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Marc Andreessen

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“David Friedman says there's only three ways to get somebody to do something for somebody else. Love money and force. Love and money are better.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Satisfaction look, taking care of people is like a wonderful thing. There are pathological forms of taking care of people, but there's also a very fundamental, you know, kind of aspect of taking care of people. Like, for example, I happen to be somebody who believes that capitalism and taking care of people are actually the same thing. Somebody once said capitalism is how you take care of people you don't know. And so, like, yeah, I think it's deeply woven into the whole thing. There's a long conversation to be had about that. But yeah.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't know the answer to that. I think the meaning of the closest I get to it is what I said about satisfaction. So it's basically like, okay, we were given what we have. Like, we should basically do our best.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, yeah. I mean, look, he drives resentment. Like, it's like he is a magnet for resentment. His critics are the most miserable, resentful people in the world. Like, it's almost a perfect match of the most idealized technologist, you know, of the century coupled with just his critics are just bitter as can be. It sorted very darkly comic to watch.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Starting a new car company in the United States of America, the last time somebody really tried to do that was the 1950s, and it was called Tucker Automotive, and it was such a disaster they made a movie about what a disaster it was. And then rockets. Like, who does that? Like, that's, there's obviously no way to start a new rocket company. Like those days are over. And then to do those at the same time. So after he pulled those two off, like. Okay, fine. This is one of my areas of whatever opinions I had about it, it's just like, okay, clearly are not relevant. Like, this is, you just, at some point, you just bet on the person”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He really is ideal that he's only ever talking engineers. Like, he does not tolerate bullshit. He has bullshit tolerance anybody I've ever met. He wants ground truth on every single topic. And he runs his businesses directly day to day devoted to getting to ground truth in every single topic.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so the core of it is he's back to the future. So he is doing the most leading edge things in the world, but with a really deeply old school approach. And so to find comparisons to Elon, you need to go to like Henry Ford and Thomas Watson and Howard Hughes and Andrew Carnegie, right? Leland Stanford, Johnny Rockefeller, right? You need to go to what were called the bourgeois capitalists, like the hardcore business owner operators who basically built industrialized society, vendor built. And it's a level of hands-on commitment and depth in the business, coupled with an absolute priority towards truth and towards, how to put it, science and technology down to first principles. That is just like absolute unbelievable. Absolute.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I think, and I think there, I mean, look, I think Elon is, I don't think I'm even a great example, but I think Elon would be the great example of this, which is like, you know, look, he's a guy who from every day of his life, from the day he started making money at all, he just plows into the next thing. And so I think money is definitely an enabler for satisfaction. Money applied to happiness leads people down very dark paths. Very destructive avenues. Money apply to satisfaction, I think, could be a real tool. I always, by the way, I was like, you know, Elon is the case study for behavior. But the other thing that's always really made me think is Larry Page was asked one time what his approach to philanthropy was. And he said, oh, I'm just my philanthropic plan is just give all the money to Elon.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Anything to do with that? I think the founders, I think the founding fathers in the US threw this off kilter when they used the phrase pursuit of happiness. I think they should have said. They said pursuit of satisfaction, we might live in a better world today.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That I'm fully satisfying my faculties, then I'm fully delivering on the gifts that I've been given that I'm making the world better, that I'm contributing to the people around me, right? And that I can look back and say, wow, that was hard, but it was worth it Think generally seems to leave people in a better state than pursuit of pleasure, pursuit of quote unquote happiness.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, I happen to have whatever twist of personality traits lead that in non destructive dimensions, including the fact that I've actually, I now no longer do the 10-4 plan. I stopped drinking. I do the caffeine, but not the alcohol. So there's something in my personality where whatever maladaption I have is inclining me towards productive things, not unproductive things.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Maybe it's just, and look, I think people are wired differently, so I think it's hard to generalize this kind of thing, but I am much happier and more satisfied when I'm fully committed to something. So I'm very much in favor of imbalance. Yeah.