attention. So attention is like a one pointed attention using your frontal lobe of your brain, bring your attention to your breath.”

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  19. “That's similar, they've got that, but they're how do they get from here to there? And so it's kind of almost like this scientific approach or curiosity, but always like then learning how do you do it? How do you do that? And so I, you know, just continued Through college and then in graduate school, I actually went and studied psychology and spirituality and did two master's degrees and went over to Sri Lanka Indian Nepal and met some of these teachers. And would put my hand up and ask these questions that they'd look at me like, you can't ask that question. It's like, how do you do this? What is this? How is it different than this? And so it just started to become. Going more into depth through practicing and doing it experientially”

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  20. “Some sitting I studied with a guy, a Zen teacher, Philip Kaplu, who wrote the three pillars of Zen. Then I did some TM. And then I kind of started just mixing the principles of meditation with my own consciousness, with psychology, with neuroscience, with, so I never was like a true believer or going into the religious part of it. felt like from the beginning it was this natural part of human experience that was a potential and so I would you know try to find anybody talking about it you know someone like Abraham Maslow was talking about peak experiences and you know different oh that's cool that's that's that's similar but different then I'd always do this kind of”

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  21. “Yeah, so then I would do more reading of different books at that time. There weren't a lot. And that's one of the amazing things today that a lot of these wisdom texts are just in the last really 20 years have become available. And I've continued to kind of update my reading. But then I did.”

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  22. “Because it was like, what are you talking about? I have no idea what you're talking about. And then, but one of the seniors on the team, I was like a sophomore the next week came and just threw me this book, said, here, kid, read this. And it was Zen in the art of archery. I picked it up, so it was kind of a Zen explanation through kind of sport that led to the sense that, you know, you and the target are connected and a little bit how to do it a little differently, but it led me to say, oh my God, there's people who do this and value this and are interested in this. And I think I'm going to check it out. So I started my interest in finding out what this was all about.”

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  23. “And I intentionally did this way of getting into the flow or zone. And then I was felt more capable and more like everything was enjoyable. I was interconnected with everything. Somebody would take a slapshot from the blue line and then all of a sudden I'd see it for the first five yards and then it would get lost in legs and sticks and then my hand would go out and the puck would be in there. And I'd be like, oh, cool. So then the second part of the story is I was telling one of my friends after one of these games, he said, wow, man, that was so cool. He played so great. How did you do it? And I actually just went through what I just explained to you and he kind of looked at me with his jaw dropped and went, oh, cool. And they walked away.”

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  24. “Just sensing or informational. Let me see if I can do that. And I literally started playing with my own consciousness and awareness. And I ended up finding a way to open my awareness around to the sides and my peripheral vision followed. And then I kind of let this awareness move to the sides where sounds coming, going. And then somehow in kind of like, I'm not sure what I'm doing, but the awareness continued around in this kind of 360 degree panoramic feeling that then just dropped me into my body. So I felt kind of spacious and embodied, kind of in this timeless here, almost like a cat. So I said, okay, let me do this when I play sports. And so the next time I went and played goalie, I said, okay, here we go.”

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  25. “This initial experience may help people kind of get on board with a little bit about what this kind of effortless mindfulness is about, which actually isn't traditional mindfulness. It's a little more like what people talk about, flow consciousness or being in the zone. So probably as I look back, one of my first experiences was living outside of New York City and playing a lot of different sports. I was playing ice hockey goalie and I was watching a football game on TV and the announcer said about the quarterback he's got eyes in the back of his head and I thought, oh, I know what that is like it doesn't mean you can actually see back there, but you have this kind of peripheral awareness that isn't just visual.”

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  26. “So I felt kind of spacious and embodied, kind of in this timeless here, almost like a cat. So I said, okay, let me do this when I play sports. And so the next time I went and played goalie, I said, okay, here we go. And I intentionally did this way of getting into the flow or zone. And then I was felt more capable and more like everything was enjoyable. I was interconnected with everything. Somebody would take a slapshot from the blue line. And then all of a sudden, I'd see it for the first five yards and then it would get lost in legs and sticks. And then my hand would go out and the puck would be in there. And I'd be like, oh, cool.”

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