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  1. But it's the same thing as saying everyone's got a podcast now. But I just said it like that. So I left myself open to like that guy, I see the liberals or, you know, they're totalitarian.

    2025-08-24 · Pod Save America · Marc Maron on Brainf*cked Trolls and Liberal Scolds · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. People with researched and respected opinions. So, yeah, look, and I did a joke that was turned inside out by one particular kind of libertarian thinker. I don't even want to give him that. He's a comic. But I said it was better when everybody didn't have a voice. It's a joke. Yeah, it's a joke.

    2025-08-24 · Pod Save America · Marc Maron on Brainf*cked Trolls and Liberal Scolds · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. Hackney tropes of tribal ice comedy is what ultimately happens, and I said this to Howie. And with all the proliferations of podcasts, is that because the production values are shitty and everybody knows them now, and because crowd work is kind of establishes this way of having an improvisational moment, what happens to all this stuff that is really good and truly creative and interesting is that the bar gets lowered to the point where regular people just adapt to the garbage and they don't seek out the other stuff and the sort of outlets that make the other stuff are kind of marginalized. Mainstream show business is kind of marginalized. So all this stuff fits into that anti-elitism kind of frame of right-wing thinking.

    2025-08-24 · Pod Save America · Marc Maron on Brainf*cked Trolls and Liberal Scolds · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  4. Think what happens is once the othering is successful, and I covered in the special that real rights are denied and real lives are at stake because of what comics thought was an anti-woke just was just about their language issue. And now they were used under the sort of auspices of anti-woke, you destroy all the policy that helps people who are vulnerable or marginalized or in trouble. I can't separate them. I will remain committed to the fact that they did that, that comics helped that. But I think in the bigger picture with, say, crowd work or the kind of

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  5. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's the best. I watch that all day. I guess that's it. I watch that all day. Kind of primal fecal thing. Bring it back to crowd work is that they're. All this othering and with all this sort of idea, this is one of their big debate points when you come at them, they accuse liberals of being close-minded. In terms of really embracing other people's point of view. And for me, if that other point of view is shut the fuck up here, yeah

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  6. Inoffensive and really bright and are making it as simple as possible to understand what the real issues are. But I don't know if that's what it takes to get people on board. And then you got Newsom's approach, which is, okay.

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  7. I mean, look, I'm no psychiatrist or psychologist, you know, but in order for someone to define themselves, especially if they're lost or they feel neutered or diminished, if you get the right words into those people, they're going to light up. And if they feel like they have a leader, they're going to light up. And as opposed to like, you know, why don't you like what the Democrats had to say or whatever, I think that is all part and parcel to the demonization of Democrats as not having real policy or not being real men or not speaking to the working class because there's a couple of guys out there and I don't follow as much as I used to but it seems like there's a couple of guys out there that are rational sort of level headed, very wonky democratic politicians that are totally

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  8. Of learning about the daddies are pretty powerful. And these docs that he talks a lot about the daddy hole in these guys. From bad daddies, that void that needs to be filled. And, you know, a lot of megalomaniacal people come from that. Trump comes from that.

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  9. Like, I mean, I have had to on some level believe and accept, not in the way that I surrender to it, that we're currently in an authoritarian country. I have to see it that way in order to exist in my life. I have to frame it like that. I'm not saying that there's not hope, but I do think that what we're up against is something more than a two-party problem.

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  10. Killing it is probably better because that sort of supports the mania element that you have to surrender, but you have to aggressively push it back because you literally have to. Your personality is in conflict with that until it's not.

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  11. But radicalizing in Emotion That the information is fleeting and unfounded, but if it fits your emotional feeling, then just drive it. Yeah. And now it's everywhere. People, the guy in this new documentary in the doomsday cult documentary identifies something about collaborators that may not have seen themselves as being willing collaborators at the beginning, but they go through something called, I think he called it philosophicide, which is where you don't kill yourself, but you kill yourself inside. And if you look at somebody like Mark Rubio or anybody within that administration, in what happens in cult-like behavior is some point after another in order to stay in the game, they kill whatever principles they might have had, even though they were a few.