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And there are examples. There's this guy, Judge, what's his name, Posner, who wrote 40 books and was also a great federal judge. Our friend Bology, I think, is like this. He's one of these, you know, where his output is just prodigious. And so it's like, yeah, I mean, with these tools, why not? And I kind of think we're at this interesting kind of freeze frame moment where these tools are not in everybody's hands and everybody's just kind of staring at them trying to figure out what to do. The new tools.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's a great story in Roman history of Pliny the Elder, who was this legendary statesman died in the Vesuvius eruption trying to rescue his friends. But he was famous both for being a basically being a polymath, but also being an author. And he wrote apparently like hundreds of books, most of which have been lost, but he wrote all these encyclopedias. And he literally would be reading and writing all day long no matter what else is going on. And so he would like travel with four slaves. And two of them were responsible for reading to him. And two of them were responsible for taking dictation. And so he'd be going cross-country. And like literally, he would be writing books all the time. And apparently they were spectacular. There's only a few that have survived, but apparently they were amazing.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think it might be distraction. It's so easy to just sit and consume that I think people get distracted from production. But if you wanted to, you know, as a young person, if you wanted to really stand out, you could get on like a hyper-productivity curve very early on.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Getting much more artists, musicians Why aren't musicians producing a thousand times the number of songs? The tools are spectacular”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so the tools that are available today, I mean, are just like I sometimes, you know, I sometimes bore, you know, kids by describing what it was like to go look up a book to try to discover a fact in the old days, the 1970s, 1980s, go to the library and the card catalog and the whole thing. You go through all that work and then the book is checked out and you have to wait two weeks. And like to be in a world not only where you can get the answer to any question, but also the world now, the AI world where you've got like the assistant that will help you do anything, help you teach, learn anything. Like your ability both to learn and also to produce is just like, I don't know, a million fold beyond what it used to be. I have a blog post I've been wanting to write, which I call where are the hyperproductive people.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Compared as to what it was compared to what it used to, I mean, we would today consider full-blown, but like, yes, they're at like, I don't know, a hundred thousandth or something of the intensity of what people had back then. So we live in a world today that in many ways is more advanced and moral and so forth. And it's certainly a lot nicer, much nicer world to live in. But we live in a world that's like very washed out. It's like everything has become very colorless and gray as compared to how people used to experience things, which is, I think, why we're so prone to reach for drama. There's something in us deeply evolved where we want that back.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, because we don't have that. We are ungrounded. We are uncentered and we all feel it, right? And that's why we reach for, you know, it's why we still reach for religion. It's why we reach for people start to take on, you know, let's say a faith in science maybe beyond where they should put it. And by the way, like sports teams are like, you know, they're like a tiny little version of a cult and Apple keynotes are a tiny little version of occult and political, you know. And there's called, you know, there's full blown cults on both sides of the political spectrum right now, right? You know, operating in plain size.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Living in their era, like everybody living today transported in that era would view it as just completely intolerable in terms of the loss of freedom and the level of basically fascist control. However, every single person in that era, and he really stresses this, they knew exactly where they stood. They knew exactly where they belonged. They knew exactly what their purpose was. They know exactly what they needed to do every day. They know exactly why they were doing it. They had total certainty about their place in the universe.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we're still running basically in cults. It's just our cults are at like a thousandth or a millionth the level of intensity, right? And so just to take religions, you know, the modern experience of a Christian in our time, even somebody who considers him a devout Christian, is just a shadow of the level of intensity of somebody who belonged to a religion back in that period. And then, by the way, we have, it goes back to our AI discussion, we then sort of endlessly create new cults. Like we're trying to fill the void, right? And the void is a void of bonding. Okay.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, my conclusion from this book, so the way we naturally think about the world we live in today is we basically have such an improved version of everything that came before us, right? Like we have basically we figured out all these things around morality and ethics and democracy and all these things. And like they were basically stupid and retrograde and were like smart, sophisticated. And we've improved all this. After reading that book, I now believe in many ways the opposite, which is no, actually, we are still running in that original model. We're just running in an incredibly diluted version of it.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Hardcore. By the way, shocking development. I did not realize this zero concept of individual rights. Even up through the Greeks and even in the Romans, they didn't have the concept of individual rights. Like the idea that as an individual, you have some right. It's just like, nope, right? And you look back and you're just like, wow, that's just like. And the theory goes you could not have people running around making claims to individual rights when you're just trying to get like your tribe through the winter, right? Like you need like hardcore command and control. And so and actually what if through modern political lens those cults were basically both fascist and communist. They were fascist in terms of social control and then they were communist in terms of economics”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Developed. And his conclusion was basically cults. They were basically cults. And civilization was organized into cults and the intensity of the cults was like a million fold beyond anything that we would recognize today. Like it was a level of all-encompassing belief and action around religion that was at a level of extremists that we wouldn't even recognize it. And so specifically, he tells the story of basically there were three levels of cults. There was the family cult, the tribal cult, and then the city cult as society scaled up. And then each cult was a joint cult of family gods, which were ancestor gods, and then nature gods. And then you are bonding into a family, a tribe, or a city was based on your adherence to that religion. People who were not of your family tribe, city worship different gods.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so this is a fascinating book. This one's free. It's a free, by the way. It's a book from the 1860s. You can download it or you can buy prints of it. But it was this guy who was a professor at the Sorbonne in the 1860s, and he was apparently a savant on antiquity on Greek and Roman antiquity. And the reason I say that is because his sources are 100% original Greek and Roman sources. So he wrote basically a history of Western civilization from on the order of 4,000 years ago to basically the present times, entirely working on Greek and Roman sources. And what he was specifically trying to do was he was trying to reconstruct from the stories of the Greeks and the Romans. He was trying to reconstruct what life in the West was like before the Greeks and the Romans, which was in the civilization known as the Indo-Europeans. And the short answer is, and this is sort of circa 4000, 2000 BC to sort of 500 BC, kind of that 1,500 year stretch for civilization.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so it's basically, I would say it's an autodidact. So it sort of is going down the rabbit holes. So it's a combination. I kind of allude to it in that quote. It's a combination of breadth and depth. And so I tend to, I go broad by the nature of what I do. I go broad, but then I tend to go deep in a rabbit hole for a while, read everything I can, and then come out of it. And I might not revisit that rabbit hole for another decade.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, you definitely can. Yeah, yeah. Many of the most successful founders are second, third, fourth time founders. They're in their 30s, 40s, 50s. The good news with being an older founder is you know more and you know a lot more about what to do, which is very helpful. The problem is, okay, now you've got like a spouse and a family and kids and like you've kind of go to the baseball game and like you can't go to the base, you know, and so it's.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, look, so it's going to put you in a social tunnel for sure, right? So you're going to, there's this game you can play on Twitter, which is you can do any whiff of the idea that there's basically any such thing as work-life balance and that people should actually work hard and everybody gets mad. But the truth is all the successful founders are working 80-hour weeks and they're working, you know, they form very, very strong social bonds with the people they work with. They tend to lose a lot of friends on the outside or put those friendships on ice. Like that's just the nature of the thing. You know, for most people, that's worth the trade-off. The advantage, you know, maybe younger founders have is maybe they have less, you know, maybe they're not, you know, for example, if they're not married yet or don't have kids yet, that's an easier thing to bite off.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, the best reason is just because you can't tolerate not doing it, right? This is the kind of thing where if you have to be advised into doing it, you probably shouldn't do it. And so it's probably the opposite, which is you just have such a burning sense of this has to be done. I have to do this. I have no choice.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We call it the idea maze because the idea maze basically is like there's all these permutations for any idea there's like all these different permutations who should the customer be what shape forms should the product have and how should we take it to market and all these things and so the really smart founders have thought through all these scenarios by the time they go out to raise money and they have like detailed answers on every one of those fronts because they put so much thought into it the sort of the sort of more haphazard founders haven't thought about any of any of that and it's the detailed ones who tend to do much better”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Or they even experimented on it when they were a kid, and they've been kind of training up over that period of time to be able to do the thing. It sort of sounds like mom and apple pie, which is, yeah, you want to be a domain expert in what you're doing, but the mythology is so strong of like, oh, I just had this idea in the shower, and now I'm doing it's generally not that.