    2025-08-24 · Pod Save America · Marc Maron on Brainf*cked Trolls and Liberal Scolds · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  12. That enables it. You hear it in people on these mics. And I used to do it. I used to do morning radio. And I knew what it took to get it up to do that for three hours. You're up at three in the morning. You're crunching news. We're doing comedy bits. You're live. So there was a mania to it. And if that mania has a specific ideological thrust that's driven by talking points and basic debate exercises, it's rewarding and it lands and it makes you feel good. Mania makes you feel good.

    2025-08-24 · Pod Save America · Marc Maron on Brainf*cked Trolls and Liberal Scolds · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  13. You're talking about the sort of intensity of what we're taking in on a day to day level creates the mental relationship with the information, creates a kind of mania. I just watched a brilliant documentary this morning. I've watched all this guy stuff. It's a guy he calls himself elephant graveyard on YouTube. And he did, and it specifically focuses on the alignment of politics and comedy. He did one called Comedy Jonestown, How Comedy was destroyed by an anti-reality doomsday cult. And I think that that is a bigger conversation about what you're saying. that the propaganda and the existence of social media platforms and what they can do to the human brain and what they can do to foment a sort of mania.

    2025-08-24 · Pod Save America · Marc Maron on Brainf*cked Trolls and Liberal Scolds · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  14. Think that look anger and the excitement of being validated and having your grievances honored despite any sort of human connection to them. I think it's appealing to angry people and the people that weren't angry were annoyed and they may be untethered. They may not have any real sense of civic responsibility or even the structure of government. They just knew that it felt good to be able to double down on hate and to double down on othering and to double down on bullying. I think most people have an innate bully. I think that empathy is a muscle that you have to work. And at some point the Democrats were okay at that. But I don't think most people are naturally empathetic. I used to think that. But I also think that a lot of this propaganda.

    2025-08-24 · Pod Save America · Marc Maron on Brainf*cked Trolls and Liberal Scolds · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  15. Sure, the apparatus is impossible to fight against. And that's a whole other problem that the left messaging is never going to be as efficient because we don't have an army of frustrated teenage boys who

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  16. And I think the Theo joke at its base is funny. What it implies, you can do whatever you want with that. Sure. It's an easy correlation to Trump or to humanizing fascism. But in and of itself, the impression was good enough. You know, the jokes that I put within him talking were funny. I mean, I'd be hard pressed to think that he didn't think it was funny

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  17. That's sensational. Yeah, our word and the Theovan thing. A couple of the smaller ones did okay out there. But yeah, there's a lot in the special. And, you know, I had to think about what that Theo Van joke would do because there's this idea, there's a talking point within the right-wing tribalized comedy community that any sort of criticism is some sort of jealousy, which it isn't. And I had this issue years ago before this type of stuff. If you're going to be critical through humor of people in your own profession, there's always this sort of stigma to it. But I believe that as somebody becomes a cultural phenomenon and they are part of the cultural apparatus that they're fair game.

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  18. So when you have all that fragmentation, what becomes annoying is people's commitment to their specific cause, as righteous as it may be, it doesn't fit into the umbrella of the community necessarily. It does not have that much significance on its own. I mean, some issues do. It almost becomes, you know, I don't want to use the word virtue signaling, but there is a sort of righteousness. And I get the whole idea is like pick an issue and you work it, but bigger problems abound.

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  19. But that's why it's a joke. But see, and I say it in the special, that in terms of a real organized left, when was the last time we had that? And look, I did Air America. I know what it's like to deal with different factions of the left and even within the Democrats trying to figure out how to platform the left, right? And I know that there is very insulated, very committed groups of people to very specific things that are all part of this big umbrella idea. But there is no unifying policy. There is no unifying community. There is no, it's not as simple in terms of what it's become as what Bernie preaches, the original American left, right?

    2025-08-24 · Pod Save America · Marc Maron on Brainf*cked Trolls and Liberal Scolds · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  20. So that joke, and to answer your question, I think we know what these things are. And I don't know that there's a way around it. I mean, that's going to take some sort of amazing vulnerability and empathy in the face of a completely unsympathetic and terrifying force to make it not annoying. But I mean, I think that's sort of what's at stake.