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“By the way, it's also far easier to raise money, right? Like the ideal pitch that we receive is here's the thing that works. Would you like to invest in our company or not? Like, that's so much easier than here's 30 slides. With a dream, right? And then we have this concept called the idea maze, which our biology Srinivas came up with when he was with us. So then there's this thing, this goes to mythology, which is, you know, there's a mythology that kind of, you know, these ideas arrive like magic or people kind of stumble into them. It's like eBay with the pest dispensers or something. The reality usually with the big successes is that the founder has been chewing on the problem for five or ten years before they start the company and they often worked on it in school.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, like it's got to work. First product's got to work, by which I mean it has to technically work, but then it has to actually fit into the category and the customer's mind of something that they want. And then, and then by the way, the other part is they have to willing to pay for it. Like somebody's got to pay the bills. And so you've got to figure out how to price it and whether you can actually extract the money. So usually it is much more predictable. Success is never predictable, but it's more predictable if you start with a great idea and then back into starting the company. So this is what we did. Before we had Netscape, the Google guys had the Google search engine working at Stanford. There's tons of examples where they, you know, Pierre Omedier had eBay working before he left his previous job.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would say specific, like specifically what yes, specifics, like what is the, because for the first five years, you don't get to have vision. You just got to build something people want and you got to figure out a way to sell it to them, right? It's very practical, or you never get to big vision.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, I think the other big thing is you see people sometimes who say, I want to start a company, and then they kind of work through the process of coming up with an idea. And generally, those don't work as well as the case where somebody has the idea first, and then they kind of realize that there's an opportunity to build a company, and then they just turn out to be the right kind of person to do that.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you want Well, ideally, what you want is I will go. I would like to go to work for that person. He worked for me here, and now I'd like to work for him. No, unfortunately, most people can't. Their egos can't handle that, so they won't say that. But that's the ideal.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right, so you call it, you know, normally you reference check your tie hiring somebody is you call the bosses and you find out if they were good employees and now you're trying to reference check Steve Jobs, right? And it's like, oh God, he was terrible, you know, he was a terrible employee. He never did what we told him to do.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, that's the thing. It's like it is a level. This is actually one of the conclusions I think it's actually for most of these people on a risk adjusted basis. It's probably an irrational act. They could probably be more financially successful on average if they just got like a real job at a big company. But there's some people just have an irrational need to do something new and build something for themselves. And some people just can't tolerate having bosses. Oh, here's the fun thing is how do you reference check founders?”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I will not come to work for you. I will not leave my cushy job to come work for you. No, I'm not going to buy your product. No, I'm not going to run a story about your company. No, I'm not this, that, the other thing. And so a huge amount of what people have to do is just get used to just getting punched. And the reason people don't understand this is because when you're a founder, you cannot let on that this is happening because it will cause people to think that you're weak and they'll lose faith in you So, you have to pretend that you're having a great time when you're dying inside, right? Just in misery.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“First, two are traits, and the third one is a choice, I think. Courage is a choice. Well, because Courage is a question of pain, tolerance, right? So how many times are you willing to get punched in the face before you quit And here's maybe the biggest thing people don't understand about what it's like to be a startup founder is it gets very romanticized, right? And even when they fail, it still gets romanticized about what a great adventure it was. But the reality of it is most of what happens is people telling you no, and then they usually follow that with you're stupid.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, it makes a great founder is super smart, coupled with super energetic, coupled with super courageous. I think it's some of those three”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so the great thing about the really great founders is they don't take any advice. So if you find yourself listening to advice, maybe you shouldn't do it.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think most of the money I think probably will be in whatever. Yeah, your AI financial advisor or your AI doctor or your AI lawyer or take your pick of whatever the domain is. And what's interesting is the Valley kind of does everything. The entrepreneurs kind of elaborate every possible idea. And so there will be a set of companies that make AI something that can be purchased and used by large law firms. And then there will be other companies that just go direct to market as an AI lawyer.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, the big shift over 20 years has been that tech used to be a tools industry for basically from like 1940 through to about 2010, almost all the big successful companies were pixel companies, so PC database, smartphone, you know, some tool that somebody else would pick up and use. Since 2010, most of the big wins have been in applications. So a company that starts in an existing industry and goes directly to the customer in that industry. And the early examples there were like Uber and Lyft and Airbnb. And then that model is kind of elaborating out. The AI thing is actually a reversion on that for now because most of the AI business right now is actually in cloud provision of AI APIs for other people to build on.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Communist AI, right? Like literal communist AI, right? And so their vision is like that's, you can just imagine like you're a school, you know, you're a kid 10 years from now in Argentina or in Germany or in who knows where, Indonesia. And you ask the AI, I'd explain to you how the economy works and it gives you the most cheery upbeat explanation of Chinese style communism you've ever heard, right? This takes you our like really big.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so good news is they're behind, but bad news is they, let's just say they get access to everything we do. So they're probably a year behind at each point in time, but they get, you know, downloads, I think, of basically all of our work on a regular basis through a variety of means. And they are, you know, we'll see they're at least putting out reports of very, they've just put out a report last week of a GP2 3.5 analog. They put out this report, forget what it's called, but they put out this report of this LN. They did. And the way when OpenAI puts out, one of the ways they test GPT is they run it through standardized exams like the SAT, right? Just how you can kind of gauge how smart it is. And so the Chinese report, they ran their LLM through the Chinese equivalent of the SAT. And it includes a section on Marxism.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, their plan, yeah, yes, yes. And the reason for that is they, and again, they're very public on this, their plan is to proliferate their approach around the world, and they have this program called the Digital Silk Road, right, which is building on their Silk Road investment program. And they've got laying networking infrastructure all over the world with their 5G work with their company, Huawei. And so they've been laying all this fabric, but financial and technological fabric all over the world. And their plan is to roll out their vision of AI on top of that and to have every other country be running their version. And then if you're a country prone to authoritarianism, you're going to find this to be an incredible way to become more authoritarian. If you're a country, by the way, not prone authoritarianism, you're going to have the Chinese Communist Party running your infrastructure and having backdoors into it, right? Which is also not good.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Authoritarian control. So authoritarian population control good old fashioned communist authoritarian control and surveillance and enforcement and social credit scores and all the rest of it. And you are going to be monitored and metered within an inch of everything all the time. And it's going to be basically the end of human freedom. And that's their goal. And they justify it on the basis of that's what leads to peace.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And they have no desire to sign up for whatever rules we decide to put in place. And they're going to do whatever it is they're going to do, and we have no control over it at all. And it's China and specifically the Chinese Communist Party. And they have a completely publicized open plan for what they're going to do with AI. And it is not what we have in mind. And not only do they have that as a vision and a plan for their society, but they also have it as a vision and plan for the rest of the world.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so this is the other thing, which is a lot of the sort of AI risk debates today sort of assume that we're the only game in town, right? And so we have the ability to kind of sit in the United States and criticize ourselves and have our government beat up on our companies and we're figure out a way to restrict what our companies can do. We're going to ban this and ban that, restrict this and do that. And then there's this other force out there that doesn't believe we have any power over them whatsoever.”
2023-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #386 – Marc Andreessen: Future of the Internet, Technology, and AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source