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  21. But to say, look, I'll do this for you. We're all in the same boat. We all have flaws. There's funny things about us. I don't have any answers for you, but I can give you that kind of relief of sort of taking pokes at who we are. And that joke, and I think it's a problem now too with comics and Comedy, when I do comedy, when I say we annoyed the average American into fascism, that's a joke. But it resonates and it resonates for a reason because I've also lately been exploring the difference between anger and hate. That, you know, anger as a tone in all its spectrum is not always entertaining. And self-righteous anger is about the most intolerable anger. Yeah, and even if you believe what the person is saying, you want them to shut the fuck up.

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  22. That there was a frightened, desperate, angry vibe, which was justified and real and despairing. And so over time of building the material, I realized that that was sort of doing some sort of community service in a real sense that these are liberals, Democrats, Democrat liberals, Democratic liberals, whatever to the left of center that these people were showing up. I don't know their lives. I don't know how long they're sitting at home alone on the phone. I don't know what they're doing. But I did know they were scared and I knew I was in the same boat. So I figured out a way, I made a decision this special to speak directly to them, not just posture as one of us.

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  23. Like, I can kind of identify it. So I see it that way. I see that I would not have been inspired to navigate this joke without, you know, Hicks. So that's that. But in this special, because I started doing it after the election, or maybe a little leading up to it, I found that at the audiences in the theater audiences.

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  24. Yeah. Well, you know, you got to do what you got to do. No, no, it was more like as I get older, I realize what my influences are and I realize what part they play in certain bits.

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  25. The special before that, I did a fairly operatic closing bit with Mike Pence blowing Jesus. Sort of homage to a comic that had an impact on me. In this special, huh?

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  26. I think most of my specials, I speak to politics and culture in a specific way because I think I should. I think it's my responsibility. And over time, especially in this last episode, I figured out a way to what I felt was finessing it because the situation culturally and politically for this special was different than the other ones. And some sort of strange empathy kind of evolved in terms of my presentation. So I'll explain to you. I'll answer the question. But in my last special, like Week to Dark, where I talked about Christian fascism, it was sort of like, I had some swagger to it. I was laying something down. I wasn't really exploring it. It was sort of a heads up in a fairly cocky way in what you would say probably what it looks like as alpha dog.

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  27. Sure, but I mean, but it was like, you know, I know how to have fun. You know, but he was spouting his mouth off in sort of a boomery, shallow, kind of insulated way that I thought was, you know, way off the mark. And so I didn't engage fun mark because it became not fun very quickly and it became serious. And he didn't have much to say.

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  28. Well, I mean, for instance, that there is this notion that, you know, I did a lot of the comedy podcasts, the more broish ones that, you know, I would do or get on, you know, specifically to take them to task. And it really was the farthest thing from my mind. I just wanted to make sure that people who were fans of comedy knew that I had a special out there. You know, no matter what ilk they are. That was really the intention. Because I got into stuff that I've been talking about a long time about the political situation within comedy, that just happened. It wasn't like that was my agenda. I didn't want to talk that shit to how we Mandel. I barely wanted to be on Howie's show.

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  29. Sure, yeah. I don't think I'll do that. I was kind of strategic in what I wanted to do for reasons that I had. Some of them were not the reasons that were sort of Interpreted. I learned recently that people are going to assume they know why you did things or frame why you did things in their particular context. And I know why I did things. And it's very odd to come up against these type of people. Where they're like, you did that because of this. I'm like, I wasn't even thinking that.

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  30. Sure. I mean, yeah, because I can talk probably too much if I'm allowed to. I don't mind it. This is the first time I've done sort of a run of guesting in a long time over the last month or so.

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  31. And I think that in terms of alpha dogging, I get a little dickish. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's not full power play. It's just sort of a defiance. I'm defying you. To bring me down a notch.

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  32. With people in terms of pity laughs, you know, there's an old radio habit. I don't know if people who started in podcasting, but it seems to have, there is a radio laugh that you do out of politeness, and it's instinctual. And I think after a certain point, you may not know the difference between that and a real laugh. But it is an acknowledgement. It's not always pity. It's just saying like, yeah, okay, yeah, you did it. You got to fill the space until we get to the next part. Well, I mean, if it's funny, it's funny, you know, but I think people know when I'm really laughing.

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